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Well, the two actors missing in the credits had a send off last season.

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
It was awesome!

I think it did a great job of establishing the notion that this season is about the Others, in the same way that last season's opener established that it was going to be about the Hatch, and giving just enough of a glimpse of them to whet our appetites.

The most interesting bit was "Let it go" coming through the supposedly dead speaker. I'd guess that's connected to the whispers in some way, which may have nothing to do with the Others at all, assuming that Juliet didn't actually know anything about the voice.

I'm curious about Rousseau's inability to find the Others as well, given that they apparently have a little suburb right in the middle of the island.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
The opening scene where "Henry" (?) gives the orders to Ethan and whatshisface to go infiltrate the castaways--SO creepy to get that kind of flashback. Watching the clip show last week reminded me how much more we know about the day the plane crashed now than we did first season.

With all the messing about with our heroes' heads, suddenly we're veering much more closely to "Magus" territory. I'm not sure how much patience I'll have for prison drama. And haven't these people figured out yet that EVERYONE and EVERYTHING seems to have been put into place to f*** with them? If I were Sawyer or Jack et al, I'd have to start considering putting bullets into people just to upset their "game." They've got to realize at some point that they're rats in a maze. I would really like them to turn the tables on the Others by the end of this season. It would be immensely satisfying.

I hope we get to see what's going on with everyone else next week--I know Jack, Sawyer, and Kate are now the Lost Holy Trinity, but the other characters are more likable.
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
That was creepy with Henry 'Ben' whatever.
It was nice to see Ethan and Goodwin and that no character in Lost is ever truly dead.

So is Mr Smiley - Kate's handler- supposed to be gay now. He did tell Kate 'Your not my type.' That's a gay line right there.

It seems 'Othersville' is a 'The Prisoner' type place.

We do get alot of answers of the stations, and where the bear and the shark came from. And we are right about the 3 facations on the island.

The Losties, the others and Dharama.

Can't wait for next week!
 

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Originally posted by rtvu2:
So is Mr Smiley - Kate's handler- supposed to be gay now. He did tell Kate 'Your not my type.' That's a gay line right there.

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You know... it might explain the whole "Deliverance costumes" thing as well.
 

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Posted by LARDLAD on :
 
Damn...forgot to record it!!!

But rtvu2 is right...Henry/Ben/whoever is mega-creepy! It's those eyes! Brrr!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
You can watch the episode on abc.com! That's what I did!
 

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Originally posted by LARDLAD:
But rtvu2 is right...Henry/Ben/whoever is mega-creepy! It's those eyes! Brrr!

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
And y'know, as much as Jack blames himself for his dad falling off the wagon, his ex could've spared everyone a lot of grief if she'd just *told Jack the guy's name!!*

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Originally posted by He Who Wanders:
Yes, but that misses the point that it wasn't Jack's business.

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Originally posted by LARDLAD:
Thanks for the tip, EDE--I just watched the ep on ABC.com!

Pretty groovy, huh? I've missed a lot of "Lost", so I'm far from an expert. So what did happen with Ethan and the "other guy"?

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LARDY--

Long story short, Ethan and the other guy (can't remember his name at the moment) mingled with the survivors of the plane crash (as the fuselage and tail wound up on different parts of the island). They gathered intel on the castaways and reported it back to Ben and "the Others". Ethan kidnapped Claire because the Others thought the baby she was about to have was special. Both were eventually revealed as being outsiders and they were both killed.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I've been thinking a lot about how Jack was flipping out about the Others (as opposed to his flipping out about his wife, which is something else entirely), and then I suddenly recalled what Jack might be thinking of:

- the killed one of the survivors early on
- they hung Charlie from a tree and left him to die
- they kidnapped a pregnant girl (Claire)
- they kidnapped a young boy (Walt)
- they blackmailed one of the most reliable survivors into betraying them and killing two of their own
- and thus are responsible for two more deaths (Ana Lucia and Libby)
- they generally have screwed with them from the beginning

It reminded me of Said's speech to Charlie in Season two explaining why he was willing to torture Henry Gale/Ben. With all that in context, I'd pretty much be ready to kill all the Others too at this point. Its easy to forget that sometimes when I'm watching the show thinking "try and get some answers Jack!"

And it looks like we'll see Sun, Jin and Said next episode, but I'm really dying to see Locke and Eko!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
They won't be back until the third episode, I'm afraid. The second episode was supposed to be Locke-centric, but someone changed the order at the last minute.

I loved this episode, even though I can't watch it again because I screwed up the recording time. (On dial-up I can't watch it on ABC.com, either. )

I'm most worried about Kate. Something had to happen to scrape her wrists up like that. (I heard someplace that they had to cut 20 minutes out of the ep, so who knows what we've missed.) Some people are saying that the needle mark on her arm looks infected and are wondering if she has, or if the Others are telling her she has, the "sickness" the french lady's always talking about. The Others burned her clothes, too. They didn't do that to Jack and Sawyer.

I really enjoyed the interaction between Jack and Juliet this ep. He finally seems to have chemistry with a lady. Third time's a charm, I guess. I liked him a lot more in this episode, too. I think it's because I finally feel that the writers are willing to take risks with his character.
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
I really enjoyed the interaction between Jack and Juliet this ep. He finally seems to have chemistry with a lady.

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I hadn't really thought about it, but you're right. I think it might be the fact that between Kate, his ex-wife and Ana this is the first time Jack is actually vulnerable - where he's not so in charge. It allows for more back and forth and and actual effort to relate where before Jack never had to be a little powerless (or they're just breaking him down -- it's a fine line...)
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Just saw the new ep. Wow. Sun. Wow. It's still sinking in. And it looks like the love triangle is going the way of the dodo at last.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
All right, so is there anybody left in this show who hasn't killed somebody? At the moment I can only think of Locke, Claire, Rose and Bernard. And maybe Jin. Wait, what about Charlie? Has he killed anybody?
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Sun still hasn't killed anyone. She shoot someone. We don't know if she is dead dead yet.

One thing that bothered me though. What's up with Sun's dad eyes? One always seemed off kilter to me.

And I still think that Kate is playing Swayer somehow. Maybe her own offer to go home?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
For Kate going home whould mean going to jail, so I don't think it could be that simple. I think they're more likely to be threatening her to get her to do something from them.

Sun really is Daddy's little girl, isn't she?
 

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Posted by LARDLAD on :
 
Having missed most of the first two seasons, I was wondering how much of Sun's and Jin's history hadbeen revealed before. Was this a first time reveal of the affair (and possible/probable baby paternity problem) and the shady nature of Sun's pop? What kind of details had been revealed on them in the past?
 

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Originally posted by Doctor One:
All right, so is there anybody left in this show who hasn't killed somebody? At the moment I can only think of Locke, Claire, Rose and Bernard. And maybe Jin. Wait, what about Charlie? Has he killed anybody?

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Charlie killed Ethan, who had abducted Claire and had returned to get her again.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I think besides Rose and Bernard, Locke might be the only one who hasn't killed anyone. But I feel like he most likely has that we just don't know about, given the nature of Locke's past.

Wow, what an episode! Another very strong start to Season Three! Thoughts:

- Kate and Sawyer - great scenes! Really nice to see and the chemistry between them is stronger than ever.

- Jack seeing what's been happening in the real world - another powerful scene. You can really see Jack's reaction and how this completely changes everything he's thought about so far. Leaving it up to us per what's going on his head (right now at least) is well-done too. I know he must be conflicted.

- Ben Linus (Henry Gale) remains ultra-creepy and full of mystery. I really hope we get an episode for *his* story, like we did Desmond. Especially the 'I've lived on this island my whole life'.

- The Other's main female (forget her name, but I think its obvious she's up there in psuedo-rank) is also very interesting. Sawyer saying she would have definately killed Kate makes her even more so.

- Jin and Sun are still two of my favorites. I agree Al, Sun really *is* Daddy's little girl! The whole theme of being honest and how despite how far their relationship has been mended and moved forward since their time on the island, Sun (and Jin) still needs to go one step further in regards to being honest.

- Sayid was prominent in the episode, but down-played. That's alright though, because he's still in kick-ass Sayid mode, and there isn't one of us I bet for one second that didn't realize he was ready to spring a trap.

- Also: Desmond next episode!! I couldn't believe it! I thought for sure he was dead after last season but am thrilled he's not. I *really* like this character. I think him, Locke and Eko are the three most interesting of the whole bunch and I can't wait to see their story. I get the feeling that while the Others are the central theme/plot of Season Three, the mystery of the island itself will continue to be revealed via Locke/Eko/Desmond (and Charlie and others too, but their role in the stories is usually different). I can't wait for next week to see them all.

What are the chances of the Lost team giving the fans a treat and revealing a big secret early on? I'm hoping for a complete explanation (well, as complete as Lost ever gives ) on the monster by the mid-point of the season.

These early ones are so good that I'm already dying for Season Three's DVD, so I can watch five episodes at a clip
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Cobie, the lethal lady is Juliet. She is definitely giving me an eerie feeling. She's all nice to Jack, but she's hiding something. And her face off with Ben is too intense. She is going to be big this season.

Speaking of Ben... he and Jack have that whole control issue thing going don't they? And sorry, but video footage can be faked. There's no way I would believe the Red Sox won the Series without having actually seen it.

Sayid is awesome. This guy has been a favourite from the beginning, and this episode showed why. Loyal, fierce, sneaky, good. He is the best at what he does.

Finally Sun and Jin- well mostly Sun. The most fascinating character on the show. Watching her go from quiet and demure, to strong and determined, to sad and alone, to scared and deadly has been the most entertaining for me. I'm curious to know if she knows how her lover died.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
As for the future... it seems I won't get Eko without him playing off Locke. Ah well, I survived Locke in Philosophy class, I can survive him here too.
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
For Kate going home whould mean going to jail, so I don't think it could be that simple. I think they're more likely to be threatening her to get her to do something from them.

Sun really is Daddy's little girl, isn't she?

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True, but the Others have deeper connections then we have been lead to believe. For me, it wouldn't be a stretch for them to offer Kate a way home and a new identity.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Favorite line of the episode: "How dare you!"
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
For me it was: "You taste like fish biscuit."
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
LOVED Sawyer kicking ass and taking the measure of the Others. Surely he would not be so stupid as to think that he was not being observed and the conversations being recorded.

I go back and forth on the Others. Are they really so prone to violence? They did seem a bit shocked that some of their own had been killed. You also have to assume that much of what they're doing is calculated. The pointless moving of stones (another useless task, a la the computer OR the observation cameras), the belligerance, the whole messing around with Jack, the fish biscuit, all MUST be planned.

Juliet is definitely dangerous. I may be more scared of her than Ben.

If Kate tastes like strawberries after a day in the hot sun moving rocks with no water, she's worth everything Sawyer and Jack have gone through.

I'm starting to wonder if any of the survivors is a plant--namely Kate. Some of her actions are starting to look a little fishy. Where was she for the missing time? Why the wrist wounds?

The knowledge of Sawyer's real name indicates that the Others know about the survivor's lives before the crash. Not all of their information was gotten from the guys who were planted. Does that mean that they really do have contact with the outside world?

For some reason, the time lag between when the show is happening and now bothers me.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Presumably Kate's wrist injuries are merely the result of the too-tight handcuffs Ben made her wear in episode 1.

It becomes more clear that, like Rose and Bernard, Locke and Eko, Jin and Sun probably BELONG on the island. Sun is pregnant (whether from Jin or not, stay tuned). More importantly, it is the only place on earth where they can hide from Sun's father. And, it's a natural place for Jin, the fisherman's boy, to feel worthwhile.

The Other ARE fascinating, aren't they? They always proclaim, "we're the good guys," and yet they torture, kill, mislead, abduct, experiment, etc. Kind of like Bush saying he's a good guy in Iraq. Maybe that is what the producers are going for. If these are the good guys, who the hell are the bad guys?
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I just read the Entertainment Weekly Season 3 round up--lots of good information. It also brought up the question of Sun's baby. I guess I just naively assumed that it was another island miracle a la Locke's legs. Did we know before this week's ep that Sun had actually slept with her "English teacher?"

No, the Others certainly don't behave like the good guys--but neither, for the most part, do our heroes. There certainly has been a lot of killing on both sides, but the ultimate responsibility has to lie with the Others--they started it!
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
We haven't seen Sun sleep with her tutor before now. Last we saw, she and Jin were trying to conceive. They had been tested at a fertility clinic, where we were told Jin was packing, but that Sun was unable to carry a child. There was a pregnancy test on the plane, so someone was wondering (viewers were led to believe it was Sun.)

I'm wondering if the Others have taken an isolationist stand. With Rousseau's comments about a "sickness" and the island's knack for healing people, combined with the mention of quarrantine here and there, it could be a consciuos decision to remove themselves from the outside world.

Maybe the island has become a Molokai of sorts...
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
That whole "sickness" plot point has kind of fallen by the wayside, eh? How DOES Rousseau fit into all of this? How could she have been on the island this long and not have a much better idea of what's going on? Why haven't the Others gone after her like they have the Losties? Come to think of it, it was she that brought Ben to their attention, and since there's no way that Ben would have been so stupid as to allow himself to get caught, I think I'm forced to assume that Rousseau is in leauge with the Others.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I'm thinking we're going to have to see a Rousseau flashback at some point in order to explain how she fits into everything. I think it's quite mysterious that she never found Othersville in the sixteen years she's been on the island, but I don't think that she's in league with them. I'm thinking she must have at least had contact with previous hatch-dwellers to know about the security system and such. Her daughter is shaping up to be a really interesting character, though.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
It's also interesting that they didn't seem to know about the boat. Desmond's hatch partner fixed the baby up - was he trying to leave the Others and didn't even let them in on it? Or did they just not know that Desmond took it and ended up coming back?

And if Walt's off the show, they better still explain his role in all this - he seemed pretty important there for awhile (unless they plan on using him to introduce an *off-island* component/storyline to the show?)
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Great points about Rousseau and the Desmond's boat. To avoid concluding the writers have screwed up, we would have to suppose the following:

1) The Others really weren't paying attention to Locke's hatch. If they HAD been paying attention, they would have seen what's-his-name sneaking off all time to work on Desmond's boat.

2) Maybe you can't reach Othersville on foot unless you know the secret? The others seemed most concerned that it WAS reachable by boat, implying they have some sort of land-based camoflage/defense.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, I think the Others = the Hostiles that Kelvin referred to, implying that they weren't really on good terms.

I don't think that the Others = Dharma, but rather test subjects or prisoners of Dharma that rebelled or something, whereas the Hatch people seem to be the actual remnants of Dharma. There's also the interesting question of who exactly was using the Pearl station, since there was a burning cigarette there when Locke and Eko visited it.

The not-reachable-by-land theory seems plausible.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
There was a burning cigarette? I totaly missed that. I agree, this isn't all being done by one group, but I'm not sure yet which group is Dharma.

Okay, I need some help. I'm doubting my sanity. Well, more than usual, I mean. Anyway, there's this spoiler:

Click Here For A Spoiler Basically, Kate's finally going to choose which guy she wants, Sawyer or Jack, within the first six episodes. Yesterday, a spoiler reporter (Kristen from EOnline) said that it's obvious from what we already know who Kate was going to choose.

I thought that was great because I knew who I thought the obvious choice was (Sawyer), but fans on the other side of the debabte think their side is the obvious. So I'm asking you guys because I know this isn't a major issue to you. Is it as obvious as Kirsten thinks? If so, which side's in denial?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I think she'll ultimately choose Sawyer, but I can't really see her actually making a full-fledged decision/committment to anyone for at least some time (i.e. if she does choose Sawyer, you can bet we'll see them go for long periods of time where they're fighting, not seeing eye to eye, 'running' from their pasts and thus each others, etc.).

I also think Other do not = Dharma, but Kelvin's hostiles do.

Also loving Rosseau's daughter and looking forward to seeing more of her role here.

I think the sudden reappearance of Walt and Michael (especially if off the island) would be a hella-kewl mid-season moment.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Actually, from what TPTB have been saying for weeks now Click Here For A SpoilerKate's definitely choosing by episode 6. They're also saying that Juliet is likely a new love interest for Jack. So Sawyer seems like the obvious choice, but like I said, some are disagreeing.

I agree that any relationship between Kate and Sawyer will be rocky to put it mildly, but that's what makes it interesting.

I think it might be Penelope that shows up mid-season. I'm not sure I like that idea, though. Some think the mid-season shock will be Jack joining the Others. That could be fasinating, I think.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
According to the latest Lost Podcast

Click Here For A SpoilerThe focus will shift to a new love triangle this season, which will be Claire, Charlie, and someone else!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Click Here For A SpoilerYeah, because that's just what this show needs - another love triangle. LOL I am so sick of love triangles at the moment. Still, it'll be interesting to so who the other guy/girl is. I hope it's not Desmond after the way they set up his relationship with Penny. Then again he is supposed to be naked tomorrow night. Maybe Claire gets a peek and can't resist.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I think that ol' devil Locke will start making moves on Rose!

(I kid, I kid )
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Click Here For A Spoilerthoughts:
Great, great, great episode! Another great one!

Time Travel? It begs one to question it, especially given this show's sci-fi aspects. Whatever the case, Desmond still fascinates me--a very welcome addition to this show.

Glad to see Hurley mixed up in his mystery.

Charlie had some good welcome scenes.

Locke was awesome as usual (my favorite character). His story has moved forward now and he's 'reclaiming himself' after his crisis of conscience last season and stepping up to be a leader. I can't wait to see more.

The Polar Boy mystery (not really a mystery per se anymore) was revisited. I'd have liked to see more but I trust we will eventually...one day .

Can't wait for more Eko and Claire.

Two new people had actual lines? If they names that makes them potential murder victims this season

Seeing Boone was awesome. I feel like Shannon won't be coming back anytime soon (indeed, her exit from the show made it seem like it had more to do 'off screen' with the producers than anything). So its great that Boone is so tied to Locke's story that they can have him revisit Locke in a scene like that. I thought it was a great scene, very well done. Very eerie.

So right now Locke, Hurley, Claire and Walt are the only ones who haven't killed anyone? (Maybe Sun, we don't know yet). I wonder if that ties directly to Locke's ability to 'commune' with the island? Just like Hurley could 'commune' with the numbers, Walt had abilities and Claire had the baby (which remains mysterious in its eventually ending up on the island). A far-fetched idea, but something that could mean something...

All in all, another fantastic episode. And the next episode looks hella-intense.
 

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Do we need spoilers now that the episode has aired?

Click Here For A SpoilerI'm not sure what you meant by time travel. i think Desmond's having premontions.
Those two new guys are definitely joining the cast. They won't be killed too quickly, I think, because there was a lot of fuss made about the casting. Apparently, the guy is a major star in Brazil.

One more comment with spoilers for future eps: Click Here For A SpoilerIt looks like Shannon will be in someone's flashbacks later this season.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I thought this week was pretty cool, with the kind of return-to-the-hunter storyline going on with Locke, and also a little background on where the hunter/backwoods mystic persona came from in the first place.

Desmond became my favorite character with last season's finale, so it was nice to see him back, and I'm definitely interested in the developments with him.

Hopefully Eko will be back up and kicking butt before too long.

It looks like we may have found out what happened to the last inhabitants of the Pearl. Though the oddest thing in the bear cave was the toy truck.

The Locke/Charlie relationship was interesting to explore. It's interesting to think that Charlie and Boone were both kind of "disciples" of Locke at points during the first season, and it could very easily have been Charlie who was "sacrificed" to the island rather than Boone.
 

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Arachne - for the Time Travel thing, that's *kinda* tongue in cheek, though Desmond waking up naked (a la the Terminators after they time travel) kind of gave me that thought, only to be backed up by Desmond's knowing about Locke's speech. I agree that premonitions or something is more likely though

I'm still really pumped from the last episode. I can't wait to see what Locke, Eko and crew do next!
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Didn't really give us a conclusion to that Locke flashback, did they? At least we now know that Locke used to burn fatties...

I felt like the sneak peek at next week suggested that Kate loves Sawyer. All of the plot developments this season and at the end of last season suggested Sawyer. I'm starting to like them as a couple more anyway. I agree with no more love triangles. I'm sorry, but I'm not watching this show for romantic shenanigans. Bah humbug.

I'm not getting the polar bear. This show is too smart to ignore the fact that a polar bear couldn't survive very long in a tropical environment, and dragging a living human being deep into a cave is not normal polar bear behavior. Something else is going on.

I'm not too sorry to see the hatch go. It's served it's purpose, although my wife lamented "No more showers for them."

My lovely wife and I also agree that the "imprisoned and tortured" thing needs to play out quickly. I'm not sure I'm down with prison drama.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I would guess the whole "imprisoned" thing will only last through the duration of the (now half over) mini-season.

It wouldn't surprise me if the polar bear has actually been genetically modified in some way, in order to increase both its adaptibility to enviromental conditions and its agression.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
The "Who will Kate choose?" question always seemed academic and not very interesting to me, because "Sawyer" is SOOO pathologically incapable of a normal, loving relationship. So, is Jack, for that matter. So is Kate, now that I think about it. Oh, so who cares?!?!?
 

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LOL You'd be surprised, doublechinner. Lost-forum moderators are on constant watch to prevent ship wars from breaking out. The Jater slogan is "Jate is Fate", and they really believe it. I've been involved with internet fandoms for over ten years and I've never seen anything like it. I agree that there's much more to the show than romance. If there wasn't I'd have given it up months ago.

