Are the captions on the cover the 'official' titles of the story?
"1...2...3... It's a Magic Number!"
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Call the Roll!
COSMIC BOY: Just how many lines of dialogue away was Cos from slapping Brainy do you think?
"Like it or not, I'm apparently responsible for an entire generation's right to freedom... My team has no code or discipline...
It looks like Cos's credentials as spiritual leader of the team are going to be demonstrated from the get-go (well--- two+ unseen years in, at any rate).
The revelations here of his suspicions of a Brainiac 'coup' cast #2's snappy patter between the pair in a whole different light. There was more going on there than just good-natured ribbing.
At the story's beginning I appreciate how Cos' perception of Brainy... "You work better when you're given a project." Maybe he needs to keep ol' Brainy a heck of a lot busier...
"Stage two"... team integration, presumably. Can't wait to see this one progress.
BRAINIAC 5: "Zookeeping is a full time job." should be Brainy's epitaph.
Presuming that the flight rings are Brainy's invention, we can add costume/civilian attire switching to their repetoire. And we know they're exceedingly rare... and that, as yet, they don't replicate with Triplicate Girl's power. Handy gadgets.
Ah, sneaky Dox... plotting his little 'internal coup'. Wonder if Cos realizes the Coluan's sights are set much higher than taking over the team...
Now who has yellowish eyes (a mask?) and is getting ready to transmat to the Rimworld? I'm reminded that earlier, Invisible Kid was called one of 'Brainy's kids'... who else qualifies?
ULTRA BOY: "Conformity is for chumps. Being scared of stretching your muscles is for chumps," he says as he drives a millenia-old convertible. "I'm not complicated. This is me in summary. I like to have fun. I'm a super-hero. And it would take me about an hour to ruin you for all other men." Ok-- I rescind my opinion that Mon-el and Superboy should stay on the backburner. This kid needs to be taken down a peg or two. Bring on a Kryptonion. Or a Daxamite. Superboy. Mon-el. Dev-em. Supergirl'd be perfect. Or Night Girl!
Triplicate Girl's summation of Ultra Boy as a slightly evolved gang-banger fits with his portrayal of the last decade or so. I'd like to see a little more depth there, so I'm hoping she's misjudging him a bit.
SUN BOY: That 'unmasking Dirk Morgna' (confirming Sun Boy of Earth's name, presumably) scene was nicely done... a good bit of comedy, furthering the whole retro-worship thing going on in this title. I would've liked a little context-- do *all* the Legionnaires play these games? How much of what they do do they see *as* a game? Fun, though.
"I'm fairly aligned with Cos's views. Call me a loyalist. I wasn't there for the founding." "Believe it or not, my parents encouraged me to join." Interesting. If there's nothing sinister behind this, that makes Sun Boy's parents possibly the first open-minded adults to whom we've been introduced.
"Scary smart", huh? I really don't like Triplicate Girl's comments that follow that, though. "He's not so much dedicated as he is eager to be admired. It's hard to tell if he's loyal or if he's acting loyal because he's in the spotlight."
Just as I was enjoying having a Sun Boy back in the Legion, the spectre of his 'fall' in the 5YL stories has to be invoked. Ugh.
PHANTOM GIRL: I think the page featuring PG and EL is my favorite page in the book. She's a sexy, playful presence... I like the inference that she and EL have an ongoing friendship. It's somewhat intriguing that *both* of them apparently have no concept of 'dating'. Is that true of the whole team? Of 31st century in general? No wonder there's a revolution brewing, if so.
Hmmm. I wonder if Tinya's the one getting ready to transmat to the rimworld?
TRIPLICATE GIRL: "Splits into three" reads the copy under her hero name in the issue's roll call. That doesn't tell the half (or third) of it, does it? This is quite a tale that's going to take a while to absorb. Cargg, reduced to rubble by some agent as yet unknown (mystery to be revealed later?), is populated by one woman split into infinity.
Triplicate Girl's power is actually integration, isn't it? The three girls who are chosen as a delegation to Earth are 'selves' initially replicated by the girl that woke up in Cargg's rubble; now they're a unit unto themselves due to differences incurred while away.
This is a further extension of the 'replicating' superpower that was recently examined and used very well in Marvel's MADROX miniseries. I see echoes of that here. It's sort of like Jamie Madrox manifested his 'feminine side' and she was somehow transported to the DCU Cargg. The info-gathering of the entities and then integrating as knowledge is a great use of the power.
Are they limited to three? Couldn't any one of them replicate 'copies' at any time? Or is it only the 'prime' that can create replicates? It isn't quite clear in the story. At first it would seem that any Carggite could 'fission' off a new self at any time-- but the use of 'we' and 'us' doesn't quite make that clear.
I think I'll have *lots* more to post on Triplicate Girl-- her new origin and persona is very evocative...
I do wish that when Triplicate Girl was telling her story to Element Lad, Sun Boy and Ultra Boy that it'd been more of a dialogue, with her answering their questions or responding to their observations/reactions.
Since she was ostensibly finding out about *them*, it's somewhat amusing that she spends her time with them talking about *her/theirself*.
ELEMENT LAD: PG calls him Jan! And apparently he's a *fairly* recent addition to the ranks... though he's been there long enough to build a history with Phantom Girl and Karate Kid.
I'm not liking this continued motif of Legionnaires not knowing who is or isn't a capital 'L' Legionnaire, as Jan is ignorant of Atom Girl.
"No socialization. No familiarity... earthlings are so conservative. Why do I have to wear clothes at all?" "I like being naked". Now *there's* an icebreaker.
So, Trom is undeveloped, remote... possibly tropical. "I'm not in the Legion to celebrate the past". That makes him the holder of a unique viewpoint in this group, doesn't it? I'm here because we're leading a generational revolution that could alter the galaxy. As a Tromian, it's my spiritual duty to be at the nexus of great change." At first, I inferred that Trom was therefore still populated... but we don't know yet, do we?
So sixty seconds is the limit of Jan's transformations!? Don't like that much... I can see the point that he needed to be unProgenitorized, but let's not get carried away here. Maybe he'll learn to effect longer transformations?
So far, he seems more a stranger to me than any of the other Legionnaires... even the very different Triplicate Girl. I *hope* that won't continue to be true.
MICRO LAD/LIGHT LASS/INVISIBLE KID: I liked the demonstration of Micro Lad's attitude in regards to how he thinks about his name and power. He's unique in that he 'relaxes', I suppose, in order to 'use' his power. I like the interaction between ML and Light Lass...
CHAMELEON: At last he speaks! Awww- I felt a little sorry for him/her. He wanted to play, but the razzafrazza 'cool' kids wouldn't...
