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I loved it, definitely worlds beyond All-Star Bats. The bizzare sci-fi fantasy of it just blew me away. I think I can smell Grant Morrison's imagination enhancers all the way over here.
Some things should never change. Clark is bumbling, Lois never shuts up, and Lex is pure evil. While there's tons of "classic Superman" elements, the last page shows that this will be no rehash of the silver-age.
The only thing I didn't like was Lois' look. I though she looked too young.
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I'm looking forward to finally seeing this in color. Just two more days....
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All-Star Superman is the best Superman story in the last 20 years (Action Comics #775 comes close).
I couldn't have asked for a better Superman story! It rocked my world!
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I agree, best superman in a long time.
The internet seems pretty polarized on this one though.
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I would expect that to be the case.
Any critiques worth mentioning?
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Can't wait to check this out myself. Despite some people not liking him, Grant Morrison is one of the few creators in comics I'd buy close to anything for, i.e. his upcoming WildCats.
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Just read it and loved it. Reminded me totally of Chris Reeve's version, the same emotion. Still not sold on Quitely's art though. Never have been. But I'll definitely stick around as long as Morrison is on board writing.
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I thought it was groovalicious except for the annoyingly exaggerated builds of the characters. I mean... it's bad enough that Superman's Clark Kent disguise consists of a change of clothes and some glasses, but how can anyone not recognize him considering he's the only other person on the planet with the horribly unnatural build that Superman has?
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I liked it as well. The exaggerated science fiction was really good. I've never liked Superman and I gotta say this silver agey setting is the best for him. As for the rest of the DCU? No.  Superman should be exaggerated, bright, etc. Morrison has hit the mark and I enjoyed the art. Would Lois were a skirt that short??? doh!
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I liked it as well. Was a little put off by the cover. I just dont like it but thankfully the inside was what counted. I am in!
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What did ever think of the Willy Wonka-like philanthropist? I am intruigued by the guy, people on the 'net seemed to think that he's a little over the top.
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Originally posted by Tamper Lad:
What did ever think of the Willy Wonka-like philanthropist? I am intruigued by the guy, people on the 'net seemed to think that he's a little over the top. I thought he was interesting. And very much Willy Wonka-like. Seemed to have the same excitement for the different sciences he was working with as Wonka did for candy.
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I loved this comic! More!  And it wasn't until I was describing the Rainbow-coated Doctor to a friend that I realised his Wonka-ness... I mentioned the coat and cane and then went, well, he's just like- and my friend and I said it together: Willy Wonka. Hehehehehe. I wonder if the similarity was intentional?
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I thought the Willy Wonka guy was a bit over the top. Atleast his costume was...his actual dialogue I didn't have a prob with.
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Faboo! Faboo! Faboo!
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Count me in as loving the first issue too. I also rally loved the Quietly cover too. Morrison can do no wrong.
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At the risk of being unpopular...
<span style="font-size: 9px;">(I didn't like it.)</span>
But I am neither a Morrison nor a Superman fan, so I don't think that should shock anyone.
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I'm... not sold yet.
I expected a lot of silver-age-esque nonsense and insead got a lot of new-age mumbo-jumbo.
Yes, there's a difference.
Gonna give it at least 6 issues.
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I haven't liked Quitely's art in the past (some of his X-Men stuff made me cringe), but I thought it was OK here. I didn't quite grok the story (with the Wonka-esque scientist), but I'll give it a few more issues... which is more than I gave All-Star Batman and Robin.
Jim Lee's art just doesn't do anything for me these days. It's technically proficient, but boring... I dropped that title after the first issue.
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It's ok so far. I don't have a strong reaction one way or the other.
The best Superman story in the last ten years, imo (since we're all using superlatives here) was "Superman for All Seasons" - I was blown away by that one.
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Originally posted by MLLASH:
I'm... not sold yet.
I expected a lot of silver-age-esque nonsense and insead got a lot of new-age mumbo-jumbo.
Yes, there's a difference.
Gonna give it at least 6 issues. LOL, that's really funny. new-age mumbo-jumbo is this decades version of silver-age-esque nonsense! Thank the syncretism gods! 
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Loved it even more now that I've seen it in color.
I'm not the biggest Quitely fan, either, but somehow his style works here, especially on Clark Kent.
