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A transcript of the chat the other week (If it'll actually frelling post this time...).

Just don't look too closely at the Power Girl segment [Smile]

  • You have just entered room "The Legion."
  • RassilonBTS03: i'd love to try your suggestion steve...quislet
  • KWinDC: hey saintly
  • Steve Lightle: we can vote on who we'd like to bust open
  • KWinDC: lOL
  • SanityOrMadness: Hi
  • RassilonBTS03: that'd be awesome
  • KWinDC: bust that legionnaire
  • Steve Lightle: Quislet would work
  • RassilonBTS03: i'm gonna try something really challenging this year...one of the powerpuff girls (ducks)
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • Steve Lightle: But you'd have to fill it with anti-matter energy .. and that might screw up the candy
  • RassilonBTS03: as my cousin really digs the cartoon and so do i (ducks again)
  • RassilonBTS03: i admit it
  • KWinDC: not to mention harm the children
  • RassilonBTS03: ha!
  • KWinDC: "will someone please what about the children!!!"
  • Steve Lightle: Then the energy animates the stick, wacking guests on the head .. not a good idea, on second thought.
  • KWinDC: saint who are u on the message board
  • RassilonBTS03: i'll send you guys some of the pics that my brother took on his digicam
  • SanityOrMadness: Sanity or Madness, same as here
  • KWinDC: cool
  • KWinDC: steve do you read the legion like we do?
  • KWinDC: the current title
  • Steve Lightle: I used to create AOL chat rooms ...
  • RassilonBTS03: so steve, is your lightles name inactive now
  • Steve Lightle: I'd send out an invitation to a chat room called SANE
  • Steve Lightle: Yep, I guess LightleS is gone
  • KWinDC: awww
  • Steve Lightle: When you entered the room it would say, "You are in SANE"
  • KWinDC: lol
  • SanityOrMadness: lol×2
  • RassilonBTS03: heh, that's a good one
  • Nightcrawler: yup
  • Steve Lightle: I also have a character that I'm working on ... He's called JUSTIN ZANE
  • Nightcrawler: i've seen him...cool
  • KWinDC: new member?
  • Steve Lightle: I put a page of Justin Zane in the Legion Companion, so you'll see him there.
  • Nightcrawler: he's seperate from the legion, no?
  • Steve Lightle: Yes
  • KWinDC: oh oh speaking of...are you gonna get that new legion sourcebook thinggee coming out soon?
  • Steve Lightle: JZ is a Steve Lightle owned property
  • Steve Lightle: Not sure where I'll publish it.
  • KWinDC: cool
  • Nightcrawler: so... does umbra have new powers?
  • KWinDC: heh does she get a name change
  • Steve Lightle: Legion Sourcebook? I've worked on JSA and Magic and Flash Sourcebooks .. but nobody asked me to contribute to a Legion Sourcebook
  • Steve Lightle: I'd have been glad to.
  • KWinDC: no it's that new book published by someone outside of dc
  • KWinDC: its' gonna be big and thick
  • Nightcrawler: twomorrows
  • KWinDC: yeah them
  • SMK1244 has entered the room.
  • KWinDC: from the sound of it its gonna be awesome
  • Nightcrawler: it's the Legion Companion mentioned above
  • Steve Lightle: I know they are all done with DC's cooperation ... even though DC doesn't publish them.
  • KWinDC: hi smk
  • RassilonBTS03: when's it due?
  • KWinDC: i forgot let me check
  • KWinDC: http://www.dccomics.com
  • RassilonBTS03: and (i'm almost afraid to ask) how much is it gonna be? and what's in it?
  • Steve Lightle: Umbra isn't getting a new name just yet
  • SMK1244: hello kwin
  • KWinDC: hey he said "just yet"
  • Steve Lightle: Although many of us would like to see her get a new (or even old) one
  • KWinDC: indeed
  • Steve Lightle: I put the "S" on her new costume
  • Steve Lightle: If anyone asks, maybe it stands for Shadow Champion
  • KWinDC: u mean the one she came into the legion w/ or her new one coming?
  • Steve Lightle: Hello, every one
  • RassilonBTS03: now is there still one of those 4 characters i asked you about still making an appearance, steve?
  • Steve Lightle: Speak right up, join right in.
  • KWinDC: from the looks of things.....it s gonna be september
  • KWinDC: http://twomorrows.com/books/legioncompanion.html
  • Nightcrawler: and $24.95
  • Steve Lightle: September for Umbra ... the next month the LEGFION COMPANION and issue #25 both come out
  • Nightcrawler: can't wait
  • Steve Lightle: Legfion???
