Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! The Legion is Dead, Long Live the Legion: Article at Newsarama

Newsarama has an interview with Waid and Kitson about the relaunch, just posted a few hours ago.

I haven't read it yet so don't have much else to add but this direct link:

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13487

A more viewable link can be found here:

http://newsarama.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=13487

First impressions.

So they are going back to Legion of Super-Heroes as the title. And doesn't one-shot special usually refer to just one issue? I thought we were getting a two issue crossover.

And Teen Titans with flight rings. Why not just give them out with Cracker Jacks or in a Happy Meal.

Levitz has had a hand in the revamp process. Maybe he cares after all.

Grr. Arrgh.

So are they there are not?

So, no more teenagers? Or is Waid thinking of a Logan's Run kind of future?

Crap.

I read it as they're still teeagers, just not officially sanctioned by the U.P.

Hmmm... looks like we've got 2 threads on the subject. In case one of them dies a lonely death here's what I posted on the other one...

"FINALLY!

So the facts are revealed at last and the rumours have all been true - Mark Waid and Barry Kitson are re-re-booting the Legion!

I... don't know what to think about this. I must admit I'm quite surprised - I really didn't think they'd restart the Legion AGAIN and so soon (relatively) after the last re-boot too!

This is a very risky move by DC IMO. Didn't the first re-launch do enough to alienate long-time Legion readers? Are they now trying to piss off the re-boot fans too?

As for myself, I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I LOVED the re-boot Legion. Sure there were some bad periods (PMS and practically all of DnA since issue #2 of the current series) but nothing about this universe was broken beyond repair and any good writer could have picked up the ball and carried the team to new heights. But on the other hand I do really love Kitson and Waid's work (for the most part) and some of the ideas they're cooking up sound really interesting!

I'll definitely give the first few issues a look to see what they've got planned.

... and I'm trying not too let myself get too excited about it because I'm sure fate still has a cruel blow in store for me, but one thing the re-re-boot might hopefully give us is... THE RETURN OF GIM ALLON!!! WOO-HOO!!! (*dancing in giddy glee*)

In fact, someone should probably start a thread of the things they want to see in the re-re-boot. I'll get the ball rolling :

* GIM ALLON ALIVE!
* SHRINKING VIOLET WITHOUT THE GROWTH POWER!
* SENSOR AS THE HUMAN PRINCESS PROJECTRA!
* NO LEGION DEATHS!
* NO SUPERBOY!
... etc."

Adding to your comments LL -

* warning bells went off for me too when I read that thing about the Titans getting flight rings. I DO NOT want to see any Teen Titans (except maybe Superboy) as honorary Legionnaires!

* loving the title change! Legion of Super-Heroes is so much more classic sounding. Thank God it wasn't (ugh!) LSH!

* very excited to see who makes the membership cut! No surprise to see boring old Legion staple Brainiac 5 there (and I'm sure his other over-exposed almuni - Ultra Boy, Apparition, Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, M'Onel, Spark and Chameleon will be there too) but I hope some of the less showy, less-spotlighted Legionnaires make the cut too.

Here's a link to the other topic, started by Mr. Kayak, which I missed this morning.

http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001429;p=1#000004

I agree completely. There's no excuse for yet another Legion reboot. I do like the idea of the stories being character-driven. I'm hoping they more or less pick up where they left off and just change the focus of the stories. I don't want the reboot to mean unkilling anybody already dead though, much as I miss Gim. Let's move forward and not backward please.

I hope they relegate Gear to support staff.

I hope they ditch Kid Q and Kinetix.

I hope they use the older Titans in the crossover: Tempest, Nightwing, Flash, etc.

I hope they bring back Dirk, Tenzil and Andromeda (okay, I'd rather have Supergirl, but I don't see it happening.)

Why, damn it, why?

Even though it's not stated explicitly, it sounds like it's going to be another reboot rather than a change in status quo, but I'm not really sure, which is frustrating (or did I miss something?).

From what Waid said about it being a "movement" rather than a "team" and that no government would trust a bunch of kids to safeguard the universe lead me to think that these teens are going to be "rebels" the way hippies were a rebellious counterculture that had a new worldview that young people were getting behind in hopes of bettering the world (not that the Legion will be "hippies" per se, but maybe the adults of the 31st century might see them as modern day versions?).