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What? No one read #2? Maybe not as good as issue #1 but I still loved it. I definitely want to see more of this Morrison version around.
And was that a Legion timebubble I spotted as well as a Sun-Eater? Seems like an AR book to me.
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What I like about the general feel is that I dn't mind if they do silver age sillines story. Maybe THAT is what is missing in comics these days. But it's a seperate universe and I say experiment.
The main DCU has it's own tone and it's all under one label. I think Morrisson has a good idea here. Gotta read #2. I admit when I saw the cover of Lois Lane in a costume I cringed...but what the heck?! It's all fun right?!
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I did read # 2.
I enjoyed it more than # 1, actually.
Next issue I am particlarly looking forward to.
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I loved #1.
This was better.
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Maybe I'll have to read it again when I'm not so exhausted. Not that it was bad by any means, one of the best books this month, better than LSH #13. But I didn't enjoy it as much as #1.
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Honestly, I was underwhelmed (as I am with All-Star Batman). There are some cute tidbit references here and there, but nothing in this story is drawing me in. I might give it one more issue.
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Issue three came out, my only comic purchase of the week. Fortunately it was fun enough to make up for the sad realities of a month with 5 Wednesdays.
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Biblical Characters, Lizard Men, Super Lois, Greek Demigods and Egyption Mythological beings all appear. Backdrops include Metropolis, the center of the earth, the surface of the Moon and Atlantis... All this trouble to get a date with Lois. </span></span>
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Could this series possibly get any better?
And am I the only one who wants to see an All-Star Time-Travelling Samson and Atlas spinoff series?
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I for one demand to see Samson's chronomobile and Atlas' perfumed love chariot.
But is the timestream ready for the Storied Swingin' Strongmen of Song?
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This might just be the best comic on the market right now. When I finish it, I actually feel really good.
Grant Morrison was born to write All-Star Superman.
The ending of #3 was very sweet, and I've really warmed up to Quitely's Lois.
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This issue only lacked Lois kicking serious butt as Superwoman.
Other than that, it was brilliant.
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And next issue is the Jimmy Olsen issue! I'm stoked!
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The only bad thing about this series is the waiting between issues... We need to clone Frank Quitely (about 20 times) and Grant Morrison (once or twice) so this can come out weekly. Do you hear me, National Science Foundation? Fulfil your mandate.
Seriously, I cant remember reading a comic with such a smile on my face the whole time.
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this is one of my recent favs.
hate morrison. like him here so far but, im sure theres a ledge somewhere. maybe i just need to think of his stories outside of continuity...or as not a big deal, just a self contained good story.
not usually a big fan of supes.
love quietly's art.
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This title is lots of fun. I loved Samson and Atlas. Loved the art. Only Morrison can take this old corny stories and make them fun again...unlike other writers who force the old stories down our throats...and they are just corny with an edge. *ahem*
The art was awesome.
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Issue #3 was a blast - Samson and Atlas as fellow 'Super-Men' was inspired. The dialogue was perfect - I loved Lois' tired acceptance of her diminishing powers. This is a good comic. 
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No comments yet on #4? I thought it was pretty groovy, if not *quite* as excellent as the previous issue. But it definitely captured the feel of a classic Jimmy Olsen story!
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I won't get my copy until July 1. But I'll be ready as I've been reading my Superman Family Showcase.
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#4 definitely wasn't as good as the previous 3 issues but there were still enough crazy Morrison seeds and quality Quitely art in it to make it enjoyable.
All Star Superman is probably my surprise #1 comic at the moment! Before Seven Soldiers I thought Grant Morrison was THE most overrated writer on the planet, but everything he's done since then has been gold. Not just gold. Platinum!
I wish this series came out weekly! And I can't wait to see what fun elements from the Superman mythos he incorporates next!
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Revisiting the question of how Lucy sticks with the fashion challenged Jimmy? Add Bits of modern Superman continuity re-imagined into a silvery-age context. What's not to like?
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The Lucy-Jimmy scenes were the best part of the story. Something else else just didn't quite do it for me about the rest of it, but it's hard to put my finger on exactly what. Of course, by "didn't quite do it for me" I mean it wasn't as awe-inspiring as the previous issues. It's still one of the best comics I've read this month.
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It was Jimmy's hair....what was up with that godawaful haircut?
