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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 
Is it just me, or are the covers for Hawkman captivating?

Should Legion ever be in need of a new cover artist, I'd love to see what this John Watson fellow could do.

(And, perhaps we could have more members walk around without shirts while we're at it.)

[EDIT: Title change.]

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
Off hand I can't think of any painted Legion covers. Any?

The Hawkman covers are "ART." Best compliment I think I could give them. It's not just that "realism," it's the posing that brings on the emotion.

Of course inside isn't too bad either.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Believe it or not I've not seen any of these covers as my shop doesn't get Hawkman. And I just can't get into yet another title. Anyone got scans or links to these pieces of art?
 

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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 

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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
Believe it or not I've not seen any of these covers as my shop doesn't get Hawkman. And I just can't get into yet another title. Anyone got scans or links to these pieces of art?

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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
Off hand I can't think of any painted Legion covers. Any?

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LSH v3, #38. The Death of Superboy issue sported a painting by Bill Seinkewicz, I believe; It was an inventory piece, of all things. A beautiful silhouette of the Legionnaires and Superboy in front of the Legion flag a full mast,with the elegantly simple typeset "The Greatest Hero of Them All".
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
Off hand I can't think of any painted Legion covers. Any?

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LSH v3, #38. The Death of Superboy issue sported a painting by Bill Seinkewicz, I believe; It was an inventory piece, of all things. A beautiful silhouette of the Legionnaires and Superboy in front of the Legion flag a full mast,with the elegantly simple typeset "The Greatest Hero of Them All".

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I seem to remember Grey trying to win that cover art when it went up for bid on eBay last year. I can't remember how much it went for but it was in the mid 4 figures I think.
 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
Scott! I was just emailing you a scan of this-- let me know if you could possibly host it, so's we can share???
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Poverty Lad:
Scott! I was just emailing you a scan of this-- let me know if you could possibly host it, so's we can share???

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Ready to go POV. I e-mailed you the link.
 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
Excellent, Scott-- Thanks!!

The cover in question:



[ August 25, 2003, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Poverty Lad ]
 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
One of my ALL-time favorite covers.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Let's not forget the painted KEN STEACY covers that ran about the time of the CONSPIRACY storyline.

I particularly liked the one for (iirc) # 46, that featured many Legionnaires gossiping and pointing fingers at one another.

re: the Hawkman covers; Yes they are fantastic.

[ August 25, 2003, 09:49 PM: Message edited by: MLLASH ]
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
Let's not forget the painted KEN STEACY covers that ran about the time of the CONSPIRACY storyline.

I particularly liked the one for (iirc) # 46, that featured many Legionnaires gossiping and pointing fingers at one another.

re: the Hawkman covers; Yes they are fantastic.

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You mean this one Lash?


 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
I'm surprised you didn't put THIS one up, Scott:



[ August 25, 2003, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: Poverty Lad ]
 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
Whoa... Why the hell'd it load up like that???


**heh... FIXED it...

Guess I need to go to bed now...

[ August 25, 2003, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Poverty Lad ]
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
I was going to. Ah hell, here it is without the Lone Star writing.



I had totally forgotten I got my site reloaded this weekend or I could have just posted the image to #38 for you all too. I've got all the Vol. 3 covers, including annuals, at my site.
 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
Thanks, Scott. The covers to 45 and 50 were my favorites from Steacy's cover run-- and incidentally, were the only actual fully-painted illos. The others were a mix of media, usually along the lines of pastels or colored pencils, it looks like.

Here's the cover for #50, the showdown with the Trapper:



[ August 26, 2003, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: Poverty Lad ]
 

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
Somehow I had it in my head that Steacy had done #38. Poignant! Even more so when paired with the optimism of the more traditional #37, from a certain fan fave.
 

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Posted by Stu on :
 
I don't know if it's the chest hair or what, but Hawkman's been looking pretty, y'know, sexy on the last two covers. (Y'know?)
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Hmmm









Pretty decent covers. And painted too.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 

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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
Believe it or not I've not seen any of these covers as my shop doesn't get Hawkman. And I just can't get into yet another title. Anyone got scans or links to these pieces of art?

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Your shop does NOT carry Hawkman?!?!? I can't believe that! Tell that manager to order Hawkman or ELSE! Hawkman is a pretty decent book to read! Love that book now! Is your shop Anti-Geoff Johns or just anti-Hawkman?
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Good question. I never seem to be able to get a copy of JSA either. Isn't Johns still writing that?

Actually, they aren't too big on DC. They focus more on Marvel and the independent titles. I'll have to investigate further.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
*gasp* *drop jaw* no JSA!?!? oh boy.....what about the Flash? and Teen Titans? Do they sell them as well? All titles are written by Geoff Johns.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
I was able to get the first issue of The Flash that started the last storyline, where they reintroduced the Reverse Flash but that was it. And I only got Teen Titans as the third printing and haven't seen a copy beyond issue number one.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
my god...I can't believe that. Anyhooo.....about the Hawkman covers....I can't help pondering that the bottom one (Hawkman and Gargoyle in raining) should be definitely made into a Poster! beautiful poster...best one ever...hate to admit that it is better than Alex Ross. Sorry, no offense.
 

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Posted by Danny Blaine on :
 
I absolutely adore those Hawkman posters! What beautiful art!

And Scott, I share your pain about the comic store. That's why I went to mail order...

Now, I nver miss anything! (I just have to wait forver to get them!)
 

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Posted by Greybird on :
 
[Lightning Lad, about Sienkiewicz's "LSH" v3 n38 art]
{ I seem to remember Grey trying to win that cover art when it went up for bid on eBay last year. I can't remember how much it went for but it was in the mid 4 figures I think. }

Yep, the framed painting ended up going for well over $1000. Got far too rich for me to pursue it, despite its being even more dramatic without the Legion logo and title. And its being the best Dawnstar cover, best Superboy cover, and best damn Legion cover ever, period.
 

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Posted by Greybird on :
 
I entirely second the praise of the painted "Hawkman" covers above. Here, to give some time to the gorgeous women, are issues 15 and 16. (I can't find 16 to actually buy anywhere. A bit frustrating to be teased with all this art at the DC site, but nice to have it.)




 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
That cover to # 16 for some reason makes me think of the 1980's Flash Gordon movie.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3003 on :
 

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my god...I can't believe that. Anyhooo.....about the Hawkman covers...hate to admit that it is better than Alex Ross. Sorry, no offense.

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Originally posted by DrakeB3003:
Oh, and even though I liked Steacy's covers, I was always much more into Lightle's. I also really liked Giffen's covers in v.4.

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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
As a favorite single cover though my choise would probably be elsewhere. Maybe Giffen's cover for issue five would be up there for me. That was the hour glass one I think? Love that one.

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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
For an action shot, I've always been fond of the Bounty-Sade cover but I do not remember, was that done by Jason Peirson?

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[ September 06, 2003, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
 

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Posted by DrakeB3003 on :
 
Y'know, looking at that cover, it's no wonder nobody knew Bounty was Dawnstar -- she had that little skull thing on her cheek! (well, if glasses worked for Kal-El...)
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Loved that both covers!!!! Bounty-Sade cover was by Jason Pearson.

I liked two covers from Moy - one is more like mesmerizing cover - Kinetix reaching out to Emerald Eye all the green around ....and second one - Live Wire losing his arm, the lighting bolts circling around him.

LSH #80 - by Mark Farmer and Alan Davis has to be my favorite....Victory! with all Legion members flying with happy faces.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
my god...I can't believe that. Anyhooo.....about the Hawkman covers...hate to admit that it is better than Alex Ross. Sorry, no offense.

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What's to be sorry for? I think these covers are amazing and definitely better than some of Ross' work. Ross has a tendency to stick too closely to the real world, imo. Sometimes it looks too much like some guy posing in his studio in a home-made superhero costume.

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Agreed, as much as I like Ross' artwork...I do not want to offend any Ross fans. Look like Alex has some competition.

The artist who does Hawkman cover - is it by Joseph Wagner? or Joe Watson? I can't remember right....Correction is welcome.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Loved that both covers!!!! Bounty-Sade cover was by Jason Pearson.

I liked two covers from Moy - one is more like mesmerizing cover - Kinetix reaching out to Emerald Eye all the green around ....and second one - Live Wire losing his arm, the lighting bolts circling around him.

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LSH #80 - by Mark Farmer and Alan Davis has to be my favorite....Victory! with all Legion members flying with happy faces.

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Agreed, as much as I like Ross' artwork...I do not want to offend any Ross fans. Look like Alex has some competition.

The artist who does Hawkman cover - is it by Joseph Wagner? or Joe Watson? I can't remember right....Correction is welcome.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Lightning Lad - thanks for all of them!! However one of the covers is wrong. The cover with ONLY Kinetex reaching out to Emerald Eye which was on the stand (I believe)...she had her face looking so power-hungry - smiling but power hungry. Know which cover I am talking about?

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I didn't think that was the right one. Here it is:



And thanks for the issue number POV. Here's one for you:



I actually used a version of that M'Onel in a Legion RPG and redid the outfit. If I can find the image I'll post it.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Found it. This game was called the Age of Universo in which Universo had gotten control of the Miracle Machine and remade the universe. My character (one of them) from the game before the change was Dev-Em. In this reality he was the son of Universo and was using Mon-El as his code name.



And this is our Vidar Family Portrait. Wayne (Starboy, he of South Park Legion) was playing Mon's adoptive brother. That is one of my photo manips showing his artistic rendering of Superboy with his pet Gates, our dad Universo and Mon.



[ September 07, 2003, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
yes yes that the one I am talking about (funny thing I could not remember that cover...interesting how it changes in your mind five or ten years later...) a BIG Thanks!!!!

