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Good question. I think it may have been on a different Earth.
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From a friend of mine who is 'in' the industry. Some REALLY interesting points: Okay...here we go.
Possible spoilers...
One thing I saw pointed out is that there are 12 (living) people in the picture...there was apparantly mention made somewhere that the Monitors were watching 12 people who should not have survived the Crisis. We know that Donna Troy, Kyle Rayner, and Dick Grayson are among them. Assuming that the Red Robin in the picture is actually Dick, like it is in Kingdon Come...it's a pretty interesting point.
The dead people are:
1) Blue Beetle - Shot by Max Lord (Countdown to Infinite Crisis)
2) Maxwell Lord - Killed by Wonder Woman to stop him from using Superman as a weapon (Actually happened in Superman, but I can't remember the number offhand, so we'll say Infinite Crisis #1)
3) Jade - Died in space trying to help stop the Crisis. In death, her powers transferred to Kyle, combining with his GL powers, and turning him into Ion...hence the new costume. (Rann/Thanagar War Infinite Crisis Special)
4) The Question - Died of cancer on the steps of Nanda Parbat, a place that might have been able to save his life. (52 #38 - DC has copped to this being an "official" death.)
Also, if you look between Canary's foot and Beetle's hand, you can see a small patch of red, and a small patch of gold. In a hi-res version of the pic, you can tell that the gold is a Legion flight ring, and the red appears to be the Atom's hand. The indication here is that the Atom is dead as well. Since the four that we know are dead are laid out in the order that they died, the implication is that he died somewhere between Beetle and Lord. I really hope it's not true, as Palmers one my favorites...but I have a different theory. Booster Gold is currently in possession on both a flight ring, and a set of Palmer's belt and gloves. He's also dealing with a lot of time travel. We can only see the Atom's hand/arm. My theory is that it's actually booster that has died, and that at some point in the future, he's going to go back to the past to try and change something and die in the process. Just my theory.
The Batman looks like one used in a story from a few years back, when all the annuals for that year were done as Elseworlds.
Also back to the hi-res image, you can tell that the Flash has blue eyes, and not gold. So in theory, it's Barry, and not Bart who is currently using Barry's old costume.
Also, there are three of the figures that are standing behind the tines of the crown in the picture: Red Robin, Batman, and Flash. It's a distinct possibility that these are all three from alternate realities, as we know the multiverse is back now.
That is Mary Marvel in Mary Marvel's costume.
That looks like a Phantom Zone projector between Max and Jade on the ground. I have no idea if it's placement is important.
This whole image actually seems to be a take on a poster from the Sopranos a couple years back. That's just something I read...I know nothing about the Sopranos.
The phrase: "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction..." is from the bible.
Jeremiah 50:21-22:
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"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction".
S'all I got right now.
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Newsarama has the high res image.
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Originally posted by Tekwych: From a friend of mine who is 'in' the industry. Some REALLY interesting points:
This whole image actually seems to be a take on a poster from the Sopranos a couple years back. That's just something I read...I know nothing about the Sopranos.
Similar? Maybe. Sopranos
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The poster reminded me of the Sopranos image as well -- the "moody cast photo that has hints about the upcoming storylines" thing has been done a number of times since then.
And is it me or in the hi-res version, does it look like the blue drapery under Wonder Woman is actually covering someone? I can kinda make out the contours of someone's face under there. I don't know why WW and Supes would be sitting on someone's body though -- maybe it's a statue?
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Originally posted by Tekwych: From a friend of mine who is 'in' the industry. Some REALLY interesting points:
Okay...here we go.
Possible spoilers...
One thing I saw pointed out is that there are 12 (living) people in the picture...there was apparantly mention made somewhere that the Monitors were watching 12 people who should not have survived the Crisis. We know that Donna Troy, Kyle Rayner, and Dick Grayson are among them. Assuming that the Red Robin in the picture is actually Dick, like it is in Kingdon Come...it's a pretty interesting point.
