Hi Guys the excellent Mr.Wacker and I were hoping you could help us answer something....
If LSH had continued in Adventure Comics with no breaks from the end of the 'Tales of the Legion' numbering - what issue # would we be at now (October cover date)?
All help gratefully received! Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Hmmm...if I understand the question correctly...then the answer would be ADVENTURE COMICS #817 for OCT 2005.
It was 36 years ago that the Legion stopped appearing in Adventure Comics regularly, ADVENTURE COMICS #380, MAY 1969.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
IF we continue the numbering from the last non-digest issue the answer becomes ADVENTURE COMICS #774 for OCT 2005. #490 had a FEB 1982 cover date.
IF we continue the numbering with the digests then the answer becomes ADVENTURE COMICS #768 for OCT 2005. #503 had a SEP 1983 cover date.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
ooops my idiocy - it was Superboy numbering that took LSH into the 'Baxter period' wasn't it....so if we continued numbering from the last original story in Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes (#325 June 85?) ...we'd be at #568 come October this year? About 200 behind Adventure had that run continued?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Oops! Sorry. The series in Adventure was called "Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes" too, so I misunderstood. And actually the last original story, #325 had a cover date of July 1985, but you're right that the number would still come out to be #568.
If you continue the series from the Baxter version it'd be #257.
If you continue the series from TMK/Reboot LSH it'd be #192.
[ October 18, 2005, 02:23 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Vee on :
Ahem......
Gary Rocks!!!! Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Wow. I'm not worthy.
Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
Dang. Barry sure came to the right place.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Well, if that impresses you guys , then just think that the series would be at #390 for OCT 2005, if it was continued from the original LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES four-issue reprint series from 1973. Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Hi Guys the excellent Mr.Wacker and I were hoping you could help us answer something....
If LSH had continued in Adventure Comics with no breaks from the end of the 'Tales of the Legion' numbering - what issue # would we be at now (October cover date)?
All help gratefully received!
hey Barry !!
isn't GARY cool for working out those numbers
so is this just a general question from you and MR WACKER !!??
or do you guy's plan on returning the current title to it's original numbering total to tie-in with "INFINITE CRISIS" ..........
Matthew.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Here's another challenge for you, Gary:
Suppose ADVENTURE COMICS # 247, the first Legion story, had been LSH # 1. And suppose that every major Legion story (not counting minor cameo appearances and guest-appearances in other comics where the Legion was clearly not the "star") was part of that series. And suppose that this series was published continuously since the first issue (cover dated April 1958), allowing for times of suspension when the real series were not published (e.g., the five-month-or-so break between v.3 and v.4). Supposing all of that, on what issue would the series be now?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Interesting question that would actually be a matter of taste. As the significance of many of the early appearances is subjective.
For me, here's how I'd break it down...
By the time the Legion stopped regularly appearing in ADVENTURE COMICS with #380, I'd estimate our make-believe LSH series at being at #102. And LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #116 would be the same as their final ACTION COMICS appearance in #392. Personally, I'd like to include the Legion's first series of 4 issues that were reprints, so I'd estimate our series being at issue #134 with SUPERBOY #200. (If you disagree then just subtract 4 from here on out.)
Now then for the first split...does one include the Tales issues or just switch the numbering to LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES (vol. 3)? The last non-Tales LSH (v. 2) issue is #313 which would be our LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #247. Ignoring Tales would give us a #310 for LSH (v. 3) #63. Or pretending we go bi-weekly for awhile to include Tales then we come to #351 for LSH (v. 3) #63.
The second split comes with the LEGIONNAIRES series. Do you include it? Without it, LSH (v. 4) #125 gives you #435 (w/o Tales) and #476 (w/Tales). With it, LEGIONNAIRES #81 gives you #516 (w/o Tales) and #557 (w/Tales).
Compounding the problem is LEGION LOST (12 issues) and LEGION WORLDS (6 issues). Since it's easy to add these in later, let's forget them for now.
The LEGION lasted 38 issues, giving us #554 (w/Legionnaires, w/o Tales) and #595 (w/Legionnaires, w/Tales) and #473 (w/o Tales/Legionnaires) and #514 (w/Tales, w/o Legionnaires).
With LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES (v. 5) #9 having the OCT 2005 coverdate, it would work out to be either #604 (w/Legionnaires, w/Tales) or #523 (w/Tales, w/o Legionnaires) or #563 (w/Legionnaires, w/o Tales) or #482 (w/o Tales/Legionnaires). Subtract 4 from any of the above to remove the first LSH reprint series. Add 12 to 18 to include LOST or WORLDS.
