Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! The Legion is Dead, Long Live the Legion: Article at Newsarama

At the least, I'm looking forward to a Brainy/Bart Allen reunion. That should be fun (if there'll be any room for fun).

I don't really mind if the Titans get honorary flight rings... as long as it's a finite number. Depending on how it's done and how the crossover ends.

30 pages of story? Now, that's exciting. Focus on characterization? Great. Movement, not team? I don't know what that means. I'll bet Winema discredits the team, somehow.

I can't tell from this article whether we're about to get a full-fledged reboot, or what. It wouldn't make sense for the relaunch to begin with one set of characters crossing over with the Titans and a new set of heroes forming the rechristened LEGION OF SUPER HEROES, would it?

There are vague mentions of goings-on in the greater DCU... Identity crisis? A new Grant Morrison 'meta-event'? Something else else's coming up.

Perhaps the Legion will be the forerunner of widespread change occuring throughout the DCU, for once-- instead of the red-headed stepchild getting the back of the hand.

It's kind of exciting, not knowing exactly what's ahead. Nov/Dec are a *long* way away, aren't they?

This is going to subject eGAD's storyline to a *microscopic* (or would that be macroscopic?) amount of scrutiny, isn't it? Her hints about her story dovetailing into WAK's (or BAM's) tenure are provocative, aren't they?

Maybe I'm just having an optimistic morning, but I'm all *tingly* about this. For no good reason, I have a good feeling.

I wonder if Waid, Kitson and Wacker are lurking here? Would comments addressed to them be better posted here, or at the DC boards? Both?

Wasn't there supposed to be some new part of the DC website functioning as and online letters page? Did that just mean the message boards as they currently exist? What a come-on, if so.

Anyway, I'm propitiating the Luck Lords for some favorable vibes aimed at BAM (or WAK?) and at all of us tremulous fans.

Hey, Mark and Barry...

... Good Luck and Congratulations!

Don't screw it up.

And bring back Element Lad.

Please?

TN

We can always call 'em BnM... if this thing ends up going over like a fart in church...!

* Potential to see many characters who are long overdue to be introduced in the reboot: Blok, Tellus, Quislet, Dawnstar, Sun Boy, an old enough Polar Boy, etc...

* Mon-El (as opposed to whatever he's called today): Easy to justify if some of the characters are motivated by inspiration in the past...although a Daxamite, he took on a name inspired by his Kryptonian hero. It's not unreasonable that he'd figure out Supes real name...he had a lot of time to kill while in whatever zone he was in.

* Leland McCauley - I like the fact that he was a perpetual thorn in the Legionnaires side after the re-boot...a re-reboot may bring him back to that.

* Old School Fatal 5: No offense to the re-booted 5, but they just weren't filling the shoes. Now we can bring back a dangerous Validus, an Emerald Empress with an eye (that does not talk...or if it does somehow talk (hopefully only to the Empress...very occassional voices in the head sort of thing)) it doesn't act like some moping co-dependant "eye this / eye that" whining sphere of psychological problems. Perhaps a Persuader with his post 5YG attitude "Since you didn't step aside like I asked, don't take it personally when I ram my atomic axe down your throat, it's just business." Mano (one who actually wants to be part of the Fatal 5).

* Timberwolf never has to be compelled to say "Think fast!" again.

* Rond Vidar as a Green Lantern: Considering how important he was in the pre-boot Legion, I think this time around they can turn a blind eye to the "No powers derived from objects" rule. Also, having a GL on the team might be good for bringing the AR GL types onboard the title.

* Letters page: Heh..a man can dream can't he?

I've personally invited both Mark and Barry to join up. I only ever heard back from Barry who was very busy at the time but said he may stop by. Never heard anything from Mark.

As for Mr. Editor Wacker, I know that he, or someone on his staff, reads this board. Maybe he'll finally uncloak and reveal himself.

Wacker has a Mole?

Who knew???

MOLE WACKER! MOLE WACKER! woohoohoohoo! <Much Daffy Duck-type dancing ensues>

Well, I'm not freaked out by this news. In fact, I think it seems pretty exciting.