Your Mon-el looks so monstrous but cool!!!
 

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Posted by DrakeB3003 on :
 
It's kinda funny that his belt buckle just says "ME" -- why, the arrogance!
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
yes yes that the one I am talking about (funny thing I could not remember that cover...interesting how it changes in your mind five or ten years later...) a BIG Thanks!!!!

Your Mon-el looks so monstrous but cool!!!

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Originally posted by DrakeB3003:
It's kinda funny that his belt buckle just says "ME" -- why, the arrogance!

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
say, LL, is there a way you can move this thread to another place since we are going way off the point that we were supposed to talk about Hawkman covers? or can you change the subject? I wonder?
 

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Posted by DrakeB3003 on :
 
Even though it's gone off from the original topic, I'm inclined to leave this thread where it is (Matt is free to move it if he sees fit, but I'm ok to leave it here). The topic still applies to the first half of the thread and there's nothing stopping anyone from steering things back to the original topic.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 

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Originally posted by DrakeB3003:
Even though it's gone off from the original topic, I'm inclined to leave this thread where it is (Matt is free to move it if he sees fit, but I'm ok to leave it here). The topic still applies to the first half of the thread and there's nothing stopping anyone from steering things back to the original topic.

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You the MOD!
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
I agree with Drake. Let's just leave it here and guide it back on topic. Here goes:



Discuss.
 

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
OoooWWwww!

Looks like he's been bountied! Is this the most recent? I don't recgonize it.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
future issue...I think in October. real soon!

Looks like Hawkman is going through Dawnstar stage (wings being ripped off)...?
 

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Posted by Poverty Lad on :
 
But... his wings aren't actually attached... are they?!

Sidebar: Three truisms remain for the worst thing that can be done to a character--

1) Female characters are raped.

2) Male characters have someone CLOSE to them raped or killed;

and 3) Winged characters have their wings torn off. How original... That goes all the way back to pulling the wings off insects circa pre-school...
 

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Posted by profh0011 on :
 
I can understand people raving about the painted covers by Alex Ross, Adam Hughes, and the guys who've done covers for HAWKMAN, STARMAN and THE SPECTRE.

But in the 1980s, the guy who was blowing me away with this sort of thing on a regular basis was STEVE RUDE on NEXUS! In that case, it was the regular iterior artist doing his own fully-painted covers! (Somehow with comics that more "honest" to me. Back in the 70's, it used to bug the hell out of me when I'd see some gorgeous DAVE COCKRUM cover on a Marvel Comic, and the interior was by some mismatched team of amateurs who hadn't learned how to draw or ink yet...)
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Its actually the cover for November.

And I, too, was curious as to all the blood and apparent ripping off of the wings. Does this Hawkman not have his wings attached to a harness? I've not read the title and don't know how he corresponds to the previous versions of the character.
 

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Posted by Stu on :
 
Damn, that's rather gory to be the cover (though it's a nice painting nevertheless). I think his wings ARE just attached via the harness -- it doesn't look like they're a part of his body. (I was rather amused at how quickly he put on his costume in the latest issue -- I would have expected that it would take AT LEAST a coupla minutes to change...)

His chest seems to be bleeding as much as his back...

[ September 08, 2003, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Stu ]
 

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Posted by icefire on :
 
Nice cover but I agree with Stu a little gory!
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
Yeah, I think we're definitely in a it more mature area of the DCU with HAWKMAN.

Or, as Johns jokingly put it at the Dragon*Con DC panel, "Hawkman makes people bleed a lot. You should buy it."
 

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Posted by DrakeB3003 on :
 
Wow -- that's a really powerful cover.

Regarding wings being ripped off, it also happened to Angel at one point (before he became Death or Arcangel with the metal wings -- he's since grown them back though).
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
well, if I remember right, that story is part two which Hawkman will face his new #1 enemy - as coined "Hawkman's greatest foe" - named Headhunter. I am curious about him, so I will keep buying that book! I collected almost all Hawkman issues. except 1960s.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
You are correct, Supes.

I don't have all that much Hawkman in my collection, but if an Archive shows up on eBay for a decent price, I'll snag it.

As for wings getting ripped off, I recall an issue of Hellblazer where John Constantine arranges for an uppity angel to get worked over in that fashion.
 

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Posted by Bevis on :
 
Hawkman's wings are still just part of his marness. In fact in an early issue of the current run I'm pretty sure he even mentioned the fact that he doesn't actually need them to fly, they're just for steering (*how* he controls them is anyone's guess). It's the Nth Metal in his belt (and possibly the harness I think, but not the wings themselves) which enable him to defy gravity, which also means he can lift things much heavier than normal people. He's not inherently stronger, just the Nth Metal helps to defy the laws of physics. He's also said something about it stopping him getting cold as well (which is just as well since he's pootling all over the place topless. Not that I'm complaining mind.)

Watson's covers are fabulous. And very much in the same feel as Rags' interior art, which is comething that is often lacking when you compare interior and cover art.

Spookily enough one of the managers here at my work is called John Watson. I don't think they're the same person though.
 

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Posted by STU on :
 
Some interesting info on the guy who models as Hawkman on those painted covers... (hope the link doesn't screw up the margins too much)

[Edited: The overlong link was deleted. Thanks, Grey, for posting the "shortcut"! ]

[ September 25, 2003, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: STU ]
 

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Posted by Greybird on :
 
Here's a shorter version, Stu:

http://tinyurl.com/on06

Everyone would do well to bookmark TinyURL.com ... it's a completely free service (they take donations) that only takes seconds to use. It's become essential for, as you say, keeping long addresses clickable and within the screen margins.
 

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Posted by STU on :
 
You know... the guy who modeled for the Hawkman covers kind of looks like Looks That Kill Lad, in that gruff, sexy shaved-head way...
 

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Posted by Looks That Kill Lad on :
 
I can't believe I missed this until now!

Stu, you charmer
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Well, the covers for HAWKMAN continue to be excellent and interesting, even if they're no longer painted, and they even feature Katar with... **gasp!** ... ARMPIT HAIR! Good Lord!

But I want to focus on the actual comic itself, which I have REALLY been loving lately with the new writers and excellent new artist!

And the FINAL PAGE of the latest issue, # 37...

Another Marv Wolfman Travesty has been erased with the appearance of....

SPOILER SPACE

FOR THOSE

WHO HAVEN'T READ IT

YET


....Golden Eagle!! HOORAY!!!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Hokey Smokes! I haven't been reading Hawkman since a little after Rags and Geoff left, but I've been stockpiling the more recent stuff after getting them from a friend who trades with pros for their comps. Guess I need to catch up... and check THIS development out! And I guess they're finally tying GE into the Hawkman mythos here?

KEEN!
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
The book is just as fun a read, but slightly different than Geoffs' stuff, natch. I really don't know why it isn't selling better, after all, there are plenty of shots of Kendra's heinie, lol.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Hawkman is probably the one comic I'm not buying right now that I really wish I had the money to add to my list!

I bought the first few issues of Geoff's run and wasn't very impressed but whenever I flick through Palmiotti's stuff I like what I see.

I love that all these cool old Hawkman villains are being dusted off and made viable again (especially Fadeaway Man and Lionmane - old faves of mine) and I'm supremely impressed with the artist - Joe Bennett I think is his name. His stuff is fantastic! As for Golden Eagle - that's just the icing on the cake!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
It's not yet clear if it is Charley Parker, somehow Zero Hour-ed from his fate in TITANS HUNT. But I kind-of hope it is.

Even if it's someone new in the Golden Eagle armour, it IS about time someone donned it again.

I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a drug-hallucination, as Fadeaway Man had just drugged Carter.

Let's see... Duela Dent: check. Dove: check. Golden Eagle: check. Aquagirl: check. Marv Wolfman's attempted destruction of the old TEEN TITANS ranks is slowly being turned around by either ignoring that old continuity (Duela) or bringing in brand new characters (Dove, Aquagirl).

Now, if someone can fix Gnnark, please? And get Lilith and Donna back to the land of the living (not a Wolfman thing with Lilith and Donna, but still needs to be corrected)? Geoff?
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Well, seeing as he was half-RESPONSIBLE for the last two, he better...!

I looked at 37 today- that final page splash is SUHWEEET. I'll take some extra cash with me and catch up on the issues I haven't got stockpiled already.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Povvins, you definitely want the issues since the new writers took over, and the last couple issues with the great new artist!

The only Geoff issues that I *really* enjoyed were the 3 issues that featured the Thanagarian Hawkwoman. I'd skip over all other Geoff issues.

I checked the end of HAWKMAN 37 again-- NO WAY is Golden Eagle an hallucination, as he's kicking Fadeaway Man square in the face! YEAH, BABY-- HE'S BACK!!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
It's Kendra on Profem!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hawkman is one of DC's best ongoing series. It's been consistently excellent since the new team took over--even better than Johns and Rags I'd say (and I liked their run too!).

I've really grown to like Carter and Kendra as characters, and I'm glad to see a larger supporting cast come about (and Rogues Gallery).

Rick, I agree about the sex-appeal of this book for all comers, since both leads are hot and in skimpy outfits. But I like how it's kind of down-played a lot.

This book is highly reccomended!
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I'm enjoying the book as well. I think the new team have made a few goofs (killing off yet another love interest for Carter comes to mind), but it has been good overall.

We're in a rapidly shrinking minority, though, since the books sales have dropped close to 50% over the past year, one of the biggest overall drops for a current DC comic.

At that rate, it won't last another year.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Killing his latest love interest was a major goof--done to him before, and done to death in general lately. The series is good enough besides that not to bother me, but it might turn others off.

I'm kinda hoping that the upcoming Rann/Thanager storyline draws some more readers in, but we'll see.

