Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes The Complete Continuity Match-Up Checklist: from Baxter to Levitz Relaunch (revised)

Sorry, I don't buy that. Sure some silver age story with magnetic eyes can be ignored or a holiday special where Shady had umbra's solid light abilities even... but.... Legion of three worlds was a solid part of not only Legion continuity but also DC's (return of Kid Flash and Superboy)only two years ago. For a writer to just lose it's ramifications is sloppy in the extreme. To dismiss parts and not others is frankly taking the p!ss. If such things are dismissed as writer's perogative then this whole thread is pointless because the answer to every change is "Levitz/Johns/Robinson just decided that that was the way it now is".

Either Lo3W is in continuity or it should be explained in story why it isn't. Flashpoint would be an obvious explanation if no other changes are revealed in/after September.

Unfortunately this whole practice of one writer ignoring the continuity established by other writers is what eventually led to DC losing its spot as the number one comics company back in the silver age.

Marvel made it a practice to keep all their books consistent with each other, even to the point of moving most of their characters that were starring in their own series out of the Avengers and replacing them with "orphans" such as Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch specifically to avoid contradicting storylines. DC, meanwhile, was publishing books that would have (just to use one glaring example) the Earth-two based Spectre treat the Earth-one Flash as if he was the only character ever to bear that name. Fans got sick of it and deserted DC for Marvel in droves.

Sadly, DC seems destined to never learn from its own mistakes.

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Legion of Three Worlds was in fact a continuity mess in several areas. Bringing *back* the Emerald Empress was one of them. You can't blame Paul for ignoring that she was alive, when the fact that she was even shown as being alive already ignored her death.

(And it's not just that Johns was continuing from before the end of V3 either. He also had Tharok and Validus back.)

Ah, but was it Johns, or did George Perez just get carried away with his crowd scenes?

Johns said all along that his break off point was Crisis on Infinite Earths so as well as bringing back the Empress and Validus Johns also wrote out the Death of Superboy and its sequel conspiracy. Tharok was brought back in COIE so I suppose it was consistent Johns bringing him back as well.

Personally I thought Johns was right and Levitz's overturning was a mistake but that is just an opinion.

I think even if you keep in stuff past Crisis the break point should be the death of Superboy. There is no real way to make stuff after that fit since the pocket U Superboy no longer exists. I have to agree Levitzs mad a mistake on this one.

Problem with John's version was he kept Karate Kid alive but had Projectra be Sensor Girl. His "Faux Pau" left the continuity gate pretty much wide open.

In today's day and age even.

no KK being alive was explained that the founders found a way to resurrect him. Jeckie could still be sensor girl and val could have been resurrected after that. She rejoined as Sensor Girl in issue 14 that was before Crisis Occurred. First Post Crisis Legion issue was 19. So he didn't make a mistake at all.

Yeah, off panel (an after-thought?). Sorta like "oops , that's right Karate Kid was dead pre-Crisis. "

But again, the notion of Johns's intent on when the Legion was supposed to be continued from was never revealed in print.

Just goes to show how mixing creator interviews with published work can be more confusing than what is actually published.

Taking away from the equation the idea that they were supposed to be "pre -Crisis" set forth by an "interview" or "internet rumor", you still have a fully functional team continuing from "Magic Wars".
And as a reader, one of the main "faux paus" to get over is the Karate Kid factor.
Was he brought back simply to die in "Countdown"? As a goofy cliff hanger for Batman to find disguised as Trident?
Whatever, if any long term idea Johns had for the character was never developed and most of his back story happened off panel or in an online message brd.
That's pretty weak. And certainly left a wide open gate for Levitz to just shrug it off and continue from his last run without so much a mention to something like, "the founders utilized the same life giving method from Daxam used on Lightining Lad years ago, on Karate Kid's charred body" etc.

Sounds pretty contrived to me.

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THis is how I have always understood the Legion's take on the 20th Century.

They are not interested in the minutia of the past, they are simply aware of "events" happening or allegedly happening.
Like we are aware of the "Legends" of certain events and people from thousands of years ago but have no real way of knowing what actually occured or what really motivated William Wallace or King Aurthur, etc.
The main problem is when we want to think that the "present" comic stories HAVE to map out literally to the 30th Century.
Its illogical to think so.
From a broader sense, the notion that the Legion was visiting a manufactured past is more useful and leaves the canvas of the present DCU future ( pre or post Crisis/Flashpoint/whatever) more open.
Especially in a present (now) where the future is fluid and the idea of alternate realities has found it's way to the common lexicon.
It seems that in the 30th Century they are aware of their ever changing historical knowledge.
Which is just as true in real life as in the comics.

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The Legion is going to be one of the least rebooted of DC's series. So I created a separate section for new-DCU connections, but I didn't get rid of anything else.

It's true that things that don't fall under "other DC Universe connections" may still change (if only because even many of the ones that aren't about DC universe connections still appeared in other DC universe books). I may have to say things like "resolved differently in old DCU and new DCU" or "resolved in old DCU, but this may no longer apply because..."

If anyone has better suggestions for how to handle it, feel free to speak up. I don't, however, think that a completely new thread is a good idea, because a lot of the items will be the same in old and new DCU. Maybe a separate section for "this inconsistency comes from another DCU title and so may not necessarily apply any more". Or maybe I can just use a different color for items that are probably not part of new DCU continuity. One problm with this is that if post-Crisis is any precedent, DC will do a *lot* of not talking about things and leaving people hanging for years.

While we're at it, was the panel with XS from Adventure #1 ever used as part of Flashpoint? Geoff Johns worked on Flashpoint, and XS was in it, so it is possible.

Nobody knows the answer to that XS question? Come on....

Another question for the fan historians: I need to know all the times that Tyroc's home Marzal is referred to as a planet in V6. Does anyone have the references?

Added Jim Lee's statement that the purple hooded woman is a new character (and thus not Glorith).

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Different circumstances. In GDS he created more lead in the atmosphere to poison (slightly) the unprotected Daxamites. In the recent issue, the Daxamite has the Anti-lead serum and it's too complex/minute for Jan to manipulate while in his bloodstream.

no it was never used

Added Secret Origin #2 where "Brainiac" is considered an honorable title, even though it was considered shameful in Adventure #9. This restores continuity from Levitz's previous run and is an un-retconning, not a retconning.

Seems in general that Levitz is depowering the Legionnaires, especially Element Lad. Didn't he have to touch something to transmute it in the 3Boot? I like that limitation. Note sure I like "oh, it's too complicated for me." Wonder if that is being done to differentiate Element Lad from Chemical Kid? Could Chem Kid alter the structure of a complex organic molecule? Could the two of them do it together? Or are CK's powers always about reactions? If so, he could speed up enzymatic breakdown of the antilead syrum, I suppose?

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In my long history of message board posting across many, many forums; when a post starts with -

"Not wanting to pick a fight"

or anything similiar (eg, "not trolling or anything but,") that is exactly the intent of the post.