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As far as I'm concerned the simplest possibility for how Brainy knew about the break-in is that he figured it out himself:

a) he is, after all, supposed to be fairly smart
b) I wouldn't put it past him to have set up some kind of security/surveillance system for just this sort of occasion

Either way, I believe Invisible Kid when he says he didn't do it.

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For all those who complained that things were moving too slowly and that there wasn't enough action.....

I HOPE YOU'RE SATISFIED!

Sob! Nura! Wake up Nura honey!


Ooh that Lemnos! He makes me so angry, so, so, what was I saying? Oh well, must not have been very important.
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I thoroughly enjoyed this issue - loads of drama, twistsand turns, character moments and the best art so far! I also hope Nura will be okay, but as much as I adore her I also realise that keeping dead heroes dead is a necessary evil if we want the issue to have any value.


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You're right Harbinger, it was a great issue and had it all (except resolution.) Despite my little rant above, and hope that she is okay, I'll probably be more impressed if she is really dead. The story has a lot more of an emotional punch that way.

I was also really impressed with the twist on the something sounding humerous bit as well. I truly was expecting a snarky little line from B5 and when there was nothing funny about it, it was a real sick feeling. Coupled with the fact that I confused the somewhat spoilered approaching death happening in issue #11 not in issue #10, the hand in the rubble really surprised me. Shocked even.


Ooh that Lemnos! He makes me so angry, so, so, what was I saying? Oh well, must not have been very important.
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She's NOT DEAD. I have zero evidence or even a gut feeling. I'm just in denial. I really HATE character deaths in comics; it's a total waste.


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I don't think she's dead, either. Very injured, yes, but not dead.

What a wonderful issue! Thanks, Barry. And one more vote here for teasing...

I can't wait for Projectra to kick some butt (next issue?). And I think we're close to the debut of the fourth Legionnaire left on Earth, Shrinking Violet. I wonder what she'll get to do...

Can't wait for next issue.

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PS. Yes, "dormir" means "to sleep" in both French and Spanish.

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This issue really solidified Elysion's role as a major Legion villain, actually far more interesting than Lemnos at this point. I'm actually hoping now that they aren't setting him up for death, as he's one of the first really good Legion villains to be introduced in a long, long time.

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[b] And here is the cover to LSH #11....

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is that cham in the back or is it not worth speculating. also, did anyone else notice the coloring faux pas on page 8, first panel...star boy (i assume) is colored like brainy but brainy is in the same panel.

i loved it when saturn girl put the smack down on elyssion but...apparently she didn't. i thought the legion was finally going to get it together and stop being clumsy fools. [/b]
These coloring errors are really starting to bug me. First the Sun Boy/U Boy mix up last month. And now Star Boy/Brainy. It really makes it difficult to suspend disbelief and buy into these characters when these mistakes are made. It just throws me right out of the head space...oh yeah...this is a comic...nothing is real...it's all made up...Star Boy doesn't really exist.
Or maybe Brainy has some Cargg blood in him and can duplicate himself. Duo Dude anyone?


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#74143 09/29/05 11:32 AM
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I love the look of this book.
Each month Barry does some of the best work being done at DC. I'm eager to see the big push DC gives it when IC has settled.

Waid has done a great job with all of these kids, I can't really pick one I prefer. Sure, Cosmic Boy seems to be the most stable, but you have to appreciate UB's overconfidence, or Lyle's insecurities.

And manoman is Projectra gonna make a serious mess of somebody!


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I saw the Brainy doplegangers as well but I can understand how the error could have occured. In BW I would assume that both Thom and Querl would appear shaded, much darker that any of the other guys with the exception of Val perhaps and both have what amounts to buzz cuts. I can certainly see how the error could have happened.

Not that it shouldn't have been caught during the proofing process mind you (I assume there is one after colors are applied) but I can easily see this mistake being made.


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In this issue Jeckie reminded me of the preboot Jeckie during Magic Wars after Val had died. I wouldn't want to be in her sights right now. shake


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I love the look of this book.
Each month Barry does some of the best work being done at DC. I'm eager to see the big push DC gives it when IC has settled.

Waid has done a great job with all of these kids, I can't really pick one I prefer. Sure, Cosmic Boy seems to be the most stable, but you have to appreciate UB's overconfidence, or Lyle's insecurities.

And manoman is Projectra gonna make a serious mess of somebody!


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I saw the Brainy doplegangers as well but I can understand how the error could have occured. In BW I would assume that both Thom and Querl would appear shaded, much darker that any of the other guys with the exception of Val perhaps and both have what amounts to buzz cuts. I can certainly see how the error could have happened.

Not that it shouldn't have been caught during the proofing process mind you (I assume there is one after colors are applied) but I can easily see this mistake being made.
Yeah, I don't so much blame this on the colorist ( love Snocone) but on the editor. Sorry Mr. Wacker but shouldn't your duties included proofing the colors before the final print?

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i can see how coloring mistakes can get made, especially by a colorist removed from the drawing of characters but,....nobody thought, "oh wait didnt i already color brainy in this panel?" laugh

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In this issue Jeckie reminded me of the preboot Jeckie during Magic Wars after Val had died. I wouldn't want to be in her sights right now. shake
jeckie casually walking up to lemnos and snapping his kneck would be awesome!