I don't want the imprisonment last much longer, either. I think we're probably stuck with it till the sixth episode, though. Sawyer getting tortured again is overkill. Let's see he's been punched, tortured, stabbed, shot, kicked around, tossed in a pit, shot again, stun gunned, beaten some more, stunned again. I know he's got some major bad karma, but it's someone elses turn.

I'm facinated by the cave. I want to know who's truck that was. Someone suggested it was the bear's. I'm not sure that's a joke; the bears were being tested for intelligence. I also wonder how far that cave goes. It looked huge. I hope it's explored further. (And I hope Kate gets out in time to do some of the exploring.

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Yet another thread I must avoid. I need a week off work to catch up on my shows!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I can't wait for the next ep. From what I've heard there's supposed to be a major revelation, and I'm not talking about anyone's love life.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
One more day! You know that a show's gotten under your skin when a day of the week becomes "Lost" day like Tuesday used to be "Buffy" day and Thursday used to be "Cheers" night.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
22 and a half hours to go! (Canadians get it an hour early. )
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Between new comic books and LOST, my Wednesday is damn near perfect!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I won't get to watch it until Thursday morning!
 

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Aww, poor EDE.

I thought the episode was really good, but I read to many spoilers this time, it kind of ruined some of the impact.

Click Here For A SpoilerI was really hoping they'd kill the triangle this ep. I guess they're going to drag it out till the 6th ep.
 

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I've been trying to go easy on the spoilers this year, which has been working fairly well so far. Nice to see J.J. Abrams working in another "Felicity" alumnus, Ian Gomez.

Click Here For A SpoilerSo, Sawyer's a daddy. Interesting. He's such a big grumpy softy. Sounds like the Others' communications are cut off after the magnetic whatsit happened. Desmond continues to be charming but wierd.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Sorry you were spoiled, Arachne. It was one of the best episodes of the run. It was all about the Three (Four?) We did get a few bits with Charlie and Desmond and the rest.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I'm definitely going to be more careful about the spoilers from here on in.

Click Here For A Spoiler I'm not sure what I think of Sawyer being a dad. I don't see where they're going with it. It doesn't feel resolved, though, so it could come up again, but I don't see how without the kid showing up on the island. Which wouldn't be good, imo. Maybe Cassidy was conning him.

The scene where Kate's changing was hillarious. Poor Sawyer.

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Click Here For A Spoiler I thought it was another great episode.

Sawyer and Kate's chemistry remains fiery! The scene where Kate answered yes to the questions about loving Sawyer showed a depth to her acting that impressed me!

And Jack and Juliet had some great chemistry too this ep.

Couldn't help but feel that Sawyer was being conned by the 'mother of his child'. I feel like we'll see more of this.

Desmond is still one of my favorites. And it looks like the Brazilian actor is starting to get some screen time. I wonder if part of his story will be "What the heck has he been doing these first 71 days?".

Next episode looks hella-crazy! Lots of cool stuff in the previews!
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Well, we were right about the zoo being accessible by boat, but not land (it's on a small separate island), but that doesn't explain why Rousseau has never found the relatively palatial Othersville, which is clearly on the main island.

Did they mention a sub when they were talking about Coleen's medical emergency? I guess they would have to have something like that.

So Benjamin has an advanced spinal tumor (a not very common cancer, at all) and one of the plane crash survivors just happens to be an ace spine surgeon? Gee, what a coincidence.

My earlier predictions were abolutely on target. Neither Kate nor Sawyer can genuinely admit feelings for the other. Although, it is very clear that Sawyer really does care about his "Freckles." Who was Sawyer's baby's momma? There have been enough con flash backs that I can't remember which one she is.

Sawyer really is quite clever, screwing over Ian Gomez (one of my favorite actors) to both get out of jail and provide for a little girl who may be his daughter, without actually having to make an emotional commitment or connection. One of the (few) things I like about the Sawyer character is his almost honesty about the limits of his emotional commitments. Of course, up until the Island, he could blame this on his chosen profession. Now, he's having to decide who, if anyone he's going to con in the future.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
We don't know that Ben is the one with the spine tumor, do we?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
That was *definitely* a great episode!

So, the purple skies shorted out the Others' communications. I wonder if it's why the box in Jack's cell is suddenly working? And does that imply that Jack's father is really still alive?
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I'm having trouble with the idea that none of the three seems to be catching on at this point to the fact that EVERYTHING the Others are doing is manipulative. Box comes on in your prison cell? Manipulation. Can get out of your cage? Manipulation. Pacemaker? Manipulation. Tumor on the spine? Manipulation (the x-rays just happened to be there? I don't buy it. The Others are way too careful about what they reveal). I find myself wanting any of the Losties just to lash out and do something horribly violent just to startle the Others out of their smugness. I just about cheered when Sun shot the blond woman.

Re: Ben's quote about "not being killers:" Is that exactly true? Haven't several of the Others committed violent and murderous acts?

I don't buy Kate's retraction at all. She loves Sawyer.

"I don't care about making you feel better." Amen, brother.

More seeing the future from our Scottish friend? Cool. I wish there'd been more from the beach and less punching Sawyer. I'm even more over the prison scenario this week than I was last week.

So who the heck is the guy in the eye patch on the monitor in next week's preview? Johnny Depp will be next...
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... the producers did mention on a recent Podcast that Pirates of the Caribbean was filming across from their office... may it's a cameo?

Re: the Others not being killers, they certainly planned to kill Claire to get her baby, and, assuming it was Ethan that hung Charlie, that seems like a violent act. Oh, and Goodwin snapped Nathan's neck. And, of course, Pickett was threatening to kill Sawyer this very episode.

And Paulo gets kind of interesting this episode, with his comment about other survivors going out in the jungle to get killed. I think that he's going to be used to show more of the point of view of those characters who haven't been risking themselves like the main group have.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yeah, I think so, too. I think that could be interesting.

The Canadian promo wrecked things for me. That "the only way to earn a conman's respect is to con him" line really spoiled the episode. The bit about showing Sawyer something didn't help, either.

There was no Canadian promo this week, and I'm glad of that now. I didn't see the American one, but I remember reading something about an Other with one eye. And Eko found a glass eye in the hatch on the other side of the island. (With the rest of the orientation tape.)

EDE, Ethan killed Scott (or Steve), too.

Doublechinner, the baby's "mom" was Cassidy, the lady Sawyer conned in his last flashback. Good for her for getting him arrested. I hope she's conning him, too. It'd serve him right, and I think it would fit better with the overall story. Almost all the Losties have severed thier ties to the real world, giving Sawyer a new one doesn't fit quite right.

Kate was good this ep. I still want to see her kick some serious ass, though. Choosing not to run for once was very cool, though.

[ October 26, 2006, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:

EDE, Ethan killed Scott (or Steve), too.

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Yeah, when I posted that I couldn't remember if it was clear that he'd actually been killed by Ethan or not, but I guess it is, since Ethan threatened to kill one of them per night, and Scott seems to have been the one.

Hmm... seem like we now know how the Others were able to approach by water that night as well.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yep. That's the one part I'm glad I was spoiled about, because I don't think I'd have heard it if I wasn't expecting it.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I posted this theory over on Lost-Forums, but I thought I might as well put it here, too. There's been a lot of talk about what the Others want Sawyer and Kate for. One theory is that they want them to mate, which is seriously creepy, but adding a fertility doctor to the cast isn't making that any less likely. I hate the idea, so I came up with something different.

We know some of the Losties have precognitive powers (most obviously Desmond in this ep), what if the Others do, too?

I know that when the Others told Michael which Losties they wanted to seemed like a big coincidence that those four just happened to be the ones in the hatch after the shooting, but maybe it wasn't. Maybe the Others foresaw that if those four came to them, things would work out the way they wanted, but if there was a change, say Sayid going instead of Hurley, things wouldn't work out.

Maybe something's going to happen that will be affected by whether or not Sawyer and Kate admit their feelings for each other. If that's the case though, Skate may not be in the Losties favour. Which would no doubt cause major complications and angst for everyone.

I hope that made sense. I think that theory is better than another pregnancy, anyway.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I don't think it's that they want them to mate, as one would think if that were the case Juliet would be taking a much more direct interest in them.

I'm guessing they need Sawyer for something in particular, and Kate is there as leverage. I've seen theories that he's there to donate blood for the operation or something, but that seems improbable unless they knew his blood type ahead of time.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
They might know it; we don't know what information they have. Whatever they want, I hope we find out soon.
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Mind games. All of them.

I didn't see that coming. Click Here For A SpoilerRIP.

Next week looks great!
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby -- they were all members of the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League, right? Then it all makes sense. The evil force behind the Others is none other than -- Dan DiDio!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
LOL Bernard's still around.

It's a good ep. I'll need to watch it again to get my head around it.

The US promo is causing chaos in the ship forums.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I thought it was a really great ep, with lots of great character moments and mystery. Good scenes with Jack & the Others, and it was cool to see Locke's way of leading as opposed to Jack's old way.

Can't help but feel one of the 2 new characters has an intricate story that shows they are far more than they appear to be (and I don't think it'll be one of the Others--actual Dharma?). Wondering what they've been doing all this time will be interesting.

Click Here For A SpoilerBut man, it sucks to see Mr. Eko go! He turned into one of my faves last season, and I was hoping all episode it wasn't him. Despite this season being really awesome so far, I can't help but not like this at all. It feels like w/Eko's death the whole 'other passengers in the tail' thing feels a little wasted now that all are dead. He had such great chemistry with Locke and Charlie too. But they did give us some really awesome flashback sequences with him, including problem the most bad-ass moment of the entire series so far when he attacks them back in the Church.

And the Monster appears to finally be getting delved into more. Is it what people are seeing when they see the ghosts on the island? As a 'security system' perhaps it can tap into the Losties thoughts? (i.e. going a step further and being Hurley's other supposed personality as well).

I'll follow Vu: RIP Eko. What a cool character you were.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Manomanomanomanomanoman!

There was some intensity this episode, in the backstory and the present time. There's no slow developments this season- we're getting a lot of Others action. Juliet's bonding with Jack seems a little too sudden tho'.

Locke's rather casual demanor with the rest of the survivors didn't seem right either. He's always been sort of an independent guy. He's comments with Hurley about how he leads being different than Jack couldn't be a toss away.

Eko had his moments here didn't he. He showed a lot of range, from repentent to violent to unapologetic. There's a certain amount of rationale to his "confession" with which I can agree.

And then we have the newbies. I still don't know either name, just Brazlian Boy and Blonde Babe. But with their recent addition, and this week's subtraction, Locke's comment to Hurley, and next week's tease, I'm thinking we're done with the Trinity (at least for the rest of the TV season). Talk about shaking up the show- no more Jack/Kate/Sawyer dynamic.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Wow. I think this is the first time that we've actually lost a character that was one of my faves.

And I think it's pretty much confirmed now that the monster = the various ghosts on the island. It's interestig that Yemi's body was missing, just as Jack's father's body was missing.

I'm not sure what to think regarding the Ben-Juliet-Jack thing. It may very well be that she is far worse than he is, and is just using Jack to usurp power in the Others.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I had no idea a death was forthcoming--did the precog Scotsman? VERY unhappy with the loss of Eko. He had really become one of my favorite characters, and had more going for him, plotwise and characterwise, than many of the other main characters I WOULDN'T mind losing, like Charlie. Bummer.

Bernard better watch his ass.

Why has the monster targeted the people it was targeted? Why Eko, why now?

Who was it that faced down the smoke monster? I've forgotten.

New blonde girl is kinda hot. 'Bout time we got some new eye candy. Speaking of which, Juliet is starting to work for me...

I still vote that that all of this "tumor" stuff is another mind game. Too coincidental. Ben et al have figured out that Jack is too smart to go for the conventional "breaking." It's way too out of character for Ben to admit that he's beaten.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Who was it that faced down the smoke monster? I've forgotten.

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The only 2 I can think of off-hand are:

(1) Locke (season one)
(2) Eko (Charlie was with him though)

I'm pretty sure there are no others.

And yeah Eryk, it seemed pretty laid out that monster = ghosts. I wonder if the Monster will ever pick a person and actually converse with the Losties more? (If the pilot wasn't on Heroes, he'd be the perfect person for this, especially since Monster killed him!).

I wonder if the Monster ever becamse Rossou's (sp?) husband during her years on the island? She *did* know it was a 'security system', and that could have really pushed her over the edge (and it would make for a hella-kewl flashback sequence).
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
The new Losties are Paulo and Niki, btw. I'm starting to warm up to Niki at least. They were supposed tpo get more screen time in the Locke episode (Claire was supoosed to catch them having sex in Jack's tent). That scene is probably one of the extra ones they're adding to the repeat episodes.

I kind of got the impression that the actor playing Eko wanted out. I think there's an interview someplace where he talks about being lonely in Hawaii. If that the case we can't really blame the creators.

I'm still not sure if Eko's attitude at the end was right or not. Obviously the monster thought it wasn't. Interesting that Locke described it as a bright light. That's not what came after him in the season 1 finale.

It seems the Jater's have finally accepted that Jack/Kate is not going to happen. Although they insist that:

It's out of character for Kate
There was no build up to explain it
Everyone's going to start hating Kate
Half the audience is going to quit watching
Lost will be cancelled
And there'll be riots in the streets.

I'm almost entirely positive they're joking about that last part.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Arachne -- wasn't Bernard just in the loo when the plane started crashing? So, he's not a real JLIer, er, I mean tailie.

Eko was awesome and I will really miss his character. I guess you could argue that he and Locke were competing for the same mystical character space, so Eko eventually had to go, especially after he helped save John and re-establish his faith in the island.

Having said that, why was it so damn important for John to save Eko from the bear, only to have Eko die in the next episode? Is everything about John, and the other characters are disposable?

I know Eko became convinced about the importance of pushing the button in the hatch. Didn't Yemi's image communicate that to him? Is the security system actively encouraging certain beliefs to perpetuate someone's/thing's objectives, perhaps its own survival?

I have no idea if Juliette is better, worse or the same as Benjamin. Which is why, for the moment, her character RAWKS!
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
when ben showed sawyer that they were on another island, if i got it right, then how could ben send ethan and goodwin out on foot to reach the losties. I think ben said to goodwin that if he started running now he could get there in a day.
Has anyone done the lost experience, has everyone heard what the significance of the numbers is?
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Jack, Sawyer and Kate may be held on a separate island, but that doesn't mean the little suburban Others community is there. I don't think we've seen any indication that that's the same place.
 

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Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!***** the wicked evil ABC!! now we hav to wait till Febuary!!! that's so wrong!!!
 

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Posted by LARDLAD on :
 
"I don't do taco night!"
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Finally, some hot sex on the island. Too bad Ben was a little busy on the operating table to watch...

The flashback with Kate was a little anticlimactic. Are we to assume Kate cashed those Oceanic flight tickets in to flee to Oz?

If we're to believe what's going on, Kate and Sawyer don't make very good con-people. They both end up suckers in the end--does that bode good or ill for their relationship?

Go Jack, go. He figured out how to cut that particular Gordian knot. Now, how is HE going to get out?

FEBRUARY?!?!? Ah, crap. At least I can get caught up on Heroes and Dr. Who.
 

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Posted by LARDLAD on :
 
Actually, the "hot sex" happened before Ben's surgery. He snuck up on Jack after Jack saw them on the video camera in postcoital bliss. Ben said he was surprised (implying he'd already seen the video earlier with the past tense)they'd done it because (paraphrasing Ben) "a betting man would have bet on Kate and Jack." So Ben probably saw the hot sex when it was actually in progress...and loved every minute of it! Bet he saved the recording for...future inspiration!

I think it was in that moment that Jack came up with his plan. He rejected Kate when she pleaded for his help earlier, but seeing her and Sawyer together made him figure out a way to save them. I think this showed that Jack has very strong feelings fo her, enough so that he wanted her to be happy...even if it wasn't with him. If I'm correct Jack has definitely learned something from what happened with him and his wife.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Jack, Sawyer and Kate may be held on a separate island, but that doesn't mean the little suburban Others community is there. I don't think we've seen any indication that that's the same place.

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It's safe to say the holding pen and Otherstown are two different places. In teh season opener, we saw the Others living in a little village, white huts, cultivated lawns, etc. The pens look more like an abandoned Dharma facility.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
An abandoned Dharma facility where there are bear cages. And fish biscuits. I'm actually pretty curious about the place the Losties are being held prisoner. What is it? A zoo? Some kind of animal experimentation station? Uh oh...waitamintute...they're on the Island of Dr. Moreau!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Great episode, great chemistry with Sawyer and Kate, and GREAT scenes with Jack. Season Three has not let me down AT ALL.

I think you've got Jack's though process pretty down pat Lardy. He was both heroic in what he was trying to do, but very bad-ass/manipulative/extreme in doing it, which is the best combination for his character IMO!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I never thought I'd say it, but way to go, Jack! Too bad he doesn't know they're on a seperate island with a madman trying to kill Sawyer.

The Sawyer/Kate forums have gone nuts, of course. I haven't had time to go anywhere else in days. The Jack/Kate fans seem mostly quiet, but the ones that are talking are apparently starting a Kate hate mail campaign.

Nice seeing Nathan Fillion, even if it was a fairly small part. I've actually been a fan of his since he was on One Life to Live, of all things. He's supposed to be in another episode coming up. Probably the first one in February. It would have been interesting if it was a Sawyer ep, though. When Kevin was on the computer right before Kate drugged him, he said he was doing paperwork on a fugitive from Tampa. Sawyer was supposed to have had some con go bad in Tampa.

I loved the ep over all, but I was a little disappointed with the cliffhanger. I was really hoping for something major with Locke.

[ November 13, 2006, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
well to my surprise, the 3rd season of 'LOST' starts this coming Sunday, here in the UK !!

i found out last week, that the series was returning so soon, after the 2nd season ended during this August !!

although it has moved channels [ SKY TV / Rupert Murdock ] has bought it / made a higher bid than Channel Four !!

so from what i understand, this current season is going to bein 2 parts ?? [ the first part of 6 episodes ] has just aired now in the US, hasn't it ??

so, how long is the wait till the 2nd part of season THREE ??

from my working out, the first 6 episodes that air in the UK will take us up to Sunday 24th December, and then we may be airing at the same time as you guys ???

all the same, i'm really looking forward to it .....

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Sounds like you're going to be sparred a lot of agony the North American viewers have to deal with. We've got a 13 week hiatus.

The second part of season 3 starts the first week of February here, as far as I know. Just in time for February sweeps. The run won't be interspersed with reruns, though. Apparently when it does go into reruns in the summer they'll be adding extra scenes. That could be a pain, but I want to know what else happened to Kate in the season premiere!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
An interesting take on the Jack vs. Sawyer debate. Do you guys think he's right?
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
i'd have to go with SAWYER over Jack !! [ so i guess, i go against TYPE !! ]

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
btw ........

'LOST' season 3

returned this evening, here in the UK !!!

and we got a double bill [ of the first 2 episodes ] and what a great return it was !!!

i loved the start with the 'book club' and then the view of the plane coming over ahead, and then breaking up in the air !!!

loads more questions have been raised, and i can't wait to find out the answers ......

it was interesting to find out that JACK is in the 'HYDRA' station, and it's under WATER !!??

the scenes with SAWYER and KATE were cool, too !! andi loved SAWYER's jokes even during their peril !!!

bring on the rest of the season

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
there was also an advert for

'24' season 6 during the advert break of 'LOST' !!

and it looked brilliant !! interesting to see WAYNE PALMER as the current PRES !! and the concept that JACK has to die !!??

looking forward to it's return in JANUARY 2007 !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
the latest episode of 'LOST' to air here in the UK was amazing !!

it was the one all about SAWYER !! the flashbacks were great, and i liked the fact that he put his money into the account for his child !!

the scenes with BEN and the bunny were cool and scary !! and the concept that SAWYER had to control his heartrate [ and in turn, keep him in check, were great !! ]

can't believe there are only 4 episodes to go until the break in the season, hopefully we won't be far behind the 2nd run, when it starts in FEB [ in the US !!?? ]

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
4 eps? I hate to break it to you, but I think you've only got 2 left.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Again, I have to repeat my essential problem with the Others storyline. How can a con man like Sawyer fall for such an obvious trick...and why would a headstrong stubborn SOB like him even WANT to go along with it--wouldn't it be much more in character for him to start doing jumping jacks than act all scared and whiny about it?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
He was scarred because they threatened to to do the same thing to Kate if he didn't do what they told him. Ben even comments on that at the end.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
From the Sci-Fi Wire:

Lost Finds New Wednesday Slot

When Lost returns Feb. 7, 2007, it will have a new Wednesday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot—out of the line of fire from Fox's megahit American Idol, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Taking Lost's old 9 p.m. timeslot will be two new sitcoms: The Knights of Prosperity at 9, followed by In Case of Emergency at 9:30.

The network's announcement of Lost's move to 10 p.m. came on the same day Hearst-Argyle president and chief executive officer David Barrett raised concerns at the Credit Suisse Media and Telecom Week conference in New York about ABC's weakness in the hour leading into local stations' 11 p.m. newscasts.

While having Lost at 10 p.m. is sure to improve the fortunes of ABC stations' late newscasts, the move of the young-skewing fantasy series, which has been a family viewing favorite, to the 10 p.m. hour normally reserved for adult-oriented dramas, raised a few eyebrows, the trade paper reported.

The low-rated new SF drama Day Break, meanwhile, which has been subbing in Lost's Wednesday 9 p.m. timeslot, might also migrate to 10 p.m.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
No one wants me watching the Daily Show I guess.

And that puts it oppostie CSI:NY- harumph
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Has "The Nine" been officially cancelled? I liked that show...
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
As far as I know, it's officially "on hiatus" until further notice.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
As far as I know, it's officially "on hiatus" until further notice.

