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It's nice to see a former Legionnaire get a high profile gig like this. He's really come into his own. (too bad he doesn't come back to visit) Re: the poster -- Moon Knight!  Iron Fist! Cloak & ... where's Dagger??  I'm more excited about these guys than any any Avenger or X-Man. also: Dazzler?? is that Mockingbird???  And is that Cannonball in front of X-23? And geez Bendis, does Daredevil have to be here??
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I think Cap got ahold of Chuck Taine's soder cola
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I just shudder to think what this new series (mini?) will do to the Scarlet Witch. I can only hope that they are able to restore her sanity and heroism. That poor woman has been through enough.
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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
I think Cap got ahold of Chuck Taine's soder cola I think maybe the plot is about a villain who's somehow stealing all the heroes' necks.
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Mockingbird, are you talking about the girl next to Cloak, I thought it looked like Black Cat.
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Originally posted by Dark Priestess Viviane:
Mockingbird, are you talking about the girl next to Cloak, I thought it looked like Black Cat. Black Cat has white hair - that woman is blonde, so I think probably not. I'm actually starting to wonder if they gave Dagger a new costume?
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It's Black Cat - why the hell all the wishful thinking on this? Bigger Version And, in other news, Falcon's got the wrong wings (that pair blew up in Cap/Falcon #2 and he's using huge hardlight wings now), given how Mystique's solo series ended, I don't even want to think why the hell she's there, Luke Cage looks stupid and why Cloak without Dagger? (And why does Cloak's, well..., cloak look like it's posed to cover someone up to his right, our left?)
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Originally posted by Reboot:
It's Black Cat - why the hell all the wishful thinking on this? What wishful thinking? It didn't even occur to me it was her considering the hair color - that's all (it's not like she was an obvious choice to be in this lineup). And from the smaller pic, I originally mistook her forehead to be part of the mask (like Mockingbird).
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Originally posted by Reboot:
...and why Cloak without Dagger? (And why does Cloak's, well..., cloak look like it's posed to cover someone up to his right, our left?) Maybe Cloak's cloak is covering Dagger? They all look pretty recognizable (in the big pic) to me. Except for the one to the right (our left) of Moon Knight. Who is that? Originally posted by Reboot:
Luke Cage looks stupid... What the hell is that on his head? One of his kid's diapers? (or hasn't Jessica had the kid yet?)
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Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Originally posted by Reboot:
[b]It's Black Cat - why the hell all the wishful thinking on this? Why do they color Black Cat blonde sometimes, can't people just get a color and stick with it! You might be able to tell that I'm really finicky with my colors...
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
Except for the one to the right (our left) of Moon Knight. Who is that?
Forge? What happened at the end of Mystique's series? Nightcrawler needs to control his tail better -it seems to have a mind of its own. If that is X-23's new look -I hate it. Much prefer her current look. I love that Dr Strange and Iron Fist are involved.
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Strange. As my interest in DC increases, my interest in Marvel books is dwindling. I could care less about the House of M.
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
[QBThey all look pretty recognizable (in the big pic) to me. Except for the one to the right (our left) of Moon Knight. Who is that?[/QB] It might be Forge. I thought it might be Frenchie, Moon Knight's helicopter pilot/partner.
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Originally posted by G-Man: Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
[b]Except for the one to the right (our left) of Moon Knight. Who is that?
Yep. Originally posted by G-Man:
What happened at the end of Mystique's series? She tried to kill Xaver, P.O.ed the X-Men, REALLY P.O.ed Forge and slipped away after nicking Forge's anti-Mystique-finding gadget. Originally posted by G-Man:
If that is X-23's new look -I hate it. Much prefer her current look. It's Bendis' new White Tiger
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So Forge is back as well? Don't you just love the revolving door they installed at the mansion. 
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Originally posted by G-Man:
If that is X-23's new look -I hate it. Much prefer her current look. Originally posted by Reboot:
It's Bendis' new White Tiger Who? The girl behind Cannonball in the old Wolverine outfit? Aside from the fact that she's wearing a version of Wolverine's old costume, she doesn't appear to have the amulet around her neck. What makes you say that's her (I don't think we've seen her in costume yet) ?
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad: So Forge is back as well? Don't you just love the revolving door they installed at the mansion. Well, Forge has been established as working for the Prof in the "Mystique" series. He just hasn't been in the mansion.
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Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Originally posted by Lightning Lad: [b]So Forge is back as well? Don't you just love the revolving door they installed at the mansion. Never picked up a copy of that one, even to look at. The only X 'villain' series I've read is Emma's books and I've grabbed those in digest form. Last I remember of Forge he had retracted his proposal to Storm and left (with Mystique?). That was, hell, 1992? The first cover with Storm standing in the rain (most recently redone, with great effect, by Greg Land).
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Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Originally posted by G-Man:
[b]If that is X-23's new look -I hate it. Much prefer her current look. Originally posted by Reboot:
It's Bendis' new White Tiger Go look at the Women of Marvel Handbook.