Enjoyable issue-- with a nice twist capping what was a fairly simple plot with some very nice moments. I think I like the changes in Triplicate Girl and Cargg-- though it's gonna take some time to sink into my consciousness.
The 'date' scenes were fun (esp. the interaction with Chameleon) and the 'date prep' scene between PG and EL.
The concluding twist of Cos's use of Triplicate Girl as a one-Legionnaire (is she considered one member or three?) Espionage Squad was unexpected and gave some gravity to the date(s). I'd thought TG's new origin was the meat of the story, but I'm not sure it was.
I was disturbed, a bit, by the coalescing Triplicate Girl's arriving with their dates. Ultra Boy had just inferred a little 'menage a quatre' with 'his' TG, only to be confronted by the already separated Carggites, along with their 'dates', Element Lad and Sun Boy. The three boys stare at each other in horror and then run for the 'bar'.
This is sneaking into homophobic territory. Not overt... but there. Including Element Lad, a character often speculated about as gay by fans *and* creators, makes it a bit more... there. It was a funny scene... but I think it might've communicated more than was intended. Or perhaps exactly what *was* intended.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Rimworld and the evolution of the 'stage two'.
Posted by Juan on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: Are they limited to three? Couldn't any one of them replicate 'copies' at any time? Or is it only the 'prime' that can create replicates? It isn't quite clear in the story.
The way I understood this is that the maximum number of copies was eventually reached on Cargg. The three selves that traveled to Earth can't split anymore, because the overall maximum number of selves has already been reached.
Weird. But lots of fun.
Posted by Mario Di Giacomo on :
Did you notice that Phantom Girl is listed as coming from a different _dimension_?
Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: spoiler space
Are the captions on the cover the 'official' titles of the story?
"1...2...3... It's a Magic Number!"
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Call the Roll!
Now who has yellowish eyes (a mask?) and is getting ready to transmat to the Rimworld? I'm reminded that earlier, Invisible Kid was called one of 'Brainy's kids'... who else qualifies?
Timber Wolf? I can't really think of anyone else offhand. My first thought was Shadow Lass, but the yellow eyes don't fit. Hmm...what color eyes did Blok have? We know the Legion was recently on Dryad. Whoever it is isn't a core Legionnaire.
quote:"Scary smart", huh? I really don't like Triplicate Girl's comments that follow that, though. "He's not so much dedicated as he is eager to be admired. It's hard to tell if he's loyal or if he's acting loyal because he's in the spotlight."
We know Sun Boy and Cos have had a least some disagreement in regard to fighting on Lallor or walking away. I think he's loyal to the cause but not necessarily to Cosmic Boy. I also think he loves the spotlight, but that's consistent with the original Sun Boy. I do love the "scary smart" comment because Dirk really was one of the most intelligent Legionnaires in the past.
quote: PHANTOM GIRL: I think the page featuring PG and EL is my favorite page in the book. She's a sexy, playful presence... I like the inference that she and EL have an ongoing friendship. It's somewhat intriguing that *both* of them apparently have no concept of 'dating'. Is that true of the whole team? Of 31st century in general? No wonder there's a revolution brewing, if so.
Not just these two, but Triplicate Girl as well. But Light Lass, Ultra Boy, and Sun Boy seem to know about dating; or, possibly, they don't know and that's why Ayla comes off as "slutty" to some people.
One other thing I liked about the scene above is that PG was reading an obviously old (in terms of the 21st Century) issue of Batman.
quote:Hmmm. I wonder if Tinya's the one getting ready to transmat to the rimworld?
The glowing yellow eyes suggest otherwise.
quote: TRIPLICATE GIRL: "Splits into three" reads the copy under her hero name in the issue's roll call. That doesn't tell the half (or third) of it, does it? This is quite a tale that's going to take a while to absorb. Cargg, reduced to rubble by some agent as yet unknown (mystery to be revealed later?), is populated by one woman split into infinity.
This is definitely a twist on previous versions. But she can't split into infinity, since she found the upper limit.
As for what destroyed Cargg, I'm wondering if it doesn't tie into the looming threat the Legion is going to face.
quote:Triplicate Girl's power is actually integration, isn't it? The three girls who are chosen as a delegation to Earth are 'selves' initially replicated by the girl that woke up in Cargg's rubble; now they're a unit unto themselves due to differences incurred while away.
I see your point, but the issue lists her power as splitting.
quote:Are they limited to three? Couldn't any one of them replicate 'copies' at any time? Or is it only the 'prime' that can create replicates? It isn't quite clear in the story. At first it would seem that any Carggite could 'fission' off a new self at any time-- but the use of 'we' and 'us' doesn't quite make that clear.
There was a stated upper limit to the splitting. ("In time, we founs an upper limit to the number of selves we could fission...") I got the feeling that that limit is still in place and that these three can't split further unless another version of TG on Cargg reintegrates.
quote:I'm not liking this continued motif of Legionnaires not knowing who is or isn't a capital 'L' Legionnaire, as Jan is ignorant of Atom Girl.
I don't think he's alone. Maybe it's more than just ignorance. Maybe it's a Legion Espionage Squad type of thing. PG could be part of that, which might explain why she's aware of Atom Girl's existence.
quote:So far, he seems more a stranger to me than any of the other Legionnaires... even the very different Triplicate Girl. I *hope* that won't continue to be true.
He might be different that previous versions, but I think I might like this Element Lad. He seems to be removed from what we might consider to be standard human behavior.
quote:CHAMELEON: At last he speaks! Awww- I felt a little sorry for him/her. He wanted to play, but the razzafrazza 'cool' kids wouldn't...
Those scenes with Cham had me laughing! Note that he displayed clear emotion. I'm guessing that he's simply going to have to learn how best to fit in with humans - or at least to fake it.
quote:I was disturbed, a bit, by the coalescing Triplicate Girl's arriving with their dates. Ultra Boy had just inferred a little 'menage a quatre' with 'his' TG, only to be confronted by the already separated Carggites, along with their 'dates', Element Lad and Sun Boy. The three boys stare at each other in horror and then run for the 'bar'.
This was an obvious set-up. TG had no intentions of following through with any of them since the dates were just part of her mission. By bringing them all together she effectively ended the dates without doing anything she didn't want to do. Of course, it could have been interesting if they didn't run off. That sure would have thrown TG for a loop!
quote:This is sneaking into homophobic territory. Not overt... but there. Including Element Lad, a character often speculated about as gay by fans *and* creators, makes it a bit more... there. It was a funny scene... but I think it might've communicated more than was intended. Or perhaps exactly what *was* intended.
I didn't read it that way. I think we're just seeing a new EL who isn't entirely like any of the previous versions. I didn't see anything homophobic and it's not like another Legionnaire can't be gay.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Mario Di Giacomo: Did you notice that Phantom Girl is listed as coming from a different _dimension_?