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Yep, "hiatus".
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Just a heads up...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yep, it's back next week. I just wish TPTB weren't leading the shippers on the way they are. Why can't they just let the triangle die? I want Kick-ass Kate back, not Wishy-washy Kate.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
the second part of season 3 starts back in the UK on Sunday 11th of Feb !! so it will be cool to be ONLY a few days after you guys in the US !!

and what's even better, is that it will be following '24' which is already airing on Sundays at 9pm !!

2 great shows back to back !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Advance word from Entertainment Weekly seems to suggest that TPTB at Lost have heard some of the criticism, and have amped up the story line. Supposedly there will be answers to long held questions. I still want to know what the hell is going on with Desmond's girlfriend! I think they said that we'll be getting some Others flashbacks.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
we have a re-run of the first 6 episodes, every night this week, right up to SUNDAY's new 7th episode !!

i just watched the 1st episode again ....

looking forward to getting some real answers [ soon ] if that article is correct !!??

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Note that there's a one hour recap on before the new episode. The recap starts at 7:00pm in Canada and 9:00pm in the US.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Based on the promos, you're gonna get Kickin' Kate back, Arachne.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Sounds that way to me, too. There's an article in the new Lost magazine where Evangeline Lilly says she's glad the writers are making Kate stronger. (Just read it like, two minutes ago.)
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
LOST IS BACK!

Life can return to normal.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yeah, Click Here For A Spoiler triangle and all. This has got to be a record, I'm complaining in four threads at once.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
More of a 'set-up' espisode than anything else, but still pretty groovy! I'm glad the show is back, and now have a real reason not to go out on Wed nights again!

I hear you though Arachne...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
So what do you guys think about the male field mouse getting pregnant? A sign of things to come?

There's lots of theories that Kate's going to get pregnant. Maybe she's not the one who has to worry.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
It felt more like it should've been the last episode of the mini-season more than the first episode of the second part of the season, but other than that it was generally awesome!

But I'll be especially glad to get back to the beach party next time!
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Yeah, this felt more like the epilouge to the Fall season...

Kate gets more fiesty that she has been in a while, and I liked it. I'm surprised at this week's POV character, but good to get some backstory on her.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
So do you guys think that Ben is really Alex's dad, or is it just that she was raised to believe that?

If he really is, then that puts Ben's "capture" by Rousseau in a whole new light.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Did anyone watch the Lost Survivor Guide that was on before the show? Our DVR recorded it but we haven't watched either yet. Is it worth 42 minutes of my time?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Not unless you just feel like you need a recap.

I think it's kind of interesting to watch these things just to see which plot elements they emphasize, and this one had the advantage that it was hosted by Lindelof and Cruse, who I usually find to have a somewhat entertaining dynamic, but there wasn't that much banter between them tonight.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
I'm thinking we missed one or two episodes as we got caught up this last week. So if this covered just this season then it may help. Especially since mom is home now and didn't get to see most of the first half of the season's episodes.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
So do you guys think that Ben is really Alex's dad, or is it just that she was raised to believe that?

If he really is, then that puts Ben's "capture" by Rousseau in a whole new light.

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Wouldn't she have known his name in that case?

I'm much more attached to Juliet after this episode.

I loved Sawyer and Kate's little con. I also loved Sawyer's expression when he found out Kate wasn't really conning.
 

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Posted by Joe-Boy Harvestar on :
 
Season 3 FINALLY starts in Oz tonight. Have waited toooooo long. Suppose I couldve downloaded. meh.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
"Don't blame me...you're the one that fell for the old Wookie prisoner gag..." - Sawyer

Best line of the episode, possibly of the season so far
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Oh, is that what he said? I didn't make out the Wookie part. My recorder malfunctioned, so I couldn't rewatch.
 

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I know chances are I'm over-analyzing this but I thought that the guy she shot on the beach (Pickett?) was going to get up at the end.



I really thought that he, Juliette and the leader's daughter were gonna say something ominous like "it's done" or something, meaning they just sent a brainwashed time-bomb into the Lost survivors camp.



Could the whole "escape" with the daughter and her boyfriend be one big ruse this whole time including her appearances in Sawyer and Kate's cells? If she's anything like her father it wouldn't really surprise me.



Not a bad episode this time around. Some questions answered, some raised. At least now we know Juliette is as much a prisoner as Jack.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Ben's not Alex's father. The french woman named her baby Alex before the Other's kidnapped the kid.

The brainwashing's interesting. I had a crazy theory that Kate was being brainwashed by the guy she thought was her father and that that's why she goes psycho every now and then.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
That's assuming that we can believe anything that Rousseau says, a lot of which seems to be inconsistent or implausible.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
True. On the other hand we know the Other's wanted Aaron, and they need a fertility expert for some reason.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
I don't think they'd do it, but the look on Sawyer's face if he ends up pregnant would be *priceless*

One thing that's bugging me is that before we saw them, the Others seemed a lot more formidable. I understand a lot of that was trickery, but they seemed a lot more adept at disappearing into the jungle and not leaving trails, NOT stepping on twigs to give away their position, etc (not to mention being stronger unless Ethan's just a freak).
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I really hope there's no male pregnancies (unless Jack starts to annoy me again), but it'd serve Sawyer right. Might make a good fanfic.

There's still a lot we don't know about the Other's, I think. They might be a lot more formidable when Ben's life's not on the line.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Anyone read lips by the way? I'm not taking Juliet's word about what was said between her and Ben. So we saw Ben speaking a little...I've a feeling lipreaders may've gotten something important (or at least contrary to Juliet's account) out of those snippets.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I was thinking the same thing about lipreading. Someone has to have translated it somewhere! I was really hoping for a lot more from this ep--it didn't really go very far. I just knew when Juliet said "...get hit by a bus" that would be exactly what happened. Stronger Kate? All that freaking blubbering on the radio with Jack? Season One Kate would have been a lot calmer--and even though they said it on the review show, I don't think she's really in love with Jack. She would have to know on some level that Jack could never accept her, knowing she had been with Sawyer. She's made her choice.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yeah, I wasn't too happy with the "Kate loves Jack" bit. I really hate it when what the creators say doesn't match what I see. I thought the walkie-talkie bit was over the top, too. Funny how Jack gets calmed down by a story of his own magnificence, though. Jack and Kate was a bad idea right form the start, IMO. They bring out the worst in each other. I get pretty sick of Jack yelling at Kate and Kate begging for forgiveness and trying to be someone she's not. Sawyer lets her be herself.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
one new episode in !!

liked seeing JULIET's backstory !! and SAWYER's wookie line was great !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Wow! Definitely one of the best episodes of the series!
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
We must not have seen the same episode.

Don't get me wrong, there was some interesting stuff. but not worth an entire episode devoted to Desmond.

[ February 14, 2007, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: CJ Taylor ]
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.

Watch the part where Kate and Swayer save Carl from Room 23.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I think the episode raised a lot of interesting questions.

There's been an ongoing question since the start of the show what exactly the role of the flashbacks in the storyline is. Are they just the memories that happen to be influencing the character's behavior at the moment? Are they the "monster" scanning the mind of the person? Something else entirely? Was Desmond's post-Hatch "flashback" of the same variety as that of other characters, with the exception that he could act to change things? Was the old lady in the jewelry store a manifestation of the monster, ala Dave or Eko's brother? And how does the "flash-forwards" that Desmond is having connect to the flashbacks?

There's also the tie to the whole "destiny" idea that's been flirted with since the very beginning. Can Charlie's fate be changed? Or is Desmond right in thinking that no matter what he does...?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Thanks, Eryk, I've been trying to put those ideas into words all day. You summed it up well.

Personally, I would have liked to see more of the other characters (I miss Sayid), but I thought this was a really good episode. One of the Skaters suggested that the old lady was some future version of Penny. It seemed to me that the lady looked a lot like the one talking to Jack in the promo for next week, but I didn't get a good enough look.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Forgot the most important questions: Does Sawyer know what that whiskey was worth? And if so, what's he going to do to Charlie when he finds out it's gone? A guy who's fated to die really ought to be more careful.

On a shipper note, the Jaters have a saying "Jate is Fate." You can also compare Desmond's feelings of inadequacy in his relationship with Penny, to Sawyer's feelings of inadequacy in his relationship with Kate. Could lead to some interesting conversations.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Also, the whole episode could have been a dream or some hallucination created by some higher power in order to communicate with Desmond. Not the monster, it's got other methods.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I just realized that the guy who plays Penny's dad also plays Bradford Meade in Ugly Betty.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Didn't the old lady from the jewelry store play in that Nicole Kidman movie "The Others"?

If so, kinda ironic, don'tcha think?
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I thought it was a really good ep, but I like Des. Charlie's fated to die, huh? Interesting, seeing Desmond fight against fate. Can he change the future? Clearly, he wishes he had tried harder before.

It does seem to be a bit of a "rules change" for the series. If it was any other show, I might just assume that it was a dream or hallucination caused by the stress/electromagnetic force, but with the appearences of horses, polar bears, dead brothers, dead fathers, and other odd things going on, could it mean more? Other flashbacks have been just that, but Desmond's vision seems to be something different, mainly because of the jewelry store encounter. Guess TPTB at Lost don't buy quantum theory....

"Pressing that button is the only important thing you ever do?" Harsh.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Oooh! I just realized that there's probably a connection with Eko's death.

Locke saves Eko from the Polar Bears (thanks to a "vision" from the island) only to have him die a short time later. Maybe Eko was fated to die as well, and no matter what Locke did, it was going to happen?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Could be. Interesting.
 

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Posted by UltraStar on :
 
I was thinking that Desmond got hit on the head and really did go back to his past and relived it with the opportunity to change things even though those changes may have been meant to happen.
Back then he didn't have psychic powers he just remembered things as they happened to him first time around.
He gets hit again and returns to the present.

Now while in our present Desmond is actually a Des from the future who was at some future point hit on the head again and came back to the past again but that past is now our present and he remembers an alternate version of events that happened the first time he lived it.
He might get hit again and not be able to see the future because the present Des won't have that ability.

I think I just confused myself...
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
i believe its alternate realities, charlie was there in the past and i dont know if thats an actual part of his past life or a part of this other reality. I think i am reading to much into this.
Each time desmond changes fate, wouldnt it be a new reality?
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I think it's possible to read too much into all this (duh?). The common thread of the show is "I'm not worthy." Look at Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Charlie, Eko, Anna Lucia, Hurley, Shannon, Sayid, Desmond, etc. IF you send Des back in time, he's not going to make the same mistakes again, right? WRONG! He HAS to. Not just to save the world and maintain some shred of a narrative thread for the show. He has to because the point of the show is for the characters to suffer for their lack of self-worth. Desmond hasn't really conquered his inferiority complex yet, has he? Turning the key was heroic, but it was also the ultimate way to run away from Penny, too. He has a ways to go before he can stand before Whidmore and spit in the old bastard's eye.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Interesting review.

I'm rather fond of theory number four.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
i really enjoyed the DESMOND episode, it really brought up some interesting ideas, and i can't wait to get further insights from DES !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 

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Interesting review.

I'm rather fond of theory number four.

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No comments on this week's episode? It's certainly not as strong as last weeks. I heard somewhere that this one was originally supposed to be episode 8 not 9. That would have meant it aired on Valentine's Day. That might explain such a relationship heavy ep. Thank goodness they'll be back on the beach next week.

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I wasn't very fond of this one. the long break between episodes really hurt. the desmond episode was great, but the stuff with Others seems so old and drawn out.

in fact, when the kidnapped members showed up looking brainwashed or something, I barely registered a hey look they are alive.

I think I am just going wait for the trade(I mean DVD).
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
I've got to say, enough with the backstories dominating the episodes already. Move this story forward please!!! Snails have a quicker pace than this show!

The Desmond ep was great, I didn't mind that it was steeped in the past, but every episode they seem to be beating it into our heads that so many of the survivors had crossed paths in the past, or are carrying a burden... we get it already. Please move on with the story!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I, for one, enjoyed Wednesday's episode quite a bit. I've only started following Lost regularly this season and don't find it boring at all. Maybe not having a huge yen for the beach dynamic because I wasn't there regularly has helped me with the fresher outlook.

I think the characters are fascinating, and the flashbacks interest me as much as the main story. For one thing, I'm wondering where the events shown with Jack and the zen tattoo girl fit into his timeline. After his marriage crumbled and before his dad died, I guess? Help?

An, btw, I really like the love triangle (quadrangle now with Juliet?), unlike many of you. I have trouble deciding whether Kate should be with Sawyer or Jack from week to week! So it's fun for me to see the wavering. AND I also like the chemistry between Jack and Juliet!

I think, though, that Desmond became my favorite character last week. He'safascinating character played by a very talented actor. That bit with his would-be dad-in-law and the two wine glasses was just mean! Poor Desmond!

As for Charlie, being told he's doomed probably insures he's not doomed--how better to throw us off track? And don't forget, the producers said at the beginning (jokingly or not) that the character was the only one on the show who's safe because of Monahan's rabid LotR following!
 

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Posted by Bubble Wrap Boy on :
 
I'm really annoyed with how prisioners keep "coincidentally" passing each other thru the halls, wtf is all that about?! Jack just happens to get led down a corridor as Juliet is being taken to a cell, then it happens again, then Jack happens to walk down a corridor as Alex is being led away... I have to think it wouldn't be all that hard to wait for one to go by before moving the other, not like these people have a ton of desk work to get to... so it's gotta be more than coincidental... but why?
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I don't buy ANY "coincidences" as far as the Others go. Bai Ling...whew. Nice to see that Jack's existential angst did not just begin on the beach.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Also--Hasn't anyone on the internet done the legwork on what Jack's tattoos mean? He is of us, but not one of us? The meaning regarding the Others is obvious, perhaps as well as his role on the beach. A leader is never really one of the rest of the crowd--but at the end, Jack says that't not what it means. Aargh.

I also think there's more to Sawyer's letting the kid go than he let on.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

I think the characters are fascinating, and the flashbacks interest me as much as the main story. For one thing, I'm wondering where the events shown with Jack and the zen tattoo girl fit into his timeline. After his marriage crumbled and before his dad died, I guess? Help?

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Yep. Jack didn't have any tatoos during his marriage, and he was on the plane to bring his dad's body back to the states.

And I, in case you haven't noticed, have no problem deciding that Kate should be with Sawyer. I really hated how Jack treated her last season and that she didn't stand up for herself with him the way she did with Sawyer this episode. (And I think Jack and Juliet have great chemistry. Juliet seems to bring out his good points.)

Jack passing Juliet in the hallway wasn't a coincidence, they were putting her in his aquarium cell.

I've heard a bit about Jack's tatoos before. I think they were supposed to mean "Eagle striking sky" or something like that. I noticed Jack didn't get all his tatoos from the girl, though.

A lot of people really hated this ep. Even the script editor who answers peoples questions at the fuselage could only bring himself to say it was "okay."

According to people who've seen it, the next episode is much better.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Fishbiscuit's Review. No easter eggs this time, but the review of the flashback scenes almost make the flashback worth watching. Almost.

Here's A really good post about Jack's tatoos.

[ February 25, 2007, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by Bubble Wrap Boy on :
 

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Jack passing Juliet in the hallway wasn't a coincidence, they were putting her in his aquarium cell.

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Oh I know, but the fact that the Others should choose that time for her to be moved? It just seems like he's been manipulated to intentionally get a glimpse of these people as he's being led around, I'm just thinking out loud as to why. What could be behind these intentionally set up sightings.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Well, there's also the fact this is a tv show, and everything is coordinated. Maybe they just wanted to show the connection between Jack and Juliet a little more, help reinforce it in the viewers minds.

I think the explanation of the tattoo was more character development for Jack than any clues or hidden meanings. It's a cool looking tat, and it gives more pathos to our hero.

At this point, they need to give more to our other heroes. The Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing needs to be played down for a good long while.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Sad, but true. Looks like they're moving away from it now.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I'm a little put off by the shoehorning of the tattoos Fox already had into the storyline. Man, those people on the Lost thread make us look like a bunch of pikers. They're taking that stuff SERIOUSLY.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
It's something else, isn't it? You should see the shipper wars.

A lot of people are angry about the American promo that announced "three of Lost's biggest mysteries will be solve." Last I checked there was an 11 page thread trying to figure out what they were. It's all ABC's fault, though. The creators tried to warn people on the last podcast that it was just about Jack's tatoos, but I guess the word didn't get out.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Now that was Lost.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah! That's was pretty cool. Not a lot of plot advancedment, but a really fun episode that filled in bits of Hurley's past.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
I dug it too!!! Hurley was like our own Litte Mr. Sunshine...

It was awesome to see everyone on the beach for more than a scene or two. Next week looks to be even better, with the surprising return of ____________.


 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
That was really like a vintage episode, wasn't it? I was really glad to see Rousseau again.

You may have heard the phrase "if you want a beer real bad, here's a real bad beer." Sawyer must have wanted a beer really, really bad.

"Red... Neck... Man." Hurley's got to work on his knicknames. Still, it was a nice effort.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Maybe Hurley needs more beer. Sawyer seemed impressed anyway. I hope Somebody's realized that this kind of cast interaction is what made the show so great.

I loved the look on Sawyer's face when he realized they drank his very expensive whiskey. And this was such a vast improvement for Charlie. I was afraid he'd be moping around for weeks.

This ep is major character development for Hurley. Ever since we've known him he's assumed he was cursed; now he's talking about making his own luck.

Oh, and Vincent is back. All and all it was like season one again. Well, except for Sawyer almost being nice.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Best ep of the season so far. Sawyer's funny/cruel nicknames are back! "Dude!" Cheech! "Hippie car!" Funny jokes with corpses! Men drinking together! A minor triumph leading to the general lifting of spirits! Crazy French lady!

Hey, by the way, what DOES Sawyer have to apologize for? And is there any evidence that Alex is Rousseau's kid, other than general assumption?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
LOL I knew one of you guys was going to ask what Sawyer did! Men all over the net are asking.

Okay, it's two things:

1. He was really domineering last episode, which is strange from him. I put it down to exhaustion, and I think that's why it bugged Kate.

2. He told her she only had sex with him because she thought he was going to die. I don't know what guys hear in that, but girls tend to hear "pity lay", "easy" and even "slut". If you look at the expression on Kate's face when he says it, you can tell she's pretty horrified.

Rousseau said she had a 16 year old kid named Alex, and I think she said it was a girl, other than that it's just assumption.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
Alex has some wacky parents... if Rousseau is her mother and Ben is her father??? Yikes!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Well, the leading theory is that Ben raised her after kidnapping her, and isn't her biological father, but it remains to be seen...

I've heard a rumor that a friend of a certain poster on this thread will be joining the cast of Lost...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I heard that, too, EDE. Should be interesting.

Rousseau said she killed her child's biological father, IIRC.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I've heard a rumor that a friend of a certain poster on this thread will be joining the cast of Lost...

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I've heard a rumor that a friend of a certain poster on this thread will be joining the cast of Lost...

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Do you mean the girl from "Vegas"? We'd need to get Matt spying for us right quick...

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oh my god !!!

you might right in MARSHA being cast in 'LOST' i just went over to IMDB and it mentions Marsha being cast !!??

i'm gonna go email her NOW !!

how cool will that be if my friend is gonna be in 'LOST' .........

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
btw ... i thought last nights episode [ here in the UK ] was great, a really fun episode, loved all of SAWYER's nicknames, he kept using !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
i've sent an email to Marsha [ so just got to wait for a reply !!?? ] i've just checked out the TV GUIDE website, and it seems to confirm it that Marsha is joining the cast of 'LOST' !!??

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I read a list of the things her character isn't, but I can't remember what it said. :7
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, it's something like she's not a crash survivor, not an other, not a flashback character, etc. The basic point seems to be that she's on the island, but must be from a completely different group from anything we've seen before.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.

My theory at the moment is that she's the personification of the island. That or she works for Penny.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I was thinking Henry Gale's wife.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Oooh, that could work. I almost feel sorry for Ben.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Just read a new spoiler on our new character. Do NOT read unless you want to know a potentially big new aspect to the show! (Of course, it might not be true.)

Click Here For A SpoilerFrom George in Tallahassee, Florida: Who is the Spoiler: new female regular on Lost? This comes from Kristen's chat.

[ March 05, 2007, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
hey guys ! i got my email reply from Marsha, and she confirms the rumours !!

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Hey Matthew

Lovely to hear from you fella! You heard right, I actually arrived in
Hawaii today, to start work on Lost.
I'm soooo excited, my first episode airs here April 18th.

How are things with you? Give my love to Paul.

Love Marshaxx

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i'll get back to you with further info, when she replies again !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yet another groovy episode tonight!

Probably not the smartest move on Locke's part...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I'm going to assume he thought it would trigger a distress signal. What is that man's fascination with buttons?

Nice to see Kate and Sayid kicking ass.

Poor Sawyer. How much more humiliation is he supposed to take? At least he scored a few points. And at least he lost to Hurley and not someone annoying like Paulo. (Is there a reason that guy always seems associated with bathrooms? I'm suddenly not so sure I want to see his flashback.)

I feel sorry for the cat. I hope it finds a new home.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Is it me or do the episodes seem shorter lately? Maybe it's because I'm finding them less interesting and the flashbacks don't seem as engaging?
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
They have been keeping it within the 60 minute time slot, where last season they would linger a couple of minutes.

Any time we get Sayid, my interest perks up. He's certainly led a varied past. He walked away from a life of violence and yet it keeps catching up with him. After his initial distance, he's become one of the more reliable team players.

