quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: Take the most recent tweak to the origin of Nightcrawler. Now he is only 19 years old and his father is a demon. So that makes him around 14 when he joined the X-Men.
Really? Wow... that really is lame. I wonder, does that make Amanda Sefton a child molestor, then? She was a stewardess when she and Kurt started dating, and unless the airlines hire pre-teens, then she was at least 18, and dating a 14 year old.
Well, I guess I'll have to rethink my opinion of Marvel and retcons
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quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad: Take the most recent tweak to the origin of Nightcrawler. Now he is only 19 years old and his father is a demon. So that makes him around 14 when he joined the X-Men.
Really? Wow... that really is lame. I wonder, does that make Amanda Sefton a child molestor, then? She was a stewardess when she and Kurt started dating, and unless the airlines hire pre-teens, then she was at least 18, and dating a 14 year old.
Well, I guess I'll have to rethink my opinion of Marvel and retcons
Eww! I hadn't even thought of that. My immediate thought was this makes Kitty older than Kurt and makes Logan an accessory to underage drinking.
That's one of the problems I have with Marvel. They don't retcon very well. They have more conflicted origins than DC but at least DC rebooted their universe to try and make them fit.
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Oh COME ON. That means he was seeing Amanda Sefton when he was, what? 15? Leading Excalibur at age 16-17? And he's like younger than Kitty Pryde. JUBILEE's age.
Whatever. Marvel is a joke.
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Umm... is this whole Nightcrawler thing more Internet gossip or can it actually be backed up with quotes from an X-Men comic? It sounds to me like something which has been heard and repeated a few times without verification. In what issue was it stated? Are we sure it's not Ultimate Nightcrawler which we're talking about here?
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quote:Originally posted by Legion Lad: Umm... is this whole Nightcrawler thing more Internet gossip or can it actually be backed up with quotes from an X-Men comic? It sounds to me like something which has been heard and repeated a few times without verification. In what issue was it stated? Are we sure it's not Ultimate Nightcrawler which we're talking about here?
The latest Uncanny X-Men (#428) is a flashback story. Panel one clearly says "Germany, 20 years ago." TWENTY years ago. It's the story of Raven Wagner (Mystique) and the affair she has with some demon or demonic looking mutant which produces Nightcrawler. If I had the issue in front of me I'd scan everyone a pic. So, no, it isn't a rumor and it isn't Ultimate X-Men. It is the Uncanny X-Men being written by the uncannily bad Chuck Austen.
[Edit: Sorry if that sounded terse, it wasn't meant to be. But even though I don't regularly read the regular Marvel Universe titles anymore it still ticks me off to do this to a very well established character without doing it in a re-boot or Elseworlds (What If?) kinda of situation. Just plain bad writing and not caring for what has come before.]
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Well, that's just awful. Funny how "writers" think that just because an editor gives them permission to do something, that makes it right. Don't they know that editors come and go?
To me, Chuck Austen will always be the guy who was a big letdown when he took over Miracleman years ago. Gary Leach to Alan Davis to the then Chuck Beckum. Apparently he wrote an issue of Ultimate X-Men because he was chummy with the editor, and the editor of Uncanny saw it, liked it, and gave him the job. The guy had zero writing experience before that. Zero.
Gee, I guess all it takes to write is to stick words into people's mouths. You don't need to use your brain or nuthin'.
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There is no way the Kurt of X-MEN # 94 on could have been 19 or younger. He was much too sophisticated, grown and mature for that.
I wouldn't say Marvel is a joke. But I think they're obviously not aiming at fans who have long memories of the characters. How many 16- year-olds of today would have access to the early X-MENs, or even reprints?
Let's face it: Fictional characters can be bent and shaped at their owner's whim. Integrity means how many copies can we sell, not is this true for the character?
SIGH! I'm feeling very cynical tonight. I think I'll go off and get drunk with FRUNTaholic and forget that I was ever an X-fan.
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HWW, I'll gladly join you in that drink. The more I see of what's coming out of the House of Smears the more I feel sickened. I wonder what Dave thinks of what they've done to his baby boy?
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