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I don't think that they majority of the characters did anything that any of us would not have done. Shane forced the issue, but once the zeds were out in the open...what would you have done?

I thought the Maggie / Glenn part of that was awesome.

The rest were doing what they thought they had to given the situation they were forced into.

Herschel having such a view of the Zeds is an interesting one, but ultimately flawed. Shane showed that by shooting the one repeatedly with it continuing to come after him as best it could. People would not come back from decomposition like that. And as was pointed out to him several times...he has had no real idea of what life was like outside his farm. His encounters have been limited to a dozen or so walkers that have wandered onto the farm. Maggie held the same views until she was attacked and saw one get up with its head hanging to the side, all but detached from it's body.

Shane is the "villain" of the piece...the rest are guilty of non-action in trying to stop him if anything. I'm also sure that any of them would have thought that Shane would have had no problem shooting anyone that had tried to stop him...or force them to shoot him.

One thing that I find compelling is that for all his bravado, Shane did not have the balls to pull the trigger on Sophia when she emerged. The others I give a pass...hell, Andrea shot her own sister in the head when she turned. It took Rick, who up until then had stood back like a someone who had lost complete control. With that one action though, he may very well have regained control from Shane.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out...we're not completely done with the farm yet. The fallout has to be dealt with. Then we have them eventually leave the farm and find their next home.

Rick, Glenn (who got the okay - which could be a discussion in and of itself), Dale, Lori and Carl are the only ones that did not participate in the barn thing. Rick only stepped in when the others froze in their tracks.

The other thing is...it's an inevitability that they would have eventually gotten out of the barn on their own. The more in there would have eventually given them enough force to make a break for the human buffet sleeping a little ways away.

btw - I love playing devils advocate.

No prob, I love a little back and forth on something I know we both like so much!

Now... nothing you say is untrue and I agree with many of your points, particularly singling Shane as the REAL villain of that scene.

Putting myself in Herschel's shoes, I would be ENRAGED at what Shane has done. The Otis thing was bad enough (and I still contend was unnecessary as the walkers would have gotten him anyway). Shane has in fact now occupied Herschel's home... that was not his choice to make.

Whatever Shane might have coming to him... I now think he fully deserves, whereas previously I was not convinced.

Actually Shane was more hurt/limping than Otis. If it was really a "only one of us gets out of here" scenario, Otis was the logical choice to keep trucking while Shane slowed them down. But Shane was in "it's him or me" mode at that point.

Despite my misgivings, the last scene WAS a brilliant reversal, as it showed beautifully how both Herschel and Shane were wrong.

Shane, pretty cruelly, demonstrated the "reality" of the walkers to Herschel, but then Sophia brought Herschel's point back equally hard on Shane. Shane had no problem getting his hate on and blowing away faceless walkers without any compassion, as they weren't Herschel's family to him, but "things". Then Sophia turns up, the shoe's suddenly on the other foot and Shane's frozen out and the group falls apart.

Rick's the only one to man up and put Sophia down, not because he wants to or because he's filled with hate, but because it's what needs to be done. It was a perfect echo of the scene with the crawling walker in the very first episode ("I'm sorry this happened to you..."). Rick has compassion and respects who the Walker's used to be. It's not a casual thing to dispatch them, but it is necessary. That empathy is what sets him above Shane.

Limping Shane was outpacing Otis anyway. Otis unhurt still could not keep up with limping Shane...

I totally agree. February should be very interesting!!

Fantastic insight into the final sequence and what that told us about Shane, Herschel and Rick.

Have to feel real bad for Herschel; since the travelers showed up, his farm sanctuary has been totally up-ended and much of what he had previous has been lost (Otis, his Walker relatives and friends).

It would not surprise me if a heart attack or something completes the tragedy.

Finally saw The Talking Dead from last night. Things from the show are below:

Kirkman himself said that Otis was the one that put the walkers in the barn, and that once he died they were the ones that had to do it now. This may mean that nobody else on the farm knew about Sophia...not that that would stop Shane from going postal on him. The last part is my thought...


They said that it was indeed a turning point for Rick...and the fallout of that would be seen.