I will miss Sawyer's nicknames, and he can't catch a break.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I'm not too sorry about a temporary ban on nicknames. It's going to be fun watching him come up with new ways to tick people off.

I wonder if it was really a good idea to take his stash. They may find they go through things faster without Sawyer acting as a gatekeeper. I can just see people raiding the medicine for every little ache and pain where before they wouldn't have considered it worth dealing with Sawyer. It's not like he kept things when people really needed them.

They say that when the show go into repeats they'll add deleted scenes, so they'll be longer then and on the dvds, I assume.
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
I liked how when they found the Flame, Rousseau just didn't buy into the rest of their Scooby and the Gang "ooh, a mystery" mentality. She wouldn't play along, and guess who didn't get shot?

Locke, him I just wanted to slap.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
It's just occurred to me that just because the station blew up, that doesn't mean that a distress signal wasn't sent out. Maybe one went out when the hatch blew and that's what Penny's people (Dharma?)picked up.

But, yeah, Locke needs some work. He's got an episode coming up soon, so maybe there's hope.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Are we assuming Locke DIDN'T expect the building to blow up? I liked one-armed Sayyid kicking ass...What's with the pornographic detail on the bullet wound? And oh great, more torture. There's a reason I don't watch 24, people. What a bonechilling moment when you realize that Sayyid is about to get grabbed...Does he deserve it? Finally, a map! When do we get to see it? Submarines? Why the hell did the woman make One-Eyed Jack shoot her? How many of these people are going to die? At what point is Ben going to start passing out the Kool-Aid? What are they all so dedicated to that they are willing to kill both outside threats AND each other to protect? "We're the good guys." I keep thinking they're really going to reveal at some point they are working towards some kind of higher goal, but it's going to have to be pretty lofty to make up for what they're doing to achieve it.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I guess they think they can show more violence now that the series airs at 10pm. Did Sayid deserve it? I really don't know.
Minor Spoilers:
Click Here For A Spoiler
Next episode's a Claire ep , the one after that is Locke's. I think we're going to get more answers in that one. (Both wheelchairs and submarines may be involved.)
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
another great episode !!

but with loads more QUESTIONS and not very many answers !!??

does anyone know what the female 'Other' was saying to 'Eye Patch' before he shot her !!?? [ wasn't she called MRS 'something' ??? ]

liked the info on the UBOATS and the cabels running around the island, and i guess JOHN just loves to push BUTTONS !!

BTW .... still not further info on who my friend Marsha is playing !!?? i guess she busy filming and meeting up with all the cast etc !!! hopefully she'll reply to my email soon ....

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
It was Mrs. Klugh, but I don't know what she was saying. Maybe I'll look into that later.

John and his buttons. There's a little parody about it here. It's kind of tame compared to the rest of that thread, though.

There's some interesting non-spoilers about. They've released the promo pics for episodes 14 and 15, but not for 13. That suggests there's something big going on they don't want to let out. (For reference, the next episode is 12.) There doesn't seem to be any reference to Sayid after ep 12. Hopefully that doesn't mean anything bad.

Oh, and a tiny spoiler ep 15's got Sawyer looking after Aaron. Love the red neck or hate him, that's got to be entertaining.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Good to see the rest of you getting as tired of John as I was the first season.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
He's not the same as he was in the first season. Episode 13 may change things, I think. Of course, even if I'm right about that, it doesn't mean it's going to be a good change.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Now that was the Locke I know and distrust.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Yup, it sure was.

Re: Claire and the revelation. Well, we all called it two years ago. Wow. That was awesome.

Lost truly IS back.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Crap! I missed the first fifteen minutes!

But the episode was pretty damn awesome!

Especially the ending!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I had company come during the first 15 minutes. Fortunately I was recording. And, fortunately, they left before Patchy's death scene. (My cousin's daughter's way to young to see that, I think.)

Boy, was Kate shocked to see Jack.

Here's a link to the Canadian preview. It's different from the American one.

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
ack! That Canadian preview gives away too much! Shouldn't have looked at it.

But tonight's episode was FANTASTIC! Even better than last week's which I also loved! I haven't been one of those people decrying the downfall of this show because it's always been the #1 show on television IMO (way better than the vastly overrated 'Heroes' I think - though I do enjoy that too) but there was definitely a palpable lull in storytelling excitement a few episodes ago.

But no more! 2 great episodes back to back and the ones coming up look fantastic too! Very excited to see how they handle the guest-stars lined up for episode 14 - won't spoil for those not "in the know" but it should be a lot of fun seeing them all.

Was SO great to see an episode that had an interesting A and B plot for a change. There've been a few too many B plots revolving around playing ping-pong or driving a van or chasing frogs lately. And the Charlie/Desmond subplot is such a great idea. Can't wait to see where they go with it. Though I hope they don't actually kill off Charlie as he is one of my faves. As is Desmond who has totally rocked on this show since he came back at the end of last season.

Kate was really great this episode as well. I really don't get why there seems to be so much hate on the internet for her? Seeing her with Sayid this episode reminded me of that very early season 1 flirtation they had going on and made me realise that I think I'd much rather have these two as a couple than seeing her with either Jack or Sawyer. For some reason my boredom levels always go up exponentially whenver those three share the screen together.

Now for the big question - What were EDE and Arachne doing with each other for the first fifteen minutes of this episode? Hmmm?
 

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Re: Claire and the revelation. Well, we all called it two years ago. Wow. That was awesome.

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What was the revelation you refer to? Having only watched the show regularly beginning this season, I'm a bit in the dark as to what it was exactly you refer to--did it have anything to do with her mom and dad? He looked familiar...has he popped up elsewhere?
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I seriously doubt that Jack has truly "gone native" as the ending implies. Unless, of course, he and Juliet are having some HOT SEX--now THAT can change a guy's outlook!
 

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Re: Claire and the revelation. Well, we all called it two years ago. Wow. That was awesome.

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What was the revelation you refer to? Having only watched the show regularly beginning this season, I'm a bit in the dark as to what it was exactly you refer to--did it have anything to do with her mom and dad? He looked familiar...has he popped up elsewhere?

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Now for the big question - What were EDE and Arachne doing with each other for the first fifteen minutes of this episode? Hmmm?

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Lost's penchant for mysteries has spread to real life!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 

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Originally posted by Blacula:
ack! That Canadian preview gives away too much! Shouldn't have looked at it.


Kate was really great this episode as well. I really don't get why there seems to be so much hate on the internet for her? Seeing her with Sayid this episode reminded me of that very early season 1 flirtation they had going on and made me realise that I think I'd much rather have these two as a couple than seeing her with either Jack or Sawyer. For some reason my boredom levels always go up exponentially whenver those three share the screen together.

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Sorry about the preview, I didn't think it gave away that much, but I haven't been able to resist the spoilers. As for the Kate hate, a lot of it's Jack/Kate fans that can't stand that she choose Sawyer. Some people have actually called her a prostitute for sleeping with him. Other people just can't stand the way she acts around Jack; always apologizing for every little thing. Some just don't like that her story always revolved around her love life last season and part of this one. She started out so strong in season 1, her later appearances have been a disappointment.

I missed Kate and Sayid's friendship, too, although I stopped wanting them to get involved in the first few episodes. It's so great to see her taking action again. I'm a bit afraid of how she's going to act around Jack next week. I don't want "puppy dog" Kate back. (That's not a spoiler, btw.)
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Claire and Charlie's interactions really felt teen-drama like this week. I was half expecting Victor to come in and shoot one of the Brady Clan before the got out of Genoa City.

And Locke seems to be a tool now for the writers. When they need to move from A to B in a hurry, John is usually involved, making his own rash decisions without thinking or discussing with anyone.

But ah the Kate & Sayid friendship. These two worked great in season one, and I never thought them anything more than a competent, adventurous duo. This I want more of...
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
So with the idyllic village, the selection process, the Others detailed knowledge of our survivors, I've been thinking.

Any chance the island is a commune? Perhaps the Dharma Initiative ended, and now the island is a haven for some a isolation cult. When Claire's doctor first mentioned her mother's medical coverage was paid for, I thought the Dharma Initiative was involved, ala Juliet's & Desmond's backstories. (I know they lead us to believe Jack's dad was covering it, but that was Claire's accusation, he never confirmed it.)

Patch's explanation of the List, and why Kate/Sayid/Locke were on it, jives with Ethan's and Goodwin's comments about being "good."

Perhaps flight 815 was stocked with either good people, or throwaways- people that could be given up for dead, limiting the search for survivors.

Or maybe I'm just suffering chocolate withdrawals...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I think I read too many spoilers this time. Still, I was partly surprised and it was very good overall. Especially given St. Jack was back and all.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Okay, I really am just wondering how many awesome episodes they can have in a row now! This was yet another great one.

"Because you're in a wheelchair, and I'm not" is one of the best Lost lines ever!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Agreed EDE. This was another great episode! And next week's looks awesome too! Click Here For A Spoiler I wonder who dies?

My only quibble is that this is what, the third Locke flashback that's ended with his Dad proving he's a bastard and getting the better of him. We've been there writers! I was hoping that this episode's flashback would've gone somewhere new and had Locke finally get revenge on his Dad or something - maybe at the expense of his back? Oh well.

Other than that it really feels like this season is firing on all cylinders!
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I think this episode was mostly just setting up next week's confrontation...


It was a good show, and seeing Locke take the fall was damn cool. He still seems a bit more emotional than his namesake.

Jack and Kate played much better here than all through the prison camp. Too bad Sayid had to suffer for it. And seeing Ben play at keeping his word just proves what a bastard he is.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Will the next episode deal with the Others at all? I haven't seen this weeks promo (and there wasn't a Canadian one), but I've only heard things about the beach and the flashback.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Never mind. I've seen it now. It seems like there's going to be an awful lot to fit into one episode.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Great, great episode. Once again, I'm reminded why Locke is my favorite character, own agenda and all (or should I say the 'island's agenda?).

Sayid also had a quick but great scene with Alex.

I have to say, the first six episodes were great this season, but being seperated from the rest kind of put a damper on them. But suddenly, these last few episodes have been some of the best the show's had to offer so far. Can't wait for more!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Me too. Next week's guest star list is pretty cool. I thought more would happen in this episode, though. Kate didn't end up in the place it sounds like she's supposed to be in episode 15, so they have to go back to Otherville, and it seems like there's a lot of stuff that's supposed to happen on the beach, too. I really thought it would be an all-Beach ep.

But I've heard a horrible rumour (not the dead character type) that Click Here For A Spoiler Locke won't be seen again for 5 weeks! I'm afraid to look into it too closely in case I find out more than I want to know.

Edit: Fishbiscuits Review is up. Harsh but hilarious. Dr. Prick, M.D.

[ March 23, 2007, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Your spoiler pleases me.

Locke is up there with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer as overexposed. We've got 40 some survivors- they've all got some stories to tell. When's the last time Charlie had a gripping storyline? Sun looks like she's about to really develop, and Sayid could really turn our little saga on it's head.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Holy Crap. This could be the best episode ever.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
the funniest thing is I was thinking how there was almost nothing they could do to make me interested in those to other than give them great death scenes after what happened to Libby, Anna Lucia and Ecko...

...and holy crap, I'm more interested in them than ever!

Every flashback is like a treat for Lost fans!!
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
It's like a Lost version of Forrest Gump.

Best moment: Boone running around looking for a pen.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
And wow, what a twist. I'm punching myself for not seeing *that* coming, after the obvious hint early on.

And the minute she showed that container, I know we were all thinking that all the *other male ones* were coming.

Wow. Probably the most horrifying scene on LOST so far!
 

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Holy Sh*t!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Oh... wow.
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
Man.

Also I'd forgotten all about Sawyer's and Charlie's escapades last year. Good callback.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Very amusing episode, indeed. I like the Forest Gump analogy. What a pair. I remember when they were introduced, I thought they were real a@$&*)s, turns out that was on purpose. Discover the plane, don't tell anyone. Discover the Pearl, don't tell anyone. Discover the Others' plot to kidnap Jack, Sawyer and Kate, don't tell anyone. Paulo and Nikki make Sawyer look like Dudley Do-Right!
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Ok Click Here For A Spoiler Are they really dead?
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
I was starting to get annoyed with the show "Gumping" them throughout the show - about the time they discovered the hatch and did nothing. I was beginning to wonder what the point was. What would have been interesting is if their exploits shed some light on the established characters rather than just interweave their story into the main one.

Not to say the show wasn't enjoyable, but it was definitely a very "Twilight Zone" ending.

One thing: how the hell did Sawyer see Nicki digging in the dirt when he was playing ping pong with Hurley? They should've shown him picking up a stray ball at the edge of the jungle or something, but the way they cut it doesn't look like he had the chance.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
He didn't see her. He noticed the dirt under her fingernails, then noticed the area where she had dug when they found Paulo.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 

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Yep. Click Here For A SpoilerThe actors have moved on to other things, as I understand it.

I was a tad disappointed with this episode. I was hoping it would have more of an affect on the show overall. And I read too many spoilers. Again. I've got to get that under control for next week. I knew about the burying alive, but I really didn't believe they'd actually do it.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I'm kind of disappointed with it if there isn't anything more done with Nikki and Paulo.

As far as I can see, there were two basic things accomplished in the episode:

1. The Losties now have an Others walkie talkie.
2. Sun finding out who was responsible for her kidnapping.

Neither of those really seemed to justify the focus on these two characters who basically just red shirts.

Unless the spiders play some important role later...
 

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Posted by UltraStar on :
 
Brutal end to those two... whoever they were.

I love how Sawyer thinks the way we all have everytime we've seen Nikki & Paulo not knowing who they were.

I usually hate all the flashbacks in Lost but tonight's were pretty good since we got to see old dead cast members.

I knew what was going on when they first showed us the spider in the flashback and kept their eyes open for most of their 'death'.

One of the better 'filler' episodes tonight I think even though it didn't actually move the main story along. It didn't really need to. I was entertained enough.
 

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Posted by Bubble Wrap Boy on :
 
Wow, way to do a 180 on a storyline with no clear pathway, backtrack and kill off new characters whom viewers never took to. I think we basically witnessed what happens when two atttractive people get put onto a cast with no real sense of direction, just for the sake of bringing in ratings, and the public dosn't take to them. Perhaps if they had been put in with an actual purpose?

This is the one thing about shows like this that always makes me uneasy, They hit with a bang with all these convoluted plotlines and we're all hooked, then when the buzz starts to die down they go off and try introducing new thigns just to get the buzz back, leading us to believe that the writers are now essentially "winging it". They may know where the story will end, but apparently have no idea how to get there.

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Do any of you spoiler-reading internetters know for a fact whether or not they planned this all along with these characters?
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I don't know -- I think the show reminded us (in case we forgot) why Jack, John, Kate and Sawyer are our heroes. These 2 LOSERS could have prevented much pain, suffering and death, and they were just too narcissistic to even notice and do anything about it.

There's also a meta-message here from the writers that a failure to engage with the island and its story is ultimately fatal.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead!

Brilliant!
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
YES! This episode is two seasons late in coming.

I've been wanting stuff like this since that explosive opening scene. We've got almost 50 survivors, let's see all their stories. And this was one creepy story.

That said, maybe Sayid and Sun should sit out a few episodes, now that we're getting close to the season finale (the Deathwatch has begun.)
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
No foreshadowing that someone close to them will be reveled to be a villain. Just like in the show Expose Nikki was on?

I liked this ep. It shows that everyone else also has secrets that they are trying to keep also.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Boy this episode really seems to have split people into two camps. Well I'm firmly in the camp that LOVED it!

I actually think it was one of the best episodes this season. Sure it didn't really move the main plot forward but who cares? It was hella enjoyable and a fun little insight into what goes on behind the main Losties backs.

I definitely don't think the writers caved in and wrote these two characters out because of fan pressure or anthing. This episode would've been written and filmed months ago - long before most people had even had a chance to register an opinion about them.

Favourite parts -

* that "Razzle Dazzle" at the beginning. Totally using that from now on!
* seeing Boone, Shannon and Arzt (and Vincent - loved the way he tried to pull N&P's blanket off knowing they were still alive!) again. Wish Boone and Shannon had had more to do tho.
* all those shoutouts to Season 1 locales and events - the crash, the waterfall, the smuggler's plane... FUN.
* Charlie confessing to Sun. Junkie's one of my fave characters so glad to see him being redeemed somewhat.
* the whole murder mystery/noir vibe. Love a good mystery and while this one was pretty obvious it was fun to see them at least try one.
* seeing Nikki and Paulo get fleshed out a bit and being such amoral characters to boot. That was a surprise. I kinda wish they hadn't been killed off now 'coz the Losties need some more antagonistic characters now that the Others are getting a little played out.

The one thing I was a little leery of was that ending. Being buried alive is one of my biggest phobias so knowing it was coming a couple of minutes before it did and then seeing it happen was a bit uncomfortable. Was a nice twist tho.... if they're really dead? I can't see how they could possibly have survived that but something Locke said earlier in the episode seemed a little foreshadowing - "Nothing on this island stays buried forever." Hmmm.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Hmmm - maybe I was wrong about the characters being written out because of their unpopularity with the fans? ---

"People hated them before they even opened their mouths to say anything significant because it felt like they were crashing the party," exec producer Damon Lindelof acknowledges of the characters who were abruptly introduced last fall. "The easiest thing would have been to just write them out and forget they ever happened, like the cougar on [Season 2] of 24. But that's not Lost. We should at least own up to it."

From - http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800011706

(Love that shout-out to that much maligned Kim/cougar subplot on 24!)

Still, if it is true that Nikki and Paulo were quickly written out because of a vocal minority of fans then I don't know who I'm more annoyed at - the fans for being so impatient that they're going to judge characters before we get the chance to know them; or the writers for caving in to their pressure and not telling whatever story they had in mind for these characters.

Oh well - whatever the reason, I still enjoyed the episode and Lost is still on a roll with me so at I guess it's not all bad.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I think the annoyance had more to do with the number of new characters added, not the quality of the characters. A lot of people were feeling that some of the original characters (Sayid, Sun, Jin Claire) weren't getting enough screentime, and that these new guys were making the problem worse.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Those people still have a baseless criticisim though Arachne, since these 2 characters had at most, what? - 4 lines?, before this episode.

I definitely agree that Sayid, Sun, Jin, etc have been a bit neglected this season but that's definitely not the fault of Nikki and Paulo. That problem lies with Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the Others getting so much screentime.

I think Nikki and Paulo's downfall was caused by a number of things -

* they were introduced at a time when people were looking for ANYTHING to criticise about this show.
* they were introduced in the same episode that a long-neglected but very popular character was killed off.
* their introduction seemed to come out of nowhere and could've been handled a bit more smoothly.
* until this latest episode we've been given no real reason to feel one way or another about them (like/dislike - nothing), they've just been kinda there .

I think if these two had hung around a bit longer (maybe even in the secret villain capacity) a lot of people's opinons about them would've changed. Same as people eventually came around to liking Shannon and to a lesser extent Ana Lucia. Oh well - c'est la vie.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
They had more scenes that got cut, I think. Their first scene was supposed to be in the second ep, IIRC.

They didn't bother me, but I can't blame people for being upset. The cast is just too big, to be adding people if they're not going to play a role that's important to the story. I can't help thinking that if Nikki and Paulo were really intended to be that important they wouldn't have been cut.

I agree that they spent too much time on the love triangle early on. Especially now that TPTB are hinting that it's not over, after all. I hope they're just being misleading.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I wouldn't mind having new characters, but not at the expense of some of the others. The focus on JAKASA has been so much that I feel anyone else is stealing away from my favourites.

That said, I don't think the writers tried to make Niki or Paulo likable. The interaction they had was a little whiny ("You always say you want to be included.") Desmond was introduced and I think most fans like him. So it's not purely the viewers that didn't take to the new characters.

Had we seen a backstory when they were first introduced, we'd probably take to them more.
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
Not to mention that people seem to LOVE Juliet (me included.) I think it was just new character overload.

Now what this does or doesn't have to do with Miss Clue, I haven't a... well, clue.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
It seems obvious now in hindsight that they were doomed from the start. Purposely made kind of 'blah' and then BAM--mid season we get a kick-ass story that does a LOT of things for fans:

(1) we get to see old Lost members long gone and revisit old scenes from new angles

(2) we get to see the much requested 'what are the other 40 survivors doing?'

(3) we get a return to the far-out, trippy full-on horror of the first season when the Island was completely new and potentially scary.

(4) and we're reminded yet again that nothing is what we truly think it is. And no one is what they seem.

I think that worked out well and gave the viewers a break from Kate/Jack/Locke, while giving some screen time to Sun, Jin, Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, and Sawyer, who is at his best when interacting with the other members besides Jack and Kate.

I only wish we could have seen Michael and Walt too. I hope they come back soon.

I wonder now if the 'Expose' story will be reflected in Lost? That someone we've seen all along could end up as the big bad? I'm looking at you Bernard

There have been a lot of great scenes lately and most of the episodes have been addressing the main storylines and moving the plot along. But its good that they interrupted that with something out of left field. We’re not that close to the *series* finale yet, so they can’t make us feel too safe in knowing what could be next
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Cobbie, you may be right about "Expose" being foreshadowing. Apparently, the creators have codenamed the finale "Snake in a Mailbox." And what was the name of the Billy Dee Williams character? Cobra.

Of course, it might just have been there to make Hurley suspicious of Sawyer in this episode.

I can't wait for next weeks episode. Although I'd rather Kate decked Jack not Juliet. (I like Juliet, too, KP. ) I'm really hoping this episode ends the triangle or at least shows Kate reestablishing an identity outside of her love life. Her identity should affect her love life not the other way around.