If this is a reboot, I envision a slow rebuilding, almost along the lines of "Supreme Power" (but not *that* slow), where the various Legionnaires are seen as motivators of their own individual stories who eventually come together.


Waid: "But every story, every single story - whether it’s the “A” plot, the “B” subplot, or the “C” sub-subplot--must always be about one or more Legionnaires and how what’s happening for the next 30 or 60 or 90 pages is affecting them."

That's good news. It's the biggest gripe i've had with DnA the last few storyarcs. Not only good to hear that there'll be a bigger concentration on characterization, but that there will be a "B" subplot and "C" sub-subplot! (is that a hint we'll be seeing the "Subs" again??)

There are some things the get excited about, some things to be apprehensive about, but ultimately it'll depend on how they handle the characters, imo (and if they put WILDFIRE in the lineup!) and we won't know that until the book hits the stands. There wasn't anything that Waid or Kitson said that I immeditately object to. I like the idea of them redesigning the 31st century -- that could be cool.

I know I'm going to kick myself for this, but I guess it has to be done. Note this is meant as my opinion so take with a grain or a bushel of salt.

Why oh why do many of us fans have to b***h about a good thing? We have the Legion back and we whine over vague little details. Would it hurt the fandom to at least show a little optimism?

I'd say the whole premise of the series and the basis of the characters is slightly more than "vague little details"

I DON'T think this is a good thing.

That was pretty vague, really - I don't have much idea how a "movement" will function as opposed to a group. We don't even know who will really be on the team, or in the movement, or whatever. Just that there will be character focus (good!), 30 pages (good - but probably a price hike!), it will be set in the future and there will be bad guys. Brainiac 5 will be around, but what will he be like? Maybe he will be a she! Or a sentient cloud!

I'm glad & relieved the series is continuing. At least the anticipation and speculation should be fun!

Touche, I'll admit I made a mistake in proclaiming that.

I have one question: Will you pick up the book?

Honestly? Probably not. I don't want to reward them for screwing everything over.

I agree with SorM and Invisible Bainiac: WHY?? Why another complete-rebbot? I agree the Legion could use a revamp to freshen the concept up a little, but another frickin reboot?? This is most likely the end of the Legion.
I just don't think they can survive another start from scratch, even if its good.
I really hope I'm wrong. If Waid's relaunch is a smashing success I'll be the first to joyfully put my foot in my mouth.

And if anyone can pull it off its Waid. He has a lot on his shoulders this time. Cause if this flops, the legion will drift away to comic book limbo.

So the Legion is now going to be the Manson Family of Space except instead of killing people they save them?

We all know what happened when L.E.G.I.O.N. became R.E.B.E.L.S.

This is obviously a throw back to the glory days of Legion on the Run!

I would hate to see the menace so bad that the LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES will need the added help of... ummm... Cyborg and Kid Flash

Of course, that's Cyborg and Kid Flash, plus flight rings...

Hope someone remembers that Bart should still have the flight ring Brainy gave him... right???

I'm sure it was telepathic earplugs, not a flight ring.

Aah, THAT's it... "Give me a think sometime..."

It was Kon who had a flight ring, and Cos took it back after Team 20 caught him giving to his girl Roxie in his title...

Do they actually say that this is a true reboot anywhere in that interview? The feeling I got is that they are just using the current continuity in a new title; a different approach to many things, I assume, but the current continuity nevertheless. I guess I think that because of Kon-el's heavy involvement in the Titans storyline, it fits with current continuity, and it really would mean bending over backwards in any true reboot.

So, are they trimming membership? Did I understand that correctly? They do speak about only ca. 20 Legionnaires... We know Brainy is in. Who else?

Actually, I'm excited about this, this "movement" idea sounds fun. A focus on characterization also sounds very, very good. And I love the fact that Levitz was directly involved in the planning, I'm sure he's had some ideas over the years since he hasn't been writing that he could pass over to the new writer... Regarding Kitson's art, I really liked him in L.E.G.I.O.N. (I don't think I have read anything more recent by him).

All in all, I think I am, at least for the moment, a happy camper.

Juan