Kirkman is not opposed to having Darryl show up in the comic...but his plans that are already set kind of make it really difficult.

Kirkman wants Michonne in the show...to at least stop people from asking him when she is going to show up.

Kirkman also says that killing characters in the book is easier, and there are times when he just does it without thinking through it to much. On the other hand, killing characters on the show is harder, because it essentially firing a cast member...which he doesn't really want to do.

Breaking from keeping the TV show and comic separate for a moment-- Michonne's arrival has the potential to be one of TV's finest moments, and I DO hope they use that!!


SPOILER FROM SNEAK PEEK OF NEXT EPISODE:

The sneak peek for next episode I saw last night definitely shows that Herschel was unaware of Sophia being in the barn.

Herschel is as fascinating on-screen as he is in the comic.

Dave's previous post about that final scene will stay with me for a long time... and explains in words what made the episode a winner so very well.

Like Hershel, I was SO tensed up during that final scene even BEFORE the final reveal! I gotta admit, they really surprised me with that one. I should've recognized all the misdirection going on, but I fell into the "they're gonna find her alive!" camp after daryl reinforced the Cherokee rose bit. As the episode neared its end run, I thought, "I guess they'll leave that for the second half of the season."

When it first showed those little legs, I was thinking, "is that Mrs. Hershel?" But as the camera slowly panned up, I recognized the clothes. I think I realized it before my wife when I yelled, "oh my god--that's Sophia!"

Most shocking moment on a TV show I've seen in a long time--probably the most shocking since the moment I realized Jacks 'flashback' at the end of Lost season three was actually a flashforward. I think this one tops that one in its sheer emotional impact.

For a second there, I thought Carol might run to Sophia and get bitten by her--something that would echo a scene in the book. Powerful, powerful scene that effectively completed the half-season and set up some real conflict for February to pick up on.

This is one terrific season and series, and I would have to disagree with those who feel it was "slow" or not as compelling as the first. The character development has been outstanding, IMO!

I *definitely* thought this was going to happen-- and am glad it didn't! I actually hope to see Carol and Darryl form a relationship now!

I was actually expecting something like that to happen at the end, only with Sophia coming out of the woods. I never thought about her being in the barn.

Also, I'd have to agree with Dev that Shane's point of view DID make a lot of sense within the context of a zompocalypse. However, I'd have to say that Dale's did as well. (Good, tense scene between the two, btw!)

The ultimate tie-breaker, though, is what Shane did to Otis. I'd rather be following a principled, human Rick than a cold, detached Shane. (I mean, how long before Shane would turn on me?) I love how the show is exploring this dichotomy in much greater detail than they did in the comics. It was there even then but probably resolved too soon.

Loving Carl this season, as well. Loved that he got to cuss and get in Shane's face a little! makes me kinda hope that things end between the two eventually as it did in the books.

But, as this episode proves, you can't count on things working out like they do/did in the source material--and I'm glad for it!

EDE- are you reading the comic or trades yet and if so, how far along are you?

No, not yet.

*DISlike*

One thing to remember here, is that while we know what Shane did, the characters in the show do not. We can make a more fully informed decision on who we would rather follow, but the characters cannot.

It does set up a great situation where, in classic horror movie fashion, we can yell at the screen "don't trust him!!! He's going to kill you!!!"

Another thought I just had is this. Dale saw Shane line up Rick in his sights, and has said as much to Shane. He also seems more than willing to get up in everybody's business. Then why the hell has he hot said anything to Rick. "Oh, by the way Rick...the guy you trust with your life was banging your wife while you were 'dead' and came this close to shooting you in the back - literally."

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this info comes out now, since Dale's last encounter with Shane went so piss-poorly.

Inside The Walking Dead-- The cast looks ahead

a 4-minute piece I haven't seen anywhere else, from AMCtv.

I'm curious as to what point in the series marked Frank Darabont's departure from the show. If Sunday's episode was post-Darabont, this bodes very well! If not, it's still wait-and-see.

Looks very promising... especially the impact of losing Sophia the way they did...

For the record, I read #1 tonight!

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