Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes DC Universe Legacies #6

Ok, with all the hoopla surrounding LSH #6 noone has commented on Legacies #6. I picked this up more so for the Legion presence than anything else.
I have to tell you though that the Wein/Giffen back-up story was, well, perplexing to say the least! We see not just the classic story about the founders showing up in a time bubble to meet with Clark, but also other Legions (including the threeboot Legion's Supergirl and Light Lass) from different continuities and timelines show up at the same time. All these Legions tell or warn Clark about coming with them to the future to fulfill his destiny of becoming Superman or tell him not to come to the future for his own safety (Xenophobe Earth), or something to that effect. Another version even needs his help against Roxxas!

I wonder what this story is meant to do. It certainly seems like an ambitious undertaking. Maybe it's the start of a bigger story that's meant to fix all the plot holes that Lo3W dredged up? Why now though when things seemed to have levelled off a bit with the new Levitz series doing well, and another companion to the Legion in the form of Adventure Comics? What's the point of going back and "fixing" something unless it's meant to right some continuity wrongs?

I can't wait to see how it all plays out though. It continues with something entitled "The Time Pool" (next ish?).

On another note Giffen's art was, how do I put this tenderly,... not my cup of tea.
Oh how I yern for the Great Darkness Saga Giffen!

I know, I KNOW .... it's just MY opinion.

This story was Giffen's way of ridiculing DC for all their reboots & tweaks & zero hours & re-reboots and how it messed with the Legion over the years.
So instead of the classic Supes meets the Legion origin, it's now cluttered with countless numbers of time bubbles with countless versions of the Legion, giving both Kal-El and the readers a terrible migraine!!
I loved it!

Sounds different. I haven't got the chance to read it yet since the local store didn't get it in. Looking forward to it.

Len Wien gets credit as writer. I wonder how much of the plot was his and how much was Giffen's.

Reposted from the Gym'll thread:

I thought the back-up was terrible as well. Mostly because this series has for the most part been a showcase for various parts of the DCU. So when it's Legion's turn they get treated like a joke, highlighting all the things that keep people away from the Legion (Crazy continuity, no consistency, etc.). This story did the legion no favours and was a huge letdown (even worse, it wasn't funny).

I agree rouge, if this story had been published in a book meant to be out-of-contuinuity and funny (like Bizarro World) then this may have been OK. But the convoluted bunch of dumb and obnoxious characters portrayed in this story did nothing to promote the Legion or its current on-going series. Just the opposite.

The aim may have been to ridicule DC, lil'rhino but what he actually did was ridicule the Legion.

I posted in the DCU Legacies thread (in the Dr. Gym'll forum) about this as well. Terribe story. Absolutely awful. There really isn't much more than that to say.

WoW! Was it really that bad?

Yes. You want to hear the plot? Here's the plot: A bunch of Legionnaires from various points in Legion history all arrive in Smallville in their time bubbles at the same time, and instead of getting their various messages to Superboy/young Clark Kent, they end up squabbling with each other until Clark tells them to shut up and go home. The end.

Oh, and the art was bad, too.

All from different points in the same history.... or from the differrent versions of the Legion (like: original, post CoIE, 5YL, post ZeroHour, Threboot, current)?

I guess one could see this first part as a mockery of the whole jumbled up Legion reboot/continuity thing, but my fondest hope is that this isn't what it actually becomes. This series is entitled "Legacies" after all so it must be meant to generalize the Legion mythos in a serious, respectful way as a whole. At least, I hope that's what it will do in the end!
I guess we'll have to wait until next month to see what the second part of this tale has in store.
I have to assume though that Wein, Giffen et al wouldn't try and deliberately hurt the Legion franchise with this mock ribbing. What good would that do, seriously?

Iam Legion:

Mostly from the current post-Infinite Crisis history, but at least one from the Threeboot.

What no one's gonna talk about Supergirl in the last costume she had Pre-Crisis? and wondering who she is? or which Kara she is.

Sorry future king,

The next issue's back-up deals with the Atom, Chronos and the Time Pool, with the Atom ending up in Camelot (so we'll see Shining Knight and the Demon I assume). There are no more Legion appearances mentioned for the series so far. What we saw in #6 is all we'll get.

I'm not an AR collector, but I pick up most appearances of the Legion. This one I perused and put back. It just seemed goofy and not worth 4 bucks.

I'm glad someone liked it - I thought it was terrible. I find it ironic that Mr. Giffen thought it appropriate to ridicule all the reboots, when it was his 5YL version that drove the Legion cruiser into the ditch and consequently forced reboots from its ashes. It's been 15+ years since his Legion experiment and the dust from that nuke cloud hasn't settled yet...

Although the story has all the hallmarks of a Keith Giffen 'comedy' story, the writing credits go to Len Wien and the editor was Mike Carlin. How did these two DC professionals end up allowing this nonesense to be published?

I wonder what Paul Levitz thinks as this story will really have helped the sales of his Legion books.

Current theories
1) She's from the new Earth One as part of the as yet unexplored infinite multiverse set up by Morrison in Final Crisis. (more than 52 Supermen)
2) She's current Kara from the future that was pulled into the Crisis just like Legion were leaving Crisis as her final fate. (Which is hella nifty)

I think it's theory #2, but theory #1 would be good also.

Just so you guys realize this (and you might already) but Legacies has been filled with all kinds of errors continuity-wise that make it clearly not cannon. They've got the Losers living into the 70's, Booster helping out in Crisis and many other things.

So it stands on its own as its own thing, but it certainly isn't 'in continuity'.

Actually, No, I didn't know that. I thought this was supposed to be the lastest 'definitive' history of the DCU. So, is it more of a 'just because we can' then? Sort of like 'Countdown to Final Crisis' continuity wise?

This could be Post Infinite Crisis Continuity.

I certainly hope there is more to it than just an in-house joke about the Legion continuity.

My more pressing fear is that we'll see more of this "quality" of artwork from Giffen when the LSH Annual comes out in a couple of months.
Can you imagine a whole book looking like that?

No disrespect for the folks out there that enjoy this type of art though.

Ok, I finnally got to read this story. I am sure that I will get jumped on for this, but.... It was HORRIBLE. AWFUL. Insulting to the LSH and to the fans. The art (and I really hate to use the term for this work) was grating on the eyes and the nerves. The story not only was uninteresting dreck, but also an obvious insult aimed not at the number of reboots, but at the readers that have had so many different versions thrown at us that we can nolonger even agree amoungst ourselves as to what the Legion is and should be. Clark's lines 'means something to all of you....as soon as you all can agree on what that something is, get back to me' is just about the snottiest treatment of the readers I have seen. Is Len Wien even a real writer? I ask because I don't keep up with writer or artists names much, but this story seems a lot like the use of Superboy Prime to ridicule the fans that complained about changes to the Legion. Could it be another writer using a suedonym?

^ "Is Len Wein a real writer?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Wein

He's pretty much a comics legend.