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Originally posted by Reboot: Originally posted by DrakeB3004: [b] Originally posted by G-Man:
[b]If that is X-23's new look -I hate it. Much prefer her current look. Originally posted by Reboot:
It's Bendis' new White Tiger Who? The girl behind Cannonball in the old Wolverine outfit? Aside from the fact that she's wearing a version of Wolverine's old costume, she doesn't appear to have the amulet around her neck. What makes you say that's her (I don't think we've seen her in costume yet) ?[/b]  Neither White Tiger nor X-23 are in the Women's Handbook.
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Meant the MKHB. [img] http://tinypic.com/4hws95[/img]
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Ah, don't have that one. Sure looks like the same costume from the poster except the coloring. Wonder if the colorist knew who it was supposed to be?
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SO... the focus of this book will be on a mammoth cast of characters I don't care much about and some new folks I've never heard of instead of on Magneto, Quicksilver, Wanda and Polaris?
Marvel may be losing a sale here....
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That's exactly what I thought. And don't forget Crystal-- Quicksilver's on-again/off-again wife. And since The Vision's popped up again (sorta) in YOUNG AVENGERS, he should be included, too.
Then again, since I love ALL of those particular characters, maybe it's a good thing that Bendis and company seem to be ignoring all but Mags and Wanda.
It all seems like a big excuse for several mutant/Magneto centered alternative futures/worlds. Which is all right as far as it goes... but doesn't really explore the 'House of M' as I see it.
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The coloring is off on a lot of characters because of the reddish lighting -It's just not consistent considering Storm's hair and Moon Knight. I wouldn't be too worried about Black Cat's hair or White Tiger -but the colorist needs to be more consistent. --but it would be funny if the colorist assumed White Tiger was a new more current Wolverine-ish look for X-23 so he colored her that way.
I have a feeling Mags and his kids are going to play a pretty big role in this -just can't decide why they're left off the artwork- but wouldn't the HOUSE OF M -be referring to them?
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Originally posted by G-Man:
I have a feeling Mags and his kids are going to play a pretty big role in this -just can't decide why they're left off the artwork- but wouldn't the HOUSE OF M -be referring to them? That poster has that "X" frame around it. Maybe there's going to be another poster with Mags and his clan as the opposing side with an "M" frame to compliment this one?
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that would be cool drake.
coipel does do a great spidey but, i think his work on the legion was the best still. his skinny characters just look way better.
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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
That's exactly what I thought. And don't forget Crystal-- Quicksilver's on-again/off-again wife. And since The Vision's popped up again (sorta) in YOUNG AVENGERS, he should be included, too.
Then again, since I love ALL of those particular characters, maybe it's a good thing that Bendis and company seem to be ignoring all but Mags and Wanda.
It all seems like a big excuse for several mutant/Magneto centered alternative futures/worlds. Which is all right as far as it goes... but doesn't really explore the 'House of M' as I see it. Crystal making an appearance would be awesome. I'm personally looking forward to seeing Scarlet Witch!
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Apparently Spain has decided that Marvel may be guilty of copyright infringement (imagine that) and we may not see published the royal picture of Magneto that was supposed to be the cover to The Pulse: House of M. Story at Newsarama .
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... and Coipel's art is worth a look. Really nice, IMO. The story's OK-- there's an especially strong Quicksilver/Magneto scene... and an enjoyable Carol Danvers/Falcon one, as well.
However, Prof X doesn't seem like himself. We'll soon see if all the 'crowd scene' characters suffer from complete mischaracterization the way several past Avengers did in DISASSEMBLED.
Otherwise, it's all set-up for what certainly seems to be a 'What If' scenario.
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I have to say that I had low expectations and was surprised at how much I like it. Art was mind-blowingly awesome. 'Nuff said. Well, one more thing: Copiel's Genosha really gets across how terrible the damage was there, something no other artist has done yet. The Quicksilver/Magento scene was excellent. Pietro finally gettng some characterization is long overdue, and this kind of sets up Magneto's movitations, it appears. Cap, Ms. Marvel, etc. refusal to kill Wanda was very good and reaffirmed my love of the old Avengers. Wonder Man's stern approach was also perfect. Emma Frost came across as harsh, but very direct and thoughtful, and believing in what she was saying. Wolverine, sadly, came off as a total asshole. I want more Wasp and Yellow Jacket  . Jan did have one good line, at least. NOW, some speculation: - My brothers and I were talking, and we considered the idea that Marvel might say Wanda has been manipulating the MU for quite some time on a variety of other things. Therefore, Marvel effectively has a tool to retcon out everything stupid over the last twenty years. They could also end up screwing up a lot of good things. One thing I've talked about on my Spider-Man thread is the idea that by marrying Peter, Marvel pretty much changed the series drastically, and in a way made Peter irreversably different by having a loving, understanding wife. One change that wouldn't surprise me (actually, it would be mind-blowing, but I'm predicting that it *could* happen) is maybe Wanda did something to give Spidey some happiness, which is why he married MJ? Thus, Spidey might leave House of M without being married anymore? Just a thought.