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
so after last weeks amazing WHAT THE HELL !!!??? ending [ did we get to see more of JOHN's Dad, and how he's appeared on the island !!??

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
No - that'll probably be next week when we get back to the Others storyline.

P.S. Personal theory - that's not really John's Dad, Ben has just learned to control the 'monster'.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Nope, not a bit, and from the sound of things it's going to be awhile. There's some theories that he'll be back in Sawyer's ep, but no one's confirmed if Sawyer has another ep this season. If you're interested in Cooper, you might want to visit this thread. It could be considered a spoiler, though.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
My theory is that it's really Cooper, but he's not really a prisoner.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 

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P.S. Personal theory - that's not really John's Dad, Ben has just learned to control the 'monster'.

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Interesting and weird. I can't imagine, though I would certainly like to see more of the smoke monster explained (I've taken to calling him "Roger" after the sentry in "The Prisoner", but that's just me). Still, I can't wait to see what "the man from Tallahassee" (Locke's dad) has to do with any of this.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Well, what'd'ya know? I just came across a translation of the Russian conversation from Enter 77. I wasn't looking for it or anything.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Hmm, Mikhail and I share a birthdate.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
After reading through all of those wikipedia pages, I've come up with a theory:

At some point during LOST, most likely towards the end of the finale season, we will see that Desmond and Penny (who will be on the island by then) go back and time and become 'Adam and Eve', the two skeletons from season one.

It just seems like we could end up seeing something similar to that and it would be hella-kewl. But of course, I could be waaay off.

Just b/c I'm all looking at Lost stuff all morning
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Kinda funny that the ep begins with a guest star being killed off and ends with two guest stars being killed off....What a way to go. I can't believe they're really dead. It does seem like a bit of wasted time. I really like the episode--it was a nice little review of Lost history, without the ominous voiceovers. So do you think any of that history was actually restaged for the episode, or was it all "stock" footage left over or spliced in from earlier seasons?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
So I know I'm so out of the loop compared to the people on the LOST site, but maybe you guys can help me confirm some stuff (I'm looking at you Arachne ).

So the 'monster' is actually what is referred to as 'Cerebus' on the blast door map? And it had a 'catastrophic malfunction' at some point? Its primary nexus of activity is near the Black Rock (not that far from the Losties when compared to other stuff), and it definately is a security system, that might have had its malfunction when one of the hatches/stations (or all) had its shut-down (the map refers to both the Staff/medical facility and the zoological one, but we know that is on the other island).

And there are six known stations, though blast-door map had seven with one crossed out, and then an eighth in the middle. We know they are the Swan (original hatch/electromagnetic), the Staff(medical one/where Claire was), the Arrow (where the Tailies were), the Flame (where the Russian other was just found), the Pearl (the camera one) and the Hydra (which the others were using/where zoological experiments took place). But we now know the Hydra was on another island, so there may be a possible seventh hatch/station that would fill out the hexagram of six stations, all connecting in the middle to a possible middle one. The Hydra/island hatch, which could have its own underground tunnel stretching out under the ocean, would then create a pattern that would look suspiciously like Juliet's new brand.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
So I looked for more info on the monster and found this, if anyone is interested:

"On the blast door map, several cryptic notations described a "system" named "Cerberus". It is believed these notations refer to the Monster or the "Security System". Also the Official Jigsaw Puzzles revealed that the CV notations on the Blast Door map stand for Cerberus Vent. More to that the notation "a mouse does not rely on just one hole" - originally in Latin on the map - implies that there is more to the underground of the Island than we know. It could be an interconnected set of tunnels, which could be used for traveling for one or more Monsters. "
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The actual number of stations, and whether they actually correspond to the ones on the map, has been a pretty substantial subject for debate. As has whether or not "The Pearl" is the middle hatch or one of the perimeter ones. On the one hand, Eko and Locke went to find the "?", which was at the center of the map, and they recognized it by the "?" on the ground at the site. On the other hand, the map seems to indicate the "Pearl" is one of the perimeter stations.

I think it's pretty clear that the monster "lives" underground. What else is underground, and whether anyone is presently in control of the moster, is an interesting question.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
There have been suggestions that there are people underground, but it's just a rumour so far.

I haven't gotten around to studying the map, yet. I think there's supposed to be a pull out copy in the next Lost magazine. (Which some stores already have on the shelf, although it's not supposed to be out till the 10th.)

At the moment, though, I'm more concerned about the rumours regarding Kate's character than the mysteries.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
One other thing on the Monster that I wonder if its been discussed: On www.lostipedia.com they have a list of false accusations made against the Others, which is pretty extensive, and shows just how wrong some of the Losties may be in their opinions of them. Basically, their most major crimes are all the kidnappings, hanging Charlie, and Ethan killing Steve in Season One.

While the other two can't be explained, I'm wondering more and more if Ethan really did kill Steve. When they found his body, all of his bones had been smashed, and the description of what happened to him was surprisingly similar to how Eko was described after his death earlier this season. I'm beginning to wonder if Ethan was wrongly accused (even if he promised he would kill one of them) and the Monster killed Steve in the same manner he did Eko.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
There's a certain faction of Lost fandom that subscribes to the theory that the Other really *are* the good guys. Even stuff like the hanging of Charlie, we didn't really see Ethan do it. We did see Goodwin kill Nathan with the Tailies, but Nathan was kind of mysterious as well, so it's speculated that he really was a spy, from the *evil* faction of Others.

The death of Steve seems to be the first hint that the Others could mysteriously attack from the sea, and really seems to be a setup for the revelation of the submarine this season.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
So I thought tonight's episode was pretty good, though it seemed like a bit of filler. What *was* the point of dragging Kate and Juliet out in the jungle and leaving them? We got some development for Kate, but seemed like the lesson she should already have learned last season when she was captured by the Others the first time after following Jack and the gang when they went after Michael.

I guess the most important tidbit was the fact that Juliet doesn't know anything about the monster.

I wonder if the survivors are going to move into the barracks?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hm, I hadn't thought about that. That might be interesting.

I thought it was good too, but definately felt like a 'filler' episode after the last few. I thought there were some good Sawyer/Hurley scenes, with the idea that they look to Sawyer as a leader when the other four aren't around. And Hurley's role in the group, though unspoken, continues to be very defined. I like how they show how Desmond has kind of taken over Locke's old role, and how the Sun/Sawyer thing will definately be reflected in Jin's upcoming episode. I checked btw, and Jin and Charlie are the only two who haven't had an episode out of the "Losties" (re: not counting Ben, other Others, etc.). So those two subplots, which have been perculating will definately be addressed (what Sawyer and Charlie did to Sun, the Desmond/Charlie/Claire story).

Locke has really regained his mysteriousness these last few episodes. The funny thing is, for the first time, I don't think the Others know what they're in for. Whereas usually you'd want to say "blah blah blah better not trust the Others here", you can pretty much say "if the Others are trusting Locke, they're in for some trouble".

Really looking forward to next week's episode where it looks like we'll start to get some concrete answers on the Others.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
what about locke's "father", they decided to skip that whole thing for another, better be next week. To be honest, i think the whole thing with the others having locke's father is just a little over the top, almost jumping the shark.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
LOL Well the creators have been telling us all season that there's going to be a moment when some fans will say they'd jumped the shark.

Some good insight into Kate this episode. The apology to Jack wasn't too bad. She's talking as much to her mother as Jack. Still, he was awfully cold to her. Especially since what happened was mostly Locke's fault. I don't really like Jack, but that surprised me.

Someone on LF pointed out that all the aliases Kate uses are the names of saints.

I liked the Sawyer stuff. I thought it was a bit strange that he didn't see through Hurley's con faster, but I like Hurley's motivation. I wonder if there's a power struggle between Sawyer ans Jack coming up.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Just sat down and watched the first four of the second half of the season. Now to find time to watch the next five. I find Lost is much better if we can just watch three or more episodes in one sitting. Definitely a better show in large doses.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Hurley's con was a little too simple, but that just to Sawyer's distrustful nature. And seeing him handle Aaron was creepy. He better practice tho' now that he's a daddy.

I like the Kate/Juliet dynamic. Let's see these two forced together more. But one question- did she have the handcuff key, knowing what was coming, or did the Others give it to her?

Not that I don't like the end of the love triangle, but Jack's kind of a puss. It didn't take long for him to fall for Kate, and now Juliet seems to have him smitten.

Good riddance to Locke. And while Jack's sorting out things with the ladies, Sayid scours the camp... He's the man!
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
I'm a bit confused by the whole "left behind" thing. Kate and Juliet they drag off to the jungle, but Jack and Sayid they leave in the village? Why would Juliet feel such a need to bond with Kate if Jack was also left behind (Juliet knew Jack was still there) and he would undoubtedly look out for her? (as he did at the end anyway) And why would Jack still be unconscious almost a day after Kate and Juliet woke up?

The Sawyer storyline was cute, but it seemed off to me that a con-man like Sawyer coudn't fake being nice and genuine any better. Besides, the real leader should be Hurley anyway.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I tend to agree with that last bit, but I think Hurley is the type to rule from behind the throne. I really hope we get to see Sawyer being successfully devious soon, either on island or in flashbacks.

Juliet might have felt that she need backing from more than just Jack, but the whole situation is weird. Why was Jack still unconscious? And why did Juliet insist that Kate go and get Jack herself? Wasn't Juliet just as worried about him? There's something else going on here. I'd like to know how long Sayid was unconscious, too, if he was at all.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Any chance Juliet picked up a thing or two while married to Ben?

Maybe she arranged to be tossed with Kate. This would give her time to assess Kate's feelings for Jack and eliminate them. She obviously has feelings for Jack, and she would want to know Kate isn't going to make a play for him.

That explains the handcuff key. She sends Kate to get Jack, knowing his still raw feelings would dash any she has left.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I don't think we know for sure that Juliet was married to Ben, but we'll find out next week.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I'm thinking Jack's the snake.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Wasn't their marriage mentioned in the opening, during the book club meeting?

Damn me for not having TiVO.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
It's been implied that there was some kind of relationship that went sour between Ben and Juliet. I think the most explicit thing that's been said is that they have a "history". What exactly that history is has yet to be specified.
 

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BTW .... still not further info on who my friend Marsha is playing !!?? i guess she busy filming and meeting up with all the cast etc !!! hopefully she'll reply to my email soon ....

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
There's a video interview with the cast here. It's got some interesting stuff in it. No huge spoilers, but some interesting tidbits. I particularly liked the interview with Evangeline Lilly at the end, although it doesn't give away anything.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
There is no question in my mind that Juliet is a plant. They/she has gone to a lot of trouble to earn Jack's trust. This is a great way to reset the parameters of the island--separate the Others from the Losties but still maintain a presence without any more incidents to amp up the Losties' paranoia. I'm pretty sure Sayid has figured that out.

The Juliet handcuffs thing (besides being oddly hot) seemed to be a setup to keep Kate and Jack apart--show her that Jack knew about Sawyer, and would hereto be unavailable.

Are we setting up a little Cyclops v. Storm "who will lead them" episode if Jack doesn't get back before Sawyer establishes himself as the leader Hurley wants him to be?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I think Juliet's too obvious, there's more to it than that. Click Here For A SpoilerThey're calling the cliffhanger "snake in the mailbox." That suggests that something really familiar is going to turn out to be dangerous. I'm still thinking Jack's the snake, but I've heard Sayid suggested, too, since he was alone on that swing set for so long. I've also heard Hurley suggested because we don't know exactly what happened to him after the Others let him go last season.

Besides, I like Juliet, I'm afraid that if she's the bad guy, they'll kill her off.

I definitely think there's a power struggle coming up between Jack and Sawyer, I've know real spoilers to back it up, though. I hope this is what they mean about the "romantic" quadrangle continuing. Kate may have to choose between her leader and her lover and Juliet just makes the whole situation more complicated.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Oooh, good ep. I don't want to give anything away, but I really liked that. And it even backs up the stuff I've got spoiler tagged in the previous post. In a totally opposite kind of way.
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Agreed.

This is lost, never expect anything ever to be the truth.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Good episode.

My prediction:

Click Here For A SpoilerJuliet ends up siding with the Losties, and betrays Ben as far as whatever he's got planned.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I hope you're right.

In that promo Sun said something about not trusting "him." For some reason, the way she said it makes me wonder if we should be trusting her. She can't be working for the Others, though, because she killed one of them. Then again, so did Juliet...
 

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Posted by Bubble Wrap Boy on :
 
damn them! I finally felt like I could exhale because they were showing the viewing audience all the trials that this person had gone thru, thus finally allowing myself to fully enjoy the feelings of affection I'd been supressing all this time... and then they slammed us with that ending.

<shakes fist in air>


 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
You just need to learn to love the bad guys.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Well at least I got my answer as to how Juliet happened to have the key.

And some of the Others backstory has shot down my theory on the island. It's good to know Ben has always been a jerk. I think EDE's on the right track with Juliet and where her allegiance will end up.

A good story, but dagnabbit gimme some Sun!
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Man, did this ep give me bad dreams (mothers/babies dying). Very good, though. Normally, I have little interest in blondes, but I love Juliet more with each episode.

I have a question, reflecting my ignorance of the details revealed early in the show before I started watching. Did Rousseau give birth to Alex on the island, or before? If it was on the island, it puts a lie to what Juliet said about the island's "no baby" policy, but is consistent with Juliet's "it happens at conception" statement in the flashback with Linus on the rocks. Maybe Juliet and Ethan were trying to figure out why Claire WASN'T dying, rather than stopping her FROM dying.
 

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Posted by Bubble Wrap Boy on :
 
At the end when they showed Juliet look away all tense like, I thought the camera was going to pan out and show the reason for the tenseness was because Sayid was staring her down, seemingly onto her.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, I just looked it up on lostpedia. She was seven months pregnant when she crashed.

Ben was apparently born on the island as well, if he "lived there all his life". It may imply that the inability to have children is a recent thing.
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
This was a GREAT episode, I thought. Right up there with the very best of the entire saga! I liked how they answered questions we forgot we even had.

(Now if they'd just solve the mystery of Adam and Eve in the pool by the caves...)

And how awesome was it that they referenced / Juliet actually went back to the caves from season 1???
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Great ep.

Perhaps if the having babies problem is a recent thing, it has to do with the 'incident' that the Dharma stuff always refers to (Cerebus going rogue, the original Hatch problem, etc.)?

Kippers, the writers have confirmed that they will play into Adam and Eve eventually, maybe even in the final season.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I was kind of hoping Adam and Eve were connected to Nikki and Paulo. With all the time travel stuff.

Something big's coming up for Sun in a few eps, CJ, two or three weeks I think. Hell of a mess she's in. If the baby's Jin's then she's dying, if it's not, then they're going to know it was conceived when Jin was infertile. Or at least, we're going to know.

Kate was worrying about Sun, she should be worrying about herself. I'm totally against the idea that Kate's pregnant, but after that news, she ought to be thinking about the possibility. (Unless Sawyer's got a stash of condoms hidden somewhere, I think his sex life just took a downturn. Although the promo would indicate otherwise.)
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
I think the traitor will turn out to be Kate. Remember, when she Jack and Swayer were captured -Jack was in the bunker, Swayer went into the bear cage and Kate got cleaned up and had a nice brunch with Ben on the beach. Next we see her go into the opposite cage.

I think Kate will be the big snake and that she is playing everyone.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Actually, Kate as the uber-traitor would be interesting. It would also finally pay off the whole "she's dangerous/don't trust her" stuff from the Pilot.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Some big answers, if you're looking between the lines...

I was right, I was right, Juliet's the snake! Or since this is Lost, A snake. My wife was pissed!

I don't think there's any question Sayid is on to her.

Some bigger picture stuff:

1. Juliet know, via the files demanded by Ben, everything WE know, if not more, as illustrated by her comments to Sawyer and Sayid. Talk about a viper in the nest! Will she be the machina through which all of the Losties secrets will be revealed to each other? That certainly was her function when she made sure Kate knew that Jack knew that Kate "knew" (in the Biblical sense) Sawyer. Could get a little spicy around here...

2. If, as Ben seemed to intimate, there is something on the island that could "cure cancer," what is it? Shouldn't it be the same thing that healed Locke's legs, and is NOT healing Ben? Is that thing connected to inability to have children? If so, no freaking wonder they wanted Juliet. So, I'm thinking about all of these Others shooting each other, and I start to wonder....are they really dead? In many cases, Others don't seem to have a problem getting shot or shooting others. How far do the healing powers of the island go?

3. Jack is a CHUMP. All the time. No wonder he fell for Kate, a con artist. He has not been shown in a single relationship with a woman in which he has not ended up as a CHUMP. Thai girl, wife, Juliet, Kate...Come to think of it, many male characters on the island are chumps--Sawyer over and over again, Locke to his daddy and undercover cops, etc. His only hope to NOT look like a complete idiot is for him to be in on it, and judging from Juliet's conversation with Ben, that isn't the case.

4. Ethan, although dead, is still creepy.

5. Juliet's lover is the guy killed by dead cop lady? But we don't see any reaction on Juliet's part...And she glossed over when Hurley mentioned Ethan (Hurley gettin' a little gangsta on us, with the implied threat to Juliet--last time one of you was around, we WHACKED him!)--what does she really think about the people she's around? Is Jack right about how bad she wants to get off the island? It's been set up that way. If it's true, then she's got to know that Ben still represents her best hope to get off the island, even though he's a duplicitous bastard.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Kate? She's sure been through the wringer via the Others, so if so she's a better actress than I would have thought...
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
well i guess i'm not going to get the inside INFO from my friend Marsha !!

this is the email i got from her today ........

[ No spoilers my friend! That would result in instant unemployment!!

Hope you're well.

Marshaxx ]

oh well !! just one more week till her 1st episode !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Juliet's not the snake. The snake won't be revealed until the season finale. We already know Juliet's up to something.

I don't think Kate's knowingly working with the Others. I doubt she'd go back for Jack if she was. I did have a theory that the guy Kate thought was her dad was working for Dharma and he let them do something to her that turned her into a killer. So she could be brainwashed or something.

The title of the finale is Through the Looking Glass, apparently. It's going to be a Click Here For A SpoilerJack flashback.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
I'm SOOOOoooo jealous of you Matthew!

It is SO cool that you know someone who is about to be in this excellent show! I just hope she ends up being a character we all like and not another Nikki/Paulo... or things could get uncomfortable around here. j/k

I'm still loving Lost like nothing else on television but I wasn't as blown away by the latest episode as a lot of other people seem to have been. Juliet has totally rocketed up into being one of my favourite characters but unless I missed something I didn't really think the latest episode told us anything that new about her, or the island.

Still a fun ep though, with some great lines and a killer ending!

Now bring on some Charlie, writers! Can't believe he hasn't had a single flashback all season!

[ April 13, 2007, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: Blacula ]
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
His is coming up. The week before the finale, I think.

There's some really interesting info from an interview with Yujin Kim (Sun) here. It's a real mind bender. It seems that she and Daniel Dae Kim were given different info about who the baby's father is. In the interview Click Here For A SpoilerKim says that in a way they were both told the right answer.
 

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Posted by Disaster Boy on :
 
i hate juliette. i hope kate isnt through dishing out dislocated shoulders...unless that was a lie? see!!! i hate her!!!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Hmm, that E interview suggest that Click Here For A SpoilerBen get's the final flashback.

I like Juliet, but I'm hoping Kate gets another go at her anyway. I don't like Kate being overshadowed.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Did they ever mention where Juliet got the sperm to inseminate her sister? Just curious cuz on this show, you never know...
 

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i'm actually more addicted to this show now after all the criticism that its not going anywhere.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I think I am, too. And I'm not a Jack fan, either. At all. Unfortunately, there is going to be another Jack flashback. A lot of people aren't happy about him getting three when so many have only gotten one, but TPTB seem to think this one's important.

I've read comments that Lost is going to go all Lord of the Flies this season. I'd count that as a spoiler, but I think they've said that every season. Still, it sounds like people are going to have to choose sides. If so, it should be interesting to see who ends up where. (Some people think Jack would make a better villain than a hero.)
 

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Mostly the SKate spoiler thread in the Sawyer/Kate subforum at Lost-Forums, actually. Obviously they mostly focus on Sawyer and Kate, but they'll discuss anything just to pass the time. They've really got a gift for separating the spoilers from the foilers. They managed to put together the entire plot of Every Man for Himself from bits and pieces.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Spoilerfix is generally a great source that consolidates spoilers from various sources for Lost, and many other shows.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yep, that's a good source. DarkUFO's good, too.

The first post on that spoiler thread gives a long list of different sources and sites.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
It's official, Matt, Your friend's on Lost. She didn't get to do much this week, but she's sure going to cause a stir.

Click Here For A SpoilerI think Penny must have sent her; that's how she new Desmond and had that picture with her. But, I wonder, is Penny really one of the good guys? I hope so, but you never know.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I love Desmond. Screwed up as he is, he's got more...something in his pinky than Jack, Kate and Sawyer combined. Maybe it's just the accent.
 

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Posted by Stealth on :
 
I started watching the show again this season, but this is the first episode so far that I thought was so good, I absolutely had to post about it.

Desmond's become just about my favorite character on the show.

I like Juliet, and I hope Kate turns out to be the snake and Juliet becomes a heroine (and I finally figured out this season that it's not Kate herself I don't like, it's Evangeline Lilly -- among other things, she looks like Sheryl Crow, one of my least favorite singers.)
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I think Juliet's one of the good guys, but she's not really loyal to the Losties yet. Can't blame her, she doesn't really know any of them yet.

Kate's still my fav, though. I never noticed a resemblance to Sheryl Crow. (I'm no fan of hers, either.)
 