  • Steve Lightle: Oops
  • Steve Lightle: Which 4?
  • KWinDC: better hyave your credits saved up
  • RassilonBTS03: grev, lady memory, or lydea or lyrissa
  • Nightcrawler: whatcha think of the blok/stone boy merger?
  • KWinDC: it's gonna be an expensive legion month lol
  • Steve Lightle: Grev appears
  • Nightcrawler: yay!
  • Nightcrawler: is this his first post-boot appaerance?
  • KWinDC: YEAH
  • Steve Lightle: Blok/Stone Boy merger? I must have missed that one. Was it in the dream stuff, or what?
  • KWinDC: OH... is he even related to her now..this is the post boot lol
  • Steve Lightle: He is still her cousin
  • RassilonBTS03: will there be any nemesis involved?
  • Steve Lightle: There is a villain
  • SanityOrMadness: http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/messages.jsp?topic=32790374&board=legion
  • RassilonBTS03: sweet!
  • SanityOrMadness: http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images/legion_batista_page.jpg
  • KWinDC: hmm would be nice to see nemesis be a hero
  • Steve Lightle: The Shadow Force itself ... sort of
  • KWinDC: but ...i dont want a former hero to be a villan
  • KWinDC: the darkness within the darkness so to speak?
  • Steve Lightle: The darkness takes over
  • KWinDC: uh oh
  • Steve Lightle: i should say no more
  • Nightcrawler: NO! SPILL!
  • KWinDC: nope you shouldnt...that's enough to get my imagination working
  • SanityOrMadness: Hence the light spears of the cover, presumably...
  • KWinDC: wonder if shadow and light will co exist
  • RassilonBTS03: actually i meant to say...any kind of nemesis for her to overcome in order to get her powers back
  • Steve Lightle: Those shadow weapons were colored too bightly
  • Nightcrawler: shadow not light
  • RassilonBTS03: no...we want a couple of surprises don't we guys?
  • SanityOrMadness: So they're not meant to be white/glowing then?
  • Steve Lightle: The nature of talok's shadows is something different than simply the absense of light.
  • KWinDC: thinking of cloak from cloak and dagger now...
  • Steve Lightle: The shadow weapons were colored too bightly ... and may look darker after corrections are made.
  • Nightcrawler: have you gotten a chance to redesign anybody else?
  • Steve Lightle: Stephen Wacker tells me that her costume (on the cover) is being "fixed" also.
  • Nightcrawler: no!
  • KWinDC: oooo more thong floss
  • Steve Lightle: Making closer to my original color designs.
  • Nightcrawler: oh okay then
  • SanityOrMadness: So not quite like this then?http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2003-09/dcuniverse/legion24.jpg
  • Steve Lightle: I intended for her colors to be BLUE, BLACK, SILVER & RED.
  • Nightcrawler: Steve, are you in #25 at all?
  • KWinDC: that';s interesting
  • Steve Lightle: There are some changes from the preview image that has been shown
  • Steve Lightle: So I'm told
  • Steve Lightle: I didn't do anything in 25
  • Nightcrawler: awww
  • Nightcrawler: some anniversary that'll be
  • SanityOrMadness: What about the "vents" - you mentioned that, in your original design, they were to be darker, then you changed your mind. Are they staying skin (for her) coloured, or are they going darker again?
  • KWinDC: but he's in the companion book
  • Steve Lightle: I told everyone at DC that I didn't want to come back as part of a nostalgia thing, y'know ...
  • KWinDC: nah we dont want you as nostalgia
  • Steve Lightle: Well, in the Companion I got to ink Curt Swan!!!
  • Steve Lightle: Now THAT was cool!
  • KWinDC: cooooooool
  • Nightcrawler: very cool
  • Steve Lightle: Curt and I had talked about working on the Legion together, but never got the chance ..
  • Steve Lightle: or never seized the chance
  • Nightcrawler: darn
  • Steve Lightle: Who knew that we had so little time?
  • KWinDC: so true.
  • KWinDC: are u and dave gonna do a combo?
  • Steve Lightle: so, it was great to ink over his pencils just once.
  • Steve Lightle: We almost did (Dave and I)
  • Nightcrawler: don't give up
  • Steve Lightle: Maybe some day. I'd like to.