Yes, but that's consistent with at least one other version of Bgztl, if not both previous versions.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
One of the things that is bothering me
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: I'm not liking this continued motif of Legionnaires not knowing who is or isn't a capital 'L' Legionnaire, as Jan is ignorant of Atom Girl.
I'm finding the apparent lack of familiarity of various members with one another rather disturbing, considering the team has been around two years or more. Wouldn't these guys know basic things about each other's homeworlds, and why they joined the Legion and stuff? One would think Sun Boy and Triplicate Girl would know each other fairly well by now, at least well enough to know why the other one joined the team.
Posted by Pizza Delivery Girl on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: spoiler COSMIC BOY: Just how many lines of dialogue away was Cos from slapping Brainy do you think?
Well, verbally he got the last punch in, didn't he?
Command one, command two, End of list.
Because obviously B5 is like some *machine* that requires *instructions*.
Waid, you WIN at subtle. And now I'm curious about Brainy's backstory, which... huh.
Also, zero-some encounter. My inner nerd is very happy right now.
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: BRAINIAC 5: "Zookeeping is a full time job." should be Brainy's epitaph.
Ties in with the goats from last issue. Nice. (*fangirls Waid some more*)
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
Presuming that the flight rings are Brainy's invention, we can add costume/civilian attire switching to their repetoire.
Well, the fact he was playing with it during the outfit change is leading, but perhaps it's just a function of 30th century clothing? All in one wardrobe, be prepared for any situation! I know I'd buy one.
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: I was disturbed, a bit, by the coalescing Triplicate Girl's arriving with their dates. Ultra Boy had just inferred a little 'menage a quatre' with 'his' TG, only to be confronted by the already separated Carggites, along with their 'dates', Element Lad and Sun Boy. The three boys stare at each other in horror and then run for the 'bar'.
This is sneaking into homophobic territory. Not overt... but there. Including Element Lad, a character often speculated about as gay by fans *and* creators, makes it a bit more... there. It was a funny scene... but I think it might've communicated more than was intended. Or perhaps exactly what *was* intended.
As someone who tends to be reasonably sensitive to that sort of thing - I didn't read that into it. There is PLENTY of difference between not-homophobic and yay!-surprise-orgy! Also, I'm with ferroboy - Triplicate Girl obviously wasn't planning on getting any that day. (Although give parts of the fandom a few days, and I'm sure somebody will remedy that.)
Posted by imskian78 on :
Three is magic! After years of no emotion and interaction with each other (compare this run to DNA), it was so great to see the members joking, having different personalities, and SEX! Isn't that what most young adults think about. This mix up of the couples is also very refreshing after reading this book since 1978! Even with the reboot in 1994 most established relationship's stayed the same and this is new and fresh. Mark and Barry...another great issue!
One complaint...if I don't see Violet and Projectra soon I'm gonna lose it!
Posted by Lad Boy on :
A couple of thoughts about Element Lad.
Did anyone else think his civvies were sort of subtley reminiscent of his Cockrum/Grell costume.
I was looking for the picture from Adventure 326 when he says "I'm not in my element around girls" or something like that, but I couldn't find it. I wanted to see if the expression on his face when Triplicate Girl kissed him was similar.
Posted by Semi Transparent Fellow on :
There are so many unanswered questions and possibilites related to Triplicate Girl. Replication beyond 3 is still a possibility - either as a further development of her power, or re-integration with additional selves back on Cargg (although this might be difficult given that she is now an outcast). Also unanswered is whether TG has any telepathic link with her other selves when in Triplicate form. Waid seems to suggest that it does not exist since the bodies must integrate to assimilate the knowlege and experience gained by the individuals.
I think that Waid (and as a result us) is going to have a lot of fun developing this character. For once, I'm really liking TG.
Posted by Starbucks Kid on :
From what I gathered, the Carggites did find a limit to how many replicas they could make and were at the max before sending the 3 to Earth. So, the 3 cannot make more of themselves, only recombine with others.
Now that the rest of her homeplanet has more or less ostracized her, she's pretty much stuck with the 3.
Posted by Hunt Drouin...of space on :
The cover title "Three...It's A Magic Number" has got to be an homage to the old ABC Schoolhouse Rock. Just great for us "longtime legionnaires."
Posted by Legion Tracker on :
It's interesting that Triplicate Girl is now the "lone survivor of her world" like Jan was preboot. And this time, apparently, Jan is not.
Posted by baycent54 on :
My dirty mind speaking: When I first saw the cover of Legion#3, I was half-expecting to see TG raising her second finger in the middle image.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
random thoughts: -- If the Legionnaires take off their rings to get into civvies, does that mean they're back "on the grid"? (assuming they were implanted when young) -- Triplicate Girl must be "scary smart" as well - she basically has whatever knowledge was necessary to rebuild her homeworld almost from scratch. -- Once again we see Colossal Boy's condescending attitude towards the "little people". Makes me wonder how much loyalty he has towards the team and how seriously he takes them. -- Is it me or does the "mystery man" look more like Mon-el? He almost looks like he's wearing a version of Laurel's nun outfit. -- It's too bad that after the great first impression, it turns out Dirk may have the same old vanity carried over from preboot. -- So, the guys run out to "the bar". What's that about? What do they drink and is it legal? It'd be funny if "underagers" have all these curtailed freedoms but are allowed to drink. -- Triplicate Girl's origin reminds me a lot of Madrox: being totally alone with only themselves fr company (though it wasn't as traumatic for Lu as it was for Jaime), the bump in powers to a lot more than three, the absorbsion of information and experience upon reintegration and even the way they "liquify" as they're "slurped back up". -- Interesting to see that at the end of the book, all three form into a separate Lu on that couch rather than two being absorbed into the third (or original). -- Nice to see confirmation that the three founders are still the three founders. -- Why did Dirk melt those scissors? It didn't look intentional - how often does he lose control?
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
i'm lovin' Waid's scripts. Kitson's doing his best work ever. the inking was much improved over last issue. the coloring i agree is a little too murky. Can't wait for some more action! and plot development! -anybody else spot what could be ol' Spider Girl in crowd scene ... a mass of orange hair with breasts walking by. -and notice Lu + Dirk's cups say "Morlo's". a nod to old foe Mantis Morlo. -i see that Lightning Lad has his hand on Saturn Girl's shoulder in the flashback scene. they must be a couple early on. -the new TG origin is intriguing. --Lu has THE ugliest uniform. the cape has got to go. Take a lesson from The Incredibles, "Capes are a dangerous accessory!". and does she really need 3 logos on her uniform? it's just not very aesthetically pleasing. if a whole planet of Lu's can agree on the ugly clothes, why can't they agree on 1 logo? -looks to me like the L rings come with auto super-hero clothes. put the ring on-you're ready to go. take it off- instant civies. can't call'em just flight rings anymore. -love the abundance of teen hormones every ish. it's been too long since we've seen that. -wonder what PG thinks of Ultra Boy? -Cos's brown hair is just wrong. especially in a team full of brown haired white guys. does ANY white guy on the team have black hair? -i miss the Main Meeting Room scenes. maybe that would help Cos get everyone on the same page. -i'll bet that Trom is destroyed in the upcoming war. and E Lad's powers are increased exponentially. **Brainy's mystery ally could be Mon-El, or it could be Shakiri from TT/Legion Special. I'm very happy with these first 3 issues!