I'm really going to miss the Atom shownig up every so often too, which I was really enjoying. I like the Atom and Hawkman team-up more than any other in the DCU besides GL and Flash (my two favorites).
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I agree that killing off Domina was a poor move. That really disappointed me. Especially since it would have been interesting to see how she & Carter dealt with her apparently HIV-positive status.

I'm basing that on the not-stated-but-strongly-implied notion that the serial-killer-monster that killed her could sense the disease in people. Did anybody else get that from the story, too, or am I off base?

I really liked Domina, but it DID leave the door open for the developments between Kendra and Carter in # 37....
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hm, I got the sense that she had a major sickness, but it hadn't occured to me that it might HIV. I liked her a lot too--it surprised me to find that the basic 'other woman' character was fleshed out so quickly.

I do think though that more developments between Carter and Kendra need to be a constant in this book to keep it moving along. Every little step forward is good (though I'm by no means saying that they should just get back together yet, since that would pretty much wrap up the comic book and end it).
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I read # 38.

HELL YEAH!! NOW that's what I'm TALKIN' 'BOUT, ya'll!

Kicked total space-ass!

SPOILERS follow, for real real, not for play play!

CHARLEY PARKER is indeed alive, if you can take him at his word. The skinny li'l long-haired lad loser I had a crush on as a wee kid has blossomed into QUITE the HUNK. Poppin' Parakeets!! Not only that, but his life is SO together now. *sigh!!* It did this ol' 70s JLA/Teen Titans fan's heart good to see this.

And that LAST PAGE. Damn, these cliffhangers are going to be the end of me, I swear! Blistering Blackbirds, I hope everyone's okay!

The art is top notch, too.

READ THIS BOOK!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
# 39 was one KILLER ISSUE heh heh! (get it? If not, READ IT and you WILL, oh will you EVER get it). Was that last page a red herring? I hope so, but sort-of think it ISN'T.


Todd (Mystery Lad) thinks awful revelations about GOLDEN EAGLE are around the corner, but I refuse to believe it! He's perfect! PERFECT I TELLS YA!!!!
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
i'm really enjoying this current storyline !! [ in fact, i've enjoyed this title since it started !! ]

the art is amazing and the FADEAWAY MAN is a cool looking villian [ along with the others ] looking forward to where the last issue will lead into ...... and i think GOLDEN EAGLE, is up to something ???

Matthew.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
NOOOOoooOOOOO! Charley's a living DREAM! The lovable loser turned hyper-hot hero! A new member of the Hawk family!
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 

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NOOOOoooOOOOO! Charley's a living DREAM! The lovable loser turned hyper-hot hero! A new member of the Hawk family!

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NOOOOoooOOOOO! Charley's a living DREAM! The lovable loser turned hyper-hot hero! A new member of the Hawk family!

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hey LASH, you know you can't trust someone who looks that hot !!

Matthew.

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so that means everything you and Lash post is inherently false and full of bs?
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
NOOOOoooOOOOO! Charley's a living DREAM! The lovable loser turned hyper-hot hero! A new member of the Hawk family!

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hey LASH, you know you can't trust someone who looks that hot !!

Matthew.

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so that means everything you and Lash post is inherently false and full of bs?

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Dunno 'bout Matthew, but I'm sure full of it!


SPOILERS FOR # 40!!!!!!!!


HAWKMAN drops lower and lower in my "to read" stack- that's a GOOD thing, I read the best ones last.

You poor, poor people who aren't reading HAWKMAN. How I pity you!

Fadeaway Man, Lionmane, Hummingbird, Lasso and Satana have pretty much upgraded to top-level villain status here, I think.

Who is in the coffin? The SUSPENSE!!

I had forgotten that DR. FATE is Hawkman's son. Loved his appearance here, as well as the JSA coming down on Carter for actions revealed in IDENTITY CRISIS.

And more GOLDEN EAGLE!! And he's still a good guy! YAY!

Can Joe Bennett's art GET any better? I don't think so, it's already top-level... and I still get to read BOP next, whixh he also draws! It's like back in the 70s when Perez would draw mutiple titles at once *dreamy sigh!* Bennett draws the hottest hotties (male & female) since Benes!

Don't be stupid, buy HAWKMAN 'cause it's MAD STOOOPID!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Joe Bennett is an extraordinary artist and came out of nowhere, it seems. His Hawkman kicks ass! And Kendra and Carter and all their villains actually look hot!

Fadeaway Man and the rest are great...I actually think Lasso is pretty kick-ass and Hummingbird is a hottie!

Hawkman's connections to various aspects of the DCU should definately be played up more. I agree Lash, those people not buying this comic book are living in ignorance to the greatness that is Hawkman!
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
I like HAWKMAN!

Is Hummingbird a 'historic' Hawkman villain? I've never heard of her, if so. She's pretty creepy...

I've never heard of Lasso, either.

I still think there's more to GOLDEN EAGLE than what is apparent. Tied into INFINITE CRISIS, perhaps?

I wonder just when this is occuring in relation to the HAWKS involvement in this month's JSA?
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
We'll have to check with Cobie about Lasso & Hummingbird's status as historic villains, as this is the longest Ive ever followed a HAWK-book (all 40 issues... sure am glad I made it through those issues Geoff Johns was apparently phoning in, 'cause this book has been H-O-T for a while now).
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
I think that Hummingbird and Lasso are newest villains....Cobie, hurry up on your research!
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
guess I may be wrong this time...according to google.com and I found that there was a Hummingbird during the golden age time....she first appeared in Flash Comics #52!
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
hey looks like I am wrong for the second time! here is the list of Hawkman's foes and their first appearances...and Lasso is on the list:

Hawkman
the Acrobat (Flash #89; Hawkman foe) - hooded leader of gang of acrobats.
Alexander the Great (Flash #2; Hawkman foe) - egghead in tuxedo; has a
gravity-ray gun.
Armond Argot (Flash #26; Hawkman foe).
the Beanstalk (Flash #61; Hawkman foe) - powers?
Benjamin Brock (Flash #29; Hawkman foe) - criminal botanist that animates
plant-men.
Chance (Flash #37; Hawkman foe) - bald; evil genius; owns crooked gambling
den; always calculates odds.
Coin (Flash #32; Hawkman foe) - clever thief; uses coins to distract & for
gimmicks - heated coins, electrified, etc.
Dr. Barnes (Flash #94; Hawkman foe) - uses an molecular rearranger to
project people into fabrics and then re-animate them.
Dynamo (Flash #49; Hawkman foe) - glows in the dark; electricity powers.
Father Time (Flash #33; Hawkman foe) - old man with poisoned scythe.
the Foil (Flash #87; Hawkman foe) - wields a foil; swordsman, presumably;
any powers?
Gentleman Ghost (Flash #88; Hawkman foe).
Golden Mummy sect (Steranko; Hawkman foe) - powers?
Anton Hastor (Flash Comics #1; Hawkman foe) - scientist, astral projection
the Hood (Flash #19; Hawkman foe) - Pratt Palmer wears monk costume; uses
superscience - the "cold light" killing radiation gun.
Horsemen of the Sky (Flash #93; Hawkman foes) - bandits on flying horses.
Hot Shot (Big All-American #1; Hawkman foe) - feeds on and manipulates
massive amounts of heat.
Human Fly Bandits (Flash #100; Hawkman foe) - led by John Rotor, lab
assistant, who stole "gyrocar" and "gyrobelt" which allow him to
drive/run up walls, etc.
the Hummingbird (Flash #52; Hawkman foe) - blonde female ornithologist;
wing-suit; flight; magnesium flare-gun.
Karvak (Flash #14; Hawkman foe) - owns futuristic suit; has conjured up
Scorio, the Alligator God of Phoenicians to give him high-tech
weaponry - a disintegration-flame gun; has small army in Central
America.
Kogats (Flash #9; Hawkman foe) - evil ape-like telepathic undersea brutes
that live underneath New York City harbor.
Johnny Law (Flash #31; Hawkman foe) - crook with animated creations.
Lasso (Flash #85; Hawkman foe) - ruthless strangler.
Leader of the Assassin Cult at Alamut (Flash #6; Hawkman foe) - Assassins
analogue.
Mangar (Flash #28; Hawkman foe) - crooked scientist.
March, Danford (Flash #49; Hawkman foe) - electrified human dynamo.
Mazda the Great (All-Star Comics #3; Hawkman foe) - builds steam generator
within volcanic Mount Krakatao to harness its power for world domination;
commands "fire-ghosts" (actually men in asbestos suits).
the Monocle (Flash #64).
Nikaloff, Boris (Flash #7; Hawkman foe) - makes "plasma-flesh" sculptures
come to life.
Nyola (All-Star Comics #2; Hawkman foe) - Aztec priestess; magic spells.
Phantom Menace (Flash #91; Hawkman foe) - commits crimes with Dexium, a
compound that makes things invisible and intangible.
Pied Piper (Flash #59; Hawkman foe) - musical powers?
Plant Men (Flash #29; Hawkman foe) - plant-men, rooted, with
superstrength; orchid types with poison gas; live undersea; multiple
types.
Prof. Kitzoff (Flash #8; Hawkman foe) - has raygun that causes sunspots
that can control mankind's thoughts, manipulate emotions, etc.
Purple Pilgrim (Flash #86; Hawkman foe) - descendent of 17th century
criminal continuing family vendetta against all Sanderses,
including Shiera.
Radium (Flash #54; Hawkman foe) - steals radium; makes radium bullets.
Raven (Flash Wheaties Giveaway 1946; Hawkman foe) - flight; "Scavenger of
the Skies".
Satana (Flash #13; Hawkman foe) - Sara Descarl owns man-eating menagerie
of animals into which she has transplanted men's brains.
Simple Simon (Flash #53; Hawkman foe) - uses "simple" gimmicks to commit
crimes - a glass, a dime, etc.
Soro (Flash #96; Hawkman foe) - warlord of a race of power-hungry centaurs
who have been secluded in a dormant volcano for millennia; they kidnap
a group of the United States' greatest scientists with the intent of
using them "to invent weapons to terrorize the world.".
The Spoiler (Golden Age #1; Hawkman foe) - fifth columnist; death ray.
Thayer, Edward (Flash #15; Hawkman foe) - commands a disembodied hand.
Thought Terror (Flash #4; Hawkman foe) - hypnosis.
Trygg (All-Star Comics #1; Hawkman foe) - sorceror who learned the Haitian
secret of zombies.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
WHOA! Thanks for the list!