  • KWinDC: yeah that will be totally orgasmic for the fan boys out here
  • KWinDC: {---fan boy
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Steve Lightle: I almost had to draw the LEGION COMPANION cover from Dave's design sketch ..
  • RassilonBTS03 has left the room.
  • Steve Lightle: Dave was in the hospital
  • KWinDC: ahh
  • Steve Lightle: But, he got out in time to do it himself
  • Steve Lightle: And I'm thankful he's better.
  • Nightcrawler: They still used another inker
  • RassilonBTS03 has entered the room.
  • RassilonBTS03: sorry fellas, got disconnected somehow
  • KWinDC: no worries
  • KWinDC: we wont put u in the phantom zone...THIS TIME...
  • RassilonBTS03: lol
  • Steve Lightle: I know .. and I don't see what he improved... Nothing against Joe Rubenstein.
  • Steve Lightle: Welcome back.
  • Nightcrawler: I'd like to see your take though
  • SanityOrMadness: Ouch - now you're stuck with a turquoise name tag tho
  • KWinDC: anyone at dc kicking any ideas for a mini elseworlds starting the legion from kingdom come?
  • Steve Lightle: It glows PAINFULLY, Rass
  • KWinDC: cause i would LOVE TO SEE SUPERBOY AND SUPERGIRL IN THE LEGION AGAIN.
  • Steve Lightle: I've got an idea for a Legion mini
  • Nightcrawler: elseworlds has died
  • KWinDC: but that would be a good mini series though
  • Nightcrawler: unfortunately
  • Steve Lightle: We shall see if DC wants to do one
  • KWinDC: if they do pay attention to the message board like they say they do
  • KWinDC: and i start the topic i bet i would get a large petition
  • Steve Lightle: Mine would be concurrent with the ongoing ... and IN continuity.
  • KWinDC: if we cant have them in the 'real" we can have them in the elseworld
  • SanityOrMadness: LOL - if they did, they'd actually give us one that worked consistantly
  • KWinDC: oh really steve?
  • Nightcrawler: I'd love for Steve to do his Legionnaires proposal from years ago
  • KWinDC: supeboy and supergirl saint? LOl
  • SanityOrMadness: (that was Re: paying attention to the MB)
  • KWinDC: oh..dur
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Steve Lightle: Much of that Legionnaires proposal has come true, by the hands of others, in the last decade
  • Nightcrawler: not quislet yet though
  • Steve Lightle: Of course, it wasn't really a proposal ..
  • Steve Lightle: I was asked to write and draw it
  • KWinDC: u would think w/ some of the crap dc has published they would let u go for it
  • KWinDC: esp since paul is a legion fan from childhood dman it
  • Nightcrawler: they prefer crap over quality
  • KWinDC: lots of that stuff is crab
  • Steve Lightle: and only dropped out when they insisted that it would have to star Legion clones, instead of the original plan ... to
    restart the Legion.
  • KWinDC: i mean why does the jsa get so much stuff ou there *(good stuff but still it's more than legion)
  • Nightcrawler: yet the sw6 became the originals in the end
  • Steve Lightle: Right
  • KWinDC: till that was changed
  • Nightcrawler: right
  • KWinDC: so both were the originals
  • Steve Lightle: Even they had to finally admit that the clone idea wasn't going to work
  • Nightcrawler: spider-man anyone
  • KWinDC: frankly if the teens had been the originals it would have pissed me off like the people who got pissed off
    when they thought peter parker was the clone not the other guy
  • KWinDC: jinks Nightcrawler
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • Steve Lightle: We'd have won you over KW
  • SanityOrMadness: Well, I recall reading a bit from the Beirbams that they'd planned the SW6ers to be the clones. Or something...
  • KWinDC: i would have to mindwipe dc heads for that
  • KWinDC: nah steve..i would have still read but be very pissed
  • KWinDC: i mean the great darkness not done by the originals
  • KWinDC: that all the time my legion i g rew up w/ were the fakes
  • KWinDC: and my mom's the originals *she read them when they were in adventure*
  • Steve Lightle: The bierbaums were in on the reboot, even when I was working on it
  • SanityOrMadness: *actually liked Ben Reilly, the Spider-clone*
  • KWinDC: i guess they saw they couldnt save their asses
  • KWinDC: they shouldnt have killed ben off
  • KWinDC: he was something they should have kept around
  • KWinDC: didnt make sense to kill him
  • KWinDC: what happend to "act in haste repent in leisure"
  • KWinDC: oh wait they do that..
  • Steve Lightle: The spidey writer hated the way they handled the clone thing
  • KWinDC: im sure...