Posted by Semi Transparent Fellow on :
It just occurred to me that TG's ability to assimilate knowledge might be exponential. Here's a simplistic explanation (which I already acknowledge has some holes in it). Each body could tackle 1/3 of a problem, merge and assimilate the others' knowlege. I assume that upon splitting again, each body would have all of the knowledge of the whole. Thus the capabilities of each body after the first merge/split are 3 times what they were before. As this goes on, the capablities increase exponentially, i.e., 1 x 3 x 3 x 3 .... Perhaps this explains how they were able to rebuild Cargg so quickly.
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Posted by Tromium on :
This whole issue was like watching an episode of "Freaks and Geeks".
TRIPLICATE GIRL: I'm lukewarm about the "Fission Girl" backstory, but the end justifies the means. I was pleasantly surprised that WaK retained her status as fourth team member, hand-picked by the founders.
The Mata Hari routine certainly raises some troubling ethical questions, but it was also so reminiscent of the old "Girl's Revolt" stories, I couldn't help but chuckle. I interpreted the guys' flight from her bedroom to the bar as a reaction to TG as voracious Man-Eater, at least the way they saw it.
I won't bother debating why her clothing replicates, but not her flight ring, or engage in speculation about auto-eroticism. The only important thing is, TG is an underdog no more.
COSMIC BOY: I'm with Brainy in questioning Cos' decision not to send reinforcements to Rimworld 19. If Cos is so concerned about interstellar war, wouldn't the report of a "massive incursion", combined with a sudden communications outage, had been enough reason to investigate? In this instance, Cos doesn't see the trees for the forest.
"Over my dead body". Hopefully not prophetic. Cos' dilemma recalls the Chu Conspiracy story, where he knew something was rotten in Denmark and formulated a covert plan to deal with it. That the danger is now internal and so close to home makes it all more sinister.
BRAINY: Speaking of sinister. Cos wants to lead by inspiration; Brainy by "enforcing" and "shaping". Cos is the "loyalist"; Brainy is the anarchist. Cos is altruistic; Brainy is egotistical. Despite their extreme differences, these two might make a great leadership TEAM, if only they'd put an end to their pissing contest.
Brainy sending Lightning Lad the image of the man Dream Girl augured HAS to be a setup for issue #5. Now Garth will *know* the enemy when he spots him, quite possibly as the person behind the "deadly super-powered team" he and Saturn Girl are slated to encounter in a couple of months.
As for the yellow-eyed colloborator in the shadows, Brainy's comment "Don't let anyone see you leave" (rather than "Don't let anyone see you.") suggests he may already be a known quantity at Legion HQ. Our first peek at Mystery Boot Boy, perhaps. A Brainy/Vril and T-Wolf/Lobo team-up is also a possibility.
SUN BOY: Does "Loyalist" mean someone who's loyal to the U.P? That makes as much sense as being loyal to the United Nations. I'm glad to have Dirk back on board, but I miss the peerless Silver Age Sun Boy, whose loyalty to the Legion was beyond question and who was much too chivalrous ever to call Lu a "ninny".
CHAMELEON: Wanting to morph into a "puppy" hints at a longing for acceptance. He's jealous of Sun Boy's popularity, so I think these two will come to blows again. I feel a little sorry for Cham, but I still don't like him/her/it very much, so the humor of his scenes was lost on me.
MICRO LAD/COLOSSAL BOY: "Are you suggesting I HIDE?" Also, "I don't call you Not Light Lass..." I LOVE this guy.
INVISIBLE KID: Unlike Micro Lad, Lyle DID hide. His fear of discovery by the S.P. might well figure in his spotlight issue next month.
ULTRA BOY: Is the muscle car Legion property? If so, how could they afford a rare antique that costs "a thousand credits a foot" to operate when they can't afford the cost of another flight ring? I wouldn't be surprised if U-Boy stole it from a museum. He definitely has the makings of a real loser. I was happy when TG handed him his comeuppance.
PHANTOM GIRL: It's obvious the lovely Phantom Girl has eluded Ultra Boy's grasp, or she'd know a lot more about dating practices. Even better, we know Tinya can't possibly be half-Carggite.
Is that a 4th Millennium reprint she's reading?
LIGHTNING LAD and SATURN GIRL: "They'll handle". Each other, apparently. Unromantic cynic that I am, I had really hoped these two characters would evolve in new and separate directions. One consolation at least: Cosmic Boy's directive to "leave [them] to their own devices" means there's no founders' triangle garbage this time. Who knows? The three of them might even be close friends again. How Levitzian.
ELEMENT LAD: Nice civvies, especially the green bolero jacket and the way its design evokes the old up-arrow symbol. I like the inherent sweetness he exhibits in the "rite of vegetation" scene and his genuine surprise when Lu pecks him on the cheek (does that one qualify as the new Legion's first kiss?). However, the "Nature Boy" origin and the 60-second power limitation were the biggest disappointments of the issue for me. We have Element Lad back, but at what cost?
The fact Jan had *no reaction* whatsoever to Lu's tale about the destruction of her race is fairly convincing evidence that Trom escaped a similar fate.
Tromian? I prefer Trommite. Is Tromium still extant? Whatever.
[ February 25, 2005, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Tromium ]
Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: COSMIC BOY: I'm with Brainy in questioning Cos' decision not to send reinforcements to Rimworld 19. If Cos is so concerned about interstellar war, wouldn't the report of a "massive incursion", combined with a sudden communications outage, had been enough reason to investigate? In this instance, Cos doesn't see the trees for the forest.
"Over my dead body". Hopefully not prophetic. Cos' dilemma recalls the Chu Conspiracy story, where he knew something was rotten in Denmark and formulated a covert plan to deal with it. That the danger is now internal and so close to home makes
Are you thinking that Garth and Imra are the "covert team"? That was my thought. After all, if you lose contact with your teammates, wouldn't it make sense to send a team to find out what's going on? Not if something's happening that you don't want Brainiac to know about.