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From that promo I'd say the quadrangle is ending. Thank goodness. Although I still expect Kate will have to choose between Jack and Sawyer on a political issue. (No spoilers, just a theory.)
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
So what's up with that monk?? In his office there's a picture of him with that old lady from the other episode who told Desmond about the time travel thing! Are there people manipulating all of this in key roles placed amongst the Losties to get them on that island? I have no idea what any of this means...
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Drake, you beat me to it! I just remembered the silver-haired jewelry store lady with surprising amounts of information in the picture.

It's possible it's just an Easter egg from the producers. On the other hand, with Desmond especially, there seems some agency, involving Penny's dad, conspiring to place him on the island. Since Penny's dad buys all the wine from the abbey, it's not a stretch to imagine some sort of connection with regard to Desmond.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I don't think it's just an Easter egg. There's got to be more to it that that.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I love Desmond, too! Great, great character and very well acted! (I thought the parachute lady was going to be his original jilted bride!)

Possibly grim tidings, though--according to Sci Fi Wire: Click Here For A Spoiler the producers say we can expect a bloodbath in May. At least five? I can't imagine us losing that many characters in such a short time! They're not that expendable! Of course it doesn't say five major ones, so maybe it'll just be, like, four redshirts and maybe one regular?

Whatever actually happens, I hope it's Lost "bible"-dictated, rather than ABC-mandated forbudgetary purposes. Such a random cataclysm could ruin a show I've grown to love despite not becoming a regular viewer until this season and only recently having purchased and watched the Season One DVD set (with Season Two likely on the shopping list in May!).

Thoughts?
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I wouldn't mind losing some of the cast, if done well. When this show first premiered, the producers talked about how we could see characters go off into the woods and not come back, allowing them to focus on newer characters.

The recent Nikki/Paulo episode was a treat for me. I wan to know more about the other survivors. Hack, I want to know about that flight attendant living with the Others.


Just don't kill Rose or Sun.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
I'm more interested in the upcoming showdown between Locke and Jack. I liked both characters at the beginning but now can't wait to see one of them leave (preferably Jack).
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
Gosh, a bloodbath.

I have to say I'm not surprised. I'm afraid that Charlie, Sun, and Jack all have targets on their backs at the moment, but I hope Sun makes it through. She rules!

I have a feeling Matthew Fox wants to pull a George Clooney and make a move to movies, which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see him go. I wonder what kind of contract the cast had to sign prior to the first season?
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Well Fox has already got his summer tied up. He's going to be playing Racer X, nemesis of Speed Racer, in the live action Speed Racer movie. Plus he was just in We Are Marshall and Smokin' Aces. I believe he already thinks he's Clooney. Which he ain't.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
If Jack is going to die, I think this is the point at which it's going to happen. Otherwise, I think he's safe for the rest of the series.

I'm thinking Sun is safe, but I'd actually worry about Jin.

I'm also afraid Sayid may be expendable at this point. As much as I love the character, I'm not really sure that he's got much of a point in the plot at the moment. Plus we've pretty much explored his entire background.

I'm kind of hoping they surprise us and don't let Charlie die, though I'd much rather see that than something annoying like having Desmond sacrifice himself to save Charlie. If that were the only other option, I say bury the hobbit.

Locke, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley are probably the safest characters.

I think we may lose some of the major Others, such as Tom, and it wouldn't surprise me if this Naomi chick is fodder as well.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I've heard before that it'll be one we care about and one we don't. Even expanded I think it'll only be one or two we care about.

I've also heard it's someone we don't expect, which kind of rules out Charlie. If they really want to shock people it'll be Hurley, but that might make people mad, too.

I agree about Sayid, he doesn't have much of a plot since Shannon died, and the actor's been complaining.

Ben could be in for it, if they're going to reveal who Jakob is. Tom, Carl and Alex could go, although I don't want Danielle to loose her daughter. There's Cindy the stewardess and Rose and Bernard. Also Naomi like Eryk said. Click Here For A Spoiler Also, Eye-Patch guy may not be dead, he's in next weeks ep in some capacity.

I'm worried about Sawyer, 'cause things are looking too good for him right now. On the other hand, he's under contract for several years, and TPTB said the final episode would be in trouble if he quit. That won't stop the actor if he wants out, though.

Personally, I hope it's Jack. If his dad's important somehow, then Claire could take over that plotline, and Sayid or Sawyer (I only add Sawyer because Hurley mentioned it)could take over the leadership plotline. Juliet can have the wants-off-the-island-at-all-costs plotline. Oh, and the love rhombus dies. Really, all I see are benefits story-wise.

A lot of people will be seriously ticked off if they kill Jack, though. I don't understand it, but he has fans. Of course, so did Eko, and the fans didn't blame the show once it was made clear the actor wanted to leave for personal reasons.

Edit: And I have given this way too much thought.
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
Also, Jack has the flashbacks in the season finale. Yes, I think Dr. Shepard's time on the island may be drawing to a close...
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I think Sawyer, like Locke, is pretty much safe until the series finale. Odds are pretty good of him not making it through the finale, however, especially if Jack is still around.

Kate and Hurley are, imo, the two characters that I can't imagine them killing under any circumstance.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
The only think that worries me about Kate is that Evangeline Lilly (Kate) is involved with Dominic Monaghan (Charlie). If he goes, she may decide to go, too. She said on one of the DVD's that she didn't want to be an actress ten years from now, or something to that effect.

How do people feel about Kate after this last episode? A lot of her fans really dislike her after the way she acted. They thought it was pretty horrible that she had sex with Sawyer because she was upset about Jack.

It didn't bother me that much, although I thought the crying bit a was a bit ridiculous. The way I see it, if something went wrong between you and a good friend and that friend was acting cold to you while you were trying to repair the damage, and then the friend went off with someone you hate/don't trust and did the kind of things you used to do together, you'd be pretty upset. And if comfort sex is how you want to deal with it, that's your right. I don't see that it really means she's in love with Jack but sleeping with Sawyer. Maybe I just want to see her in the best light possible.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Why do so many people dislike/hate Jack and want him to die? I don't get it!

Do y'all have problems with Foxy's acting?

Or does his character steal too much time from your favorites?

Is it his character flaws, particularly his superiority complex? I mean, gawd, pretty much every character on the show's got some pretty heavy character flaws, so I don't see why his grate on people so much!

I think Jack's terrific and feel the chemistry between him and Kate is really good. And I don't think Juliet would suffice from what we've seen as the Losties' resident doc either.

I'll still watch Lost if Jack dies, but I feel we'd have a tremendous void left in his wake.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Jack is to Lost as Cosmic Boy is to the Legion.

Remember the Cosmic Boy Death League?

It's the same phenomenon.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Jack is to Lost as Cosmic Boy is to the Legion.

Remember the Cosmic Boy Death League?

It's the same phenomenon.

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Dead on. Jack is too much like Rokk for me. It isn't Fox, just the character.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
My problem with him is that nobody ever calls him on his flaws, I have to wonder if the creators even see them as flaws. His treatment of women is unacceptable, too, and unlike Sawyer (who certainly treated women badly in the past) he doesn't seem to be growing into someone better.

That said, things have been slightly better this season. I liked it last week when the other Losties confronted him about Juliet.

And it was in season two that most people started having a problem with him, though, Lardy, so you may feel differently after you see it.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I like Jack. He is the Hero, and I can't see the show without him.

The snake in the mailbox thing has me thinking it's not so much a traitor as it is an unexpected shocker.

I would hate to see Sayid go and Locke stay, but they really haven't given my man much in the way of story.

Hurley and Kate have been favourites, and while I don't see them letting Kate go, Hurley would certainly cause an impact with the survivors. (And he's growing girth wouldn't be a problem any longer...)
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
'Course, as I learned from the Season One DVD set, Jack wasn't even originally supposed to survive to the end of the firstt episode, and Kate was supposed to be the hero of the show (apparently, a more vanilla version of the character, but Kate nonetheless--even referred to her in the early script treatment as "our hero").

Maybe they're revisiting that idea?
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 

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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Jack is to Lost as Cosmic Boy is to the Legion.

Remember the Cosmic Boy Death League?

It's the same phenomenon.

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Dead on. Jack is too much like Rokk for me. It isn't Fox, just the character.

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Speaking of character analogues, I was thinking recently that it'd be interesting to recast "Battlestar Galactica" with the "Lost" cast:
Apollo = Jack
Starbuck = Sawyer
Adama = Locke
Sheba = Kate
Balthar = Desmond
(since I'm bringing in Sheba and Starbuck's a guy it wouldn't totally follow the new show, but ya know what I means....)
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
well !! my friend MARSHA's episode aired this evening here in the UK !!

can't wait to see what she reveals in the next episode !!??

but ..... there's one small problem [ i go on holiday next Saturday, so i'm not gonna see the episode, for another week !!

[ someone will have to 'spoil' me ]

Matthew.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Matthew, if you have a 'net connection, the episodes are on ABC.com the next day. It's almost better than recording it.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I'm pretty certain the episodes on ABC are only available to those in the U.S., however.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
My mistake. I didn't really the site could distinguish where a viewer was. This is why I don't do tech...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
You might find something here that'll help, Matt. I've never used that forum, though so I don't know what's required.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I'm pretty certain the episodes on ABC are only available to those in the U.S., however.

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Yup. I can't watch them from Vancouver.
 

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Posted by rouge on :
 
I really didn't like Jack for the first part of season one, because he was too much of a cliche "hero" type. But they've really done a fantastic job of bringing him around as a deeply flawed character. From his arrogance to his "hero-complex" to his temper, he's certainly stepped out of the traditional mold. His current arc does suggest a tragic end, though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him go eventually.

Sawyer on the other hand is the opposite. I really liked him as the semi-villain, self-centered oppourtunist, but he's now suffering from "Spike Syndrome", where they take a highly popular and sexy bad boy and make him nice and sweet on the inside because they think that's what people want. Instead they've ruined a lot of what was appealing about the character.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Sawyer doesn't seem that sweet to me, but I'd like to see him run more cons. In a flashback, if nowhere else. The guy has to develop, though. And there's really no place for him to go but up. It'll be interesting to see how he acts on his next jungle trek.

I like that Jack has more flaws, I just wish the other characters noticed them. Kate in particular.

And Jack's hair is evil. It never changes. That's just wrong.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... I don't know about sweet, but I've actually never really seen Sawyer as a "bad boy", per se. At least not in the conventional sense.

Sawyer's main character trait is self-loathing. He hates himself and wants others to do so as well. I think the fact that he's actually much better than he wants to believe, and that other people intuitively pick up on this despite his efforts to make himself hated, is what makes the character endearing.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Very true. I've often wondered if he would have committed suicide if he killed the real Sawyer in Australia.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
So, how many theories did that little revelation blow out of the water? LOL
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
That was nuts!!!
 

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Posted by Stealth on :
 
:speechless:
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I think it just confirms something that we should already suspect... the Others have very powerful allies in the outside world. Powerful enough to Click Here For A Spoilerfake the recovery of the plane.
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
WTF? That was great!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Agree completely on that theory.

I'm really interested in how Mikhail survived. I wonder more and more if the 'increased sperm counts' and 'healing/survival' of so many Islanders isn't the island's way of coping with some larger problem--perhaps relating to the inability to create new life?

And very interested to see whats in store for Locke and Sawyer and the likely possiblity of their connection which we've all heard about. Locke says in the preview 'you kill him because I can't!'. And since Mikhail is still alive (maybe Locke knew all along he would be), he never actually killed him--and thus, we've never seen Locke kill anyone before. Since he's the only one left (along with Hurley and Clare), I wonder if his status as 'island's agent' is related to that. Maybe even more to what I just wrote above about the island actively trying to protect life on the island?

All and all, another good episode, and Sun had some great moments. Like I said though, I agree with Eryk's thoughts more than anything.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
That's what I'm thinking, too, EDE. How would someone Penny sent know about the island, but not about the crash?

And Jin's the Dad! I'm really happy about that.

Juliet want's samples from the women and she plans to get Kate's next? I hope Kate's not pregnant. I wonder how Juliet plans to get a sample (of blood, I presume) from Kate. Kate doesn't exactly trust her.

Edit: Here's a link to the promo, if anyone wants to see it again.

[ April 25, 2007, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
It also makes the question of what's going on with Michael and Walt really interesting. I mean... they can't just sort of show up and resume their own lives, not only because everyone believes that they are dead, but because they want to avoid talking about the island.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
How would someone Penny sent know about the island, but not about the crash?

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Maybe I'm missing something here because my Lost knowledge isn't encyclopedic, but if Penny sent this lady, why would there be any reason for her to assume that Desmond's disappearance is in any way related to the crash? He's been on the island for, what, three years? He was lost sailing around the world, right? If the world at large "knows" they're all goners, then she should be surprised!

Maybe I misunderstood you, Arachne!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
BTW, did anyone else cry when Sun found out about the baby's paternity? Maybe I'm just a big softy, but I shed some tears! Absolutely beautiful and heart-achingly sad at the same time. I hope she and the baby (and Jin, too, dammit!) survive. *choke*
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
--and thus, we've never seen Locke kill anyone before. Since he's the only one left (along with Hurley and Claire

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

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Originally posted by Arachne:
How would someone Penny sent know about the island, but not about the crash?

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Maybe I'm missing something here because my Lost knowledge isn't encyclopedic, but if Penny sent this lady, why would there be any reason for her to assume that Desmond's disappearance is in any way related to the crash? He's been on the island for, what, three years? He was lost sailing around the world, right? If the world at large "knows" they're all goners, then she should be surprised!

Maybe I misunderstood you, Arachne!

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Originally posted by Doctor One:

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
--and thus, we've never seen Locke kill anyone before. Since he's the only one left (along with Hurley and Claire

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I thought Hurley killed a bunch of people, accidentally. Isn't that why he ended up in the mental institution? I might have misunderstood...(and I missed this season's Hurley episode)

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Why was Naomi speaking in different languages?

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She was only speaking Italian. "I'm dying" in Italian and in Spanish is quite similar (something like mi muoro in Italian, me muero in Spanish), thus the confusion and the fact that Hurley understood her. Later on, she kept speaking in Italian.

So, I guess we have now an Italian on the island...

Let's see, we have Americans, Australians, Koreans, English, Scots, French, Italians, Russians, Iraqis, (dead) Nigerians and Brazilians (was Paolo actually Brazilian? or just the actor?) What else? Is this significant?

[ April 26, 2007, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Doctor One ]
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
this latest episode sounds great !! i just mad that i'm gonna have to wait a week and a half to see it [ i'm off on holiday this Saturday, and the episode airs on the Sunday !! ]

so what is MARSHA's status on the island, by the end of the episode ?? is she alive and living with them ?? or has something happened to her ??

please SPOIL me .... someone !!

cheers Matthew.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
She's alive. Presumably she'll be going back to camp with them.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... according to lostpedia, she spoke in Spanish, Chinese, Italian, and Portuguese.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Just what I was trying to say before the site went down.

Repost:

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:

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Maybe I misunderstood you, Arachne!

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I think the point is that it seems like Penny must have a pretty decent knowledge of the island in order to know how to look for it (monitoring for electromagnetic pulses). [/QB]

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Originally posted by Doctor One:

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Why was Naomi speaking in different languages?

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She was only speaking Italian. "I'm dying" in Italian and in Spanish is quite similar (something like mi muoro in Italian, me muero in Spanish), thus the confusion and the fact that Hurley understood her. Later on, she kept speaking in Italian.

So, I guess we have now an Italian on the island...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Arachne:
...and Jin said she was speaking Chinese at one point.

BTW, Apparently she wasn't thanking Patchy, she was telling him Click Here For A Spoiler"I'm not alone." [/QB]

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Hm. I thought Jin was the one speaking Chinese, testing whether she'd understand it. And she didn't (or am I misremembering?). And the Click Here For A Spoiler I'm not alone part was in Italian, wasn't it? I didn't pay any attention to the book, so I can't say anything about that. About the Portuguese, how sure are the Lostpedia people about this? I'm sceptical. Mostly because little snippets of Italian can sound like Portuguese to a Spanish ear. I certainly thought that all of it was Italian, not Portuguese. But I do wish I could listen to the whole thing again.

Weird.

[ April 27, 2007, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: Doctor One ]
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Well, I haven't looked into it too deeply (maybe later tonight), but I know for sure there are a lot of Portuguese and Brazilian Lost fans, so I think it's fairly certain.

I thought Jin was sating that he couldn't speak Chinese, but I didn't get that part recorded so I can't say for sure. (Didn't get the Kate scene, either. )
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
You know... it's kind of interesting that in the same episode that cleared up the matter of who the father of Sun's baby was, they cast doubt on who Jin's father was. I'm not sure of the significance of that, however.
 

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Posted by Disaster Boy on :
 
new favorite lost moment:


Jin's roundhouse!!!!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Jin's such a bad ass.

The "is Kate pregnant" debate rages on. Kind of hard to argue with those sperm counts, though. We really don't need another pregnant woman on this show.
 

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Posted by Disaster Boy on :
 
she must be pregnant. but i dont want kate pregnant...it would slow down her butt kicking.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Exactly!
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Why does Kate have to be pregnant? Just because the men are high rollers doesn't mean the women aren't infertile?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I hope you're right, but it depends on how strong the island's healing force is. There's a theory going around that the real reason Sawyer and Kate were captured was that they wanted Kate pregnant. We didn't see it but there was originally a scene in the season premiere where Kate was in an examining room, and we know they did blood tests on Kate. They could have been checking to see if she was fertile, or actually doing something to make her fertile like Juliet's sister.

There's also a theory that if Kate's pregnant, Sun won't survive.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
So a theory I developed after watching my Season One DVD and the previous Locke episode this season was confirmed. Not too shabby for a guy who hasn't seen Season Two yet (except for the finale)! Of course, with all the (apparent) coincedences on the show, I'm sure many of you guys guessed this long ago!
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
I have to admit, it didn't occur to me until this ep!

What secret could Jack be hiding from Kate? (It isn't something we already know is it?)
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I don't know, probably that he's got some secret plot against the Other's. Unless he's going bad. I just want to know when Kate's going to wake up and see what little respect he has for her.

Is that the Sawyer=Cooper theory? It's been around awhile, there's a hint about it on the season 2 dvds, I think. But good guess! Was Cooper even in season 1?
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Yeah, IIRC, the kidney thing was detailed in a Locke flashback ep in Season One. You surprise me, Arachne!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... I actually didn't think Sawyer would go through with it. If Cooper wasn't so cocky in his belief that he was already dead, he probably wouldn't have baited him into it.

I kind of got the impression that whatever Jack was hiding had something to do with what was blocking the transmission, but I don't know.

I loved the Locke/Rousseau scene, though. Wonder what she needs the dynamite for?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I'm still blanking on that, but you must be right if you haven't seen season two. Funny, I was just thinking I should watch season one again.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I loved the Locke/Rousseau scene, though. Wonder what she needs the dynamite for?

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My guess is she wants to blow something up.


 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Maybe Rousseau has a plan to get Alex back. Can't wait to find out.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
I'm still blanking on that, but you must be right if you haven't seen season two. Funny, I was just thinking I should watch season one again.

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Season One's great--I highly recommend it!


 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Hopefully, the guy who bought it tonight counts as one of the (at least) five character deaths the article I linked referred to!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yeah, I hope so. Eyeliner guy can go, too.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Yeah, what is UP with that eye-liner? This is now LOST's most important mystery!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
My theory: In the past Ben humiliated him by making him wear eyeliner, so now he wears it as a symbol of defiance!
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
Hey, I like eyeliner guy!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Tons of great stuff. I’ve said before Locke is my favorite character, this episode cemented that further than all the rest. I love his story and the path he is on. His father definitely ‘had it coming’. Good riddance (I love when TV shows make me feel like a vengeful bastard!) Ben and the Others were really interesting, including Cindy and the other Tailies/Kidnap-ies. The notion that they’re in hell, or purgatory, etc., was very powerful and made for a great episode. But the best part of the episode, in probably one of the top five spine-tingling moments in all of Lost, is when Sawyer here’s Locke’s Dad say “Tom Sawyer”, the music plays louder, his eyes focus tighter, and he looks at him and says “well, how about that? Sawyer’s my name too.” Phenomenally done. A flood of emotions hit me as a viewer, from anticipation of what we know is about to come, to feeling the sense of sadness of what this man has done to Sawyer’s life, to pure blood-thirsty vengeance knowing comeuppance is peaking its head from around the corner.

And then when Sawyer takes out the letter from his pocket (where of course he still had it), it was pure gold. Both actors pulled from depths I wasn’t sure they had…and well…wow.

Not only has Locke moved on in this episode to his own path, but now Sawyer finally has moved on, and allowed the grip of his old life to loosen. I feel that this was as much a turning point for Sawyer as Locke. Perhaps now, if Jack dies, Sawyer really will be able to be their leader, with this now in the past behind him?