[ October 19, 2005, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
My head hurts now.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Okay, but what if we started with Secrets of the LSH? Posted by Caliente on :
That's just. plain. evil. of you EDE. Evil.
But Gary is officially the king. Just 'cause.
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
isn't GARY cool for working out those numbers
Matthew. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Absolutely! Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Gariac 5!
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
Nightcrawler should become Calculator Kid!
Now Gary, if John boards the East Bound train carrying a 'very fine' copy of Adventure Comics #247, going 65 miles per hour and Myrtle rides a West Bound train holding a 'near mint' copy of the same issue traveling at 57 miles per hour, at what time should Larry eat his tuna fish sandwich?
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
quote:Originally posted by Monkey Eater Lad: Nightcrawler should become Calculator Kid!
Now Gary, if John boards the East Bound train carrying a 'very fine' copy of Adventure Comics #247, going 65 miles per hour and Myrtle rides a West Bound train holding a 'near mint' copy of the same issue traveling at 57 miles per hour, at what time should Larry eat his tuna fish sandwich?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Well, after sleeping on it and deciding that since the book is supposed to be ongoing since ADVENTURE COMICS #247, I'm adding the LOST/WORLDS series to the mix. Also, since both Tales and Legionnaires added much to the mythos, we'll include them as our bi-weekly years. Therefore, the answer to HWW's question (for me) is:
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #622 (OCT 2005)
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Hell, I counted 621. Guess I have to go back to the begining and start over.
Great work Gary!
[ October 19, 2005, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
Posted by RTVU2 on :
Wow. That's just plain awesome Gary.
Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #622 (OCT 2005)
wow !!
who would actual like to see a return to an ongoing numbering total !!??
wasn't MARK WAID the writer on "FANTASTIC FOUR" when it returned to it's original numbers, at issue 500 !!??
i kinda wish they hadn't kept re-starting at numbers 1's !!
Matthew.
Posted by Thriftshop Debutante on :
Confidential to Larry: before the Space-Mayo turns.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
Since Gary is doing people's math homeowrk for them...
If one train is traveling at 35mph going east and another train is traveling 53mph....
Posted by Mediocre Boy on :
Darn. You beat me to the punch, Blockade Boy. Good for you! Personally, I was gonna ask: if a hummingbird...ah, y'know: the question from Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail movie. Posted by Jorg-EM on :
Yeah this is all fun but if the title is called Adventure Comics again...i won't be happy. I like LOSH. I started digging the logo even!
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
Well, after sleeping on it and deciding that since the book is supposed to be ongoing since ADVENTURE COMICS #247, I'm adding the LOST/WORLDS series to the mix. Also, since both Tales and Legionnaires added much to the mythos, we'll include them as our bi-weekly years. Therefore, the answer to HWW's question (for me) is:
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #622 (OCT 2005)
I'm really impressed!! This is one of those things that I would have liked to have known, but never wanted to even try adding it up, so thank you GARY for doing it!
Posted by googoomuck on :
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Hi Guys the excellent Mr.Wacker and I were hoping you could help us answer something....
If LSH had continued in Adventure Comics with no breaks from the end of the 'Tales of the Legion' numbering - what issue # would we be at now (October cover date)?
All help gratefully received!
A question for Barry and Mr Wacker,
Is there some sort of renumbering conspiracy in the works?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... don't forget that v2 was originally Superboy's book...
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
My speculation theory about this is that at some point the Legionnaires are going to mention a Legion comic in a story and they wanted to refer to something in LSH #9 without saying LSH #9.
Posted by Jorg-EM on :
quote:Originally posted by googoomuck:
quote:Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Hi Guys the excellent Mr.Wacker and I were hoping you could help us answer something....
If LSH had continued in Adventure Comics with no breaks from the end of the 'Tales of the Legion' numbering - what issue # would we be at now (October cover date)?
All help gratefully received!
A question for Barry and Mr Wacker,
Is there some sort of renumbering conspiracy in the works?
More likely they will refer to it in the comic since the Legionnaires are such comic fanatics!
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
I've been off board for a few days, so I didn't see the answer to my challenge until now.
622, it is!
Excellent work, Gary, in figuring out the answer as well as all possible permutations. I bow before your scholarship!
I'm all for including the four-issue reprint series for two reasons. One, that's the series with which I discovered the Legion, and two, X-MEN also reverted to reprints back then while keeping its original numbering intact.
Posted by numberonelegionfan on :
Does this numbering calculations include: Legionnaires 3? Legion: The Science Police? Secrets Of The LSH? Legion of Substitute Heroes Special? (I just threw that in for fun) any of the LSH Secret Files? the supporting stories from the Superboy series before it became Superboy Featuring the LSH/Superboy & the LSH?