Knowing that Hummingbird & Lasso ARE historic Hawk-foes makes them even MORE cool for me!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Awesome stuff Supes! I was going to say that they were both new villains too, as they definately have not been around since the Silver Age on. I think it's pretty kewl that their both Golden Age villains brought back to fight Hawkman and Hawkgirl.

Their also both pretty bad-ass! I know Lionmane is probably Hawkman's most classic Silver Age foe, but when did Fadeaway Man first appear?
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Cobie, according to The Unofficial Guide to the DC Universe, Fadeaway Man made his debut in Detective Comics #479/2 (September-October 1978): "True Heroes Never Die...!"

Thanks for the list, superboymddjr-- I thought the following were worth some consideration.


Alexander the Great (Flash #2; Hawkman foe) - egghead in tuxedo; has a gravity-ray gun.

I wonder if he committed historic Alex the Great crimes? I'd be interested in an update, if so.

the Beanstalk (Flash #61; Hawkman foe) - powers?

C'mon-- The BEANSTALK!! Who could resist updating a villain called The Beanstalk?

Benjamin Brock (Flash #29; Hawkman foe) - criminal botanist that animates plant-men.

Hmmm... a tie in to Black Orchid or Poison Ivy? Or the LSH's various evil plant/tree men?

Dr. Barnes (Flash #94; Hawkman foe) - uses an molecular rearranger to project people into fabrics and then re-animate them.

What a cool gimmick. The name's comletely generic. The Tapestry? The Fabricator? There's certainly villains with lamer m.o.s running around in tights.

Father Time (Flash #33; Hawkman foe) - old man with poisoned scythe.

Sounds familiar... I wonder if he's been updated somewhere or other already?

the Foil (Flash #87; Hawkman foe) - wields a foil; swordsman, presumably; any powers?

Good name for a villain-- though the aluminum foil hats worn to ward off aliens is an unfortunate connotation that came to my mind.

Golden Mummy sect (Steranko; Hawkman foe) - powers?

A hero based on the idea of reincarnation dating back to Egypt has *gotta* have a mummy for a villain.

Horsemen of the Sky (Flash #93; Hawkman foes) - bandits on flying horses.

Interesting visual- at the least. Maybe a Western motif?

the Hummingbird (Flash #52; Hawkman foe) - blonde female ornithologist; wing-suit; flight; magnesium flare-gun.

The Hummingbird in the book now seems much closer to the edge of sanity than this little summary would suggest. I'm a little surprised her wings are artificial-- if they still are.

Karvak (Flash #14; Hawkman foe) - owns futuristic suit; has conjured up Scorio, the Alligator God of Phoenicians to give him high-tech
weaponry - a disintegration-flame gun; has small army in Central America.

The Phoenician connection would work for the historian Hawks. Why would an Alligator God have high-tech weapons, though?

Kogats (Flash #9; Hawkman foe) - evil ape-like telepathic undersea brutes that live underneath New York City harbor.

Must-be-updated-immediately!!! With a Flash/Aquaman/Gorilla City crossover!!!

Johnny Law (Flash #31; Hawkman foe) - crook with animated creations.

An evil Walt Disney? Could be fun--

Mazda the Great (All-Star Comics #3; Hawkman foe) - builds steam generator within volcanic Mount Krakatao to harness its power for world domination; commands "fire-ghosts" (actually men in asbestos suits).

Strike out the 'actually men in asbestos suits', and you could have a contender. He could get in a 'name war' with pseudoAlex.

Nikaloff, Boris (Flash #7; Hawkman foe)- makes "plasma-flesh" sculptures come to life.

I'm curious as to just what a 'plasma-flesh sculpture' might be.

Nyola (All-Star Comics #2; Hawkman foe) - Aztec priestess; magic spells.

The name and Aztec connection seem familiar. I'm pretty sure she's appeared outside of the GA.

Phantom Menace (Flash #91; Hawkman foe) - commits crimes with Dexium, a compound that makes things invisible and intangible.

Does George Lucas know about this? Could be a cool schtick.

Pied Piper (Flash #59; Hawkman foe) - musical powers?

As much as I like the current Piper, you'd think that I'd know he had a GA counterpart. But I didn't. I'm quite surprised he debuted as a Hawkman villain, rather than a Flash rogue.

Plant Men (Flash #29; Hawkman foe) - plant-men, rooted, with superstrength; orchid types with poison gas; live undersea; multiple types.

Link 'em up with Benjamen Brock and/or The Beanstalk and Kogats.

Prof. Kitzoff (Flash #8; Hawkman foe) - has raygun that causes sunspots that can control mankind's thoughts, manipulate emotions, etc.

Professor Kitz-off??!!! Hee-hee-- enforced nudity!

Purple Pilgrim (Flash #86; Hawkman foe) - descendent of 17th century criminal continuing family vendetta against all Sanderses, including Shiera.

The PURPLE PILGRIM!!!??? BWAHAHAHAHA! Make him come from San Francisco and have a thing for winged leather-men.

Raven (Flash Wheaties Giveaway 1946; Hawkman foe) - flight; "Scavenger of the Skies".

A possible Teen Titan connection?

Satana (Flash #13; Hawkman foe) - Sara Descarl owns man-eating menagerie of animals into which she has transplanted men's brains.

Ick-- creepy. I actually prefer the demented scientist chick to the pseudo-sorceress she appears to be currently.

Simple Simon (Flash #53; Hawkman foe) - uses "simple" gimmicks to commit crimes - a glass, a dime, etc.

Maybe too gimmicky, but SIMPLE SIMON appeals to me as a name for a villain.

Soro (Flash #96; Hawkman foe) - warlord of a race of power-hungry centaurs who have been secluded in a dormant volcano for millennia; they kidnap a group of the United States' greatest scientists with the intent of using them "to invent weapons to terrorize the world."

Wow. I think that sounds like a great character-- with Wonder Woman connections?

The Spoiler (Golden Age #1; Hawkman foe) - fifth columnist; death ray.

Maybe this guy's why Batman was so suspicious of Stephanie Brown?

Thayer, Edward (Flash #15; Hawkman foe) - commands a disembodied hand.

Unattached mobile body parts are always worth a look.

Thought Terror (Flash #4; Hawkman foe) - hypnosis.

All these riches and *this* guy gets updated?

Trygg (All-Star Comics #1; Hawkman foe) - sorceror who learned the Haitian secret of zombies.

Wasn't this the name of an Hourman villain? Oh, wait-- was that Trogg? Not into zombies, really-- but a zombie-creator might make a good foe.

We'll probably never see them, but I think the plant-related bloc, Dr. Barnes (THE FABRICATOR!),
KOGATS, MAZDA THE GREAT (Hmmm- now *he* sounds familiar-- has he appeared sometime in the last couple of decades?), the PHANTOM MENACE, the PURPLE PILGRIM, SATANA (CIRCEish), and SORO THE CENTAUR are update-worthy.

I'd certainly like to *see* them, at least.

[ May 31, 2005, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Mystery Lad ]
 

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[ May 31, 2005, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: Mystery Lad ]
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Race of Centaurs in a dormant volcano? Yes, yes, yes!

Todd, you're thoughts on the villains are as entertaining to read as the villains themselves
 

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Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
 

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Nyola (All-Star Comics #2; Hawkman foe) - Aztec priestess; magic spells.

The name and Aztec connection seem familiar. I'm pretty sure she's appeared outside of the GA.

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the Hood (Flash #19; Hawkman foe) - Pratt Palmer wears monk costume; uses
superscience - the "cold light" killing radiation gun.

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Pratt Palmer is no doubt related to Ray Palmer.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Nyola also appeared in All Star Squadron...just before #50 - a member of Monster Society of Evil, as I recalled.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Whoa! Big news from the Philly Wizard Convention! In September's HAWKMAN 44...

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GOLDEN EAGLE assumes the role of HAWKMAN!

Notice they say 'Golden Eagle', rather than Charley Parker... does Carter assume the role of Golden Eagle prior to #44?

Guess GE isn't as nefarious as I thought-- or is he?

Here's a link for more convention news:

http://www.newsarama.com/wwphilly05/DC/DCU/WWPhilDCU.htm
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
oh, CRAP!!!! They're setting him up to off him again!!!
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
sorry I got more intrigued by the new book - Vigilante....looks like Jack Knight?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I hope this doesn't hurt the title at all!

I'm going to assume that maybe Golden Eagle takes over while Hawkman's in space in the Rann-Thanagar war?

Lash, your fears are very understandable. This is the typical time for him to be offed. Maybe, just maybe, because we've seen that done to death over the years, that the writers will do more than off him.

I'm am literally CROSSING MY FINGERS that Hawkman's title remains in tact, with the same creative team, well after Infinite Crisis. DC *needs* a Hawkman, Green Arrow, BoP, etc. cadre of titles.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
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WHOA!!! Now we know who is in that casket from last issue-- and it's *not* Kendra!