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Dude. This issue... rocked. I too had low expectations but... yeah. Rock.
I even liked Carol Danvers (who I loathe) just 'cause she was such a dick. It was good times. And Emma's harshness and Kitty's youth were both over played but... it still works. As does Wolverine being a jerk. 'Cause... he is. And it's about time someone showed it!
And that last scene... dude -- *sniff!!* Why do comics always have to resurrect the dead?? I guess I shoulda seen it coming with all the Gwen's kids stuff but... yeah. Weirdness.
I'm actually excited now. God help me...
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Cali, I also noticed how nicely the Kitty scenes worked. Good to see her and the Professor have a nice moment!
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Yet another one with low expectations (of the writing, not the art) who was pleasently surprised. I wasn't even considering picking it up until I saw all teh good things being said about it on the GLA yahoo group and then having a look at the art. OK so it's mostly set up but even then it has some very nice moments, some good characterisation and just absolutely gorgeous artwork. Coipel (who I've always liked) has come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of years. The only critique I'd make is that some of his men have very, very bulky necks even when it doesn't quite suit them (Magneto for example). But he draws gorgeous women and even manages to make Emma Frost's costume look slightly less ridiculous than it is.
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First thing's first -- Coipel's awesome!
The one thing throughout this issue that kept bothering me is that they were so concerned about Wanda's powers to the extent that they debated "putting her down", yet they don't even at least mention using some kind of power dampener. Lord knows we've seen enough of those used throughout X-Men history (Magneto even used tech of that sort against the X-Men), it seemed the most obvious solution to me. Even if they gave some hackneyed reason for why she might be too powerful for one I think it should've been mentioned. (oh, and I don't remember but did that "mutant cure" from "Astonishing X-Men" really work? That's another option too if it does) But that's my peeve...
The rest of the stuff was pretty interesting. Just a lot of talking, but the characterization was pretty good for pretty much all the characters. I'm surprised nobody on the Avengers saw fit to mention a Dark Pheonix parallel between their situations - that certainly would've struck a nerve.
I'm very apprehensive about this whole "altered reality" concept, but I guess I'll give the main mini a shot at least. It strikes me too much as just a means to an end (whatever it is they want the Marvel status quo to be when this thing is done), but hopefully there will be some good character moments within the stories themselves. That's about as much as I'm allowing myself to hope for with this event.
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Guess I'll be the dissenting voice here and say that I had low expections and they more than met them. Olivier's art was great but he still needs a little work on his expressions. And everyone seemed a little chubby in the face, to me. The backgrounds were awesome though. Loved the shots of ruined Geneosha (sp?).
But the story? Come on. It could have been told in less than five pages and we may have gotten some real interaction between the characters and some action. There were a few good moments (Magneto and Xavier, Magneto and Quicksilver) but most of the rest of it fell flat for me. I'll pick up the rest of the mini but I won't touch the tie-ins.
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Same here, Scott, but mostly because I want to see what changes come out of it.
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Felt more like a prologue or something that would have been better as a double length first issue, but at least the art was purdy. And considering this is bascially a Marvel Elseworlds, there was little chance of me staying away.
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i loved this but....
kept thinking this must be really boring to the x-men since they've been through this about 5 times (ok i exagerate)with jean. then there's wolvie gambit magneto rogue. all of whom prof x has been an advocate. why would prof x be a drama queen about the scarlet witch?
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Bad reviews...I liked it. Loved the art. Copiel keeps getting better. I hope he does a fill-in or back-up on the new LSH.
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
The backgrounds were awesome though. Speaking of, I just noticed that in the first shot of Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man on the street you can spot Quicksilver in the background spying on them (as he mentions later in Genosha). I think Bendis' new mantra has been "It's NOT an Elseworlds!" Apparently some of these changes will be here to stay. Does anyone plan on picking up the related "HoM" minis? I thought about getting the Iron Man one, but the art really really doesn't do it for me. I'll likely just flip through the books in the store and see if any of them interests me.
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The Carol Danvers scene was the best thing about the issue. I hope this version makes it into the post-House of M Marvel-- maybe with her book again? At least a spot in one team or another...
Storm/'Janet' was fun...
... not enough 'M' in the House of M#2, though.
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is robert the sentry? i didn't quite get that scene with stephen strange.
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i only picked up the first 2 issues because of OLIVIER's amazing artwork !! but it seems like it will be quite a cool storyline, i like the fact that the characters have been given their "hearts desires" [ am i correct in that ?? ] btw i haven't actually read them yet, as i have a massive backlog of books to get through ....
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it's good i like it. but i didn't pick up on the hearts desires bit...
glad the muties are treated well in some alternate reality at least. but the humans seem to be an underdog.
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#3's out... and I find it all underwhelming. Coipel is well-suited to a Wolverine-heavy story, I'll say that for it.
