quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: Shining son:
quote:Which political trends would those be? Seems to me in the last decade it's been far more likely to be accused of doing so than I recall it actually being done.
You haven't noticed a trend toward greater equal rights for gay people and legitimate marriage for gay couples in most political arenas in the western world?
It is one thing that there is more support for gay rights in the western world and another to have the embodiment of America be gay. I mean some people still have a problem seeing anyone who isn't white as an American.
And I would see the embodiment of the American spirit as not having any particular sexual orientation but emcompassing all sexual orientations.
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I don't know if they are planning a Hawkman for Earth 2. I think that the popularity of a Hawkman-less Hawkgirl on the Justice League cartoon may mean no Earth 2 Hawkman. We do know the gay character is male, so that rules out Hawkgirl.
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Maybe they'll merge two Golden Age characters: The Spectre and the Gay Ghost.
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CMK, Quis beat me to it. My comment was indeed responding to your exact statement, not what was perhaps your more generalized meaning.
I don't recall any such symbol portrayed as gay, with the possible exception of Rawhide Kid, who as a cowboy could reasonably fit as representational of the American spirit.
But certain insane elements of society have claimed several characters as secretly gay, if not all American, such as Tinky-Winky the Teletubbie just for being purple and carrying a magic bag that looks like a purse.
And of course it happened decades ago too, with Dr. Wertham accusing Batman of pederasty.
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quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq: I don't know if they are planning a Hawkman for Earth 2. I think that the popularity of a Hawkman-less Hawkgirl on the Justice League cartoon may mean no Earth 2 Hawkman. We do know the gay character is male, so that rules out Hawkgirl.
Yeah, forgot about the male thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq: Dr. Wrentham was right!
If he was really Doc "Wrentham," it would help explain his fascination with flying creatures.
Also, on the left of that last link there's an ad for "Quilting Queens" or something. You've gotta' love the internet...
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More and more, it's looking like Alan Scott. And from the get-go, a lot of people (like Quis) were guessing he'd be the one. Make me wonder:
- why was he the first to come to mind? I ask that because A LOT of people guessed Alan Scott. Is it because Obsidion no longer exists, therefore DC lost a well known gay character, and therefore having his father assume that role fits?
- when can we start joking about his weakness to wood?
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quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: - when can we start joking about his weakness to wood?
Oh, it's never too soon!
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quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: - why was he the first to come to mind?
Because, as the E2 GL rather than one of the main guys, he's not in the main [real] DCU, and so is "safe" just like how Marvel feel able to have a black Spider-Man in the zombie-like Ultimate U?
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quote:But certain insane elements of society have claimed several characters as secretly gay, if not all American, such as Tinky-Winky the Teletubbie just for being purple and carrying a magic bag that looks like a purse
Yes, and how are those elements of society regarded these days?
And especially amongst comics creators, who have hitched themselves to the gay-rights bandwagon en masse for years already?
I think that these creators would see civil rights as an American value, and a gay man, gays being the currently trendy civil-rights cause, as the ultimate expression of that value.
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quote:But certain insane elements of society have claimed several characters as secretly gay, if not all American, such as Tinky-Winky the Teletubbie just for being purple and carrying a magic bag that looks like a purse
Yes, and how are those elements of society regarded these days?.
As way too normal by a certain voter base and specific radio assholes, from what I see.
It sounds as if you're intimating that they've viewed as loons, but I see way too many voices in agreement with the loons. And not enough voices pointing out the lunacy. The Birthers are still going at it, and even Senators are still outspoken among them, so if you're trying to imply America is in any way more rational than before, we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave the politics out of this thread. (Oops, too late.) Things may be hopeful statistically, but there's still way too many squeaky wheels for DC to do these things casually and without great deliberation over expected benefit vs fallout.
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: And especially amongst comics creators, who have hitched themselves to the gay-rights bandwagon en masse for years already?
I think that these creators would see civil rights as an American value, and a gay man, gays being the currently trendy civil-rights cause, as the ultimate expression of that value.
There's a big difference between how the creators see values and how much backlash the publisher is willing to deal with. Making a seriously popular hero (aka a valuable property) gay is a financial risk and this is a business, first and foremost, so I don't think their values have the last word.
(There's also some pretty rabidly antigay creators out there, who fortunately also don't get to toss their values into stories willy nilly.)
I just don't see DC making, say, Superman gay unless they simultaneously HAMMER HOME WITH GREAT EMPHASIS that this is but ONE Superman on MANY MANY EARTHS, and even then they'd be dealing with the Million Moms.
If DC wants to take that stand, bless them. But I'll believe it when I see it.
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