This storyline isn't getting much 'larger' attention-- but it should be. The villains are up to no good--- and are succeeding (apparently) and, what's more, they're fresh... they're not the 'same old' villainous faces that turn up again and again. Big plus.

Then, the Thanagarian man-hawks are added in-- to great, almost mythological, effect. Poor Carter-- his 'final' splash page was... as dire an image as I've ever seen in superhero comics. Visceral. Prometheus-on-the-mountain gore.

And then *that* gets followed up by Charlie's suprise (*never* saw that one comin') announcement. Though I wonder if Charlie meant Carter or Katar when he said 'he's my father'...

I have *no* idea where this is going... much less how it's going to tie into Rann/Thanagar and JLA, etc.

But I can't wait to find out...

Best book of the week, for me. Well, that or KLARION-- they're so different, I can't quite compare them. Not that ranking matters much.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
OMG!!! Gotta hit the CBS Saturday, don't even care that LEGION isn't in yet.

If someone had told me, say, even 6 months ago even, that HAWKMAN would soon be good enough to get me to go to the CBS when LSH wasn't out yet, I would have been all like this and stuff:

HAWKMAN has gotten that good that quickly.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
And Toddkins, rumour has it that even MORE long-forgotten Hawkfoes will be crawling out of the woodwork! Dare we hope for.... THE BEANSTALK?!?!
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Hee-hee... maybe THE BEANSTALK can follow Kendra or Charley or Carter everywhere they go, sighing with unrequited love. He or she can be the Hawks' Harelquin-- staging crimes to get his beloved's attention...

... though that *wouldn't* fit in with the current storyline's mood. For *this* run, THE BEANSTALK would have to carry a machete, and have some sort of 'killer bean' power.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I read # 41-- WHOA!


Okay, so now we know why and how Charley will be taking up the mantle of HAWKMAN...

I would guess that the upcoming 1-year Gap will see Carter returned, in some form. That whole reincarnation thing...

Great book, has become one of my top titles.

I noticed my CBS had some reorders in on #s 38, 39 & 40. Dare I hope sales of this book have picked up a tiny smidgen?
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
the final pages of 41 were so shocking !! can't believe CARTER is dead !! although we know he WILL return !!

has it been mentioned before how soon a REINCARNATION takes place ??

i would have thought CARTER would return before the "INFINITE CRISIS" begins ??

Matthew.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
And where does RannThan War fit in? Before this current arc, obviously.

Preorder sales DID pick up a bit for HAWKMAN # 41, I noticed elsewhere... here's hoping people are catching on to how good this book has gotten.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
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... featuring the return of another villain from the golden-age list on this thread's page 7!

I was surprised that it was *that* particular name reintroduced... though it made sense given the character's revealed origin.

Hawkgirl gets lots of play (appropriate considering the cover art), and Golden Eagle *looks* great, if not really doing much of anything... unless that's him in a new guise.

I'm loving seeing these golden oldie one or two-shots dragged into the 'present'. Since HAWKMAN is now Carter Hall, it's only fair and right that *his* villains appear, rather than only the more familiar (to us) SA/BA/MA ones. I've read criticisms here and there that the villains are being thrown in without much development.

I *so* disagree. Have readers forgotten that comics are a method of *sequential* storytelling? The villain that makes a splash can be expanded upon in later storylines. What's wrong with that?
 

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Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
 
The "Hawkman" in Rann/Thanagar War hasn't spoken much: I suspect he's Charley, and he's hesitant to let too many people know it, lest they try to take advantage of his relative inexperience or dismiss him like a total rookie.

And in Hawkman 42: anyone else notice the license plate at the bottom of page 8 "WAK-R1"?

Either someone's a 3boot fanboy, or they're trying to tell us that Mark and Barry are the same person .
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
Is Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman ever going to make an appearence in the Hawkman series? She was so much a part of Hawkman before and after the Crisis that it would be a pity to overlook her.

After Zero Hour, it seemed that she had just vanished...did she get killed or what?
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Shayera was in Hawkman a couple years back when Geoff Johns was still writing the book. She aprehended a space criminal and went home to Thanagar after living years on Earth.

I have a bad feeling about what might happen to her as the crisis builds up. One of the covers for the Rann Thanagar war teases us about her fate but that's an old trick.


Oh BRM I like your Charley theory, Carter would never defer to Kendra in talking to Shayera like he did in the RTW #3.

[ July 14, 2005, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
I remember a version of the Hawks wearing space-suits and Hawkman had a strange looking patch over his right eye...from which era did this take place? It was after CRISIS but years before ZERO HOUR
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Some thoughts on the latest:

- This series continues to impress and be awesome. I read in an interview with the writers that they wanted to make a tale similar to a "Hush" story for Hawkman, but one that played up on all of Hawkman's uniqueness. I think they have succeeded wildly, and I think I like this story better than hush.

- We get an excellent Kendra issue, with Speed having some good time as well! Yes, yes, yes. And the little bits, like Kendra strapping the mace onto her arm with a leather belt, show the artist is on the ball too.

- Golden Eagle is still around, and his story slowly develops. I think Todd is precisely on the ball--we're getting a lot of characters, but their stories are being deveoped slowly after their big bang initial appearance. I think this is smart and action-oriented story-telling, and I like it here. And I loved the line "he probably won't even survive the next big crisis". That right there makes me think the writers are too smart to fall into a cliche and Golden Eagle may still have a long history ahead of him.

- The villains are still kicking ass! Satana is interesting, and I like how she is a seperate enemy entity from Fadeaway Man and his crew. Fadeaway Man is interesting, and his plans of retirement after 'killing Carter' (yeah, right) show more depth to him. Can't wait to see my new faves Lasso and Hummingbird again. And the purple pilgrim being stricly a Hawkgirl villain is a nice touch.

All in all, the series is still kicking ass. I hope sales continue to improve, b/c DC is better for having a Hawkman title.

One more thing- I think the Hawkman in Rann/Thanager War is definately Carter. His comments/talk with Adam Strange in #1 seem to be too much Carter more than anything else. How else would he know Adam? I also think Adam would be able to see through it.

I also think (no one has said otherwise, but thought I'd say) that it's obvious that its Carter in the current JLA storyline too.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I read # 42!

I missed the regular guy but am going to be the last to complain about a Steve Sadowski fill-in.

"I'll wager that amateur doesn't survive whatever CRISIS comes along next". Ummm... theat couldn't be a way unsubtle hint, could it? *choke!*

Anyhoo, next issue is the big one-- the all-GOLDEN EAGLE issue!!!
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
If anybody wanted to do a movie about HAWKMAN, i would pick Tom Jane in the main role...his physique would be perfect with just the right amount of chest hair to set it off.

This same hot physique was displayed in the Punisher movie...with Jane doing most of the action stunts half-naked...He would definitely make a perfect Katar Hol/Hawkman...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I don't know LAM, he seemed like a pretty horrible actor in Punisher. I'm one of those people who could care less about the look of the actor if the acting is there, instead of vice versa. Unless he's done a good job in other movies, since I've never seen him in anything else.

I'm sure their are plenty of hotties to play Hawkman and Hawkgirl
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
You might be right, Cobie, just find an actor with a hairy chest who CAN act...as for Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman, well, take your pick from any red-headed actresses out there...

Brian
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
If Clive Owen put on a bit more muscle, he might be a good Hawkman. Certainly intense enough, great actor, and hairy, muscular chest...
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
And good-looking, too!
 

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Posted by Stargazer on :
 
I think Jason Statham would be a great Hawkman.
He is the actor from the Transporter. He has an excellant build and a rugged look...Yeah I vote for him.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Latest issue (#43):

I hope everyone is still reading this series. IMO, it remains consistently good and one of those few series that really captures the 'awesome' factor.

We finally get the origin and full story on Golden Eagle, and despite there being no big shockers, I really, really liked it and I like Charley Parker now. Glad to see him, Kendra and Speed Saunders (yay for Speed!) ready to bring this thing to a head.

And the final page, though expected, had me going "YES!". Hawkman is my boy. Rugged and badass.

[ August 14, 2005, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Cobalt Kid ]
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
the latest issue was cool wasn't it COBIE !!

and the art was simply stunning !! i've really enjoyed JOE BENNETT's pencils during this storyline, although i think the inker RUY JOSE plays a massive part !!

JOE pencils 'BIRDS OF PREY' also, but his work in that book doesn't look as good !!

i'd love to see the 'HAWKMAN' team do a fill-in on the 'LEGION OF SUPER HEROES' !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Stargazer on :
 
The issue explained Golden Eagles death and how he came back... it was believable. Makes me wish I had some Nth metal laying around.
Is Charley Hawkmans son??
 

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Posted by Owl Lad on :
 
Somebody SPOIL please? My interest is piqued. I became a fan of the Golden Eagle only for his new costume design before he was killed in the titans Hunt. How is his resurrection explained and is he more interesting beyond a cool costume?
 

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Latest issue (#43):

We finally get the origin and full story on Golden Eagle, and despite there being no big shockers, I really, really liked it and I like Charley Parker now.
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Well, we got Charley's story *up to the Wildebeest attack*. And after learning of his juvenile delinquency, I'm a little nervous wondering just how he managed to get rich.

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I need to review the current series to check if we got a definite explanation for where Carter's body came from; right now, I have to wonder if Charley's telling the truth about the DNA test.
IIRC, that body's a lot younger than Charley.
*If* Charley *was* telling the truth, and there is a biological connection between them, then I suspect we're going to see Carter reincarnated in Charley's body, much as Shiera was reincarnated into Kendra's body.
 

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Posted by Stargazer on :
 
But if Charley is using it how can he be reincarnated into it?? I thought you were reborn if you were reincarnated.

