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I almost hate to bring this up here, but there's a pro-gay petition for marriage out there. Rather than attempt to send this to people who might not want it, I thought I'd post the link here.
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From: Newburgh, NY | Registered: May 2004
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hey, Ferroboy, I got a question. Most marriages are held in churches. Does this not violate the separation of church and state implied by the 1st amendment and supported by the Supreme Court?
p.s. I support gay marriage. Why should us heteros be the only miserable ones?
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From: the Detroit multi-lab | Registered: Nov 2004
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The fact that this is an issue is a sad reflection of the state of the world. Of course people of sound mind should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. It is so wrong to think that somebody could be in a relationship with somebody else for years and if they died to have no legal entitlements re super, insurance etc is plain and simple wrong
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From: Sydney, Australia | Registered: Nov 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Brainiac68: hey, Ferroboy, I got a question. Most marriages are held in churches. Does this not violate the separation of church and state implied by the 1st amendment and supported by the Supreme Court?
Are you asking if marriage rights for same-sex couples violate the First Amendment, or if marriage in churches in general violates it?
Either way, I'm gonna say no. For straight couples, no one is forcing them to get married in a church. Clergy simply have the authority to marry people, but you still have to get it licensed by the state (at least in most places -- I can't say with 100-percent assurance that all states require this) to be legally recognized. And there are thousands of nonreligious people authorized to perform marriages.
For same-sex couples, no law would require churches to perform the ceremonies. We're just looking for civil recognition. It would be great if all denominations would embrace gay people (and some already do and perform ceremonies without government recognition), but this fight is for civil equality, not religious marriage.
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From: Standing beside you in Ferndale, MI | Registered: Aug 2003
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Fashionable Ferndale? My man!
Marriage and civil unions should be allowed to all domestic partners, regardless of gender. I believe that the government is once again legislating discrimination. I brought up separation of church and state because the government is allowing clergy to act as agents of the state by signing the marriage licenses. IMO, the anti-gay marriage laws passed in some states recently (shamefully, here in MI, too) smell a lot like the old Jim Crow laws.
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From: the Detroit multi-lab | Registered: Nov 2004
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Actually Brainiac68, City or town clerks sign marriage licences that allow couples to marry. Clergy, Justices of the Peace, judges, and those authorized to perform wedding ceremonies sign marriage certificates which shows that a ceremony took place.
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quote:Originally posted by Brainiac68: hey, Ferroboy, I got a question. Most marriages are held in churches. Does this not violate the separation of church and state implied by the 1st amendment and supported by the Supreme Court?
p.s. I support gay marriage. Why should us heteros be the only miserable ones?
I think it does kind if violate the church and state thing because religion is the overriding reason why people come out against it.
Personally, I've never had a whole lot of interest in marriage, but I don't see why I should be denied it if some guy changes my mind.
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just move on up here to Canada, we'll let you get married if you want (at least in most provinces)
From: Fort McMurray | Registered: Nov 2004
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Here in Europe, gay marriage isn't recognized in many countries, but at least there are different types of "cicil union contracts" that gives gay couples the same social and legal rights as straight couples.
Gay marriage? Could be fun.
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From: Edinburgh, Scotland | Registered: Oct 2004
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Since I was linking to this on another board anyhow, it occurred to me that folks here might want to see it as well:
quote:The Court rebuked Congress for BLAG’s argument that caution should be taken with issues that can be socially divisive: Here, too, this Court finds that Congress cannot, like an ostrich, merely bury its head in the sand and wait for danger to pass, especially at the risk of permitting continued constitutional injury upon legally married couples. The fact that the issue is socially divisive does nothing to relieve the judiciary of its obligation to examine the constitutionality of the discriminating classifications in the law.
A good message, but one I suspect will be lost on Obama and other so-called leaders.
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From: Wouldn't you like to know? | Registered: Oct 2003
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IB, me too!
Another link forwarded to me by a fan elsewhere. What really impressed me here was that the Church and the School seemed intent on pushing their own anti-GLBT agenda on some young people who'll be able to vote shortly... But it backfired, because at least some of the students called them on their crap.
(I didn't read the comments. If the regulars in MN-St. Paul are even half as idiotic as the ones who routinely show up on Oregon.live, I think it's best today to forego it. I'm already not in a real great mood.)
A bonus, "Eat Me" to these idiotic so-called religious leaders for bagging on adoptees and single parents, because apparently just bagging on the GLBT community isn't enough for them. Somebody very close to me is adopted, you sanctimonious creeps. What the bloody blue blazes is wrong with you?!
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a lot of the comments are fairly positive, actually. Including from lay Catholics unhappy with their clergy.
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I am officially consoled, Kent. (Maybe I should see if there are any jobs in MN-St. Paul. )
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