The pacing needs to be picked up about three notches.
Still no 'M' or family in the House of M.
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I just started reading this over the weekend. I was kinda like... whatever. Seriously, did we really, really need yet another series to focus mainly on the oh-so-wonderful Wolverine? I mean, my gawd, how freaking many Wolverine books do we need? And of all people, why is he the one who can remember everything? I mean, wouldn't one of the Marvel U's many telepaths be a better choice?
And what was with the X-Men all ready to murder the Scarlet Witch? I mean, for heaven's sake, she's been a hero for years and years! But then, this IS the same group that was fully prepared to kill Jean Grey in the original Dark Phoenix book...
All I know is that if they end up killing Wanda in the end, I will be very, very not happy...
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Okay, Marvel is really trying to drive me away. This is the list of follow-ups to House of M, revealed at WWC: House Of M: The Day After One-shot Generation M Limited Series X-Men: Deadly Genesis (30th anniversary of the All-New, All-Different X-Men) Limited Series. Wolverine #36 begins a year-long story arc, “The Quest,” directly out of the events of HoM Son of M Limited Series Son of M? Sounds like a bad horror movie sequel. And the worst? This cover for House of M: The Day After is just tacky.  It will NEVER be okay to mirror an image from 9/11 in a comic that doesn't directly deal with that tragedy (like DC's "9-11: The World's Finest Comic Book Writers & Artists Tell Stories to Remember" or Marvel's "Heroes").
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I think the latest issue was the best in the series so far. Some things I liked:
- Copiel's art. Damn, that guy can draw. Loved the image of all of the 'underground' lined up next to one another. Bendis's love for the 70's is annoying at times to me, but I like seeing Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Cloak, Dagger, Cage, Wolverine, Hawkeye, etc. all lined up.
- Peter remembering. Those who know me know of my love for Spidey and that Spider-Man is my hero. I love his history, and two-page spread by Copiel was very touching for me.
- I like Hawkeye's central role. I feel that this series will eventually come down to Clint and Wanda, especially after the Pulse issue. I'm waiting for Bendis to not let me down and prove to me again how good of a writer he is. Clint will have to decide- save them all, but in doing so, ensure he once again does not exist? Can Wanda save him? Can he, just maybe, save her in some way? I admit to having high hopes, but this is the crux of my interest, not the 'mutant-central' stuff.
Now, I want scenes with Wanda and Pietro. Bendis still has time, but I'm ready for them now. And I see how far Magneto has gone, to sacrifice Xiavier, unless that was Prof X's wish all along.
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I liked the latest issue as well. I felt bad for Spidey.. I did.
It just seemed it took forever to build up to where the story is currently.
Now I am not impressed with the Iron Man and Fantastic Four House of M mini series. So it will be unlikely that I pick up the follow ups.
I love the art..Im simple
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I don't like how easily all of these heroes are so willing to just kill Wanda. I mean, even the X-Men who have known her are just willing to kill her, and have been since issue 1. I mean, c'mon... this is the Scarlet Witch, one of the longest serving Avengers. She has fought to save the world countless times. I mean, I can see being practical, but they have no qualms whatsoever in putting a bullet in her head. The old X-Men wouldn't have been that cold. I miss the old X-Men
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You know, Bendis has set this up as a kill/no kill situation with Wanda. That guarantees some other solution will be used. I've got a feeling Wanda's powers are going to be used to remove her as the threat, sort of depowering her and other mutants in the process. I like the idea of Hawkeye helping her come to that decision; that she restores him when she repairs the world.
Either way, I'm not reading any more Bendis work. The pacing here is too slow for my $3 each issue. Not poorly written, just feels like the story is being stretched out.
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i miss my old x-men too, kitty pryde seems to be carrying the torch no matter who writes her. except some writers forget she is a genius.
i love emma frost when she's written well and i think she is here. shes a cold hearted *itch. and thats how she is being written here.
have you noticed how the story has become about magneto and his chidren or daughter. they keep refering to wanda as "magneto's daughter" like thats all she is. the better to kill her i guess.
so who's on maggies side so far in the battle to come. polaris, magneto, quicksilver, scarlet witch is depowered?, wonder man or vision, dr. doom?, not storm but she could be an in between character.
it's looking pretty tough for the martial arts heavy good guys.
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The whole issue was devoted to restoring the memories of the heroes. This used to be done in one splash panel with little inset panels showing other heroes around the world remembering simultaneously.
Wow $3 for this! Now I know Bendis isn' paid by the word. When this is over someone has to do a count of the double page splash panels with less than 4 lines of dialogue in this mini to see if it breaks a record.
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I wish I could buy this, I love Oli's work and would love to support his career. Fat chance of that, though, as long as Marvel's putting him on crap like this.  
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From the sound of things, I'm glad I skipped it.
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I tell you true, Lashie-- I got #1 for 75% off through DCBS, and I thought I paid too much...
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Originally posted by Stargazer:
I liked the latest issue as well. I felt bad for Spidey.. I did.