I hope that does not happen.
 

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Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
 
Well, I was implying that Charley *wouldn't* be using it -- yes, in a few short months, I've gone from "Charley will take over the Hawkman ID permanently (insofar as anything is ever "permanent" in comics )" to "The writers brought Charley back just to kill him off again."
 

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Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
 
I re-read some of my back issues tonight, and discovered that my memory was faulty: Carter didn't get a new body when he reappeared on Thanagar. Rejuvenated, but still the original.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
Just what did happen to the Hawkman character after Zero Hour, coz it seemed that all the Hawks had been merged into one entity. Or did Carter/Katar get rebooted?
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
#44....

spoilers

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... and Charley's crack begin to show. I've been loving this storyline; next issue will decide how much I will when the story's complete.

Whatever happens, I hope the creators create the excavation and rejuvenation of old GA villains, reincorporating them into the current DCU.

I'd like a Thanagar connection, too-- not sure how that could work out. I know I miss the happily married Hawks, and have for a long time. I don't see their return as advisable, particularly. The next best thing (barely 'next', really) was the character of Shayera Thal, an untapped jewel. Her return might be made impossible by events in the RANN/THANAGAR miniseries. We'll see.

As for Charley Parker-- can his story be wrapped up in one more issue? Will he have a future as a Hawk-character?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
I am not sure about Charley Parker being REAL Charley Parker.....I still think that he is an imposter posing as Charley Parker - Fendal Ahl or something like that - is the one I suspected because he got away scot free the last time he was found out. Whatever happened to him?
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Yeah, I kinda had this vibe that Charley was in this just to get the mantle of Hawkman. So, who is his real father if his father was the real Hawkman?
 

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Posted by ferroboy on :
 
Katar? But is this really Charley Parker? He sure doesn't act like the guy from the Teen Titans of the 70s.
 

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Posted by ferroboy on :
 

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Originally posted by Stargazer:
But if Charley is using it how can he be reincarnated into it?? I thought you were reborn if you were reincarnated.

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That didn't stop Shiera from reincarnating in the adult Kendra.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Currently we've got Carter, Shiera, Charley a possible Katar, a deceased Shayera (reincarnation in the wings?) on the canvas.

If a more or less 'permanent' Hawk family is established after IC, who should be it's members?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I have a feeling that Katar is Charley's father.

I'm still loving this series and think it's kicking some serious ass. I'm glad Hawkman had his swift and harsh revenge on Fadeaway Man and his pals (we got to see the cool Indian Elephant guys again!). I'm looking forward to the showdown.

I know Golden Eagle is popular with a bunch of posters here, but my preference is for (1) Hawkman and Hawkgirl team of Carter and Kendra at this point. But if Golden Eagle stuck around, that'd be cool with me, as long as they kept him interesting and dynamic. I miss the Katar and Shayera too, but have a feeling that their days are long past, and other might find it too confusing.

I just want to see more Hawk-villains established and recurring! And more intersting supporting characters! And more beastial action! And more hot sexy Kendra (and Carter too for fellow hawk-fan buddies!).
 

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Posted by 235 - Andy S on :
 
i dropped Hawkman after issue 12 (i will give a new series a few issues up to a year) but couldn't really justify spending any more on it ...

the re-introduction of Golden Eagle (one fo my fave Titans, visually, anyway) brought me back too ... and even though this story is turning into something far different - and meaner & darker-- than what i was expecting, I LOVE IT

there have been several turns that i said "NO WAY" and fully expected some miraculous "and then he woke up"/nth metal solution to escape events .. instead, the creative team lets each ugly turn sink in and they move the story forward into ever-more-interesting ways

how long is this arc?
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Lash not like psycho Charley. Likes sweet Charley.

Hopefully, he isn't an imposter and he is Carter's son and one of the bad guys we haven't seen yet did something to his head and Carter's gonna slap him around for a bit until the mental conditioning breaks and then all 3 of them will go after said as-yet-unseen villain and kick his ass. And it's Hawk-Family bliss from there on.

Loved the swift retribution against the posse of recently-revitalized Hawk-foes. WAY cool. DO wanna know how Carter-- who we last saw as a half-eaten corpse-- survived/returned so quickly.

I don't like psycho-Charley, but HAWKMAN is good stuff!
 

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Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
 
Well, when I was reading my back issues recently, I noticed that Carter was asking Hector for one more favor as the story cut away from their scene ...
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
Personally, I'm ready for Carter to retake his titular spot. Golden Eagle, Schmolden Eagle.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Here's something our Boston gang failed to mention. Chris Batista will be doing the pencils (don't know about the covers) on an upcoming 3-issue arc of Hawkman that will tie directly into Infinite Crisis.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I read # 45.

*CHOKE!!*

I learned more about Charley Parker than I think I wanted to know.

I'll hold out hope for him.

I liked how Dr. Fate fit into Hawkman's "death". What good is having Dr. Fate for a son if you aren't going to make use of him?


This has been one kick-ASS arc of HAWKMAN. More than deserving of the TPB treatment.
 

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Posted by Jorg-EM on :
 
Haven't read it but I'm sure I will like it.

Re: Golden Eagle. Ya know I was first introduced to him during Titans Hunt. He looked so cool drawn by Grummet it sucked to see him die. But I'm over him in this series. He's no Hawkman.

Dr. Fate? YES! I've always really liked Dr. Fate...but Hector as Fate I think is the coolest thing since sliced bread. Love that Hawkman is his dad!

Chris Batista? One of my favorite artists. Loved his Spaceknights and his Legion! His JLA rocked and his Hawkman will as well. Hope he gets a regular gig after the One Year Later...my hope is JSA. A new look for an old team.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Originally posted by Jorg-EM:
Haven't read it but I'm sure I will like it.

Dr. Fate? YES! I've always really liked Dr. Fate...but Hector as Fate I think is the coolest thing since sliced bread. Love that Hawkman is his dad!

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Originally posted by Jorg-EM:
Haven't read it but I'm sure I will like it.

Dr. Fate? YES! I've always really liked Dr. Fate...but Hector as Fate I think is the coolest thing since sliced bread. Love that Hawkman is his dad!

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Should that read "the pre-ZERO HOUR Hawkman being Hector's dad"? Coz reading it as is written implies that the current Hawkman is Dr. Fate's dad, and i dont think Carter is old enough to have fathered Hec. Sorry for being picky, Jorg-Em...

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Real picky! But this Hawkman calls him son...and Hector calls him father. Plus this Hawkman is only maybe a 1 year old. He was "born" an adult.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
what an amazing final issue to this year long arc !!

i've loved this current storyline, it's been one of my favourite books month in, month out !!

the Cloak of Cagliostro would be a cool addition to HAWKMAN's collection of weapons !! although i don't see CARTER continuing to use it, i guess it would make him too powerful !!

do we know what book JOE BENNETT is moving onto next ?? i think his work on this arc has been AMAZING !! although his INKERS have had a big part too, [ i've stated before that i don't rate his BIRDS OF PREY work as much !! ]

but .... i'd love to see these guy's do some LEGION fill-ins !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 

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Originally posted by Jorg-EM:
Haven't read it but I'm sure I will like it.

Dr. Fate? YES! I've always really liked Dr. Fate...but Hector as Fate I think is the coolest thing since sliced bread. Love that Hawkman is his dad!

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Should that read "the pre-ZERO HOUR Hawkman being Hector's dad"? Coz reading it as is written implies that the current Hawkman is Dr. Fate's dad, and i dont think Carter is old enough to have fathered Hec. Sorry for being picky, Jorg-Em...

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Originally posted by CJ Taylor:
Here's to more issues of GrayPal and Bennet.

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Becomes Hawkgirl with issue 50, written by Walt Simonson and drawn by Howard Chaykin.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
First Hawkgirl thing...

Kendra was amazing when Johns first brought her out. And in the early run of this series, she was more exciting to me than Carter. With all due respect to GrayPal, they seemed to have limited her role here. She's not been more than a love interest in this book. I'm glad to see her get some spotlight, but I'm not sure it's worthy now.

Bully for Simonson tho'. I've never been familiar with Chaykin, but I'm certaily going to give him a chance.


Now, the creative team switch...

This bugs me just a bit. I like characters for their unique qualities. I'm a little worried to see this time split up and move on. Sure they may very well do justice wherever they land, but it may not be a character I'm jazzed about (ala' Hal Jordan.) And I've read my share of writers doing a poor job on a fav character (Moore just before Simone's BOP.)

I'm not changing my reading list due to any of the changes, but I won't stay on a book that isn't satisfying anymore. Bats and the X books have burned me there.
 

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Posted by Jorg-EM on :
 
Hawkgirl thoughts? Well I'm a bigger Hawkman fan but I think this is interesting.

Why? First the creators! Two of my all time faves. I wouldn't mind their roles reversed though but I will gladly take this!

Secondly? Hawkgirl may have some popularity thanks to the JLU cartoon. Dwyane McDuffie has already said this is his favorite character to write. She may be getting more air time next season.

Third? Why not? Hawkman the series I love...but it's not exactly selling like hot cakes.

It certainly has gained my attention.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I'm not really a Chaykin fan at all. But as long as he's not writing, I may give this a try.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
HAWKMAN #47

Wow. I didn't expect follow up on the GOLDEN EAGLE story this quickly. The appearance of GE's father was so sudden that it's instantly suspicious. Could the voice of his father, real or imposter, help turn GE on a more positive path?

Guess the storylines are getting cleared for the new creative team. I regret the current team's departure, as I think they've done some good work. I hope the new team continues the focus on updated Golden Age villains. That alone justifies the usage of the Egyptian Hawks, for me. I'd tend to prefer the Thanagar space-cops.