The dead people are:
1) Blue Beetle - Shot by Max Lord (Countdown to Infinite Crisis)
2) Maxwell Lord - Killed by Wonder Woman to stop him from using Superman as a weapon (Actually happened in Superman, but I can't remember the number offhand, so we'll say Infinite Crisis #1)
3) Jade - Died in space trying to help stop the Crisis. In death, her powers transferred to Kyle, combining with his GL powers, and turning him into Ion...hence the new costume. (Rann/Thanagar War Infinite Crisis Special)
4) The Question - Died of cancer on the steps of Nanda Parbat, a place that might have been able to save his life. (52 #38 - DC has copped to this being an "official" death.)
Also, if you look between Canary's foot and Beetle's hand, you can see a small patch of red, and a small patch of gold. In a hi-res version of the pic, you can tell that the gold is a Legion flight ring, and the red appears to be the Atom's hand. The indication here is that the Atom is dead as well. Since the four that we know are dead are laid out in the order that they died, the implication is that he died somewhere between Beetle and Lord. I really hope it's not true, as Palmers one my favorites...but I have a different theory. Booster Gold is currently in possession on both a flight ring, and a set of Palmer's belt and gloves. He's also dealing with a lot of time travel. We can only see the Atom's hand/arm. My theory is that it's actually booster that has died, and that at some point in the future, he's going to go back to the past to try and change something and die in the process. Just my theory.
The Batman looks like one used in a story from a few years back, when all the annuals for that year were done as Elseworlds.
Also back to the hi-res image, you can tell that the Flash has blue eyes, and not gold. So in theory, it's Barry, and not Bart who is currently using Barry's old costume.
Also, there are three of the figures that are standing behind the tines of the crown in the picture: Red Robin, Batman, and Flash. It's a distinct possibility that these are all three from alternate realities, as we know the multiverse is back now.
That is Mary Marvel in Mary Marvel's costume.
That looks like a Phantom Zone projector between Max and Jade on the ground. I have no idea if it's placement is important.
This whole image actually seems to be a take on a poster from the Sopranos a couple years back. That's just something I read...I know nothing about the Sopranos.
The phrase: "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction..." is from the bible.
Jeremiah 50:21-22:
Quote:
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction".
S'all I got right now.
ToyGeek I'll admit, the part that made me fall off my chair was the name at the end: I think it's the same Toygeek who posted on the Ghostbusters boards for a while, and he does indeed know his stuff.
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It probably is, he doesn't post as much as he used to (he has a life off line these days)
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Re: this week in 52...
When they mentioned the 4th horseman had already left Misfits Island, I couldn't help but think of Skeets. 'Course, he wasn't created there, so it doesn't make sense.
I hope Nat's story doesn't have a happy ending. I prefer Infinity Inc doesn't get a series out of this. But I wouldn't mind seeing John Henry picking up the hammer again.
As for Charlie, I'm sorry to see him go. But seeing his story play out like this is interesting.
Just spouting off.
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I HATE that they killed the Question!! Grrr....
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I admit that I don't get the reasoning behind it.
He was a breakout character on the JLU cartoon and you would think the natural thing to do would be exploit that in the comics.
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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
I HATE that they killed the Question!! Grrr.... yeah, well, they "killed" Animal Man, Booster Gold, Hal Jordan, nearly all the Green Latern Corp, etc, etc. give it time, I am sure Vic will get better.
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Did the Question really just die then? I thought it was just another fake-out like that New Year's Eve issue a few weeks ago.
If he did die though, then talk about anti-climactic! They should've just offed him in his hospital bed in that other issue I mentioned. That was a much better written scene than this one.
Still loving 52 though.
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DC is calling this an 'official' death
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I strongly agree with the sentiment that killing the Question off just as a whole lot of people starting caring about him since the JLU final season is stupid, but not unusual for comic book companies. I just picture someone like me trying to find out what's going on with the character he remembers from the TV show finding out that he's a she and just giving up...
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Originally posted by Blacula:
Did the Question really just die then? I thought it was just another fake-out like that New Year's Eve issue a few weeks ago.
If he did die though, then talk about anti-climactic! They should've just offed him in his hospital bed in that other issue I mentioned. That was a much better written scene than this one.
Still loving 52 though. I'm getting that his death was supposed to be anticlimactic, the point of the scene wasn't really about the Question. It was about Renee and her transformation since Week 1. We wouldn't have seen the lengths that she went to to try to save him if he had died in bed. Now after all this will she go back to being that person brooding over the death of her partner in the dark apartment drowning herself with booze? Not likely.