It just seemed it took forever to build up to where the story is currently.
Now I am not impressed with the Iron Man and Fantastic Four House of M mini series. So it will be unlikely that I pick up the follow ups.
I love the art..Im simple At the time I picked up #5, I was wondering why I was doing so. The first four issues didn't impress me. But I liked this issue. Like you, I felt really bad for Spider-Man, but that so-called haircut was hideous. I don't pick up any of the other minis and it doesn't seem like I'm missing anything from the main story.
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Originally posted by Disaster Boy:
polaris, magneto, quicksilver, scarlet witch is depowered?, wonder man or vision, dr. doom?, not storm but she could be an in between character. Lorna Dane has switched to the side of evil? Can it be that she is really Magneto's daughter after all? I thought she was being duped in the beginning...
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Let the parodies BEGIN!!! 
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Originally posted by ferroboy:
At the time I picked up #5, I was wondering why I was doing so. The first four issues didn't impress me. But I liked this issue. Like you, I felt really bad for Spider-Man, but that so-called haircut was hideous.
I don't pick up any of the other minis and it doesn't seem like I'm missing anything from the main story. You're not. The Spider-Man mini is definitely before the regular HoM thang and I'm thinking the Iron Man one must be as well. Not so certain about the Fantastic Four or Mutopia X but... whatever, right? Just a giant What If...? and all that jazz.
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If Marvel stays true to thier word and some of the changes are permanent, the only book you'll likely need is the "Secrets of the House of M" to give you a brief description of what's been changed.
And even then, they'll likely explain the new "post M" universe anyway in the individual issues to get people caught up. The mini seems like a huge waste of time to me so far (though it is pretty).
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I like the Spidey mini. It's nifty... (Gwen *sob*) And I'm enjoying the Iron Man and FF minis as well. Mutopia could be better but  whatever. The New X-Men HoM arc is really neat, imho, the Uncanny one is... meh. I really liked The Pluse and Black Panther tie-ins but the New Thunderbults did nothin' for me. All in all, I'd say that this is a relatively entertaining divergence, if not a bit on the unnecessarily wangsty side. But that's Marvel for ya, I s'pose.
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Anybody want to play spoiler for me? I'm not reading but would be interested to hear about what is happening. Here or an IM. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Pov: [b]Let the parodies BEGIN!!! [/b] You only just found that? That's not even his most recent cartoon
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This one actually tells it better. House of BM indeed. 
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and "Somehow, I don't think this panel worked out right." (Poor Olivier!  )
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I'm surprised they don't have Wolverine drinking a Labatt Blue during the whole thing! (We New Englanders love our Canadian neighbors )
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In the Matt Gardner cartoon i just watched , why does Wolverine have an Irish accent?
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i think i sympathize with wanda and pietro a bit tooo much.
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I see Quesada's point a bit with this, but a few hundred is waaaay too few.
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I think JoeQ is right on the mutant thing. It's the reason i stopped reading the x-men books in the mid ninties after buying every book religiously for 10 years.
As to the right number I also agree its too low. But it may be better to be too strict in the beginning and relax the restrictions later. Who needs another half measure that lasts 30 days until the next writer changes it.
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there's one more issue....i'm still hopeful.
you are all talking about the ending right?
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Nice art. Some well-written moments. But overall, I just don't like what they're doing with Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. I can see the history they're drawing on-- and I can't really disagree with, the way I do with the way they've portrayed Hank Pym in recent years.
But in order to draw upon the history threads they're using, they've had to ignore, or at the least minimize, other character threads. The ones I prefer, obviously.
I think it's either very telling or very careless on the part of the writer that Pietro's realization of happiness doesn't involve his wife or his daughter.
SON OF M is coming up... I hope it's not as bleak as the cover they've released looks.
The closing words combined with the title of another of 'Post M' titles has me worried about Polaris, Havok, Cannonball, Magma, Sunspot, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Storm, Angel, Iceman, Beast, Dani Moonstar and Northstar (though he's got problems enough already...). Those are the X-characters I care about. If a lot of them are gone, I'll drop X-titles the way a bunch of posters here did some time ago.
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Well, we know that characters like Richtor, Boom-Boom and M are going to be around (although nobody said that they still have powers did they?). I can't imagine any of the "All-New, All-Different" lineup or the more prominent New Mutants are going to bite it. (but this is the Bendis-verse after all...)
Was the latest issue supposed to be a big shock or something? We've always known it was either Magneto or Pietro behind it -- although I hoped it was something more interesting. Both sides of this issue bored me. The big fight was a mess - there were several points where I just didn't understand what was going on (did Rogue absorb Genis' powers?) and the talking wasn't all that interesting -- it reminded me of "The New Avengers" Sentry story last month* (oh wait - Bendis wrote that too didn't he?) where half the issue was basically therapy and the other half just mindless battle. That's barely a plot, imo.
