That was fast. Didn't expect Alastor to change so soon!
Posted by Blacula on :
Pete Woods' art is great but God do I hate the way he draws Tellus' legs. This book is 12 issues in now. How has an editor not given him a reference as to how this character is supposed to look by now?
Posted by razsolo on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: Pete Woods' art is great but God do I hate the way he draws Tellus' legs. This book is 12 issues in now. How has an editor not given him a reference as to how this character is supposed to look by now?
I am with you Blacula....it doesn't really bother me if artists take liberties with costumes/hairstyles etc, but changing the actual anatomy of a character is just plain annoying; especially given that he acknowledged that he was drawing him incorrectly on facebook months ago so it isn't like he can even say he doesn't know...
Posted by the Hermit on :
My biggest problem with this book is the Metamerican and the Metamarines. Giving them artificial powers and dressing them up as an alarmed response to the sudden presence of super-heroes doesn't change the fact that the government vs. heroes thing has been done to death.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Not to mention the "misunderstandings lead to battles between two groups" cliche. Ah well...
Posted by the Hermit on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Not to mention the "misunderstandings lead to battles between two groups" cliche. Ah well...
...and the whole Legionnaires trapped in the 21st century thing, for that matter.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
I'm not sure what to make of this issue. DeFalco wrapped up too many story lines rather abruptly. Things felt rushed to try to provide a fake feel good moment at the end of the issue. Even all the secrets got shelved after being hinted at. I hope next issue with Timber Wolf's spotlight moves the story along better. Right now I feel more lost in this comic than our lost Legionnaires seem to. I just wish I had a feeling where DeFalco we taking us. I care for all of these characters, in fact some are my favorite Legionnaires, but with this story arc ending, I feel like I lost my sense of direction and the road map that I thought I'd discovered last issue. Please make issue #0 and it's Timber Wolf spotlight a good read. That's all I ask...
Posted by Candlelight on :
I just ask that Woods remove that ugly, gaping ' neckline' from Dawnstar's costume. HATE it! Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Blacula:
quote:How has an editor not given him a reference as to how this character is supposed to look by now?
The problem goes back to any appearance of the character since the end of Legion of 3 Worlds. So if the artist's reference is recent, it'll perpetuate the problem.
Unfortunately, the human(oid) form is just too deeply ingrained in comic artists' training that it's hard for them to render a being that's truly alien. Even the Green Lantern Corps has this problem. There's a natural human tendency to anthromorphize things - that's why it's so easy to draw animal toons as partly human.
Unfortunately, the character of Tellus suffers as a result. I do hope that they can fix the problem, but given the overall disregard for comics past at DC editorial, I'm not holding my breath inside my methane helmet.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: Blacula:
quote:How has an editor not given him a reference as to how this character is supposed to look by now?
The problem goes back to any appearance of the character since the end of Legion of 3 Worlds. So if the artist's reference is recent, it'll perpetuate the problem.
Unfortunately, the human(oid) form is just too deeply ingrained in comic artists' training that it's hard for them to render a being that's truly alien. Even the Green Lantern Corps has this problem. There's a natural human tendency to anthromorphize things - that's why it's so easy to draw animal toons as partly human.
Unfortunately, the character of Tellus suffers as a result. I do hope that they can fix the problem, but given the overall disregard for comics past at DC editorial, I'm not holding my breath inside my methane helmet.
Tellus has been projecting different looks all book long. The writers have an easy enough out. Tellus can call it an experiment in fashion sense that has run its course. boom, done or any other number of similar scenarios. Funnier (IMO) would be if one of the others called him out, "Tellus, what's up with the legs? Stop it."
Posted by Set on :
While I doubt anyone at DC has put this much thought into it, just progressively drawing him as more and more humanoid, it's entirely possible that Hyrkraians naturally adapt over months and years in different environmental zones of their own gas giant homeworld, and that Tellus's tail shrinking and legs growing is, for his species, an entirely natural adaptation to living on a surface world.
Alternately, it is the 31st century, and it's also possible that a few shots over the course of a couple of months, or years, could allow *any* human or alien to physically be 'geneformed' to a new adaptative physiology, depending on the new climate / environment they intend to inhabit, so that a human moving to a water world could take some 'pro-fish' shots and become amphibious or whatever.
If the writers *wanted* to, they could explain Tellus' changes easily enough, but I think it's pretty obvious they just don't care for the way the character was designed and have decided to change him under the assumption that we wouldn't notice or something.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Set:
quote:but I think it's pretty obvious they just don't care for the way the character was designed and have decided to change him under the assumption that we wouldn't notice or something.
I honestly doubt it's anything that thoughtful. I think the artist just sees that Tellus has two forelimbs and two hind-limbs, and instinctively draws the forelimbs as humanoid hands with opposable thumbs. I suspect that the artists were simply never corrected about Tellus's proper morphology, because he's such a minor character (to DC Editorial) that, who cares?
Posted by EmeraldEmperor on :
Where is this series going? I don't know, and it doesn't feel like the creative team does either.
However....if DC can create something epic out of this whole Echo thing, it could be good. Is it possible that the Time Trapper is involved in all this? It might explain why criminals seem to be pretty easily sent back to the 21st century, but the Legion can't seem to break the time barrier anymore.
Posted by Power Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: While I doubt anyone at DC has put this much thought into it, just progressively drawing him as more and more humanoid, it's entirely possible that Hyrkraians naturally adapt over months and years in different environmental zones of their own gas giant homeworld, and that Tellus's tail shrinking and legs growing is, for his species, an entirely natural adaptation to living on a surface world.