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Loved it loved it loved it. Doomsday Olsen - more P.R.O.J.E.C.T. babble - a very cool future-retro Jimmy - and so many little gems. I think this may be my favourite title.
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I thought it was great.
I'm not sure what it means that I had to explain to several people at my comic shop that Morrison hadn't up and made Olsen transgendered.
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"...and then the inimitable Lex Luthor opened up the floor and shook hands with a baboon in a Superman suit..."
This series continues to be incredible!
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Lex Luthor is the smartest man on Earth, except for the one...
But you can tell that Clark was at the very limit of his guile to stay that one step ahead of him.
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any other supergirl fans notice "Nasty" at the end as the old supergirl foe and Luthor's neice? are we getting an all-star supergirl guest-star issue? can the LSH be far behind???
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I didn't realise Nasty was a pre-established character. Where/when did she first appear?
P.S. Still loving All Star Superman! As EDE says - it is incredible! Absolute comic goodness in every issue!
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Thanks GN. What a great site!
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This book is amazing. Distilled on every page is the stuff that makes Superman and his supporting cast fun. It's just an amazing accomplishment, and a welcome alternative to big event storytelling.
...but you don't have a moment where you're sitting there staring at a table full of twenty-five characters with little name signs that say, "Hi, my superpower is confusing you!"
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Looks like Bizarro for ASSM #7! !
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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Looks like Bizarro for ASSM #7! !Which now won't be out until Feb. 14, 2007.
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I doubt that it makes that date. ASSM #6 isn't due out until early January.
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Ah, this breaks my heart to hear. 
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Planetary and Rising Stars killed it for me. Both good books, but the interminable wait was too much for me. I'm not sticking around for books like ASSM or ASB&RTBW.
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Even though I just ranted and raved about how I wasn't putting up with delayed books anymore after the bitter disappointments that were the Seven Soldiers finale and the last 10 or so Planetary issues (which took about 4 years to come out)... I <whisper> have no intention of dropping this book. Its just too damn good! The fact that every issue is a self-contained story is a big help too! Waiting months between issues is much more palatable when there's nothing important you need to be remembering.
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This is possibly one of my favorite books out there right now. It's one of the few titles I pick up and actually have a feeling of satisfation when I'm done. I don't think I've read and actual Superman comic in decades prior to this (and that goes double for that deplorable Death of Superman fiasco). But Morrison and Quitely are one of my favorite teams. Hell, I'd even read Teen Titans if they were doing it.
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Issue six is out but I won't get my copy for another couple of weeks. Anyone pick it up yet? Is this supposed to be our Legion issue?
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It's not a Legion ish, but it does feature some heroes from the future. No spoilers from me, but this was the best issue yet. Morrison remains my favorite writer out there right now.
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It is a Superboy/Young Superman issue. It also contained elements of the DC One Million Superman. I enjoyed it very much.
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I guess I wasn't clear. I know the Legion doesn't make an appearance as such but was this intended to be Morrison's idea of the Legion? Did we get shortchanged?
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I don't think anyone would think "Legion" from this issue. There is a <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">"Supermen descendants who fix problems with time" Squad</span></span>
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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Mostly it was a "Superman getting a chance to say goodbye to Jonathon Kent before he dies" issue. With time travel and a few Superman descendants to add to the story.</span></span>
It was a homage to every other non-Legion Silver Age Superman tale. I highly doubt that this is the Legion All Star Superman story.
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That makes me feel better. All I was hearing was it was three teens from the future, chasing a villain and giving Kent an insight to his life as Superman. Sort of sounds like the New Kids in Town episode of the animated Superman.
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Nah. Not even close. More in the vein of this - ![[Linked Image]](http://www.legionworld.net/images/checklist/JimmyOlsenV1N63.jpg)
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Another fantastic issue.
This is still one of the best books out there now.
And Krypto rocks.
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Krypto's in it!? Damn. Do you know when it comes out in trade?
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The hard cover comes out in April . Amazon is taking pre-orders at a 32% discount.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I've just begun reading four weeks of comics. I can already tell you what will win out of all four:
All-Star Superman #6. Perhaps the best Superman story I've ever read. Definately one of the best comic books I read in years. I admit it: I teared up. It's official: Morrison is probably my favorite comic book writer (Darwyn Cooke is in a category of his own). This issue was so good that I'll probably reread it many, many times in the future. I'm proud to be a Superman fan right now.