*there are actually several parallels: a nearly all-powerful person with the ability to shape reality breaks from reality and alters the memories of everyone around them and is aided by a psychic/medium to confront the truth while an army of heroes does battle. Said nearly all-powerful person also creates a separate entity that's really a manifestation of their subconscious.
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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
The closing words combined with the title of another of 'Post M' titles has me worried about Polaris, Havok, Cannonball, Magma, Sunspot, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Storm, Angel, Iceman, Beast, Dani Moonstar and Northstar (though he's got problems enough already...). Those are the X-characters I care about. If a lot of them are gone, I'll drop X-titles the way a bunch of posters here did some time ago. Cannonball's been seen in Cable/Deadpool post-HoM, fully powered Covers show Polaris flying, Havok blasting. I wouldn't bet on any of the AXM mutants getting depowered, and Claremont would slit his wrists if someone depowered Storm again. The ones from your list to worry about are Angel, Iceman (notably absent from upcoming XM covers), Nightcrawler (ditto in UXM), Moonstar (I bet she's depowered), Magma (ditto), Sunspot, and maybe Northstar.
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The lame part here is that the only mutants who are really going to be affected are those who don't factor in to anything. We're "losing" a few thousand mutants who have never been seen. If Wanda wanted to make things better she should have taken out all the high-powered mutants.
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i don't blame pietro or magneto, wanda did it even in her crazy ass state. she is at least partially lucid. i thought magneto would at least be partially to blame...which would upset me more not because of what he did but what he did to charlie xavier....his friend he's screwed over so many times.
so am i missing a spoiler...i just assumed evcerything would be made right in numero 7.
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The numbers mean nothing. They will always have as many mutants as they want or need, and they'll bring in new ones or revive old ones as they please.
And I found the whole story to be dull in the extreme.
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Okay so Bendis drags out 6 issues, giving us some fine character moments (Spiderman, SpiderWoman.) Now, we have a big throwdown, and they rush through it in 3 pages?!?!?
Nightcrawler watches everyone's back? Rogue did absorb Captain Marvel's power, right? It was all rushed and drawn marginaly that I couldn't really get into it. Bendis does have a way with dialouge and plot developement, but he's bad at action sequences.
House of M hasn't been a must read story. It does sound like lasting chages will come from this story, but that doesn't make this integral to the developements.
By the way, wasn't this billed as a bi-weekly thing?
Copiel does some AWESOME work tho'.
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The confrontation with Hawkeye was one of the only interesting things that happened. It struck me as a tweaked version of Green Arrow and Green Lantern when he became Parralax -- similar elements include: Ollie shooting Hal (in the heart rather than back though), Parallax just wanting to create a world where everyone wins out, Hal resurrecting Ollie...
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I liked this issue for the scenes with Pietro above all else. Very careless of him, but I do think it makes sense for him in a way. I hope his story is more in depth to his character in Son of M.
The numbers, as OM says, really mean nothing, but I hope above all else that dumb concepts like Mutant cities in California, mutants calling humans 'statics' (or something) and mutants all over the place in Claremont and other peoples titles stops.
Reboot's post is telling: I'm wondering if Iceman is going to bite the dust? He seems the most likely of all the X-Men, although he kinda has seemed that way from roughly 1978.
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Someone go ahead and spoil this for me, either in a PM or on this thread... what's going on? Is it open season on mutants deemed expendable?
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In issue #7 we learn that it was Pietro, and not Magento that influenced Wanda to create the new House of M world, and that they could do it in a way where everyone would be happy and there would be no more fighting. Dr. Strange learns this and tell Emma Frost through telepathic link.
Emma is confronted by Magneto and tells him (off-panel, so we assume). Magneto gets furious and attacks Quicksilver, hammering him with metal object, apparently killing him. Wanda enters the fray for the first time and brings him back.
Wanda then becomes furious with Magneto, blaming him for all the trouble Pietro and her have been through, because of his arrogance in assuming mutants are a greater species. This leads her to believe its the entire mutant/human tensions that have led to such pain and suffering, and has her own solution: "No More Mutants." The last page ends with her re-shaping reality again.
Quesada has said in interviews that there will be a major cut-back in mutants. Basically the mutant population is out of control--mutants everywhere (I agree with him). This will cut it back so they are a real minority again, and a very miniscule percentage in the MU.
So...we all believe that many mutants will lose their mutation/powers, and some will be killed. What this means for the characters we see remains up in the air.
I wonder if they'll cut back on mutant central titles? I'd hope so. I think a lot of this will picked up on in "X-Men Deadly Genesis", another mini-series coming out directly after this by Ed Brubaker, which we know little about.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I think a lot of this will picked up on in "X-Men Deadly Genesis", another mini-series coming out directly after this by Ed Brubaker, which we know little about. Other than it will suck, and yet mindless Marvel Zombies will make it a top-seller... much like "House of Meh" and the New Wolveriners. :rolleyes: 
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Part of me wishes HOUSE OF M was more continuity-heavy. As it is, everything is pretty straight forward and I don't feel the need to pick up any HOUSE OF M issues other than the core miniseries. It's a kind of a neat feeling where you don't quite know what's going on and you can't wait to eventually fill in all the backstory with other issues.