  • Steve Lightle: He had to find out from me that the clone wasn't going to be the real P. Parker ..
  • KWinDC: they must have took over his story and twisted it
  • Steve Lightle: They hadn't told him.
  • KWinDC: ewwwww
  • KWinDC: nasty
  • Nightcrawler: i used to love marvel
  • SanityOrMadness: http://www.newcomicreviews.com/columns/2/LifeOfReilly/
  • Steve Lightle: I was working on a Spider-man annual when they made that decision
  • Nightcrawler: SOM, you sure have those things handy
  • KWinDC: damn it;s not up
  • KWinDC: how did you feel about it steve?
  • Steve Lightle: At the time I felt that the Spidey continuity was going from bad to worse
  • SanityOrMadness: It is up - ignore the message, and click on the bars to the left
  • Steve Lightle: Years of mismanagement and bad decisions
  • Steve Lightle: I see a Legion parallel
  • Steve Lightle: : )
  • Nightcrawler: lol - is he still married or not?
  • KWinDC: i see a troia parraell
  • KWinDC: talk about stupidity
  • SanityOrMadness: Oh, and here's that bit where the Bs mention how they'd planned the SW6ers to be the actual clones:
  • SanityOrMadness: http://www.thelegionfiles.co.uk/Library/Creators/Bierbaums/BierbaumsQs.htm
  • Nightcrawler: that too
  • Steve Lightle: Not unless they've changed reality again
  • Steve Lightle: The decision was in FLUX
  • Steve Lightle: on the SW6 bunch
  • Nightcrawler: Steve - any ideas when your next Legion issue will come out?
  • Nightcrawler: has it been drawn?
  • Steve Lightle: While I was working on it, the idea was to keep the two groups as far apart as possible.
  • KWinDC: the sw6 being originals would have hurt a lot of the old time readers
  • Steve Lightle: We intended a real reboot.
  • Steve Lightle: That is what finally got nixed
  • KWinDC: not the retro history b.s that was planned?
  • Steve Lightle: that was what killed my involvement
  • KWinDC: i dont mean post zero hour history
  • KWinDC: but triplicated girl was always triad stuff
  • Steve Lightle: They asked for one last minute change .. I had to make my group CLONES
  • Nightcrawler: eww
  • KWinDC: which group i got confused lol
  • Steve Lightle: I thought that idea would have killed any reader loyalty to the group
  • Nightcrawler: Steve's Legionnaires
  • Steve Lightle: after all .. They weren't the REAL Legion
  • KWinDC: which were your legion..that's the part im confused by
  • Nightcrawler: Dream Girl, Quislet, Alegra and who else?
  • KWinDC: Oh
  • KWinDC: that was rather...stupid to make them the clones...
  • KWinDC: i mean...that would so f up how many years of legion history???
  • Steve Lightle: Plans were originally ... The Bierbaums would write one Legion title, while I wrote and drew a second group of Legionnaires
  • Nightcrawler: Man that we have rocked!!!
  • KWinDC: would they have interacted...was this the legionnaire the new history years?
  • Nightcrawler: yeah, and who else was in it. my memory fades...
  • Steve Lightle: My Legion consisted of Sun boy, Dream Girl, Allegra, Quislet, Ferro Lad, Karate Kid, Neutron (Superboy) ... I think that was it, to start with.
  • Nightcrawler: Did you give everbody new looks?
  • Steve Lightle: The Bierbaums book was to be LEGION of SUPER-HEROES, and mine would be called LEGIONNAIRES
  • SanityOrMadness: - Neutron (Superboy) ??? I presume this wasn't intented to be clark
  • Steve Lightle: My group was led by Marla Latham, representing Brande's interests.
  • Nightcrawler: Then the stole the ideas out from under you
  • RassilonBTS03: what would allegra's powers have been?
  • Nightcrawler: XS
  • Steve Lightle: Right
  • RassilonBTS03: ok
  • Steve Lightle: Ferro had his classic costume
  • Nightcrawler: they stole sorry
  • Steve Lightle: Everyone else was in new uniforms .. new designs
  • Nightcrawler: have you posted everbody at LegionPics? - out of touch sorry
  • Steve Lightle: Neutron was the youngest member, and, after seeing an old vid capture of Superman ...
  • Steve Lightle: would show up in a Superman costume, calling himself Superboy!
  • Steve Lightle: It wouldn't stick, though.
  • Nightcrawler: COOL!