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Jillikers! I can't wait to pick this up!
You know... I'm almost to the point of no longer reading any superhero comics other than All-Star Superman and The Spirit, as everything else just pales in comparison to these two!
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You're going to be blown away Eryk. It *is* that good.
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I'll have to try and get it this week. I hope it's not sold out.
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Another awesome issue. Does anyone think the solid gold Superman at the end is none other than distant-future Kal-El himself? It's kind of hinted at.
Is that a moon?
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That was my take on it. Good story. I liked how it managed to have the feel of a silver age story, but without being corny.
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Yeah its him from the 853rd century, as seen in the DC One Million X-Over.
Reading it for the umpteenth time I still cant believe how well written this was. Its a Superman story that's been told many times but GM's version is right up there with the best of them.
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Never saw the One Million except for the Legion one which I got accidentally and it really kind of sucked.
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Wow. I just read it.
Amazing.
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One word (to be taken in its silver-age comics context, not a sports fan context) sums it up: *choke!*
Quitely's art can be deceptively simple.
Mirrison's borrowing some ideas from Alan Moore's run on SUPREME and giving them a tweak.
Probably the best issue yet.
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New Issues Preview up at Newsarama !
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Hmm... I wasn't really all that impressed by #7.
I found it kind of confusing and hard to follow. To the extent that when I reached the title page, inexplicably place like four pages before the end, I wondered for a moment if the pages were out of order or something.
Anyway, the take on the Bizarros was kind of interesting, but not all that exciting. I appreciated seeing the crew from Planet, but the Chief looked kind of weird.
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EDE I agree. In fact to me the whole issue seemed to be a prelude and a bit confusing (still cant make head nor tail out of that very first panel)and maybe the title page should have been the last page.
I loved the fact that the Planet staffer (argh! can't recall his name) was immune to the Bizarro virus due to the "performance enhancement" drugs he's taking. ...Maybe I should respond to those SPAM e-mails after all.
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This was my least favorite AS Superman issue yet till the last page that is. Zibarro made things more interesting but before that it just seemed to drag on.
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I'll agree this issue was VERY hard to follow.
I also found it distracting that it was set at Christmastime... now that it's APRIL.
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Over at Newsarama Grant gave a 52 exit interview. They asked if he ever felt in a pinch and he stated there was one month he did. ASM #8 was one.
He also said all his other work suffered b/c of 52. Guess we can chalk last issue as a 52 victim.
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Just read #10 and it might have been the second best issue of thes eries (the first being the previously applauded #6). A great issue with some really dynamic moments and yet another misty-eyed moment at the end.
Grant used the Superman Emergency Rescue Squad and the "little Superman coming out of his hand" bits and turned them into one of the most heartfelt panels of 2008.
This series is amazing. Its just so far ahead of most of the market.
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All-Star Superman # 12 is out now. IMHO the best 12 issue run of Superman.
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I can't wait to get this with my EOM shipment from DCBS.
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This last issue was -- by turns -- clever, bizarre, thought-provoking, incomprehensible, and beautiful. In other words, typical Morrison stuff.
The ending definitely leaves open a number of possibilities for continuing the story in the future.
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Finally got to read this entore thing as a whole.
Best Superman Tale in a long while. Deserves all the praise it got.
I loved the way that Jimmy was portrayed.
Active LMB character is still Beast Boy.
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So I re-read this epic recently, probably my first truly considered and focused reading.
As with a lot of Grant Morrison stuff, there are parts I think are brilliant (mostly in the bookend issues, approximately 1-3 and 9-12) and parts that don't quite come off (mostly in the middle issues -- like a lot of posters in this thread, the Jimmy Olsen part and the Bizarro part are what I think are the weakest spots; but even on the lesser issues, Frank Quitely's art is on point; and the middle issues do have some great moments as well, such as the death of Superman's adoptive father (Morrison's own father had died just before this project got under way, and Morrison says that his spirit informed their* writing throughout.)
My verdict: definitely in my personal Morrison Top Ten, maybe even Top Five.
* Morrison's pronouns are now they/them, ever since 2020 when they outed themselves as non-binary.
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I need to re-read this. I don't really remember it much at all, other than the first couple of issues. Apparently I really liked it, based on my above comments.
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