I'm sort of dreading the switch to HAWKGIRL, to tell the truth. Not sure if I'll keep reading.

[ December 16, 2005, 06:29 PM: Message edited by: Mystery Lad ]
 

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Posted by rhino MLLASH on :
 
I too hate to see the new team leave. The Golden Eagle/golden age villains saga was excellent.

Unfortunately, I am a MUCH bigger fan of Simonson's artwork than his writing. I am also a big fan of Chaykin's artwork (again, not his writing), so I will give HAWKGIRL a chance. The standard 3-6 issues.
 

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Posted by Suddenly Rhino on :
 
Yeah, I'll give it a few issues, too, but I have to admit, part of the draw in this series was the MAN part of the title.

Carter was an interesting character with a great setting, and most of the artists made him look mighty fine.

And since the topic of this thread is Hawkman covers, I just have to say 47 was one of the ugliest, most garish I've seen. And it looks like 48 and 49 will be just as bad.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Well the cover was a bit flashy. I don't know that'd I'd say ugly tho'. The story was a nice slam bam adventure after the moody run of the past year.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Not being a regular reader of the title and also being extremely far behind in reading the Rann-Thangar War mini (I've yet to finish it), I have a question. Was this issue (#47) the first mention of Durlan bio-ships?
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
They've been mentioned in the R/T War mini, in the last issue or two. Nothing than the passing mention they received here. I had been meaning to ask folks if they were ever a subject brought up in LSH history.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Originally posted by CJ Taylor:
And BENNET is incredible.

This guy does two books a month, regularly on time, and looking damn fine. Begging Barry's pardon, but Joe is my favourite penciller.
Watching Carter and Charlie go at it, that fight may have been scripted, but Joe made it happen.

Why isn't his work getting more hype? DC has some great artists working for them, and not on their top tier titles.

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Just found out Joe is the lead penciller on DC's 52*. This is great news. Not only won't we have to worry about timeliness, but we're guaranteed a great looking book no matter what they throw in it.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
HAWKMAN #48

You'd think that Shayera Thal would get some kind of memorial here in a book called HAWKMAN, set around the time of her death. Guess not. I *did* like that the Golden Eagle stuff got dealt with, even though it seemed rushed-- both in the story and in the lack of time between GE appearances.

Carter and Kendra finally get together, in a nicely done scene, though one somewhat bizarrely set in the middle of a war.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
There was something off about the whole issue. Events were rushed or drawn out, the story jumped during a couple of panels so I wasn't sure how it flowed. I get the feeling this was drawn out to allow for the IC stuff.

And this time, Seymour's bit about a garish cover does apply...
 

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Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
 
Yeah, the last coule issues have been a prime example of why I hate things like "Identity Crisis." The writer has a groove going, a nice pace, interesting storyline, and suddenly is told, "Shoehorn in this stuff about our stupid crossover even though it'll mess up everything you've been building since you started on the title."

I know he and Kendra were destined to get together, but her willingness felt rushed and expedient for "IC" and this one-year-later deal so he can go missing or whatever, and the book becomes hers. And it wasn't too long ago that he had found someone else. Put some real breather space in there before he hops in bed with someone else, even Kendra.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
HAWKMAN 49

The Chris Batista/Cam Smith art is wonderful. I thought Batista was terrific when he worked on the Legion and he keeps improving beyond that.

The Hawks get to smile and laugh for an extended scene before their apparent long-lasting separation by the time of 'One Year Later'.

Looking at the summation of the Rann/Thanagar War, it really strikes that I should've enjoyed an event featuring Vril Dox, Tigorr, Captain Comet, Adam Strange, etc. Rann and Thanagar themselves had me eager for the mini. But I just didn't.

At least we got a rejuvenated Blackfire and a semi-reformed Golden Eagle out of it. No compensation for Jade and Shayera, though. Those characters will be missed. And both went out in a 'nothing' fashion, IMO. I just hope Jade isn't going to be the voice of Kyle's ring or something. That'd cheese me off.

Are all this month's DC books ending with echo effect of heroes through several versions? OUTSIDERS did. JSA and TEEN TITANS didn't.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
I agree the Batista art is AMAZING. This guy is quickly becoming my fave artist probably. I've been a fan since Marvel's Spaceknight...and sooner. I actually got Spaceknights cause he was the artist! I just can't remember what title I first really noticed him. Some 2099 stuff? X-stuff? Or Spidey stuff?

This issue was a nothing special. Another Rann/Thanagar battle...which have gotten old IMO.

Worried about Carter. He's one of my fave characters of all time. This has been my fave solo title since #1.
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
Hmmmm... the future doesn't look too bright for Kendra:

From Newsarama:
Click Here For A SpoilerKendra is someone who has relationship problems with the world and other people Chaykin said, adding that to address this Kendra will be “dating most of the DC Universe”.

”Just the boys?” Rucka asked immediately?

”That’s an issue. That’s something we’ve discussed,” replied Chaykin.

”It’s going to be a book that’s sly, funny, sexy, and have a great deal of airborne violence,” he added.

 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I was worried that Chaykin might have a hand in the plotting, and that just might confirm it.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Doesn't look bright? But it does look fun!
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
Yeah... tramps are a blast
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Yeah!

GO, TRAMPS!
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
I just went through and read the entire run of Hawkman, because I was considering dropping the title (not because of future changes, just because I'm trying not to buy comics just because I already have umpteen hundred of that series...). You know, it's been a really good title. More violent than I'm used to, but great villains, inventive, sexual tension, love stories, most of what I want a comic book to be. Kudos to all the creative peoples. It's a keeper. Hopefully, One Year Later won't turn it to poop.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
So do we keep this thread, change the title, or start a new one? This book is all about Kendra now, and I'm eager to see her fly.
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 

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So do we keep this thread, change the title, or start a new one? This book is all about Kendra now, and I'm eager to see her fly.

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Bully a mod into changing the title to Hawkman/Hawkgirl
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
All right, which one of you wimps caved?!

Eh. I read 50... and was a might underwhelmed. Maybe I need to give it a second read. Chaykin's work had too many talking head panels for my tastes, though I'll admit he draws a GREAT Kendra.

Hopefully we see more HAWKGIRL in the next issue... we only got her in-costume in a dream sequence.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I thought # 50 was okay, enjoyed the Chaykin art.

Nowhere near as good as the Golden Eagle/revamped villains arc, which may be the best HAWKMAN story *ever*. I'll hang in there a few more issues.
 

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Posted by Nick Vinson on :
 
This has the feeling of 'decompression.' I like decompression if its good. This promises to be good.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
You know, I agree with Lash. The Golden Eagle/revamped villains arc is probably the best Hawkman story EVER. This title has been great.

I really want Carter to be a part of it though.
 

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Posted by Nick Vinson on :
 
When I worked at the comic store, the Golded Eagle/revamped villains arc was going on. I got more people to start reading Hawkman during that run.. everytime I saw Hawkman climbing in total sales my heart lept with joy.

Its a real feather in the caps of Palmiotti/Gray as writers.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
The latest solicit of Hawkgirl shows Hawkman and talks about him possibly returning. I *really* hope thats the case! He's become one of my favorite heroes in recent years.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Carter can return, as long as the focus is Kendra. I went into this title wanting more of her. I liked GrayPal, and they did a kick ass story. But Kendra got pushed to the side. Gimme my Hawkgirl!
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
#50 left me on the fence. There were a few things I liked (but not Hawkgirl's lips- she looks like that gal who's married to Harry Hamlin)... I miss Carter, though.

Truth to tell, I think DC chose the wrong Hawkgirl to star in this title.

Imagine Shayera back with a pair of wings like Kendra's... sigh.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
ML, I dig both Kendra and Shayera. I would have been overjoyed if Carter stayed on Thanagar and we got Hawkwoman and Hawkgirl starring in this title.

Reminder, ish #51 is out this week.
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
I'm surprised no one's commented on Kendra's comments in the Superman books about dropping out of JSA. Personally, I think it's a shame-- I always liked her best in the team setting.

But, judging by the comments between her and Hal, they both seem like good candidates for the new Justice League book. So who knows?

Either way, if this book doesn't pick up soon, I'm going to be majorly bummered. I want to like it but... I guess we'll just have to wait and see!! It's out today, after all.
 

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Posted by Starbucks Kid on :
 
I got sucked into the GrayPal team's version and actually found myself liking the title, which is rare b/c I always considered Hawkman to be more of a B-list superhero.

The art on that last issue made me want to drop the title, no lie. I don't pay $3 for Ernie Pook's Comeek and I won't be paying for Hawkgirl unless the production gets a little better. While I'm normally a story guy, the artwork was a major disappointment for me. I expect a little more out of my DC titles and that issue simply did not deliver.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Cali, I expect Hawkgirl (and Hal) to be joining the JLA. I'm actually hoping for that, and would be very pleased with it!

Would love to see Carter also in JLA, or even in JSA, then teaming with Kendra each month in this comic (each one at seperate teams in the DCU).

I bet Hawkgirl, Green Lantern (Hal) and Firestorm will be the first 3 heroes to round out the JLA with Bats, Supes and WW, before other members are considered. All (3) appear to be some of the major players during the missing year (along with Supergirl and some others) that we know for sure make it out alive by OYL.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Cali, I don't read Superman, so I hadn't hear about her quitting the JSA. It's a shame she did, she fit that group very well, sort of their resident loudmouth. That said, she could play with the Justice League and I'd be happy.

The new ish came out, and it was a bit disappointing. Artwise, Chaykin has certainly given it a unique feel, one that fits the creepy mood Simonson is trying to evoke.

The story is where this is failing. It's plodding, moving too slow to create any mood. Last ish's cliffhanger was rendered pointless. We get a couple of pages used to set up a poor piece of allegorical narration that doesn't advance the plot or give insight to our characters.

