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Who is the woman in the bottom left corner of the Preboot Legion with the fancy wrist bands? Mental blank.) Nura. Of course it is. Thanks. I mean that's a cool poster but highlighting a character who hasn't appeared as part of a team in over 2 decades isn't really the big win for diversity they think it is, especially when I doubt there's any plans to bring him back...."we love Asians, here's one that was in like a dozen comics before some of you were born! Haha no he's long dead now go buy Batman"
Yikes DC I have a feeling that Tan asked to draw these specific characters. Since it's just a pin-up, there was no need for it to be current or anything, so they let him. It's not really DC editorial highlighting Dragonmage; it's Philip Tan. Good point and well said. Sometimes we can get a bit - I dunno - too cynical perhaps? - in our views and it is good to be reminded that we can often attribute decisions to good motives as well.
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I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them!
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I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them! THIS. Thank you, EDE, for saying what needed to be said.
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I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them! That would be so nice.
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I think the frustration is more with the fact that these characters aren't being featured anywhere at the moment than that they're spotlighted here. So... hurray for Tan drawing them, but give us the chance to actually read about them! I completely agree with that. I was ecstatic to see Tan use the classic design for Val, but then I have to remember the actual costume in current continuity is still a racist mess. Dragonmage hasn't been seen since a few brief cameos in PZH, and there's no signs of him returning. I had just wanted to point out that it wasn't DC digging up these characters going 'LOOK WE HAVE THESE DIVERSE CHARACTERS' (which they are absolutely guilty of, look at poor Simon Baz), it was Phillip Tan saying 'I love these characters and want to draw something for them.'
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Yeah, I totally agree with that, supragirl. The WB folks have been driving everything except Batman into the ground (and - to be fair, most of the animated properties), which makes the long timers like me very jaded, I think. (Note that we can't blame it on AT&T anymore  )
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I know correctly dealing with such important issues as race is hard, but I wish companies like DC could pull themselves together and give us much beloved characters back, but in a more culturally excepted way. (Depending on how the movie goes this may bite me in the butt, but in marvel Chan-Chi started out as a very racist Asian depiction, but the MCU?s portrayal of him so far looks like it will be much more culturally accurate portrayal of him.)
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Yeah about that... The Dreamer story is most definitely set within the Supergirl TV show universe, and she's not in the Aqualad/JLQ story at all. So while this IS a comic appearance, she hasn't debuted in the DCU yet.
Aside from Kara, Dreamer and Brainy in Nia's story, there's NO mention of any other Legionnaire in the entire anthology. No pin-ups and there's no character guide like the Festival of Heroes one-shot.
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Sad on both accounts, Still a good story though. The only thing that remotely give me pause was Brainiac 5's physical appearance seemed off from his TV look and more like the mainstream Brainiac missing the three discs on his forehead.
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thanks for the news, Elvar, Sarky!
I'm definitely interested in checking these out!
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Look not to be a spoilsport but how does DC have the gall to produce a one-shot for Pride Month and their only Legion story is just about someone connected to the Legion but not actually a Legionnaire. The Legion was queer back when you had to hide behind subtext, and the idea they don't get their own segment when DC's looking to make money off Pride is pretty much an insult. No Condo/Lyle, Briany/Lyle, Ayla/Vi, or even an attempt to do Shvaughn Erin as transgender properly this time.
They don't even have any DOOM PATROL stories, and they were like THE queerest team DC had next to the Legion.
I'm not dumping on Nicole Maines I'm happy she got to write a story about Dreamer, but I'm really tired of this performative nonsense. This is a step up from how DC usually acts, but was essentially the bare minimum.
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Sarky, I feel exactly the same.
After decades of having a few characters here and there that "might" be gay (wink, wink) this has the feeling of the company just saying, "Look, we're woke, too!"
As I've said about this release in the past, the fact that there's no REAL Legion tie in is kind of a disgrace considering the trail that title blazed with the relationships that you mentioned.
If they can have a non-continuity drawing to celebrate Asian Heritage, they can do a non-continuity story about the Legion.
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I feel it's disingenuous as hell for DC to say 'this is the introduction of CW's Dreamer in the DCU!' only for the story to obviously be CW canon.
Someone on Twitter pretty much told me to settle for DC's scraps when I said I was sick of the bare minimum, and I don't know... I guess I'm just a cynical lesbian who is tired.
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As a cynical nonbinary autochorissexual I say to hell with accepting the bare minimum.
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...settle for DC's scraps... Well, first, that totally sounds like the cesspool of Twitter. Second, and unfortunately, scraps and bare minimum appears to be the modus operandi for DC & WB as regards to the LSH.
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I feel it's disingenuous as hell for DC to say 'this is the introduction of CW's Dreamer in the DCU!' only for the story to obviously be CW canon.
Someone on Twitter pretty much told me to settle for DC's scraps when I said I was sick of the bare minimum, and I don't know... I guess I'm just a cynical lesbian who is tired. Not sure anything in the story makes it non canon to current DC since the last Supergirl series placed her in National City with Catco, the Danvers, DEO, Cat Grant ect. On the surface though it seems like it's placed in the TV universe.
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I am with all of you, it's about time DC started coming out (heh) and saying: yes, Lyle and Condo WERE/ARE in a gay male relationship. Yes, Vi and Ayla WERE/ARE in a lesbian relationship!
They do it with other characters, like Mikaal Tomas, Batwoman...
Look at how many out and proud Marvel heroes there are, too.
So why not the Legion, touted as an example of acceptance and diversity, as an example of a bright future we should all aspire to? I mean, that's what got me hooked into the Legion in the first place...
Closest we've had are Jed and Tel (if I remember right), who didn't actually make it onto the team...
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Brainiac 5 version of the Supergirl's TV show has a fleeting appearance in the horrifying DC Pride. Dreamer's character is an outrage on Dream Girl's legacy.
From UK with glamour.
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Spoilers if you haven't seen "THE(2021) Suicide Squad", but...
Arm Fall-Off Boy makes his big-screen debut, albeit sightly altered in name and form as "T.D.K" (The Detachable Kid).
He sports the upgrade of having both arms come off, and that he can control them telekinetically, but no doubt this character is inspired by Arm-Fall-Off Boy. I would certainly not believe any denial of it.
I think this is perhaps one of the few, if only, BIG SCREEN Legion-character references.
You know, it would be REALLY interesting to see a James Gunn version of the Legion. Just saying.
"I like stuff that doesn't exist."
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Guys, there's two things to discuss regarding Infinite Frontier #6 and connections with the Legion. First: Pariah shows an ability to create new Earths just for an individual. He sends Barry Allen to an Earth designated "Earth-Flash.1" where Barry's happy with a family consisting of his mom, Iris, Wally as Kid Flash, Jay Garrick, a younger Wallace West, and younger versions of the Tornado Twins. Second: Darkseid claims he's gathering forces for the sake of trying to tap into a very old and very dangerous power that's existed long before there was any Crisis events. He specifically means "The Great Darkness." And I now believe THIS might be what Bendis's Legion was alluding to when they kept mentioning it.
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I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it.
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I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it. I'm indifferent to it.
Still "Fickles" to my friends.
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I'm going for generally indifferent.
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I don't know whether to be curious about that, or to be frightened by it. I'm indifferent to it. I'm going for generally indifferent. Great minds think alike! 
Still "Fickles" to my friends.
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