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Wow. Talk about a slow buildup to a big pay-off. That was a great issue. Felt like a LEGION story, you know?

That said, if Dreamy is dead, I'm probably going to have to quit. It was bad enough back when she was made into an overweight tramp..and then rebooted into a ditz in the last Legion version. For one of the most popular members, she sure hasn't gotten much respect..until this reboot. She's been kicking butt, and has so far been the most interesting female Legionnaire. So hey, let's kill her!

Still great art and a great issue. But don't be dead Dreamy!

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I saw the Brainy doplegangers as well but I can understand how the error could have occured. In BW I would assume that both Thom and Querl would appear shaded, much darker that any of the other guys with the exception of Val perhaps and both have what amounts to buzz cuts. I can certainly see how the error could have happened.

Not that it shouldn't have been caught during the proofing process mind you (I assume there is one after colors are applied) but I can easily see this mistake being made.
Arrgghh! I hate making mistakes--so frustrating! The funny thing about this one is that I actually caught it myself (unless I did it more than once !?) and fixed it. I don't know what went wrong after that; either I forgot to update the file for DC or they didn't notice that I did. Who knows now. In everyone's defense, we are often working right down to the wire before the book goes to print. I can't speak for the staff at DC, but I know I usually don't sleep for a couple of days before deadline.

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I think Nura knew what was going to happen and when. That's why she sent Brainy to help Lyle, to put him out of harm's way.
That's the way I read that scene as well. But what bothers me is that, while she sends Brainy to safety, she doesn't seem to do anything for the half dozen or so legionnaires surrounding her. She probably does effectively save Lyle by sending Brainy to him, which is good, but the whole scene still bothers me. If she knew what was going to happen and was trying to change it, for example if she'd foreseen Brainy being killed but managed to prevent it by sacrificing herself, I'd feel a lot better about it. But the fact is she is basically killed by a falling building, and just because she knew that is was likely she would be killed and didn't try to avoid the danger doesn't strike me as more fatalistic than heroic.

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But remember in issue 2 EDE it was shown that Naltori totally buy into their predictions, who know, maybe she saw herself sending Brainy off to save Lyle.

Also, the 'say something humourous' (spelt correctly wink ) line left a sick feeling in my stomach too, at that point I did a double take and thought "uh oh!"

Even with my fave legionnaire apparently dying this is a five star issue.


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I don't think that Dream Girl is dead. When Jim Shooter killed Ferro Lad deaths were rare in comic books. Unfortunately I think it's become all too commonplace now. How many were killed in the previous series? Leviathan, Montress, Element Lad, Live Wire, (although some combination of the 2 of them came back) and (not sure about this) Kid Quantum I? Maybe that's part of the reason sales were down.

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Weren't there supposed to be 18 active "Core group" Legionnaires? I count 15 0n the last page and two more on the previous page. Who's missing? Brin? He's not a Legionnaire.

Only three Lagionnaires that we know are on Earth and none of them are bald.

Barry said something about Atom Girl/Violet making some kind of huge entrance so maybe that's our mystery figure in the reflection?

That thought doesn't include the possibility that the person holding Dreamy may not be a "Core Group" Legionnaire or may not even be a Legionnaire at all! That idea ocurred to me when Lyle's father showed up for an on-panel appearance. Maybe this could be the event that gets the SPs on the right side?

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Monstress-- She's talking to Element Lad and he goes psycho and deletes her
I thought Monstress' death was pretty heroic, myself. She was trying to talk down a deity with genocidal tendencies, and she just made a slip. She certainly knew the danger she was putting herself in by trying to feel Jan out.

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Harbinger, we must practise proper spelling and earn our place in the halls of valour.

Nura's death was heroic because she knew was coming and had a choice. She could have cheated doom by staying with B5. Spending all that time with him (off-panel too?), he might put doubts in her mind about the fixed nature of destiny. Just as B5 learned to accept her power.

She could have stayed with him the whole time, wrapped her arms around him and activated the shield. I think Nura wavered for a moment and she tried to do this in his lab but he stopped her. She then got her courage back and worked to help the kids. There was one final choice to make B5 save lyle and not her.

If B5 was given the choice who to save given recent events, I'm sure he chooses her.

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Does Dream Girl see different versions of the future- I mean more than one possible outcome?

She told Brainy she didn't see anything after he says something humourous (humerus.) Brainy said that when he examined Lyle, ergo she had to have seen him saving Lyle. If that were the case, then she couldn't see his death, so she wasn't trying to prevent it.

More likely, she couldn't see past her own demise, but didn't see her death. Odd she wouldn't see that coming...


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Wow. Talk about a slow buildup to a big pay-off. That was a great issue. Felt like a LEGION story, you know?

That said, if Dreamy is dead, I'm probably going to have to quit. It was bad enough back when she was made into an overweight tramp..and then rebooted into a ditz in the last Legion version. For one of the most popular members, she sure hasn't gotten much respect..until this reboot. She's been kicking butt, and has so far been the most interesting female Legionnaire. So hey, let's kill her!

Still great art and a great issue. But don't be dead Dreamy!
I find it ironic that a character created solely to be a straight guy's idea of the perfect "babe" should have among her loyal fans, a gay guy...

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