Posted by Barry Kitson on :
Well all we were looking for was the numbering had it continued from the last original Tales Of The Legion issue back in 1985...but all this other stuff is fun isn't it! Posted by numberonelegionfan on :
354--Tales Of The LSH (formerly LSH s2/formerly SLSH/formerly Superboy) 63--Baxter Series 81+"0"+"1000000"--SW6/Reboot Legionnaires 125+"0"+"1000000"--5YG/Reboot LSH 38--DnA Legion 12--Legion Lost 6--Legion Worlds
I could be off but I reckon the count would be around #683.
Now if you added the 10 issues and the one coming out this coming Wednesday, then the count would be #694.
And just for kicks, adding the suggested titles from above in my previous post not included... Secrets Of The LSH--4 Legionnaires 3--4 Legion: The Science Police--4
brings my issue count to #706.
Posted by numberonelegionfan on :
oh...just remembered the reprint mini-series that everyone considers to be LSH series 1...another 4 =>#710
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
quote:Originally posted by numberonelegionfan: 354--Tales Of The LSH (formerly LSH s2/formerly SLSH/formerly Superboy)
Since the Legion didn't become co-stars of SUPERBOY until # 197, that 354 number is misleading. 354-197=157 for the actual count of Legion issues in that series. And if we add the ten backup stories from # 172 to 195, that brings the total to 167.
[ October 22, 2005, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: He Who Wanders ]
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
By the way, I conducted an experiment of my own. While Gary's tally adds up every Legion series that has been produced, I decided to see what would happen if LSH had been published continuously in one monthly series since April 1958. According to my calculations, we'd be at issue # 571 for October 2005 (12 issues per year times 47 years plus seven months).
What I find interesting is where some Legion milestones would have fallen in that mega-series, if they had still been published at around the same time. For example, the second Legion story (ADV. # 267) would not appear until LSH # 20 (Dec. 1959). I leave it to others to speculate what the intervening 18 issues might have been like.
Some other highlights from the first two decades by issue number:
29 - Supergirl's first tryout (Aug. 1960)
38 - Supergirl joins, as does Brainiac 5 (May 61)
39 - Mon-El first appears (June 61)
52 - Ultra Boy first appears (July 62)
58 - Lightning Lad dies (Jan. 63)
66 - Lightning Lad revived (Sep. 63)
71 - Dream Girl first appears (Feb. 64)
94 - Triplicate Girl killed by Computo (Jan. 66)
99 - Karate Kid, Princess Projectra and Ferro Lad join (July 66) [This ties in neatly with the 100th issue, which would have contained the second part of that story.]
107 - Ferro Lad dies (Feb. 67)
123 - Mordru first appears (June 68)
Also noteworthy: Issue numbers in the '70s correspond very closely to the issue numbers of the Legion's run in SUPERBOY -- and they get closer as time goes on:
191 - Wedding of Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel (Feb. 74 - SUP 200)
197 - Invisible Kid dies (Aug. 74 - SUP 203)
229 - Dawnstar first appears (Apr. 77 - SUP 226)
231 - Chemical King dies (June 77 - SUP 228)
[ October 22, 2005, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: He Who Wanders ]
Posted by SiliconDream on :
Here's something I'm kinda curious about...what if all the LSH stories were published in a continuous run except whenever there was a timeline change, at which point a new series was begun from #1? So, restarting from the Crisis, from the Mordruverse, from the Glorithverse, from Zero Hour, and from the WaK kickoff? (I'm ignoring the minor timeline reboot in the Universe Ablaze crossover.) How many issues would each timeline's Legion have run?
Posted by superboymddjr on :
quote:Originally posted by Jorg-EM: My head hurts now.
yeah me too I just recently took two Advils. yooowww! ouch!! *sob*
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I forgot about this thread. Thanks for the bump!
That would have been a wonderful series, HWW.
Posted by STU on :
"Math is hard!"
Posted by lil'rhino on :
I bet this all has something to do with #15!!!
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
I bet this all has something to do with #626!
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Or 575!
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Seems to me they went with a different count to get the #568 for issue #15.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: And actually the last original story, #325 had a cover date of July 1985, but you're right that the number would still come out to be #568.
Well, it's a little puzzling, because #568 was apparently the October issue.
Posted by minesurfer on :
Maybe they took off the "4" that Gary originally added in on the first page of this thread... hmmmm. I can never keep the series straight, I just keep buying the next one that comes out.
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