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by ferroboy: Are you thinking that Garth and Imra are the "covert team"? That was my thought. After all, if you lose contact with your teammates, wouldn't it make sense to send a team to find out what's going on? Not if something's happening that you don't want Brainiac to know about.
I suspect they were just vacationing in the wrong place at the wrong time (or right place at the right time, depending how you look at it), but I agree that Cosmic Boy's lack of concern about them being caught in the middle of a a "massive incursion" is pretty odd unless he had something else up his sleeve. Maybe Cos was trying to trap Brainy into revealing his secret collaborator.
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
I don't much care for the tinkering with origins. Gim's works, the others....not so much. Triplicate Girl I like just as a funny Cargggite.
Though I agree, it wasn't homophobic. It's the sort of tricks certain girls play on guys once they figure out that men can be deeply deeply deeply stupid.
Posted by Faraway Lad on :
Funny but I was really taken by the Two "adults" this issue.
"this is why civilized people oughtn't congregate in public"
" I thought it would be nice to step outdoors"
"koff koff. they're even polluting the air now"
"savages"
To me in this one short exchange explains a lot about how UP society is. It is urban, indoors, sanitized, purified, processed. It is pretty impersonal, notice the clothing they wear, covered and keeping everything (and everyone) out. Yet it is not devoid of love as this is obviously a couple and with some feeling for each other.
"see dear" and they are close together.
This gives us a quick view into the society the Legion is fighting to change.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Wow, Darden. I totally dismissed that part. Thanks for pointing it out. You are right.
Nice job, Mark and Barry!
And I'm of the camp that says that Cos sent LL and SG on a secret mission and they are not vacationing.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
The question the adult couple raised in my mind is: what were they protecting themselves from? If U-Boy was right, the city has environmental filters or whatever to make the atmosphere pristine. I'm going to guess there are similar safeguards in place to protect from UV rays and it doesn't seem that cold out. Is it just customary? Are these outfits like burkhas? Is it just earthers who are this severe? The adult Lallorians we saw were in armor so we can't tell from that, but Nura's people weren't as covered up as that.
Posted by Tromium on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: And I'm of the camp that says that Cos sent LL and SG on a secret mission and they are not vacationing.
If LL and SG were Cos's secret agents, and Brainy was deliberately left out of the loop, why wouldn't Garth have reported to Cos in secret? His communique not only disclosed his and Imra's whereabouts to Brainy, but revealed a potential threat that raised Brainy's hackles and practically invited intervention. If LL was supposed to be working sub rosa, he did a pretty good job undermining his own mission, imo.
His report might have been a disinformation ploy to bamboozle Brainy somehow, but I kinda doubt it considering what's supposed to happen in issue #5.
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
My guess is Earth is the heart of the problem but there's a silent culture of total repression of danger and health hazards covering the entire planet along with limiting human relationships
(perhaps dating is all done by computers, plus no rape!)
There was a Sci-Fi channel original movie where everyone lived in there apartments and were tended by a computer in their building. Everyone grew pathologically disturbed by other people and relied on the entertainments in their apartment both physical and otherwise rather than risk going outside.
Posted by Sir Tim Drake on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: My guess is Earth is the heart of the problem but there's a silent culture of total repression of danger and health hazards covering the entire planet along with limiting human relationships
(perhaps dating is all done by computers, plus no rape!)
That sounds reasonable to me. I got the sense that the Legionnaires weren't familiar with the concept of dating because it's simply become obsolete in this century. It's possible that dating is still practiced on Earth even if it's not practiced on Bgztl or Trom, but since we've already seen how repressive Earth is, I doubt that.
Though I must say that what the Legionnaires are doing seems closer to "hooking up" than "dating." Posted by Korbal on :
Why (not to mention how) was Cosmic Boy imitating a night light in the last panel?
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Hi Guys Sorry if I've been a bit of an absentee lately - I've been working on a VERY detailed large cast issue!
Glad to read you're still finding lots to discuss - and spotting lots of the 'little touches' we're trying to include!
I know we're still posing probably more questions than we're providing answers right now... but it'll all come together ....we hope Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: I don't much care for the tinkering with origins. Gim's works, the others....not so much. Triplicate Girl I like just as a funny Cargggite.
Note that Triplicate Girl is *still* the odd Carggite who isn't really welcomed by her people.
quote:Though I agree, it wasn't homophobic. It's the sort of tricks certain girls play on guys once they figure out that men can be deeply deeply deeply stupid.
I think the 'homophobic' content was simply that Element Lad is not heterosexual, not anything the characters did. (And I disagree that it's homophobic anyway.)
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
I'm going to guess Element Lad isn't homosexual in this reboot or probably Shavaugn Erin (if she ever shows up) is a man.
Just a funny feeling.
It's not necessarily a bad thing in my opinion since while there's always room for homosexual characters, the retcon for Element Lad was always extraordinarily badly done in my opinion.
It implied the future was dastardly homophobic that Shavaugn would have to become a woman to be with a person she liked.
[ February 27, 2005, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Charles Phipps ]
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: This is sneaking into homophobic territory. Not overt... but there. Including Element Lad, a character often speculated about as gay by fans *and* creators, makes it a bit more... there. It was a funny scene... but I think it might've communicated more than was intended. Or perhaps exactly what *was* intended.
Sneaking into would mean approaches homophobic territory. I was *not* calling the comic or creators outright homophobic.
If EL, SB and UB had never worked with TP (maybe she's been busy on Cargg bureaucratic business?) and didn't know what her power was (so many Legionnaires seem pretty clueless about each other...), then the scene would be a perfect little homage to very early Triplicate Girl/Triad Legion appearances in other eras.
But that's not how I read it. I read it as three boys so freaked out by the presence of other boys in a sexual-ish situation that they go running and yelling out of the room. Interesting that they stay together, though.
Actually, if you just considered what the word 'homophobia' actually means (fear of same-sex sex), the scene-- or at least the male characters-- definitely *is/are* homophobic. But since we use the word to mean much more than its technical definition, I would *not* label the scene or characters as such.
Sorry for any confusion.
I also wouldn't say that any of these characters experiencing a 'hetero' date precludes any of them from having or developing different facets to their sexuality.
I'd be surprised if they did, but it isn't ruled out, IMO.
Posted by SiliconDream on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: But that's not how I read it. I read it as three boys so freaked out by the presence of other boys in a sexual-ish situation that they go running and yelling out of the room. Interesting that they stay together, though
They need not be particularly freaked out by their being boys, either. They're three very different personalities--which is doubtless why Waid/Luornu chose them--and may simply not be interested in getting closer to each other. Maybe Dirk and Jo, for instance, just aren't Jan's type.