Little things:
- Cool to see the Black Pearl again! Its cool now to know more of its history because of Lostipedia.com. (Magnus Hanzo was its captain, probably how he found the island—hope we see that next week!)
- Rosseau looking for dynamite? Alex, here she comes…
- Desmond sees Sayid enter the tent and you can see a sense of relief and happiness that its Sayid that has come, rather than Jack or someone else.
- I also love Desmond’s face when Naomi explains Penelope sent her there. Penelope truly is named after Odysseus wife, the beacon of fidelity.
- Both Hurley and Sawyer have been shown to read ‘Bad Twin’ where ‘Penelope Windmore’ is specifically named, as is Honzo I believe.
- Locke and Sawyer don’t really have that many scenes together over three seasons, but when they do, its usually packed with excellent acting, tension and drama.
- Kate and Sawyer really do belong together; high-lighted by when they’re not fighting and getting along.
- The first scene with Jack, where he tells Charlie to ‘sign him up’ for the next camping trip, really highlighted the sense that Jack is an outsider now, and because of all the time he’s spent away and with Juliet, there is a sense of loss and disconnect with the ‘everyday’ members of the Losties, like Charlie, Hurley, Claire, Rose, etc. (rather than the ‘Commando Losties’ like Sayid, Kate and Sawyer).
- Richard of the Others, continues to serve a very interesting function. Obviously high-up in the ‘hierarchy’, he maintains his ‘recruiter’ aspect even on the island. But he did seem genuine, and the notion that Locke is a potential ‘messiah’ to the Others because of his obvious deep connection to the island is intriguing. I wonder more about Walt now and his similarity to Locke in that aspect.

“We should tell her…” – so I wonder where that is leading?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
BTW, if anyone has a link to the trailer for next week's episode, I'd be very grateful!
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
I like how Locke's father immediately came to the theory that many audience members did - about them already being dead. The way he described it makes perfect sense from his point of view. (how many reasons could there be for finding oneself in a pirate ship in the middle of a jungle?)
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, this episode, like "Dave", definitely had that feel of flirting with fan theories.

I wonder how exactly he did end up on the island, though?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hopefully we'll find that out next week, as Locke learns about the island!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
No doubt Cooper's a bastard of the highest degree, but let's not hold Sawyer's mom and pop blameless either. And certainly, becoming a man just like Cooper (albeit one who stopped short one time when he saw there was a child involved) is certainly a twisted way to go about things.

Don't get me wrong, I like Sawyer, but his righteousness here shouldn't be taken for granted. I'm sure there are folks he's conned who'd like to put his neck in a noose.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
That's part of why Sawyer's story isn't over. His motivation isn't just that he wants revenge. It's that he hates himself for becoming like the very man who ruined his life. Sawyer has a *long* way to before he's solved his issues. It'll actually be interesting to see how he develops now that he's passed through this particular stage.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I agree. I like the possibilities for Sawyer after this ep. I was worried that if he didn't kill Cooper his story would be over, but I was also worried that if he did kill Cooper for revenge it would make him the bad guy. But I think we saw just how much Sawyer has grown since the beginning of the series, but it leaves a lot open for more stories, too.

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Originally posted by doublechinner:
Yeah, what is UP with that eye-liner? This is now LOST's most important mystery!

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Nah, the big mystery now is how the hell Sawyer's letter survived the raft expedition and the capture/torture by the Others.


Cobie, it's nice to hear your not upset with Locke. Most everyone is right now, it seems. Admittedly, putting Sawyer in that position was a rotten thing to do, but I'm still interested in Locke's journey. Everyone's mad a Kate right now, too, for telling Jack about Naomi. I don't really get that. I mean, it was wrong, but people's reactions seem way overboard to me.

And here's the promo. I meant to bookmark it for myself and post the link last night, but I forgot. Thank goodness for searchable histories.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Thanks Al!

I also don't get why people would be mad at Kate. Obviously they can't keep it from Jack forever, and there's probably a good amount he can do to help Naomi. Also, the only way to really get the scoop on Jack and Juliet is to confront the issue, which Kate is at least doing.

And yeah, I'm not upset at all with Locke . He did...well, what Locke does. He still did the right thing for the Losties and he gave Sawyer a chance to do something that he himself couldn't do. I'm really interested in his journey more than anything else right now.

Definatley agree that Sawyer has a long, long, long way to go, but like I said earlier, I do think this was a major turning point for him. In a way, Hurley tried the 'lovable' way of getting Sawyer to change, and Locke did the 'hateable' way to do it.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Ben's taking a pretty 'hateable' way to get people to change, too.

About Kate, some people think she's just using Sawyer for sex and doesn't really care about him. I think that's nuts, personally. The girls scared of commitment, that's all. She needs to feel she has a place to run to. And although I understand Sayid and the others being leery of Jack, I think it was a mistake to hide things from the rest of the camp. Kate breaking her word (if she gave or implied she gave it) was wrong, but Sayid wasn't entirely right, either. He's the one that thought keeping Michael's treason a secret, too, and look how that turned out.

That said, I still think Sayid's the best choice for leader. If he survives.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
To continue a thought from several pages ago:
Jack = Rokk
Sawyer = Garth
Kate = Imra
Locke = Brainiac 5
Charlie = Brin
Claire = Ayla
Jin/Sun = KK/Projectra - not to be stereotypical cuz of the asian thing, but Jin's devotion reminds me of KK's. And Sun's got nothing on Jeckie in terms of misleading people. She's also a princess of sorts - look at the way she threatened Jin's whoremother - very regal
Jin/Sun = Jo/Tinya - I can also see this very easily because she comes from privelege and he's from humble beginnings and has that gangster past (there's also the whoremother thing which is similar to the twoboot Jo)
Hurley = Bouncing Boy
Desmond = Mon-el (there's a darkness, the whole being isolated for a long time thing and being displaced in time thing)

[ May 04, 2007, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: DrakeB3004 ]
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Okay, so I was playing around with the pause button on the promo and came up with this:



Any ideas? It might be eyeliner guy, but I'm not sure. There's a freaky looking doll in the promo, too, but I couldn't catch it.

Edit: A friend found me these screencaps. They don't have the guy, but they've got the doll.

[ May 05, 2007, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Certainly looks like Eyeliner Guy to me.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Why do they need a leader? Have they decided to stay and create a new society? Jack was the leader by default- people HAD to come to him because he was a doctor and could fix their injuries. But since season 1, they've all pretty much done what they wanted. Sayid seems to be the only one listening to Jack anymore.

If they need a new boss, I'm all for Desmond taking charge. He really stepped up a couple weeks back when he organinzed the "camping trip."
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Anyone heard the latest? Lost is renewed for three more seasons after which it will end. Each season will only be 16 episodes each, running without repeats. At least that's what Variety is reporting.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
That sounds about right for what I've heard they wanted to do. Actually, I thought it was supposed to be (5) seasons, so its good that we'll get (6). I guess it comes out to the around the same number of episodes though.

I really don't know much about how the ratings are, but I can't see it doing badly. I hope this is story-related reasoning than rating-related.

BTW, yeah, that looks like Eye-liner guy to me too Arachne.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
His fangirls concur.

Yeah, I think the new plan is story related. I think the creators really wanted to know when it would end so they could pace it right. The first plan I hear was for a season and a half. That'd be about 33 episodes. With this plan we get 48 over three. seasons. So we're coming out ahead.

CJ, I don't think Sayid's listening to Jack much anymore. As for why they need a leader, most of the time they don't, but there's always decisions no one wants to make.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
But I don't see Sayid leading people. He seems more like a good 1st, but not the BMOC type.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
The last ep really highlighted my deepening hatred of Jack. I'm tired of the hypocritical moralizing, the secrets, the macho posturing, the manipulations....I really hope that somehow he gets some sort of comeuppance.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 

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Originally posted by the boy with UltraPowers:
this latest episode sounds great !! i just mad that i'm gonna have to wait a week and a half to see it [ i'm off on holiday this Saturday, and the episode airs on the Sunday !! ]

so what is MARSHA's status on the island, by the end of the episode ?? is she alive and living with them ?? or has something happened to her ??

please SPOIL me .... someone !!

cheers Matthew.

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The last ep really highlighted my deepening hatred of Jack. I'm tired of the hypocritical moralizing, the secrets, the macho posturing, the manipulations....I really hope that somehow he gets some sort of comeuppance.

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isn't it funny how everyones reactions to JACK's character has changed through the course of this season !!

i wonder if JACK will redeem himself by the finale ?? and everyone will see him as the 'hero' he was portrayed to be in the 1st season ??

i read a while ago that MATTHEW FOX and JOSH HOLLOWAY didn't get on !!?? [ not sure what to believe, as alot of this nonsense to hype, i think !!?? ]

but i read that FOX was trying to get HOLLOWAY's character killed off, beacause he had been given a more 'behind the scenes' roll !!

but i'd have to say out of the 2 characters [ JACK & SAWYER ] i'd say that SAWYER has had much more SCREEN time season !!?? don't you think ??

so what gives ......

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
btw ... i thought the scenes that MARSHA was in this last episode were great, loved the bit with SAYID and her telling him, not for her to RESCUE him 'next time' !!

although MARSHA hasn't been able to tell me any secrets or spoilers i do FEAR that her character won't be alive by the season finale !!?? especially in-light of the 5 characters that are rumoured to be killed off !!??

i hope i'm wrong ...... i'd love for her to remain on the island [ and to star in season 4 ]

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Well. That was quite and ending.

Um, Sawyer eps. Confidence Man, and Outlaws from season one. The Long Con from season two. You might want to check out Whatever the Case May Be and Born to Run from season one, they're Kate eps, but Sawyer's pretty prominent. (Right off the top of my head, can you tell he's one of my favourites, too? )

I think the stories about Fox and Holloway not getting along are just rumours. There are rumours that Fox wants to leave the show, too.

I really like Naomi, too, Matt, and we need more girls on this show.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
Hm. People 'see' things on the island. But not all people, only some. The ones that are good (I don't quite know what that means, though, but killing people on purpose is certainly a no-no). Walt. Hurley. now Locke. Shannon. Eko, at the end (I guess he redeemed himself). Desmond. and, funnily, Kate (the horse). If you are bad, you see a monster. Ben took Locke to Jacob because he thought he had killed his father, and so would not be able to see him. Children need to be taken away as soon as possible, because they will be able to see Jacob. And Ben does not want that. So I'm starting to think that this business of women dying during pregnancy is a hoax, it's all about the children. And Kate is not actually a bad person...

As to why Ben sees Jacob, well, that's the chink in my theory. He is most certainly a creep.

I'm not worried about Locke. He'll heal, and later on will give Ben one of the biggest scares of his life.

[ May 10, 2007, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: Doctor One ]
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Holy Sh*t!

What in the world just happened? Ben is cold hearted. I mean really.

Lost keeps getting better and better.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Wow.

I'm kind of in shock.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Great, great episode. Definately a very freaky and creepy sequence with 'Jacob' and definately a WTF? ending.

I hope Locke isn't dead, as he's my favorite. I feel like it wouldn't be far-stetched for him to return before the season ends, given his role on the island. But great sequence.

Tons of questions on Jacob.

So, Richard remains the 'recruiter'? Interesting.

The truth behind the 'incident' and the end of Dharma--holy crap, that was awesome! Some real, God-honest answers, and we see just how fearsome Ben really is. That leaves TONS and TONS of questions about the Others. I wonder if they'll ever spell out stuff about Dharma that are obvious to people who have spent hours upon hours reading up on things online, but impossible to figure out to people who just watch the show?

Looking forward to the rest of the season! Honestly, that was pretty freakin' awesome! I'm in shock still.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I just love it that the skeletal Roger in the van with the beer was Ben's dad. Awesome!

It's possible Ben PRETENDS to talk to Jacob, but doesn't. I freeze-framed Jacob as best I could with my cable-issue DVR. Scrawny old man with bushy, receding hair.

Interesting that Richard hasn't really aged. And who are the "Hostiles" really, now? They're not just rogue Dharmas, not originally, not all of them. Did they come on the Black Rock?

Also, wonder if Ben's gas attack killed Annie as well? He still has her doll. More will come of this, I think.

Now we know why Ben wanted (and not) John to kill his father--more proof of John following in Ben's footsteps, possibly to replace him.

Fun stuff. It really looks like a climactic confrontation. Will this be the end of the Others? Given all the intensity of the story with the Others, it's hard to see it continuing next year.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I was thinking as I went to sleep last night...

Here you have Benjamin, a man starts off on one side and chooses another (kind of like being born a Hebrew, and becoming a Roman). A man who claims a kingship by virtue of his supposed relationship with a "Jacob." A man who may fear children and go to great lengths to kill them. A man who, when confronted with someone who may be a true "son" of the island and leader, tries to kill him, causing him to "descend to the dead" in the pit. Look for John Locke to return on the "third day." If I were Saul, I mean Herod, I mean Ben, would watch my back.

(FYI, Wikipedia says King Saul was a member of the tribe of Benjamin!)

This has been today's episode of "Pop Biblical Analogies for a Penny."
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
You realize doublechinner, that you've now led me to believe there will many more episodes to come, and I now consider you *the* source of Pop Biblical Analogies
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Has Jacob been referred to in Lost before? I'm getting that vibe from many of you. If so, spill!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Jacob has been referred to a number of times this season.

Jack was said "not to be on Jacob's list" when the Others had him in captivity.

Ben said something about having Jacob cure Juliet's sister's cancer.

"God loves you as he loved Jacob" was also part of Karl's brainwashing film.

It's almost certain the Jacob = the mysterious "Him" that's been referred to by the Others as their leader beginning last season.
 

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Posted by Owl Lad on :
 
What's up with Richard appearing in Ben's flashback when he was a child? Are we supposed to believe that's a younger version of Richard? Was it supposed to be Richard's father? The current Richard looks younger than the current Ben!

Is it possible that the secret of the island is immortality to its residents? Perhaps Richard hasn't aged since he met Ben as a child. Perhaps it will be revealed that Locke was somehow born on this island or his mother was. Do we know anything about her anyway?

I don't buy it that Locke bites it either. He will heal.

Doublechinner: totally loved your biblical analogy! makes me want to look into other allusions the show may contain, like the island as an Eden of sorts with Lucifers all around...
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Glad you enjoyed it. I'm hardly a biblical expert. Maybe I should use the summer hiatus to re-read the good book.

EDE's rundown on Jacob was really useful, especially the "list" part. 'Cause, was the list REALLY coming from Jacob, or Ben saying it was from Jacob?

There has to be some sort of internal struggle about the island that centers on Ben. After all, we know the island cures profound illnesses and injuries. And yet Ben developed a lethal spine tumor. AND then a plane with a spine surgeon fell out of the sky. It is as if one or personalities, with Ben being one, is struggling to control the island's power. Jacob's "Help Me" plea suggests that he's not too thrilled with the current situation.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
OK guys, more pop-Biblical Analogies.

As you may recall, Jacob (also named Israel) was the forefather of the tribes of Israel, named after his sons (which may therefore connect him to Battlestar Galactica as well. DOh!).

Jacob had 2 wives, sisters Rachel and Leah. Rachel died giving birth to Jacob's 12th son, named, you guessed it, Benjamin!

Biblical Jacob is of course fascinating and complicated, like our Lost characters. While he was officially beloved of God (only person in Old Testament where the Big Guy said "I love him, man.") But, he also struggled with God (which is what "Yisrael" means). And his life was full of exiles, betrayals, and deaths of loved ones. So, a good name for a Lost character.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Last one today (maybe),

Benjamin, son of Rachel and Jacob, was born on the road! His name means son of my right hand. As you may recall, Jacob's other sons gave Joseph a tough time, but Benjamin refrained. In fact, Benjamin was instrumental in TESTING the other sons to see if they had left their wickedness behind. Despite being a generally decent fellow by all accounts, Jacob's deathbed blessing on Benjamin was "Benjamin is a ravening wolf, in the morning he devours the prey, in the evening he snatches a share of the spoil. (Genesis 49:27)" Benjamin's tribe later instigated a civil war with the other tribes of Israel, which almost exterminated the Benjaminites. Later, the Benjamins and the Judah were the only tribes to survive the Babylonian Exile, with the other tribes becoming the "Lost."
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Cool. A lot of food for thought there, doublechinner.

I've heard in various places that Jack and James are both names derived from Jacob. (Might have read it here, but I don't know right now.)

I was looking to confirm that and came up with this. I knew some of the characters were based on people, but I didn't know that one was.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
And if anyone wants to see it, the promo is here.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
The latest episode was AMAZING! What a jaw-dropper! I think it's in the running for best of the season actually! I especially loved the supernatural element that was introduced via Jacob! The finale looks like it's shaping up to be awesome too! A battle between the two groups? Can't wait!

Checking out the Timeline on Lostpedia I notice that this episode took place over December 22/23. That means the finale and big showdown should all happen around the 25th. Who wants to bet there's gonna be some sort of Christmas reference in there somewhere?

I know it's probably not going to happen but I wish the storyline with the Others would be done after this season. I'm ready to see the back of them.

I wish we could see new threats and challenges emerge for our Losties. More 'unknown' kinda stuff like in the first season. Like that "illness" or whatever it was that took out Rousseau's team. We've never had that explained have we? Or maybe a natural disaster like the Tsunami could hit? I read somewhere that the date that that occurred on is coming up in the Lost universe. That would make an exciting episode if they were to incorporate it. Or maybe some new villains. Not sure where they'd come from though.

I'm still loving this show but part of me feels like it needs an injection of something 'new'. The Jacob thing was a good start though and I can't wait to see where they go with it!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I believe that the producers have said that Christmas will be celebrated during the fourth season.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Blacula, I believe the Tsunami hit right on New Year's Day (actually now I'm not sure given time differences, etc.). I really can't see them doing that on the show though.

I'm interested in the four toed statue for upcoming seasons!
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Blacula, I believe the Tsunami hit right on New Year's Day (actually now I'm not sure given time differences, etc.). I really can't see them doing that on the show though.

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The Tsunami hit 12/26/2004.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
really cool episode. Biblical Jacob was also a twin I think. Did the mother have another child in her?

Ben is evil.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... I just saw a spoiler from a Michael Emerson interview re: Locke's fate.

It looks like there's a pretty clever connection between what happens to him after being shot and something in his past...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Links!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Okay.


Michael Emerson Interview, Extremely Spoilerific!
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
Rousseau's team arrived 15 yrs ago, maybe they were wiped out by the others the same way the others wiped out the entire settlement. Ben would have been a teen so i dont know how that would all tie in.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Must... resist... urge... to read... interview...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Thanks Eryk!

I'm debating whether I should click on it.

Ah hell, I know I will.

... ...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
ok, so its something that a lot of us (me included) thought was a very real possibility, given the nature of the show, so its not *too* bad of a spoiler.

Man, that actor is just so perfect for the role they've cast him in!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
It's not surprisingly what happens, but the why is something I had considered, and is pretty groovy!
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
Out of curiousity, but wasnt The Other that Sun killed named Annie?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
No, that was Coleen.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
OOoo - You all have me so intrigued. Can't wait to see what's coming up.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 

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No, that was Coleen.

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whoops my mistake, but for some reason i think i have heard the name before now, bah maybe it was a co worker of mine.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Annie was the Alias used by Kate in Australia.

I don't think it's significant, however.

Slightly more interesting is the fact that Ben and Locke both have mothers named "Emily".
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Must... resist... spoilers....
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Jacob

 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Creepy, huh? I didn't notice him the first time, but I saw him on the second viewing. Can't wait to find out more about him.

Okay, read the death spoilers at DarkUFO. I'm so weak. Could be better could be worse. I'm surprised Click Here For A SpoilerCooper isn't an the list of five.Two females going, though. That makes me nervous.

Evangeline Lilly has blond highlights now. Theoretically because of the movie she's doing over the hiatus.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I'm avoiding death spoilers.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Probably wise. There's a sneak peek up at ABC. Jack's hair is growing out! But I like hating Jack's hair!! This is so unfair.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
So how does committing murder affect one's status on the island? How can Ben be one of the "good guys" if he's committed at least one, and indirectly responsible for so many others?
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
WOW WOW WOW !!!

amazing episode last night [ here in the UK ]loved seeing BEN arriving on the island, and the fact that he joined with RICHARD's 'people' in killing of all the DHARMA people !!!

wasn't ANNIE the person that JULIET was taken to in handcuffs [ she was quite stern, and seemed to be important within the 'OTHERS' camp !? her hairstyle was a BLONDE BOB !! ]

can't wait for the next 3 episodes ..... not sure if we'll get 1 more and then the 'double' season FINALE, or if they'll show them over the next 3 weeks ???

btw .... loved MARSHA again with her response don't you want to get rescued from this island

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The "sheriff" that oversaw Juliet's trial was Isabel.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Females available for dying- Sun, Rose, Claire, Kate, Juliet & Marsha (sorry, forgot her name.)

It'd be a shame to lose any of them, as the ladies are outnumbered on the island, and some of the more intriguing characters and talented actors.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
There's Isabel, Alex, Daniel and Penny, too.

It's also possible one of the females is someone who dies in the flashback.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Hmm, possibly two more females to add to the list.

I'm not sure I trust that death spoiler anymore, though. It's certainly a reliable source, but it could have been put out intentionally. I think there was a case where they flat out said someone wasn't going to die and then they did, this could be the other way around.

Great ep, but I was close to tears through the whole thing. And that's not like me.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
it was an excellent episode, please dont kill the hobbit, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I know! I'm not even a big fan of him, but I don't want him to die. If they let him live I'll even put up with Charlie/Claire sex!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Promo's up.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Great ep, but I was close to tears through the whole thing. And that's not like me.

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I didn't really get the point of Charlie clocking Desmond. I mean... Desmond was volunteering to go in his place, but wouldn't simply telling him "no" have accomplished the same thing?

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Yes, either that or just jumping in the water...
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Really good ep. It was nice to see Charlie's best moments and they all lead to this moment. Although, just when I'd stopped thinking of him as "that guy from Lord of the Rings", there's that scene with his brother and the ring...