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But that still leaves Vic dead, regardless of how Renee responds.
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1/31-
Black Adam has a family moment this week. Osiris has been holing himself up and Adam is getting frustrated. And into all life, a little rain must fall...
Ralph goes for a swim, among the ruins of Atlantis. Seems he and Fate's Helmet are looking for a menagerie of artifacts. They bump into an amnesiac, but little is done with that plot point.
It's a mad mad mad scientists' world. They send off their horsemen with a BOOM, while Sivana waxes on about Suspendium and caterpillars... All this while Will Magnus works up a little liquid courage.
Nat explores Luthor's Everyman project a little more. She watches the chief engineer destroy the project, but Luthor rebuilds it- and himself. And hunger pains...
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I hate that ts series is getting me interested in both old and new characters-- like the Question, Isis and Osiris-- while plotting to possibly take them away too!
I love the "Black" Marvel Family in both concept and execution, all the way down to the talking crocodile!
And Buddy's fate-- horriffic!!
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So.
Is that the Emerald Eye I see in Doctor Sivana's Workshop?
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As a Question fan I'm not happy. I agree he gained some new fans due to the cartoon. It just seems they are trying to force so many characters into new roles. I loved the Black Adam family. I always loved Captain Marvel...but hated the family especially the talking tiger. Now the Adam's have a talking crocodile? Ugh. Black Adam should've fried him weeks ago. I'm also developing a liking to many characters I feel won't be around anymore. 
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I think this series continues to impress. All four of the latest issues were amazing, and each story has little tidbits that are keeping me interested.
Space Heroes - so, those are those crazy aliens from Animal Man's series? That means 'OH BOY', as we get closer to a multiverse/etc. event.
Renee - Tamper you're right, her story has been simply amazing. What a powerful issue. I hope this really isn't the end of Vic, after all, he's right outside Nanda Parbat.
Booster/Rip/Skeets - awesomely done. I love that there were scenes we never saw. I wonder how many more we'll end up getting?
Black Adam - looks like the first Horsemen is about to make his life very hard. Its about to get tough on that end.
Ralph - so, the wedding bands are definately playing a part in this series. I get the symbolism, but I want to learn what they mean in regards to what he's using them for. I've got wacky theories, but I'm just going to let the series pay off.
Will Magnus – we all saw it coming, and I love how heroic he’s being. Both brilliant and deceptive and I CANNOT WAIT for Will and the Metal Men to have their day by series end. Egg-Fu and the rest are unbelievably fun. I love the little hints, can’t wait to see Mr. Time’s (or whatever his name is) secret, who Mr. Mind has been this whole time (I’m leaning towards Isis), T.O. Morrow & the Red Tornado, etc.
Natasha – doesn’t look good for her. I thought the brutal scene with her ‘boyfriend’ was riveting and now I’m just waiting for Steel to take center stage in that story. Can’t help but feel that at least one of them is a goner.
Still having my socks knocked off each week.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I can’t wait to see who Mr. Mind has been this whole time. A rumour going around is that he is actually Skeets. Or rather - the pilot of Skeets (a la Quislet). An interesting theory but I'm not sure I buy it. We clearly saw a discarded cocoon in Mr Mind's chamber all those months ago which must mean he's evolved into *something*. But what? Or who? Another great issue this week and JG Jones is defintely this series' unsung hero with his excellent covers - but I hope that's the last one we see of Lex Luthor. He's just a few notches behind the Joker on my list of boring, overexposed villains and I hate that so much attention is being focused on him in this story since we all know what happens to him post-52 anyway, thanks to that first Johns/Busiek Superman arc.
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Maybe Mr Mind is one of the Four Horsemen.
Or maybe he is in Fate's Helmet. Or he is the Helmet.
Or maybe Mr Mind is really Lady Styx!
And I think 'Skeets' is the mind of Alexander Luthor. That's my quess.
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Originally posted by rtvu2:
Maybe Mr Mind is one of the Four Horsemen.
This seems to be heavily implied in the latest 5.2 about 52.
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A new week and a new issue...
If you've been enjoying the Luthor story, here's some comeuppance for the man.
The Black Adam/Osiris plot took a turn I wasn't expecting at all.
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