Also, even if they were all consumed with lust for one another, the sheer surprise/humiliation factor of finding out that your date was busy with two other people at the same time would be pretty powerful.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
Or maybe Jan thought it was all part of the 'dating ritual'... and he was just 'copying' UB and Dirk.
Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: If EL, SB and UB had never worked with TP (maybe she's been busy on Cargg bureaucratic business?) and didn't know what her power was (so many Legionnaires seem pretty clueless about each other...), then the scene would be a perfect little homage to very early Triplicate Girl/Triad Legion appearances in other eras.
But that's not how I read it. I read it as three boys so freaked out by the presence of other boys in a sexual-ish situation that they go running and yelling out of the room. Interesting that they stay together, though.
OK, they I definitely misread the intentions of your original post. Still, I don't agree. It could just be that they weren't into the orgy scene rather than anything else. That said, you could still be right.
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
Personally, I think there's a certain questionability to anyone whose protest is that someone of their age isn't going to be comfortable with going against their own sexuality.
Though the joke is fairly juvenile, I'd expect freaked out reactions from plenty of true homosexuals if their date wanted to involve a girl.
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: It implied the future was dastardly homophobic that Shavaugn would have to become a woman to be with a person she liked.
Actually, it implied that Jan wasn't gay at all.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: Personally, I think there's a certain questionability to anyone whose protest is that someone of their age isn't going to be comfortable with going against their own sexuality.
LOL! You mean they wouldn't jump right in? My illusions are shattered...
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: Though the joke is fairly juvenile, I'd expect freaked out reactions from plenty of true homosexuals if their date wanted to involve a girl.
I doubt they'd go running in abject horror, though... but if they did, I guess the dialogue balloon would read 'Gay Bar'!
Seriously, 'uncomfortable', sure... maybe angry or hurt. Big gulf between that and running away without even saying 'good night'.
It's belaboring the point, but a variety of responses among the very different personalities of EL, UB and SB would've been better.
Posted by Yellow King on :
I can't for the life of me see a reason for Jan to transmute that boulder. Just a demonstration of power for the sake of expository dialogue? Usually Mark's a bit more subtle than that, for instance I just realized that each of the guys shows off his power during thier date but they (and we) fail to realize that she's using hers too. I suppose the changing surroundings when changing point of view was supposed to be a clue but I missed it and fell for the surprise gag ending...and yes I think it's a nice touch to use the -bringing three different people together- bit from TG's previous existance.
Good issue but I want to know more about what happened to Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl, I was disappointed that we only got a glimpse of Garth and I think the SP Officer was Lyle's dad. -which would explain his shyness- Loved the Atom Girl scene, the whole thing sounds like such a con. Just the thing to liven up a dull day at the clubhouse. Lornu's new story wasn't anything like I expected but it's classic sci-fi (very Twilight Zone-ish) and I think that's part of it's point. "Heat Vision" - yeah! A Batman comic for a dating guide. My "Inner Nerd" was highly amused, not laughing mind you but tickled) A "Guess the Secret Identity" game seems perfectly reasonable for a bunch of comic book fans and Cham's faux pas was a laugh out loud moment for me.
Mark's pacing is pretty tight through this. Three cutaway scenes where we get the intergalactic news and everything else from TG's POV. And it's another "done in one" story. I'm loving this aspect of the book. Complete stand alone stories interwoven with long term stuff. (reminds me a bit of the old Levitz days) Waid's building interest in this "Intergalactic War" one reference at a time. By the time we get to the war part it'll be a full blown Legion Epic. (I hope)
I wonder if we're right about Mon-el, maybe SG couldn't find any evidence of him because he's in the Phantom Zone?
...and who's that in the first panel of page 18? (the page where TG joins the Legion) I'd guess the girl is Projectra but who are the two guys?
*Oh yeah I almost forgot to mention that I think I see Lash Lad in a crowd scene. I think Barry's inserting sketches of real people from the conventions as Legionnires. That's SO cool!*
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
quote:Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: It implied the future was dastardly homophobic that Shavaugn would have to become a woman to be with a person she liked.
Actually, it implied that Jan wasn't gay at all.
Well I certainly had my arguement clarrified in one point :-)
and there's a certain level of social acceptance relevant in "running out screaming." Personally, I know plenty of gays who'd want to be able to run out because its a display
'HELL NO'
It's an immature response and implies a certain amount of freedom. I'm against "Element Lad is a hyper alien" though.
I like Element lad when he's just a orphan personally
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Glad to read you're still finding lots to discuss - and spotting lots of the 'little touches' we're trying to include!
I asked this before after #1 and if you answered elsewhere, forgive the repitition but were there any "little touches" that we missed in the first two issues?? (stuff that wouldn't be spoilerish of course)
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
The little touch they were in the same room got entire magazines devoted to it ;-)
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Glad to read you're still finding lots to discuss - and spotting lots of the 'little touches' we're trying to include!
I asked this before after #1 and if you answered elsewhere, forgive the repitition but were there any "little touches" that we missed in the first two issues?? (stuff that wouldn't be spoilerish of course)
There are still a few unnoticed 'touches' but I don't want to reveal them until they've 'paid off' - I'll own up of course if someone spots them first! Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Yellow King: A Batman comic for a dating guide. My "Inner Nerd" was highly amused, not laughing mind you but tickled)
At least it dated from around the '50s.
I'd really be scared for these kids if they were getting dating tips from the current Bat-books.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: It implied the future was dastardly homophobic that Shavaugn would have to become a woman to be with a person she liked.
Actually, it implied that Jan wasn't gay at all.
I'd say it implied that *Shvaughn/Sean* thought he wasn't gay.
And it was made clear in that story that Shvaughn/Sean's homeworld *was* a homophobic/misogynistic place... not necessarily the greater UP.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: and there's a certain level of social acceptance relevant in "running out screaming." Personally, I know plenty of gays who'd want to be able to run out because its a display
'HELL NO'
It's an immature response and implies a certain amount of freedom. I'm against "Element Lad is a hyper alien" though.
I like Element lad when he's just a orphan personally
I'm not sure what you mean in the first comment-- if it's what I think it's a little insulting... maybe you left off a graemlin?
I am thoroughly with you about Jan as a last survivor (*much* more than an orphan- I think you'll agree), though.
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
quote:Originally posted by Charles Phipps: It implied the future was dastardly homophobic that Shavaugn would have to become a woman to be with a person she liked.
Actually, it implied that Jan wasn't gay at all.
I'd say it implied that *Shvaughn/Sean* thought he wasn't gay.
You could well be right.
It makes Sean look like a doormat for going to the lengths he did for years and not asking straight out, but you could be right.
Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Glad to read you're still finding lots to discuss - and spotting lots of the 'little touches' we're trying to include!
I spy another possible in-joke/homage in LSH # 3: Chameleon's "Stupid, stupid Legionnaires!"