My Looking Glass theory: one of the women is Annie -- Ben hid her there from the others and told them that the place was flooded to safeguard her.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Ohhh... Good theory!! I think that blond woman did look a bit like her.
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
I was just thinking Ben had her stashed somewhere but I didn't think of her being in the Looking Glass. With Ben I assumed she was frozen, Ted Williams style or something. I figure his attempts to solve the Island's fatal pregnancy syndrome was related to her.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
another brilliant episode, can't wait see more of CHARLIE in 'The Looking Glass' station [ but is he fated to DIE ??? ]

loved the scene with MARSHA tellling Charlie about his 'Greatest Hits' CD !! and the fact that she said she was from Manchester and they mention the 'Night & Day' bar on Oldham Street !!!

it's not a place i go to, but i do walk past it every Thursday, on the way to my COMIC SHOP, it's just over the road from it !!!

and i just can't wait for next week's FINALE !!!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Well, I've sworn off spoilers for now, but there was one awhile back that said Click Here For A Spoiler Charlie was going to die. I'm not sure I believe it anymore, though. I heard last night that massive spoilers would be released today, but I'm not going near them.

Very cool that they're referencing real places.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
So...shall we handicap (without benefit of spoilers) who's going to die Wednesday night? The producers promised five deaths for May a few weeks ago. If Locke's pop counts as one of them, that leaves at least four. I'm going to go for five since no one was sad to see that creep go.

First, here are a list of characters (in no particular order) I believe are in danger:

Charlie
Rose
Bernard
Naomi
Desmond
Rousseau
Karl
Mikhail
Tom
Jack
Sayid
Richard "Eyeliner Guy"
Ben

I believe Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, Yin, Claire(and Aaron), Locke (despite his predicament when last we saw him) and Juliet are all safe. It's just my gut feeling when I look at these characters and see how things are setting up.

Since the producers said "May" specifically, I'm taking that as gospel that the immediate fates of the characters will be revealed Wednesday and not left to a cliffhanger when season 4 starts.

Here are my top five predictions from most likely to least likely:

Richard
Rose
Bernard
Karl
Jack

The actor who plays Richard is getting a role in the Batman sequel and will be starring in a new fall TV show, so I think he's a lock.

Rose and Bernard were awfully prominent last episode to not have appeared all season. I think both will die together after all they've been through.

Karl looked like big time cannon fodder to me as he suddenly reappeared. I think the kid's toast.

Jack could be the big, super-splashy death. We've speculated a lot on this one the last few weeks, and you've talked me into it. The finale is a Jack episode and that often translates to six-feet under in pivotal Lost episodes. I'm not totally sure about it, and it would take some major scrote on ABC's part to make that happen. Losing the guy who's at least one-third the face of the show would be a risky move.

My gut tells me Charlie will survive because doing this an episode after what would've been his perfect sendoff would seem anticlimactic. And I just think the producers are messing with us on that one big time. I could certainly be wrong, though.

If Jack survives, I'd say it would have to be Sayid, Charlie or Desmond (in that order) to make a splash shockwise.

I also wouldn't be terribly surprised if Locke makes his dramatic return by giving Ben some lethal payback and taking Ben's place in Othersville. It'd certainly be a dramatic spot for Locke's first (known) kill, eh?

What's your pet theory about who's buyin' it Wednesday?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Jack-- As I've said before, if he's going to go, this is his time. But I'm not feeling it at the moment. Let's say 20-1 odds.

Kate-- She's safe. 100-1 odds.

Sawyer-- A little worried about him, but, at the end of the day, I think he's safe. 30-1 odds.

Sayid-- As I've said before, I think he's expendable at this point, and, from the previews, it definitely looks like the three shooters are going to be in danger. 15-1 odds.

Hurley-- Safe. 1000-1 odds.

Locke-- His story isn't over. 100-1 odds.

Jin-- Like Sayid, in danger, and I could actually see the tension added to Sun's story if he died. 20-1.

Sun-- The fact that she's dying seems to tell against her dying. 80-1.

Charlie-- I agree it would be anti-climatic at this point, but he's still in serious danger. An the thing with Desmond's visions needs to be resolve somehow. He's still the character I'd be least surprised to see die. 10-1.

Claire-- Slight possibility of her dying based on Charlie changing the picture, but very slight. 80-1.

Desmond-- Too much back story left to be told to realistically die. Plus, he seems pretty key to Libby's as yet untold story, which also speaks to him being safe. However, the sacrificing himself to save Charlie seems like a real possibility. 40-1.

Rose-- She's the voice of the non-main cast survivors. Since Nikki and Paulo didn't last, I'm pretty certain she's safe. 100-1.

Bernard-- In danger as one of the shooter, plus one of the promos makes it sound ominous for him, but I'm doubting they'll kill the last of the "Tailies". 80-1.

Naomi-- Right now she's screaming fodder, but I'm hoping she makes it into the main cast for next season. 10-1.

Rousseau-- Since we've been promised her flashbacks at some point, and haven't yet got them, I'm pretty positive she's safe. 200-1.

Cindy-- Unlikely, since she hasn't even been seen in promos for the episode, but it actually makes sense that she could be caught in the crossfire of a Losties/Others war. 100-1.

Alex-- She's way too cool to die. 100-1.

Karl-- He's kind of whiny and annoying, but I don't think he's going anywhere. 50-1.

Juliet-- I actually think things aren't looking all that great for her. I'm not convinced there's all that much more backstory to be told, and having her among the survivors gives them a little too much information. 15-1.

Ben-- He's not going anywhere, at least until we learn what happened to Annie. Clear untold stuff in his backstory means he's safe. 100-1.

Tom-- I have to say, I think he's a goner. His role with the Others has been pretty diminished since Ben was introduced, and he's popular enough that his death would have impact. 15-1.

Richard-- I agree that the evidence points to him dying, or at least being written out of the cast in some manner. 15-1.

Mikhail-- Well, he's already died once, but he seems to be the whipping boy in every episode he's been in. 20-1.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I think Desmond's visions will stop now that Charlie has completed his task. Des has just been body guarding him, sort of.

As for the dead pool:

Rose & Bernard - they've been brought back because viewers like them as opposed to other recurring characters. That doesn't bode well with the Reaper approaching. I'm afraid she might bid adieu, and that give Bernard some pathos to work out next season.

Charlie & Claire - the Others want her, they don't want her dead. And Hobbit has had death lingering over him, almost a sure sign he won't die.

Desmond - he's the new Jack. Viewers have taken to him. I like him, but I also like the doctor. His odds are diametrically opposite of Jack's.

Jack - He's had a target since the pilot. He's been the leader, but now he's the outcast (just when he steps up as the boss too.) It would solve the love triangle and put the fear of Others back in the camp.

Kate - She was a favourite of JJ's. But with him gone, she's fair game. Still, I think she's the viewers favourite character. Her and Naomi could have that Jack/Desmond dynamic.

Naomi - Too new. We wouldn't care about her death (no offense to her friends here.)

Sun & Jin - Not a chance. No argument needed or wanted. <insert stern looking smiley here>

Sayid - I do agree they haven't done much with him this season. But he's still my favourite. He's the one keeping these people alive.

Sawyer - He has all kinds of reasons to stay. But he's also been the whipping boy on the island. And more than Jack, his death would shake EVERYONE.

Hurley - No.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Gawd--I hope since everyone's convinced Hurley's safe that we haven't doomed him! If the creators are evil enough, they'll realize he's the most unexpected death! Eep!

(And they wouldn't have to worry about continually explaining why he never loses weight!)

Hopefully, I'm just being paranoid here.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I said, "NO!"
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Just caught the latest episode online to prepare for tomorrow! Wow...what a great episode. They really touched some emotional cords. Great Hurley/Charlie scene, great Charlie/Claire scene and really great Desmond/Charlie scenes.

The scene were Charlie saves the girl in the alley was really touching. Perhaps it was the mood the first 30 minutes conveyed, but I was really hit by that with emotion.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
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NO !!!

i really hope Naomi [ MARSHA ] makes it into season 4 [ and as i have no 'inside info' from her ] i'll have to wait until the finale to see if she survives ???

it's gonna kill me having to wait till SUNDAY night to watch it !!!

i've promised myself not to read any of the posts [ this evening following the showing of the episodes in the US, but i don't know if i can that strong to resist the SPOLIERS ........... ]

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
It's definitely Jack all the way through, Cobie. His flashback isn't resolved at the end of the first half.

And, yes, I have seen the first half. CTV's making me wait until 10est for the rest of it. Damn it, I haven't been this jumpy in ages!
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Holy Mother!

Jack's flashback -Click Here For A Spoiler its a flash forward! !

And Click Here For A Spoiler is Charlie really dead?

We have to wait until next year!

Nooooooo!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
That was definitely an incredible episode!

I'm wondering where they're going to go from here!
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Who's funeral did Jack go to?
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
Wow. That was amazing. The advertisements were certainly right: everything changes.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
And we have to wait till February to find out how!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
Who's funeral did Jack go to?

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My guess is Locke.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I was thinking Juliet. Would Locke leave the island? How much of a time jump forward do you think they went? I don't know that I like this.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Locke may not have a choice, given that it looks like the island may very well have been taken over by people who shouldn't have it.

I was thinking that his funeral would trigger Jack's whole "we weren't supposed to leave" breakdown in front of Kate.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Makes sense. If it's any of the main Losties, though, Jack better find away to go back and fix it.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
the whole time you watch jack's flashback u figure its a backstory only to find out that its a flashforward.
Ok, so why was jack telling the doctor to bring his father downstairs. I am confused, why would he ask for his father if he knows he is dead and he knows that the hospital knows that Dr. Sheppard sr. is deceased.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Maybe his sense of time (present/past/future) is all screwed up. Like Desmond's when he went into the past.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
This episode was so awesome!

Hurley kicking ass!

I seriously thought they'd killed all three hostages!

Charlie talking to Penny!

The Alex/Rousseau reunion!
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
Meh. That's all I can say right now. One watches shows like this by maintaining the fantasy that things will work out for one's beloved characters. Now we know that they don't. Big time. And as pathetic as Jack has been for most of the show, tonight was just excruciating. I honestly don't know if I have it in me to watch again in February. I thoroughly understand the need to shake up the show, but showing a drug-addicted, suicidal Jack after the island, just makes you realize that these characters never learn nothin' and that's the way the writers want it. And Kate? Man, she looked awful. Enough makeup to star in phantom of the opera. Ick!

OK, who's in the coffin? It looked really small to me. Only two characters on the show could die and have NO ONE to mourn them in the real world: Locke and Benjamin. Even Juliet would have her sister/nephew/etc. And the coffin seemed to small for Locke.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I accidentally got spoiled for the last scene. I was really hoping it was wrong. I don't know if I want the show to change that much.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
i believe because its Desmond's flashforward, that Desmond changes everything. There is still hope for the return of the hobbit.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
BTW, SPOILERS BELOW...

I wonder what this means though. Was this a 'possible' future that we might see from time to time? Will the show change drastically by next season--man, I hope that, that would SUCK! I guess we'll have to wait and see.

But other than that, this episode was great! Great moments for all! Hurley to the rescue! Sayid in hell-badass mode! Sawyer reminding us he's not as forgiving as the rest! Walt! Locke having a great scene! Naomi revealed as something different! Death everywhere! Many emotional moments. Despite Jack's pathetic-ness in the future, he was very strong this episode in 'real time'. I felt that for the first time in awhile. The Rosseou/Alex stuff was great.

But of course, the real shocker of the episode was Charlie. What a great last two episodes with him. He was not only brave and heroic, but dashing and funny. And his friendship with Desmond, and moreso Hurley and of course Claire continued to shine in this episode. And then when he makes the sign of the cross at the end...it was really powerful. I'm reminded more of Eko's storyline more than ever.

PS - Mikhail = baddest ass villain so far! C'mon, we all totally saw him not being dead!

PPS - Ben & Juliet survive to next season! We'll see what that means for them I guess...though I wouldn't be surprised if their days were still numbered.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by THE LABRADORIAN:
the whole time you watch jack's flashback u figure its a backstory only to find out that its a flashforward.
Ok, so why was jack telling the doctor to bring his father downstairs. I am confused, why would he ask for his father if he knows he is dead and he knows that the hospital knows that Dr. Sheppard sr. is deceased.

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Originally posted by Arachne:
How much of a time jump forward do you think they went?

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Originally posted by Arachne:
16? There's 48 episodes left. I think I'm misunderstanding you.

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Sixteen episodes next season.

Then they make it back to the island.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Ah, I see. That could work.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
So, why did Charlie have to die? Wouldn't it have been smarter to make a run for it and try to swim out of the Looking Glass before it flooded? Surely Desmond would have swum out, too. I think knowing his 'fate' closed up his mind regarding other possibilities...

I guess we can add Hurley, Bernard and maybe Locke (depending on Naomi's recuperating abilities) to the list of people who have killed on the island. However, I'm starting to doubt that this has any significance whatsoever.

I really liked this ending, it was completely unexpected. And it does open up the show to many good things. Next season will surely be different. And I like it, mostly because I just know that many losties will return to the island, this time voluntarily. I can't wait to see the circumstances leading to that.

[ May 24, 2007, 02:34 AM: Message edited by: Doctor One ]
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
Maybe, but how much can they do on the island when the rescues so close? I still don't know what to think about this. I hope we get interviews or something soon.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:

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Originally posted by Arachne:
Maybe, but how much can they do on the island when the rescues so close? I still don't know what to think about this. I hope we get interviews or something soon.

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Jillikers, I know! We need interviews ASAP! Everyone please post links here for those of us with internet compasses and maps that don't work!

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I really think that the focus will shift off-island for the next season, as we explore the reasons that the different characters have for wanting to come back. There might be a few that stay (Danielle, Locke, Ben and probably some of the Others, and they'll really have their hands full with whoever the newcomers are), but the majority of Losties will leave. After next season I'm sure that we'll have more than just a few of them on-island again.
 

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Posted by rouge on :
 
So I think at least the first few episodes will be Jack getting his shit together and then "Getting the Band Back Together". Obviously, he's got all the resources he needs with a "Golden Ticket" and three very wealthy contacts (Hurley, Sun and Penny [assuming Desmond gets out of there too]). Gives the creators a good platform to selectively bring cast back and jettison those whose stores are finished.

So I imagine Naomi and company are Dharma folks and they move right back into their old digs but with even more security while Richard and the Others resume their roles as Guerrilla/Invisible warriors. The wildcard is Locke. Does he join/lead the Others, or is he a free agent like Rousseau?

Other questions:

Does Alex stay with Rousseau or does she leave with the Losties?

Anyone else get left behind?

Will we get to see what happened to Ben? Did he die in prison?

How did Kate get out of her murder conviction?

If Rose leaves is she sick now?

Who planted the fake wreckage?

Is the Island public knowledge now?

Was it really Walt (and if it's the beast/ghost, does that mean the real Walt's dead? I can't remember any other live person appearing in a vision to people on the Island)?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Didn't Jack say something about "having to lie"? Presumably about the island?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
My theory on person in casket = Sawyer, cheating death somehow via a con (we never saw a body). He has no one that would be there, and Kate is cold to him for some unknown reason as of yet unrevealed (he also has no other friends/etc.).

I think its too early to say what season four will be like, but I wouldn't be surprised if it opens with them on the island still and showing us how they got off, even if that is the new flashback sequences all season. With real time being them making their way back. But we could be wrong...it might be that the finale we just saw is the new blueprint and we'll see 'real time' being what its been all along, with flash-forwards. I know I'm curious.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
i dont believe the show is going off island, that was why they showed that flashforward so we know that its not a good future, but it seems only a bad future for jack no one else.
As for the person in the casket, there are 2 people on the island that would possibly have no one show up for the funeral, 1.Sawyer, but my guess is Kate would have showed up and she told jack that "he would be wondering where she is", my belief is she was talking about sawyer.
2. Julliet, who would go to her funeral, Jack would.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Sawyer and Juliet were my first thought about the funeral. However, I think if it was Sawyer Kate would have had a different reaction, and Hurley would probably have shown up. If it was Juliet that'd certainly explain why Jack was so upset, but where is her sister? The most common theories seem to be that it's Locke or Ben.

As for Kate being out of jail, Hurley might of used his money to get her out, or she could have a new identity. It's been suggested that "he" is someone she's using to keep her out.

I don't think they can go off island, at least not for long. When this show started there were a lot of comments on the island being a character in itself, so I think plot will have to continue to revolve around it.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Someone got a screencap of the newspaper clipping.

Definitely a man, the first name starts with Jo, I think. Looks like you called it Eryk.

EDIT: Hmm, it says ...antham of New York. Wonder what that means.

[ May 24, 2007, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The coffin seems to be freakishly small, for what's it worth. I didn't notice the first time around, but re-watching it today it looks like it's got to be someone fairly short.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yeah, I noticed it when I re-watched, too. I thought it might be something to do with the camera angles. Some people are saying it's Walt. I don't know, could Locke have had his legs amputated?

Another thing I noticed the second time around was Charlie crossing himself at the end. That really got to me.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
There's an interview with Damon Lindelof up. I don't think it's going to explain much. (Haven't finished reading it yet.)
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
isnt John's last name Locke?
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Yep. Hence the "Hmm..." Some of the Losties may have gotten new identities, I suppose, but that'd mean it could be anyone. (Well, anyone male.)
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I've seen "Jeremy Bentham" suggested as the name.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I've seen that, too, but the name doesn't mean anything to me.

Lindelof says the triangle will end. [does a little dance]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Bentham, like Locke and Hume, was a British philosopher. He's most famous as one of the founders of Utilitarian moral theory. His body is preserved in a chair at one of the Universities in London, kind of like Jacob.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Ew. LOL Yeah, that sounds like something the writers would do. Using the name I mean, not preserving someone in a chair. Although...
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
I also think that Locke is the man in the coffin. If Jack is now desperately trying to go back to the island, Locke would have been a really important ally, he is very in-tune with the island and surely would have wanted to go back more than anybody else. But the more important thing is that obviously Jack thinks that he did Locke wrong by getting him rescued. Learning that he died could well have been the last straw in making him suicidal.

And Locke really doesn't have anyone to attend his funeral, does he?

As to why the coffin is that short, I don't know. But I have a feeling that next season is going to be really, really depressing. Jack on his way to that sorry state we saw him at. Hurley's bad luck will probably come back. So will Rose's cancer. Locke, if taken off the island, is going to be devastated. One winner, for sure, is going to be Sun, her baby will probably be born all right. By the way, if that is true, wouldn't hers be the first baby conceived on-island that didn't die before birth? That would make it quite special, wouldn't it? Maybe he'll be born particularly powerful. Or particularly weak. Or both. Something to do with the baby would probably really motivate Sun and Jin to want to go back...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hm...I can't see Locke actually leaving though. And he would probably have his former lover from Season One show up at his funeral (in theory). What was her name?
 

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Posted by rouge on :
 

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Originally posted by Doctor One:
I also think that Locke is the man in the coffin. If Jack is now desperately trying to go back to the island, Locke would have been a really important ally, he is very in-tune with the island and surely would have wanted to go back more than anybody else. But the more important thing is that obviously Jack thinks that he did Locke wrong by getting him rescued. Learning that he died could well have been the last straw in making him suicidal.

And Locke really doesn't have anyone to attend his funeral, does he?

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Hm...I can't see Locke actually leaving though.

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Not voluntarily, that's for sure. But he may not have a choice in the matter...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I still suspect that Jack's going to try and change the past so whoever it is doesn't die.

Maybe I read too many comics.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
You know, there is one person who would be even more desperate than Jack to get back on the island. And he sure knows more about it than Locke. Ben. I think we are in for a Jack-Ben alliance...
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
Could definitely be. I think I'd like that.

One of the Skaters did some calculations regarding the coffin in this post. Food for thought, anyway.

Edit: There's some dispute over Fox's height. That post says 6'6" but another poster says he's 6'2".

[ May 25, 2007, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Arachne ]
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Fox isn't 6'-6". It's only four inches, but that would certinaly have him towering over most of the cast.

I was guessing Hurley would be the funeral in LA.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 
I think Kate would have shown some sadness if it was Hurley.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
I needed a few days to process this episode. my friend Jess and I called it a flashforward from the opening plane scene- don't know why, but we did. In fact, when Jack asked them to get his father, the doc shook his head and almost said I can't. That cememented it for us.

Everyone had a great moment, from Hurley's charge to Sayid's neck breaking and Charlie's torture treatment. I was a bit relieved to see both Rose and Bernard survived, but that only makes me fear one of them will get a spotlight next season.


I think from now on, we're going to be getting flashforwards on characters.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Originally posted by Arachne:
I think Kate would have shown some sadness if it was Hurley.

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Originally posted by CJ Taylor:
But then, Jack wouldn't expect anyone to show for either of them would he?

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Originally posted by rouge:
So I think at least the first few episodes will be Jack getting his shit together and then "Getting the Band Back Together". Obviously, he's got all the resources he needs with a "Golden Ticket" and three very wealthy contacts (Hurley, Sun and Penny [assuming Desmond gets out of there too]). Gives the creators a good platform to selectively bring cast back and jettison those whose stores are finished.

So I imagine Naomi and company are Dharma folks and they move right back into their old digs but with even more security while Richard and the Others resume their roles as Guerrilla/Invisible warriors. The wildcard is Locke. Does he join/lead the Others, or is he a free agent like Rousseau?

Other questions:

Does Alex stay with Rousseau or does she leave with the Losties?

Anyone else get left behind?

Will we get to see what happened to Ben? Did he die in prison?

How did Kate get out of her murder conviction?

If Rose leaves is she sick now?

Who planted the fake wreckage?

Is the Island public knowledge now?

Was it really Walt (and if it's the beast/ghost, does that mean the real Walt's dead? I can't remember any other live person appearing in a vision to people on the Island)?

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