  • KWinDC has left the room.
  • Steve Lightle: Sun Boy was fun to write, I must say.
  • Steve Lightle: Come back ...
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • SanityOrMadness: This was set in the past? (well... relative to the Legion present anyway)
  • Nightcrawler: was sunboy like the original?
  • Steve Lightle: It was supposed to have been a restart
  • SanityOrMadness: He'll probably come back with a yellow username
  • Steve Lightle: Telling the (NEW) story of the Legion from day one
  • KWinDC has entered the room.
  • Steve Lightle: Like the reboot ultimately turned out
  • KWinDC: damn i missed so much
  • KWinDC: i got the boot
  • Nightcrawler: no saturn girl, cosmic boy, or lightning lad?
  • Steve Lightle: OUCH... YELLOW????
  • SanityOrMadness: Oh God.... the yellow bit was intended as a joke...
  • Steve Lightle: They were in the Bierbaum group/book
  • KWinDC: im yello?
  • KWinDC: {---
  • Steve Lightle: poor fella, he doesn't know
  • KWinDC: i look red
  • SanityOrMadness: Ras & Kwin - could you leave and come straight back. You need sunglasses to look at your
    username (you always see yourself as red - what colour am I , BTW?)
  • Steve Lightle: The two Legion teams would keep in contact, but work in different sectors
  • KWinDC has left the room.
  • Steve Lightle: Grey, Sanity
  • KWinDC has entered the room.
  • KWinDC: saint wait
  • SanityOrMadness: Could be worse
  • KWinDC: do that again
  • Steve Lightle: Welcome back
  • KWinDC has left the room.
  • SanityOrMadness: And kwin's grey now (amd hence lookable-at)
  • Nightcrawler: Steve, your ideas sound better than what was offered
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • SMK1244 has left the room.
  • KWinDC has entered the room.
  • Steve Lightle: Personally, I always said that what NEEDED to happen was ..
  • KWinDC: ok using trillian now
  • Steve Lightle: A group of Legionnaires visit from the Legion's past.
  • SanityOrMadness: and go back to avert the 5YG?
  • Nightcrawler: a perfect solution
  • Nightcrawler: the ultimate what if
  • KWinDC: they would have to prevent the dominion invasion
  • KWinDC: prevent themselves from getting cloned
  • Nightcrawler: no clones
  • KWinDC: prevent....black dawn b4 it happens
  • KWinDC: oh ok
  • Nightcrawler: this is before sw6
  • Steve Lightle: sorry Palmiotti is IMing me
  • KWinDC: who?
  • SanityOrMadness: Ex-Deadpool inker/writer I think
  • Nightcrawler: dc stole Steve's Legionnaires idea and created what we read
  • KWinDC: oh and call me a perv..but i always wondefred ...since earth 1 super humans were stronger than their earth
    2 counter parts.....why was Power Girl a D cup and Supergirl only B
  • Nightcrawler: you're a perv
  • SanityOrMadness: S. O. L.
  • SanityOrMadness: [Snigger out loud]
  • KWinDC: yeah but it does beg an interesting question
  • KWinDC: they even made mention of her endowment in kingdom come
  • Nightcrawler: how could they not
  • KWinDC: lol
  • SanityOrMadness: Earth-2 kryptonian females seemingly stored most of their solar energy in their mammary glands, while E1 didn't [Smile]
  • Nightcrawler: LOL
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • KWinDC: i guess earth 1 kyprtonians had the fashion gene
  • KWinDC: cause she changed her costumes and careers more than WW
  • Nightcrawler: luckily she was invulnerable cause all that bouncing she did at the beginning would have hurt
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • Steve Lightle: The younger Legion would have been appalled at the horrific Giffen years and run back home... and we would go back with them
  • KWinDC: the 5 year gap griffen
  • Nightcrawler: stay on topic Steve
  • Steve Lightle: IMs everywhere!!!
  • Nightcrawler: you're popular
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Steve Lightle: I'm usually in stealth mode
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • KWinDC: heh
  • Steve Lightle: Topic ... Earth 2 breasts
  • Steve Lightle: got it!
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • KWinDC: well just kyrptonian 2 breasts
  • Steve Lightle: by the way ... editors keep removing nipples from my drawings! What's up with that?
  • KWinDC: hmm makes u wonder about superman lol
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • Nightcrawler: Yeah!
  • Steve Lightle: Umbra got a nipectomy in the latest issue
  • KWinDC: earth 2...down to his knee?