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Originally posted by Burger Eater Lad:
Part of me wishes HOUSE OF M was more continuity-heavy. As it is, everything is pretty straight forward and I don't feel the need to pick up any HOUSE OF M issues other than the core miniseries. It's a kind of a neat feeling where you don't quite know what's going on and you can't wait to eventually fill in all the backstory with other issues. BE Lad, I have to say I'm exactly the same way. I actually love continuity driven stuff that benefits from further reading.
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Cannonball's been seen in Cable/Deadpool post-HoM, fully powered
Covers show Polaris flying, Havok blasting.
I wouldn't bet on any of the AXM mutants getting depowered, and Claremont would slit his wrists if someone depowered Storm again.
The ones from your list to worry about are Angel, Iceman (notably absent from upcoming XM covers), Nightcrawler (ditto in UXM), Moonstar (I bet she's depowered), Magma (ditto), Sunspot, and maybe Northstar. Thanks for the list, Reboot. I'm not as certain as you are about the 'safe' status of heroes postM. Some of those covers (Is that what you're basing the 'safe' call on? The covers from upcoming issues?) *could* be set before HOUSE OF M. I tend to think that Storm and Nightcrawler are pretty safe-- and most likely Colossus. Angel, Iceman and the old NEW MUTANTS characters are the ones I think likeliest to be affected.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I actually love continuity driven stuff that benefits from further reading. You mean something like "Avengers Forever"? That was steeped in continuity. Tons better than "House of M" too.
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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I liked this issue for the scenes with Pietro above all else. Very careless of him, but I do think it makes sense for him in a way. I hope his story is more in depth to his character in Son of M. Didn't you think it was weird that Crystal and Luna were nowhere to be found? With happy-wishes being granted and all? Pietro's guilt limiting his own happiness-potential? Wanda's jealousy of Pietro having a 'real' child? Frankly, I'm glad Bendis didn't touch 'em. The one or two lines he attributed to Crystal during DISSASSEMBLED showed he knows nothing about this character. Of course, I also tend to think that the central idea behind Wanda's insanity is a bunch of crap. I *remember* reading her dealing with the loss/nonexistence of the her twins. It wasn't something she didn't know about. If she'd gone crazy *anyway*, then I'd buy it (maybe). The whole 'betrayed by her teammates' thing was awful. Unless that was the point she started manipulating reality... Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
The numbers, as OM says, really mean nothing. One of the new series is called 198, I think. Pretty soon, all 198 of the mutants will have had their own series or miniseries. Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Reboot's post is telling: I'm wondering if Iceman is going to bite the dust? He seems the most likely of all the X-Men, although he kinda has seemed that way from roughly 1978. It's especially troubling that for the last couple of years, he's supposedly been existing without a flesh-and-blood body. If he's one of the depowered mutants, all that'll be left is a puddle of water.
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Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
[b] I actually love continuity driven stuff that benefits from further reading. Perfect example! Todd, I agree with you on Crystal and Luna. By not even mentioning them, it takes away some integrity of the story. But like you said, I'm actually *glad* Bendis hasn't touched them. Still waiting for a Black Knight/Crystal romance to be rekindled I can see Marvel doing a ICEMAN: PUDDLE OF X mini-series now, with six issues of nothing happening and then Iceman dying in issue #6. Followed up by a Emma Frost mini that's supposed to continue the series, but somehow only deals with her days wearing a school girl outfit.
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Originally posted by Mystery Lad: Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
[b]Reboot's post is telling: I'm wondering if Iceman is going to bite the dust? He seems the most likely of all the X-Men, although he kinda has seemed that way from roughly 1978. Chamber's confirmed depowered, and if he survives with a bloody great hole in his chest, and possibly face, Iceman would survive it. Reality-reordering, remember? My two main cover sources were both DeciMation issues of Uncanny and X-Men. this (although Bachalo's so crap I missed Nightcrawler before) and this . What I hadn't seen at the time was this , which appears to be the XM177 cover (since 177 and 178 are both due in November, and only the 178 cover, with Wolverine ripping into a Sentinel's head was solicited), and which shows Robert Drake in the background. The guy who pointed it out to me thought he has icy hands - which would imply that only his no-turning-back thing was reversed - but it might be just the background colour wash. Again, he's notably absent from the 179 cover either way. Of the AXM cast, only Cyclops, Wolverine and Frost are Confirmed Safe so far, although I'd bet on Kitty being Definitely Safe, and Colossus and Beast Probably Safe - although Beast might Go Ape. Right now, as far as I can see: Confirmed Safe: Cable (nominally - he's still a mutant but he's depowered anyway), Cannonball, Siryn (also confirmed for X-Factor), Meltdown (also confirmed for Nextwave), Warpath, Wolverine, Frost, Havok, Polaris, Stepford Cuckoos, Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Nocturne, Wolfsbane, Madrox, Strong Guy, Cyclops, X23, Elixir, Rockslide, Surge, Hellion, Mercury, Dust. Probably Safe: Shadowcat, Colossus, Storm, Bishop, Rachel, Rictor, M Probably Depowered: Magneto, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Iceman (partially?), Moonstar, Karma, Magma, Winddancer, Prodigy, Wallflower, Icarus, Beak, Wither, Tag, any mutant who hasn't appeared for years, all students I haven't mentioned. Confirmed Depowered: Chamber, Jubilee Unconfirmed, could go either way: Beast Feel free to add to these lists!