Imra better watch herself. The last psychic involved in a Titans crossover ended up with a snapped neck. But it really helped the story along

Um...who said anything about a reboot?

There doesn't seem to be anything close to a reboot coming, just a bit of a change in direction. The article was pretty vague, and said nothing about a change in continuity or starting over again.

I'd offer my opinions on the subject...but there's hardly anything in the article about what the Legion is going to be like. I'm just glad that there will be a book, that Mark Waid has a love for the characters, and now I'll just wait for the next article to come out that may actually give us details.

I do like the idea of 30 page issues though

Pov, I can always count on you to voice the thoughts I don't dare. Its almost as if you were the little voice saying to me, as I wrote that, Mole Wacker!

[Mystery Lad]
{[...] And bring back Element Lad. Please?}

Don't worry. He\'ll be back . Somehow.

As for the Big News itself, I haven't untangled in my mind what Re-Launch, Restart, and Reboot signify, and which one this Waid-Kitson era is going to end up to be.

When (not if, see link immediately above) some of the missing pre-boot characters return, I'll be happy. If the storyline AND art are compelling, hell yes, I'll buy it.

For now, though, we just don't know enough details. Except that we can confidently count upon the eternal persistence of the craftiest people in this and every galaxy: lawyers. Especially trademark lawyers.

Well, I first read the news early this morning but I've been feeling too emotional to post anything about it.

I'm sad, mainly because I'm uncertain I'll still be on board this December, especially if the core team and its founders don't remain substantially intact. I'm not against change, but I don't believe the LSH is in need of a "factor 6" change. Hell, I'm still recovering from the changes wrought by Legion Lost. This is a little too much for me to digest rught now.

Five new LSH Archives books are waiting for me at the post office. If I can't take comfort in the future, at least I still have the past.

The basic concept of the LSH will never die as long as DC still makes super-hero comics, because it has too much potential. Waid has expressed a love for the concept and so I doubt he will change things so drastically that it will no longer be the Legion. It might be a hypertimed Legion with preboot elements or something, but it'll still be a team of 25-ish kids from different planets with varying powers, set in the future. I'm sure of this.

Now, is Barry Kitson fast enough to draw 30 pages a month without needing fill-ins? Or maybe is that rumored Lightle "Legion Outpost" project a regular backup? With 30 pages, the title could have a dedicated 8-page backup. I'd like that.

The math certainly is intriguing...as is the possibility.

Hmmm...I think you guys are reacting too much to this. Remember what disdain we've had for DnA's lack of characterization and these pointless multi-issue stories being drug out far too long? I see this as TPTB listening to our concerns and trying to rectify them. I'm pretty confident that Waid and Kitson will deliver us a Legion to be proud of and a joy to read.

My only concern is for Sno Cone! Will mechana still be on the book?!? (Well, also I'll really miss Chris and Chip! They made some pretty comics!)

Waid hit the nail directly on the head for me when he said:

""Something else else unleashed on the planet Omicron VII has reversed the Expanding Universe!' and not enough on how that idea directly involves one - or several - of our heroes and sharpens our focus on him - or them. I don't give a rat's ass about the Contracting Universe unless dealing with it creates some sort of drama within a Legionnaire or within the team."

This is exactly what has been wrong with DnA since the first (maybe second) arc of the current series. It seems that Waid is taking a direct shot at "Foundations" here. The Legion faced the beggest threat ever in any of its existences and I betcha anyone on this board would be hard pressed to actually tell you what that story was about, even though it was only four months ago.

The first year of the rebooted Legion ranks right up there IMO with the best of Legion runs. XS and Kinetix seemed to fit right in with the rest of the team. I never hear anyone complain about their inclusion the way I have with Monstress and Kid Quantum. Waid knows how to right characters. The very first reboot issue (Legion #0) ranks as one of my all time favorite issues - at first it was my most hated, because it was the first indication that the old Legion wasn't coming back - but time heals all wounds. The White Triangle is near the top of my favorite story arcs, despite the senseless slaughter of Apparition.