  • Nightcrawler: NO!!!!
  • KWinDC: earth 1 mini me?
  • Steve Lightle: But it used to happen on my X-Men covers all the time
  • Nightcrawler: rogue?
  • KWinDC: Storn nipples
  • KWinDC: she had to get cold from that wind and snow she was tossing LOL
  • Steve Lightle: Phoenix and Storm couldn't have noticeable nipples
  • Nightcrawler: those bastards!
  • Steve Lightle: my wife gets frightened when we walk through the refrigerated section of the grocery store
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • Nightcrawler: Mentalla?
  • SanityOrMadness: Besides, every now and then, she [Storm] felt the need to spout a "I don't get cold" comment
  • Steve Lightle: She fears comic editors with white out will accost us.
  • KWinDC: even Jonni Thunder didnt have nips
  • KWinDC: lol steve
  • Nightcrawler: painful
  • Steve Lightle: Byrne always drew dark phoenix with erect nipples .. whenever she used her powers.
  • KWinDC: and who was the genius to have the thunderbolt not be her but some thing possesing her???
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • Steve Lightle: so I did the same with Umbra
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • KWinDC: no doubt she would be erect
  • Steve Lightle: Staeve Wacker put a stop to that!
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • KWinDC: would make perfect sense..im sure she orgasmed whenever she felt that song within her
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Nightcrawler: how'd Byrne get away with it?
  • Steve Lightle: I don't know
  • Steve Lightle: It sometimes seems that all comics are more risque than mine are allowed to be
  • Nightcrawler: your's are too life-like
  • KWinDC: lol
  • KWinDC: get the 3d glasses
  • Steve Lightle: I once had a X-Men writer tell me that my females "aroused" him ... he was reprimanding me for drawing them "too well."
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Nightcrawler: that's sick
  • Nightcrawler: name names
  • Steve Lightle: I laughed and laughed
  • KWinDC: im so sure
  • Steve Lightle: he was serious
  • Steve Lightle: Which made it kind of weird for me
  • SanityOrMadness: SOL
  • KWinDC: im sure Sensor Girl had nips
  • Steve Lightle: I won't name names.
  • KWinDC: and hell emerald empress
  • KWinDC: just name initals
  • Steve Lightle: everything is far too public on the Net
  • Steve Lightle: Sensor Girl had a costume that fit loosely
  • Steve Lightle: she kept private
  • Steve Lightle: Her identity AND her nipples
  • KWinDC: LOL
  • KWinDC: well right now it seems she's nippless
  • SanityOrMadness: Well, all turned out to be illusion there anyway, oc.
  • Nightcrawler: i'm surprised that your Shvaughn and Jan sex scene got past the censors
  • Steve Lightle: I prefer Sensor the way she is, I just don't like how she got here
  • KWinDC: what sex scene??
  • Nightcrawler: don'tcha remember?
  • Steve Lightle: The snake thing wasn't ALIEN, it was Disney
  • KWinDC: i remember the closest they got was issue 9 of the baxter books
  • Nightcrawler: pretty graphic for my impressional young mind
  • Steve Lightle: That Jan and Shvaughn scene was hot ... but they were both dressed
  • Nightcrawler: didn't matter to me
  • Steve Lightle: And it was a codeless book
  • KWinDC: uh huh
  • Steve Lightle: He was between her legs .. but they were clothed
  • KWinDC: she pretty much ripped his shirt open
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • KWinDC: aggressive girl...
  • Nightcrawler: my first porn
  • KWinDC: i still say that gender switcheroom big mistake
  • SanityOrMadness: You prefer Sensor how she is? Just to the snake, or ?
  • Steve Lightle: i thought that the fan speculation about his sexual identity was based on too much stereotypical thought
  • KWinDC: and i always wondered why did they not have gigi in the 5 year gap or zendek
  • KWinDC: hmmmm i like both
  • KWinDC: but i prefer Sensior GIrl or Jeckie not jekka
  • Steve Lightle: i wanted to show that, in the 30th century, a man could have a perm AND wear fuscia pink and still be hetero
  • KWinDC: the snake could be someone else
  • KWinDC: i didnt even think of him as gay
  • KWinDC: i mean hello he was getting it on w/ shvaghun..