I feared the OYL jump would mean time spent explaining the new status quo, and this certainly fulfilled that fear.
 

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Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
 
I was disappointed in 51, too. The story and art are strictly so-so. Here's my theory. Someone high up at DC bought stock in a black ink-producing company. That would explain the recent spate of dark, muddy books, including Warlord and Aquaman.

And I don't know about you, but if I saw someone walking around bearing and gritting their teeth all the time, I'd tell them they should see a doctor. I've never seen so many teeth. Almost every panel is teeth, teeth, teeth. I laughed out loud when Kendra told Danny, "At least you still have all your teeth." Of course he does! He probably lost a couple in the original script, and Chaykin requested a change so he wouldn't have to draw missing teeth.

Oh, well, I'll give it one more issue. It certainly would be nice to save the $2.50 every month.

[ April 27, 2006, 07:02 AM: Message edited by: Suddenly Seymour ]
 

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Posted by Nick Vinson on :
 
New issue is out already???
Drat and Deuteronomy! Can't get to comic store until later. Hope this one doesn't sell out.

-Nick-
 

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Posted by Nick Vinson on :
 
Well. I have bought, and read... This has the smell of a set up. This was all set up. The art was a bit shaky in parts, but I chock that up to Chaykin doing the new Avengers, Cap one off for that Civil War stuff. I like the voice this book has. Kendra really feels unique and there it has an odd appeal. For me at least.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
Nowhere near as good as the Golden Eagle/revamped villains arc, which may be the best HAWKMAN story *ever*.

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
I read issue 43. TITS. GREAT BIG GIANT FUZZY BROWN DELICIOUS TITS!!!

First things first-- hands down, the cover wins BEST COVER award of the stack I bought and I bought 25 comic books last week.

Charley's story held me mesmerized, and his plan is both brilliant and dangerous. But even THAT was topped by those final 5 pages....

Good LORD, this book is NOVA-HOT. Definitely one of my personal top 5 favorites now.

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This tickles me to no end... I really, REALLY liked the GrayPal/Bennet run of HAWKMAN
 

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Posted by Shining Son on :
 
Well if a thread is going to be resurrected, I guess it's fitting it would be about the Hawks.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
And see, I did a search figuring there WAS a hawkman thread before starting the new one and it turned up nothing! WTF?
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
SAVAGE HAWKMAN #1: Unless there's a bunch of revelations coming, I don't see why they just didn't give this Hawkman a new identity and *really* divorce themselves from all the reincarnation/Thanagarian 'stuff' the writer was so proud of himself for dumping (an author interview almost caused me to skip this... )

It's a good issue- I liked a lot about and don't think the past is as removed from the character as I thought. Perhaps.

The Nth Metal thing was pretty cool... in a way. On the other hand, I don't think Hawkman really needed this enhancement as a character.

As I read the metal 'slurping' into Carter's body, I couldn't help thinking that a Nth Metal Man would be kind of fun. 'HAWKMAN AND THE METAL MEN'-- would you buy?
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
Savage Hawkman #1

I thoroughly enjoyed Phillip Tan's artwork on this book. Nice layouts. Each panel felt like a painting. It had a very gritty and realistic feeling. The colors were as close to perfect as they could be.

The story left me a pretty confused. Again, I'm disappointed by the lack of background and explanation. We didn't get to know Carter very well at all. The Nth metal upgrade is interesting, but not necessary. Hawkman's power set has always worked just fine for me. Honestly, it felt like the issue was designed around the reveal. For those who find the upgrade really cool that may be enough. I'm going to need a little more depth to be fully satisfied.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Did you wonder, as I did, if DC might've been better off having a totally new character bond with the Nth Metal?
 

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Posted by Future on :
 

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Did you wonder, as I did, if DC might've been better off having a totally new character bond with the Nth Metal?

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Originally posted by Jerry:
Savage Hawkman #1

I thoroughly enjoyed Phillip Tan's artwork on this book. Nice layouts. Each panel felt like a painting. It had a very gritty and realistic feeling. The colors were as close to perfect as they could be.

The story left me a pretty confused. Again, I'm disappointed by the lack of background and explanation. We didn't get to know Carter very well at all. The Nth metal upgrade is interesting, but not necessary. Hawkman's power set has always worked just fine for me. Honestly, it felt like the issue was designed around the reveal. For those who find the upgrade really cool that may be enough. I'm going to need a little more depth to be fully satisfied.

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Jerry's summary actually mirrors my feelings pretty closely; the first issue was adequate and I'll get #2, but they better really step their game up. I'm a longtime big fan of Hawkman and I have high hopes (and perhaps give the franchise more leeway than I would give, say, Deathstroke). But I will need the series to grow in quality as it finds it voice.

I'm very dissapointed in the lack of connection to Carter Hall or Katar Hol's mythos. It leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and Tony Daniel basically reveling in his dismissal in many elements of Hawkman's past was infuriating. I hope eventually, though that can be rectified--we dont need to know everything right away.

The comic die look fantastic. Phillip Tan has always been great and he's absolutely explosive here.

Overall, I didn't enjoy it as much as JL #1. It was satisfactory and I hope it gets better over time.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
I wasn't really into it, though the art was pretty spectacular.

I'll pass though.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
I'm sorry. I love the character. I really do, and I'll stick with the book to the bitter end... but it's almost impossible to follow in the fight scenes artwise, the armor looks horrible to me, especially the helmet, and the book is so darkly colored that nothing about it is appealing to me, other than the character of Carter...which is losing appeal fast because I literally cannot follow it.

This is THE book I was looking forward to over even firestorm in the relaunch, and it's failing miserably to appeal to me, personally.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
Dropping it. Pure garbage.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hawkman #2--one word:

UNREADABLE
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
I didn't get past #1, and that was Byrne-stealing my buddy Mike's copy. He's glad he didn't put #2 on his preorder. Such a rich character and they're making such a fuss at "Accessibility" that they're completely missing what makes Hawkman a relevant character. They should've just left Carter on the backburner for robinson's JSA relaunch.
 

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Posted by the Hermit on :
 
After reading Savage Hawkman #1 I called my CBS to make sure he didn't pull #2 for me.
 

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Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
 
I didn't think this title was quite that bad, but I think maybe I was just it seemed so much better than I, Vampire.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Tony Daniel's at it again. In an interview at comicbookresources.com, he bemoans Hawkman's lack of a rogue' s gallery. Palmiotti and Grayson might disagree. I know I do. Then, he previews the new version The Gentleman Ghost (Jim Craddock's not a gentleman anymore. Didn't you just know that was coming?), who will now be "more zombie than ghost". Aaaack! I hate zombies! Why not come up with your own character instead of taking a character named Gentleman Ghost and making him neither?

I figured GG's shades of gray would be dropped and that he'd be much more of an out and out villain if he made it to the new DC. I'll miss the ambiguity of him. I alway's enjoyed the doubt about whether he'd help or fight the Hawks. But a zombie? No.

I hate the sound of this. On the positive side, Carter's headed for space after the GG storyline. And Hawkgirl's mentioned, though her appearance is not promised. A single sentence in an upcoming issue is supposed to be highly revelatory.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
The Gentleman Ghost re-do was awful. I suppose if I had no expectations, I might be more open to the new one-- but I don't think I could get past the New Orleans looking voodoo GG still with a past as a highwaymen. Colorful threads and skully dead-looking face add nothing and, in fact, detract from what should be the essential mystery of the character.

This title's got 2 or three more chances to win me over, but the prospects for that happening don't look good.
 

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Posted by Anita Cocktail on :
 

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:

This title's got 2 or three more chances to win me over, but the prospects for that happening don't look good.

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Originally posted by Jerry:
RE: The Savage Hawkman #9


Um, not sure that I ever imagined I would be expressing this thought, but...

Rob Liefeld's writing is welcome change for this book. It's so much more readable. Easier to follow with lots of things going on. Things I'm actually interested in.

So, welcome aboard Mr. Liefeld!

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I'm in 100% agreement. What a welcome change from what's gone on before! Carter is suddenly a well defined ad likable lead; there is action balanced with personal reflection; new threats / characters / subplots; and just overall a fun read!

Liefield clearly has help--a co-writer, a strong penciler and very strong inker. But hey, that's smart of DC to surround him with people to take his big ideas and actually deliver them.

This was the best Hawkman comic since Graypal.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
The Savage Hawkman #0

I like the direction this book is going. There's still a lot of confusion. The Who's Who entry says, "Carter Hall knows history - just not his own. Suffering from a combination of amnesia and conflicting memories, Carter is truly certain of nothing." In spite of that, the main story clearly presents Kator Hol and his escape from Thanagar. We also see his complicated history with Shayera. It's not quite the silver age police man from Thanagar, but it's working for me. I'm anxious to see where it goes.

[ September 27, 2012, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
I didn't find it a bad read, but it was awfully familiar- not sure exactly what the story was reminding me of, but that trio of royal brother and sister and 'adopted' peaceful boy sure had me experiencing deja vu. Thor, Loki and Sif? No, that's not it. Moses?

What I hated was Shayera. Another deformed villainess to team up with Omen. What joy DC is bringing to this fan of so many of the less than front rank characters. Fans of Lana/Insect Queen better be hoping they just leave her in limbo, with Wally, Donna and Garth.

Well, they did OK by Kid Eternity and Black Orchid, so they aren't batting .0000.

At least this Shayera is blonde, not strawbetty blonde and therefore might have a redheaded cousin or something with the same first name. There's even precedence for that sort of thing in the Hawkman mythos. I think they're calling this gal 'Ladyhawk', not Hawkwoman or Hawkgirl. A sliver of hope remains.
 

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