Guys, the Legion is in good hands. The characters are in good hands. things aren't going to be the same as they were before. But let's face it, it doesn't matter how many times the kid from OC reads it, this Legion was not going to make it. Despite all of the fancy new threats and beautiful art, there was no heart. Everything was just going through motions. Even at their best in Legion Lost, there was still something missing in the characters that we were reading. Something else else has to be done.

I don't think Waid is going to start everything over from scratch. Nor do I think he is going to tie hopelessly to Titans continuity. Waid obviously wants this to be HIS playground not shared with Geoff Johns. I think the Titans crossover can only help in terms of exposing the Legion to a potentially new audience.

The Legion is in good hands now. I am guardedly optimistic, but optimistic nonetheless.

Something else else else to think about - long shot probably, but Warner is always trying to match DC, at least on the surface, with what appears on television. Could the Legion/Titans crossover be related to a Legion appearance on the Teen Titans show?

WOW. this is exciting news! better than i had hoped for.
and i've been reading the LSH since the 70's. let's see...they are more of a youth movement than a super-team or government sponsored planetary defense. i love that, it goes back to the humble beginnings of the LSH as a super-hero club. Waid's talk of re-imagining the series for contemporary audiences makes me fear for the "boy-girl-lad" names. oh well, i guess they need to be retired along with the upside-down rocketship Headquarters. Are Saturn Girl and Cosmic Boy, Element Lad, the only one's left? Unless you count "Kid" as old-fashioned too...Karate Kid, Invisible Kid, Kid Quantum.

Waid and Kitson (hmm..WnK...WinK?...WanK?) say clearly that there are 20+ members, super-powered, character-driven (AMEN!!), but except for Brainy the roster is not decided. I hope alot more ethnicities represented as well as aliens! Also, on a scale from 1-10 (1 being status quo and 10 being radically different), Kitson's re-imaging of the style of the future is a SIX! All of this means reboot to me. My guess is the time anomaly of Superboy will cause ripples of change to the 31st century at the end of the Titans crossover. i'm interested to see Kitson's sketches. I browsed thru EMPIRE and i wasn't that impressed. it looked very much like Moy's work in my opinion. All pretty detail, but little lighting or mood, and few memorable images.

If they don't use the CLASSIC characters, it'll be a challenge to make us care. they could end up with an army of forgettable heroes like L.E.G.I.O.N. or OmegaMen. I trust Waid though. KINGDOM COME anyone? and they consulted with and have Paul Levitz's blessing. I can't wait to see it all!!! A Legion for the 21st Century! or is it the 31st?

Darkstars: didn't last.
GL Corps: didn't last.
L.E.G.I.O.N.: didn't last.

Legion of Super Heroes lasted. Why? Could it be because they DID trust a bunch of teenagers to protect the Universe? As young readers most of us has someone we could identify with as opposed to look up to (Superman, Wonder Women...).

If it's a different book they want to write, why not take a shot as writing a new book instead of obsconding with a franchise?

Didn't like Waid's last reboot and so far am not seeing any reason to look forward to the new one.

Hee hee!

It's the Fox! The Fox is a mole!!!

...stop looking at me like that, guys...

For all those sentients who were wondering how all those dangling plotlines were going to be addressed, I think it's safe to say they will all just go away ...

Yeah. And someone posted on the Newsarama board how good DnA was about wrapping up AlMOST ALL of their plot lines. I was so flabbergasted I couldn't even think how to start to set the poor guy straight.

Can I swear in these boards. If so, Fucky Mc Fuck with a side dish of SHIT!!

Why, oh, why must Geoff Johns be involved in everything these days? He's waaay overrated.

Also, while I like Waid & Kitson just fine, why couldn't they have tried to get someone like, say, Grant Morrison? Despite Sanity or Madness' dislike for the guy's writing, I still believe he's the only mainstream writer that gets the concept and has the ability to really make the thirty-first century actually look like the future.

And if this is a reboot, it's a bad idea.

Why? Because I am a big legion fan that has SUFFERRED much due to decisions made by DC. I finally enjoy the Legion again in over 10 years and they decide to change it. That is why.