  • Steve Lightle: If I was going to create a gay Legionnaire, he wouldn't have looked the part
  • KWinDC: like lyle? hehe
  • Steve Lightle: unlike that horrible thing that they put in DC's New guardians
  • Steve Lightle: I hate stereotypes
  • KWinDC: extranro
  • Nightcrawler: ewww
  • RassilonBTS03: estrano
  • KWinDC: yeah that was pretty...blantant
  • Nightcrawler: and weird
  • RassilonBTS03: it was the first time i ever saw a gay character in a comic book
  • KWinDC: was the new guardian's dc's worse idea?
  • Nightcrawler: I liked Jet though
  • KWinDC: and they totally messed up the legion *laurel kent* w/ that
  • Nightcrawler: don't remind me
  • Steve Lightle: "he was getting it on w/ shvaghun" because I wanted to dispel the rumors
  • RassilonBTS03: i can remember extrano admitting to himself that he was strange as in queer and he liked that feeling
  • KWinDC: is that what some thought steve?
  • KWinDC: yeah i was wondering if he was gay or was it my feeling about it
  • Nightcrawler: He and Sun Boy were awfully close at Dave's wedding scene
  • Steve Lightle: Giffen thought that he might be gay .. or that he had sexual organs that were incompatible with Earthlings
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Steve Lightle: I thought the latter was a bit too much
  • Nightcrawler: giffen is odd
  • KWinDC: hmm u would think they would have revealed that eariler on
  • Nightcrawler: Superboy #200
  • Steve Lightle: I have nothing against gays .. and LOTS against the use of stereotypes
  • KWinDC: thanks steve [Smile]
  • Nightcrawler: we love you too
  • RassilonBTS03: and then extrano got bit and caught hiv from a rabid villain
  • Steve Lightle: I wanted to clear that up
  • KWinDC: what ?? he did? no freaking way Ras
  • Steve Lightle: Tell me that was a joke
  • Steve Lightle: a joke in bad taste, but a joke
  • Nightcrawler: re: extrano - didn't he already have the it and Jet and Harbinger got it that way?
  • Steve Lightle: Is anyone here old enough to remember the Aquaman series that ran in Adventure in the seventies?
  • Nightcrawler: me
  • Nightcrawler: why?
  • KWinDC: u mean black manta??
  • KWinDC: being..black?
  • Steve Lightle: Remember when Black Manta revealed that he was a racist black man who had always been motivated
    by his desire to avenge the treatment of his people?
  • KWinDC: and im not offended by that as a joke just wanted to know if dc was silly to do that
  • KWinDC: jinks steve heh
  • KWinDC: yeah that was a bit...SILLY
  • Steve Lightle: How do such BAD IDEAS make it into print?
  • Nightcrawler: you on the other side tell us
  • KWinDC: i guess....they were still recovering from the implosing
  • Nightcrawler: you're sorry
  • Steve Lightle: I find that it's difficult to get them to buy good ideas .. maybe I should pitch more crap
  • KWinDC: yeah tell me about it
  • KWinDC: my idea about kindom come legionnaires would really sell
  • Nightcrawler: then switch it while they're not looking
  • KWinDC: since it's not in countiity it doesnt have to follow the rules
  • Steve Lightle: And .. Before i stop talking about Aquaman .. what's going on with that character???
  • KWinDC: from what ive read on the boards
  • Steve Lightle: Doesn't anyone think like a kid anymore?
  • KWinDC: altantis has kicked him out (again)
  • KWinDC: he doesnt haev his sea creature communication powers
  • Nightcrawler: I like the hand but not the rest
  • KWinDC: that's all i know
  • KWinDC: oh oh ..steve..maybe you can tell me this
  • KWinDC: is Air Wave 2 still alive ??
  • Nightcrawler: Yup. see JSA
  • Steve Lightle: The man is super strong and swift, talks to/commands sea creatures, breathes water AND he's the KING
    OF ATLANTIS ...
  • KWinDC: ok...so..why wasnt he at his cousins funeral and prominet????
  • KWinDC: they have the same name dont they?
  • Steve Lightle: Why do they keep thinking that he needs more angst and sorrow in his life?
  • KWinDC: i guess that's the only thing that made him interesting
  • SanityOrMadness: Because... kings aren't "relatable"?
  • KWinDC: my old images of aquaman is that weakling in the superfirends
  • KWinDC: yeah but jeckie was a princess [Smile] and ww a princess as well
  • Steve Lightle: Right .. but that's just bad writing
  • Nightcrawler: Kwin - Hal 2 was stuck as energy at that time
  • KWinDC: and hypolota was very relatable in jsa
  • KWinDC: he was/??