Alternately, it is the 31st century, and it's also possible that a few shots over the course of a couple of months, or years, could allow *any* human or alien to physically be 'geneformed' to a new adaptative physiology, depending on the new climate / environment they intend to inhabit, so that a human moving to a water world could take some 'pro-fish' shots and become amphibious or whatever.
If the writers *wanted* to, they could explain Tellus' changes easily enough, but I think it's pretty obvious they just don't care for the way the character was designed and have decided to change him under the assumption that we wouldn't notice or something.
They could've just said they changed it on purpose with the new boot. easy out.
Posted by Candlelight on :
At one point, back when Valor was the seeder of worlds, there was a panel showing Tellus' people as being a metahuman result of Dominator experimentation, IIRC.
That would be out of continuity now, of course, but the explanation may have stuck in the minds of TPTB.
I like Set's idea of adaptation, though.
But, really, none of the DC/Image characters are exactly like they used to be. Marvel's either, for that mstter.
[ August 21, 2012, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Candlelight ]
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I do not believe that Tellus's race was ever thought to be products of Dominion experimentation on humans.
Posted by the Hermit on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: I do not believe that Tellus's race was ever thought to be products of Dominion experimentation on humans.
As far as I know, Tellus's people evolved normally in their methane world without any Dominion interference, although the worm guys in the globes with all the apostrophes in their names did nudge them into their first interactions with beings from outer space.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I'm pretty sure that Candle's right that there was at least one reference to Hykraius being a Gandian seed world, but I'd say it's the kind of thing that is best permanently and completely ignored as "chronicler's error".
Posted by Power Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: I just ask that Woods remove that ugly, gaping ' neckline' from Dawnstar's costume. HATE it!
Especially since the small strap across the front actually seems to cover her nipples and not the shirt.
Posted by Power Boy on :
btw you know an issue is good when the thread has derailed in less than one page into a disucssion Dawnstar's costume and Tellus' random origin ...
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Let's throw in Gates' disfigurement. I wouldn't mind it as much if they'd explained why and how it happened!
Click Here For A Spoiler In any case, it was a decent issue with some promise of these weird plot threads being resolved - it seems Gates has seen into the future and knows how he'll die? Tyroc's "prophecy" is referenced, as is Yera's "treachery" and some more hints that Tellus knows more than he's letting on. So is Wildfire's impending death due to a faulty suit.
Compared to all those, the Wildfire-Dawnstar-Timber Wolf love triangle is the least of their worries!
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Invisible Brainiac:
quote:Let's throw in Gates' disfigurement. I wouldn't mind it as much if they'd explained why and how it happened!
I thought it was said to be a result of that explosion in issue # 1 in which they initially thought Gates and Yera had died.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Yes, that's the implied cause. But some other Legionnaires asked over several issues where Gates went when he was "lost" over those issues, and Gates kept saying that was a story for another time. I'm thinking maybe his disfigurement may have something to do with that.
Besides that, some art in the early issues showed Gates' disfigured "claw" to have more fingers than his undamaged claw - making me wonder whether he had "evolved" somehow in the explosion.
Posted by Set on :
I just assumed it was the Hypertaxis disease that made Gates look freaky.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
I kind of like Gates' new look. It just shows you that some battle scars do last. Gates is a fun character. I'm glad he's part of the team to provide some much needed humor to the book. Plus his powers sure do come in handy.
Posted by lowercase mllash on :
Pete has stated on Facebook that he has been given the oK from editorial to return Tellus to his less-humanoid look. Unstated but sort-of implied is that it was an editorial mandate in the first place to make Tellus more humanoid, but who knows? I'm just guessing. Whatever the case, Pete has paid attention to what fans on LW's FB page have said, so that is great!
I read 12 tonight. The body-hopping was fun and I loved the last page. Good, but not great.
Posted by kcekada on :
Happy about Tellus, but I'm pretty sure that I'm dropping this title. Legion is only marginally better, but I have to support one Legion title (for now).
I'm not sure how a Legion book consisting of three of my favorite Legionnaies (Timber Wolf, Wildfie and Dawnstar) could be so boring, but it is. I admit -- part of it is TW's bland look -- but that started way back when Levtiz undid the Cockrum transformation. And it seems his super strength has been replaced with useless claws and a Wolverine rejuvenation factor.
But the villains, settings, plots -- basically everthing about the stories has been boring. I was enjoying Pete's artwork early on -- but even that has been kinda blah of late.
Maybe I'll check in again when the inevitable cancellataion notice is announced -- to see how they get the gang back to their proper place in the future.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
At least check out next month's #0 issue with the Timber Wolf spotlight if you are a T-Wolf fan. It "might" be an interesting read. I know I want to see what DeFalco will do with my favorite Legionnaire.
Posted by the Hermit on :
Like most of the other DC books I've been getting, I will be getting the #0 issue, but probably won't get #13 or beyond.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
My biggest problem with Brin's look is that I now can't really tell him apart from Jo. (not a big problem at the moment, but still...)
As frustrating as it is to see Tellus drawn incorrectly, perhaps the editors decided they wanted him more humanoid - fine. But we now have the technology to create the colorful phosphorescent illuminations on his back the way Lightle intended,(as a way to express his emotions, since his facial expressions can be limited) and instead we're stuck with purple rocks on his back.
Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned, but did anyone check out "Total Recall?" Was it a coincidence that Wildfire is stuck in white armor that so closely resembles the armored characters in that film??
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