I wonder if the new Cham will turn out to be from a town called Boneville ?
-------------------- "STUPID, STUPID RAT CREATURES!!" Posted by Jerry on :
Sean was not gay. He was a transexual who had an adolescent crush on Elelment Lad. He lived in a time when the miracles of science made it easy to switch genders. She became a first rate Science Police officer and eventually commander after switching to her preferred gender. She developed a relationship with the man she had harbored a crush on as a young boy. Life was going pretty well until the tragedy of war made her Profem impossible to get. In reverting to his previous gender Sean was forced to reveal his secret to the man he loved. In doing so he learned that Jan's ability to love him trancended gender.
A beautiful story. One of my all time favorites in the Legion or any other comic book.
[ March 01, 2005, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
The statement I stand by as basically that homosexuals should have a right to overeact when someone suggests they go against their sexuality. Just as much as any hetreosexual.
Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
quote:Originally posted by Bicycle Repair Man: I spy another possible in-joke/homage in LSH # 3: Chameleon's "Stupid, stupid Legionnaires!"
I wonder if the new Cham will turn out to be from a town called Boneville ?
Either that, or he's related to Lester Spiffany! (I think this requires its own topic!)
Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Sean was not gay. He was a transexual who had an adolescent crush on Elelment Lad.
I think the consensus is that Sean was gay. He became Shvaughn because he thought it was the only way he could be with Jan.
Posted by Jerry on :
quote:Originally posted by ferroboy:
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Sean was not gay. He was a transexual who had an adolescent crush on Elelment Lad.
I think the consensus is that Sean was gay. He became Shvaughn because he thought it was the only way he could be with Jan.
Hmm. I've never seen it that way, but your interpretation may help explain why so many people hated the stroy line. If Sean changed genders just to be with Jan that would be horribly out of character. Shvaughn was always happy and outgoing. She seemed to love her career, her freinds, the time she spent with the Legion, and trying to solve a good mystery. She enjoyed her life in so may aspects. She enjoyed being a woman. I beleive the despair she showed when she no longer had access to the Profem was over losing her life as a woman, not because she feared losing Jan. An incredibly bold story, in my opinion. One which was truly and deeply respectful of past characterization of both Shvaughn and Jan. I realize I'm in the minority here.
Back to issue #3. I found nothing homophobic or out of the ordinary in the boys' reaction. They were freaked out by an odd situation and responded in a slightly immature fashion. Very much in character with the way the new team has been presented so far. I laughed.
[ March 01, 2005, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
Posted by Beagz on :
Was it just me, or did issue 3 imply that Lu's integration was voluntary?
When Legion Lu went back to the planet, she was shunned. The easiest way to overcome this would be to initiate a re-integration. Once that was done, all the others could "experience" what it was like to be a member of the Legion.
But because none of the others allowed re-integration, it seemed to imply that any sort if re-integration MUST be voluntary. Otherwise, Legion-Lu would have simply initiated a re-assimilation. Unless it's initiated by Lu-Prime? (Sorry ... "Lu-Prime" sounds so cold, but I didn't know how to designate her.)
I dunno. Maybe it's not a big thing. But it does (at least for me) open up a LOT of possibilities.
Posted by Mario Di Giacomo on :
Since she can re-intergrate with her two sibs, it is likely to be a voluntary act.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
I just hope Waid doesn't leave us hanging too long with an explanation for Lu's origin. Lord knows the preboot had enough danglers by the time it ended.
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
I like Trippy's eyes, she's so cute
Actually, we learned a bit more about Atom Girl this issue. If Element Lad doesn't even believe she EXISTS then its most likely she's got a bigger case of the shys than any previous version has.
[ March 04, 2005, 01:04 AM: Message edited by: Charles Phipps ]
Posted by Cham55 on :
Or a bigger case of the espionage squad.
And ... Lu seemed quite comfortable with Cos visiting her in the bedroom ... are they more than colleagues?
Posted by Charles Phipps on :
I don't think she has quite the idea that there's a privacy problem.
After all, she grew up where you've seen it before
;-)
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by ferroboy:
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Sean was not gay. He was a transexual who had an adolescent crush on Elelment Lad.
I think the consensus is that Sean was gay. He became Shvaughn because he thought it was the only way he could be with Jan.
Concensus implies everyone agrees. I don't.
Shvaugn was a real character. Sean was a best-forgotten caracature, at best an imposter or delusion, perhaps created by Glorith.
In no way whatsoever can I reconcile the whiney mass of lines and color with the character Levitz established who survived even into early TMK, regardless of sexuality/gender.
As far as I'm concerned, any need to cling to a label -gay or straight- by the 30th/31st century will be irrelevant. People will have their predominant tasts, yes, but neither will they be limited from acting on any variances from those preferences.
In other words, just as I may prefer black-haired women, that preference does not prevent me from dating red-heads or blondes. Long before 3000 CE, sexual prefences will be regarded similarly, I say - and I point to Vi and Ayla as examples.
The more I think on it, the less possible the Sean character seems, the less he fits, and the more he contradicts the reality around him - sort of as if Mickey Mouse had been edited into Reservoir Dogs.
I choose to think that #31 was a drug-induced delusion, and the Sean that appears therafter is a seperate character entirely, whether gay or not.
Posted by ferroboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare:
quote:Originally posted by ferroboy:
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Sean was not gay. He was a transexual who had an adolescent crush on Elelment Lad.
I think the consensus is that Sean was gay. He became Shvaughn because he thought it was the only way he could be with Jan.
Concensus implies everyone agrees. I don't.
Shvaugn was a real character. Sean was a best-forgotten caracature, at best an imposter or delusion, perhaps created by Glorith.
If you're arguing from "I don't like this so I'll ignore it," there's really nothing more to say. *I* don't like it and think it messed with the character of Shvaughn. However, within the context of the story, Sean is gay. Maybe pre-Mordruverse Shvaughn was always Shvaughn. Maybe Glorith did change things. But the story still stands, regardless of the truth.
quote:As far as I'm concerned, any need to cling to a label -gay or straight- by the 30th/31st century will be irrelevant. People will have their predominant tasts, yes, but neither will they be limited from acting on any variances from those preferences.
Has it been acceptable in the last 1000 years? There are no guarantees.
quote:In other words, just as I may prefer black-haired women, that preference does not prevent me from dating red-heads or blondes. Long before 3000 CE, sexual prefences will be regarded similarly, I say - and I point to Vi and Ayla as examples.
And just because I "prefer" men it doesn't prevent me from dating women. Anyone can date anyone if they want - but it's the underlying feelings and motivations that count.
quote:The more I think on it, the less possible the Sean character seems, the less he fits, and the more he contradicts the reality around him - sort of as if Mickey Mouse had been edited into Reservoir Dogs.