  • Steve Lightle: Batman is the weakest hero ... unless you write him well
  • KWinDC: ww was boring precrisis
  • KWinDC: post crisis has given her new life...no pun on crisis 12
  • Steve Lightle: Right now Aquaman has a magic hand and sees the future in it????
  • Steve Lightle: what???
  • KWinDC: he what???
  • KWinDC: ooooooook
  • Nightcrawler: Aquaman should be off having cool adventures not brooding in caves
  • Steve Lightle: That's what I hear
  • Steve Lightle: They killed off his baby .. always a good move if you want to lift the spirits of your audience ..
  • Nightcrawler: didn't know about the future stuff...guess I should read the comics i buy
  • Steve Lightle: Then aqualad has no sympathy ... and trys to kick his mentor's ass ..
  • Steve Lightle: Mera trys repeatedly to kill him
  • SanityOrMadness: *remembers Steve's recent post on the aqua brd where he menioned the charcter's "magical" core concept..
    only to quicklyretract it when he realised how it could be taken*
  • Nightcrawler: they always kill the baby - except maybe franklin
  • Steve Lightle: Comic books are about characters that we WANT to be
  • KWinDC: how could it be taken?
  • Steve Lightle: wish fullfillment
  • Nightcrawler: those're the ones I want to read
  • KWinDC: yeah diana under phil jimnez's treatment was inspiring to me
  • Steve Lightle: They can't simply be about characters getting the shit kicked in their faces
  • SanityOrMadness: Yeah, happened to Spidey too - or qick-age them (see: Cable, others). That's happened to Franklin @ least twice
  • Steve Lightle: Aquaman IS now the scrawny guy on the beach .. getting sand kicked in his face
  • Steve Lightle: Oh RIGHT! THAT's gonna sell like hot cakes!
  • SanityOrMadness: ...saved by a car horn (seriously)
  • RassilonBTS03: i've gotta scram guys...see you all saturday @ 3-5 EST
  • RassilonBTS03: Long Live The Legion!
  • Nightcrawler: but you guys are making me wnat to read the book - lol
  • Steve Lightle: Bye
  • SanityOrMadness: Bye
  • Nightcrawler: bye
  • KWinDC: bye ray ray
  • RassilonBTS03 has left the room.
  • KWinDC: did anyone here like phil's run on WW?
  • Steve Lightle: I recently met Phil Jimnez, and he was showing me what a big Tellus nut he was
  • Nightcrawler: it was okay
  • KWinDC: cause i cant believe the shit he got from some fans on that board
  • KWinDC: really?
  • Steve Lightle: Showing me all these examples of how he fit Tellus into his backgrounds whenever he could
  • SanityOrMadness: I Byrne-steal a lot of comics, but I only buy a few.
  • Nightcrawler: aren't we all Tellus fans
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • KWinDC: lol
  • Steve Lightle: Except the Legion creative teams
  • Nightcrawler: Tellus is just cool
  • Steve Lightle: Giffen hated him, and I don't think Tellus has appeared since the reboot
  • Nightcrawler: are you trying to tell us (pun intended) about DnA or Wacker also?
  • Steve Lightle: May have to fix that someday ...
  • Steve Lightle: LOL
  • KWinDC: some of his race has
  • KWinDC: sorry not race
  • Steve Lightle: In Valor's series an such
  • KWinDC: specifies
  • KWinDC: they were seen in the legion tryout requests
  • KWinDC: like umbra was
  • Steve Lightle: Cool
  • Nightcrawler: and they were in v4 after giffen
  • KWinDC: and there was an hyquiran(?) on the cover
  • KWinDC: ive seen griffen's pic in wizard recently...he looked like a dominator to me
  • Steve Lightle: Hey, guys an gals .. I better go.
  • Steve Lightle: it's been fun.
  • KWinDC: yeah it has..hope u come on saturday
  • Nightcrawler: aww...guess it's next saturday then
  • Steve Lightle: We have to unite our fractured Legion fandom and do this again real soon.
  • Nightcrawler: this was fun
  • SanityOrMadness: Bye [Razz]
  • Nightcrawler: Bye guys!
  • Steve Lightle: Later all
  • Steve Lightle has left the room.
  • Nightcrawler has left the room.
  • KWinDC: this was a fun meeting
  • SanityOrMadness: Yeah. See you next week (maybe Sat, maybe not). Bye [Smile]


[ July 09, 2003, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Sanity or Madness? ]

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WOW!

Nice job!

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Thanks for getting that posted Sanity or Madness.
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