I choose to think that #31 was a drug-induced delusion, and the Sean that appears therafter is a seperate character entirely, whether gay or not.
Could be. I'm one of those who thinks TMK began to spiral downward quickly after the first year.
Posted by insanelad on :
Have finally gotten hold of issue 3 - and I thought it was great!
Interesting new spin on Lu's powers, and I like the whole retention of memories thing - similar to what Marvel are doing with Madrox, but who am I to complain? I thought it was a good boost for Madrox too. Very sneaky of Cos to send her out to gather information, and Lu's insights into ther boy's motives seem to be spot on as far as we know. I also question what we were told by Lu - who's to say that she was only saying what she was saying to get a response from the boys?
I'm really enjoying the new run (although I do wonder if it'll stop by issue 38 like the other runs...) - it's put a definate new spin on the Legion concept, and for once it's going in a new direction - these are new characters, not remodels of old ones. I'm enjoying the darker, more adult tone of the story - slightly ironic considering that we're talking about kids here.
... should Shikari be knocking around somewhere? Was it ever established that she was in the current Legion universe, or is she elsewhere? In a way I hope she's ot around, I don't think that there needs to be a link to the 'old' Legion - this is far too interesting already.
Posted by ferroboy on :
What's the significance of issue #38 other than that's when the last series ended. The three Legion series' the preceded it all had longer runs.
As for Shikari, I don't see the problem. She could just say that she's from somewhere else and that the Legion reminds her of people she used to know. No detail is needed, which prevents newer readers from getting needlessly bogged down by past continuity.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Triplicate Girl's origin story is interesting, but isn't it negated by the fact that her other selves back on the homeworld don't want anything to do with her now? So we're back to one girl in three, or three in one, who's an outcast. Maybe she'll develop different personalities - one of the selves won't want to merge for some reason? (No! I'm not sharing Sun Boy with you two!)
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by ferroboy: What's the significance of issue #38 other than that's when the last series ended. The three Legion series' the preceded it all had longer runs.
#38 is traditionally significant in runs of the Legion. For example, v3 #38 was the death of Superboy, and v4 #38 was the destruction of the Earth. And, of course, Adventure #338 was the first big showdown with the Time Trapper...
Posted by ferroboy on :
Oh, cool! I knew about Superboy's death, but I didn't pay enough attention to when Earth was destroyed. I remember the moon (#19) being destroyed. And I had no idea about the Time Trapper. Interesting theme. I hope Mark and Barry follow up with a Very Special #38.
Posted by Beetleblack on :
Have to admit that I wasn't all that impressed with the first issue of the new series but issue 2 grew on me and I thought issue 3 was great. Love Triplicate Girl's origin, it was kind of sad and over all I felt the issue flowed better, maybe having the one character through out helped.
Btw, does anyone know if we are getting a version of Shrinking Violet in this reboot or not?
Posted by ferroboy on :
Yes, but she'll be called (initially, at least) Atom Girl. She's already a member. In fact, I'd suggest you re-read #3 because the scene with Element Lad and Phantom Girl makes a direct reference to her.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Her head is already drawn and inked ready for a cover inclusion
After she makes her official debut - I'll reveal which panel she actually first appeared in Posted by Starbucks Kid on :
I think that by and large, most people will agree that the Shvaugn-Transexual plotline can be chalked up to really, really bad story writing.
Let's forget it ever happened...please?
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: After she makes her official debut - I'll reveal which panel she actually first appeared in
Wasn't that her in the seven page preview group shot at the end? (and again in issue #1 in the wide shot of the lounge area on the table (standing either with other Imskians or a couple of action figures)?) Or are we going to have to play a couple rounds of "Where's Violet?"
Posted by ferroboy on :
OK, Starbucks! It never happened! In fact, it didn't, because we all know damn well that it wasn't the case pre-Mordruverse. Glorith really knows how to screw up a good thing, doesn't she?
Posted by Arachne on :
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Her head is already drawn and inked ready for a cover inclusion
After she makes her official debut - I'll reveal which panel she actually first appeared in
Yay!!!! Posted by Beagz on :
She's actually been hiding in the ears of certain members of the Legion.
![[Cosmic Boy - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/CosmicBoy3.gif)
COSMIC BOY: Just how many lines of dialogue away was Cos from slapping Brainy do you think? ![[Brainiac 5 - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/Brainiac53.gif)
BRAINIAC 5: "Zookeeping is a full time job." should be Brainy's epitaph. ![[Ultra Boy - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/UltraBoy3.gif)
ULTRA BOY: "Conformity is for chumps. Being scared of stretching your muscles is for chumps," he says as he drives a millenia-old convertible. "I'm not complicated. This is me in summary. I like to have fun. I'm a super-hero. And it would take me about an hour to ruin you for all other men." Ok-- I rescind my opinion that Mon-el and Superboy should stay on the backburner. This kid needs to be taken down a peg or two. Bring on a Kryptonion. Or a Daxamite. Superboy. Mon-el. Dev-em. Supergirl'd be perfect. Or Night Girl! ![[Sun Boy - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/SunBoy3.gif)
SUN BOY: That 'unmasking Dirk Morgna' (confirming Sun Boy of Earth's name, presumably) scene was nicely done... a good bit of comedy, furthering the whole retro-worship thing going on in this title. I would've liked a little context-- do *all* the Legionnaires play these games? How much of what they do do they see *as* a game? Fun, though.![[Phantom Girl - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/PhantomGirl3.gif)
PHANTOM GIRL: I think the page featuring PG and EL is my favorite page in the book. She's a sexy, playful presence... I like the inference that she and EL have an ongoing friendship. It's somewhat intriguing that *both* of them apparently have no concept of 'dating'. Is that true of the whole team? Of 31st century in general? No wonder there's a revolution brewing, if so.![[Triplicate Girl - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/TriplicateGirl3.gif)
TRIPLICATE GIRL: "Splits into three" reads the copy under her hero name in the issue's roll call. That doesn't tell the half (or third) of it, does it? This is quite a tale that's going to take a while to absorb. Cargg, reduced to rubble by some agent as yet unknown (mystery to be revealed later?), is populated by one woman split into infinity. ![[Element Lad - Re-Imagined]](graemlins/ElementLad3.gif)
ELEMENT LAD: PG calls him Jan! And apparently he's a *fairly* recent addition to the ranks... though he's been there long enough to build a history with Phantom Girl and Karate Kid. ![[LOL]](graemlins/lol.gif)
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
and he was just 'copying' UB and Dirk.
![[Mad]](mad.gif)
![[Shrinking Violet]](graemlins/ShrinkingViolet.gif)