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House of M is kind of making me not like Marvel - sort of like how Infinite Crisis is turning off a lot of DC fan (not me). I don't want to see the number of mutants in the world drastically reduced - unless it includes a lot of the X-Men and their allies.
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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
It's especially troubling that for the last couple of years, he's supposedly been existing without a flesh-and-blood body. If he's one of the depowered mutants, all that'll be left is a puddle of water. If they want him to stick around, they'll just forget that bit.
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Wow. Gen X sure gets the short end of the stick. Two died, two depowered... although, one of the previously dead was seen alive again so you never quite know there. I think M will be fine since she's slated to be in X-Factor but I sort of hope Paige is depowered too. I mean, they may as well do that to the only one from the series that I really don't like. But, ack. I'm not a fan here. Jubilee's been a mutant longer than most of those listed. And, argh!! I really like the New Mutants. I don't want to see Dani, Shan and Amara depowered. Well, I wouldn't mind Amara that much since she's been contributing nothing for some time now but still. Ew. I mean, could someone explain why X-23 is still powered up but the rest are being shite on? She's newer than most. Excuse me, while I wonder exactly why I've invested so much time and money into this franchise if they're just going to get rid of a ton of my favorites. That's not to say that I'm displeased that they're driving down the number of mutants, since it's statistically impossible for a genetic mutation to be so prevalent in a population in such a short amount of time. But, this is dumb. Seriously. Dumb.
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Quesada has said in interviews that there will be a major cut-back in mutants. Basically the mutant population is out of control--mutants everywhere (I agree with him). This will cut it back so they are a real minority again, and a very miniscule percentage in the MU. How does "198" constitute a "real minority"? A real minority would be millions - at least.
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right. it would be.
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this is just another example of a human hating mutants.
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I've read elsewhere (can't remember where right now) that 198 isn't a reference to the number of mutants that will be left.
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Is 198 just the number of comics that Wolverine is in?
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Originally posted by Frio:
But, ack. I'm not a fan here. Jubilee's been a mutant longer than most of those listed. And, argh!! I really like the New Mutants. I don't want to see Dani, Shan and Amara depowered. Well, I wouldn't mind Amara that much since she's been contributing nothing for some time now but still. WHAT?!? It's not her fault, she's a great character...if they take away Amara, like they did my Jean, who will I have left...
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You know what Marvel's problem is, they hired Grant Morrison, if those fools had never let that moronic ape touch his banana smushed fingers on X-Men, then I (a devoted MU reader, who now won't touch a title because of him) would still be reading the comic and Jean Grey would still be here and she wouldn't have had to repeat the same storyline that she DID IN THE 70'S BECAUSE THAT IDIOT LACKS CREATIVE JUICES!!!
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at least emma frosts diamond skin has been ignored in the house of m. as has the beasts cat form. and professor x hasn't shot anyone in the head yet. that wuld be funny if thats how he dealt with wanda...bang! problem solved kids. back to the mansion.
joss wheden seems to be dealing with some of these changes in astonishing x-men....i kinda wish he would just ignore them though.
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Bah to all of you. Morrison X-Men was the only good thing to happen to X-Men since Scott, Jean, et al rejoined the team from X-Factor. Now we're back to X-Men driven by a bunch of guys who want to relive Claremont Uncanny X-Men. If I'm ever subjected to another story with either Mojo or the Savage Land, I'll... I'lll. I'll blow a fuse in my brain ... or something.
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I echo the Mojo sentiment. No more Mojo is a good thing.
By 'real minority', I assume Quesada referred to the notion that every other Claremonet story in the last ten years has shown a mutant community, mutant city, mutant biker gang, mutant agency, mutant country, mutant alternate universe, mutant rock n' roll band, mutant street gang, mutant...you get what I mean. Just the notion that there are mutants everywhere, that one in every six is a mutant, etc. will be taken away, which I think is a good thing.
And of course a real minority would be in the millions, but that's not what Quesada was trying to imply.
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Yeah, but 250-300 mutants ("A-list plus the 198") worldwide is too few by far.
And I echo the Mojo/SL point, but most assiduously NOT the Morrison point
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I'm thinking the 198 isn't about the total mutant population. I will be glad to see it pared down some, tho'.
Didn't Joe Q hire Morrison? Wasn't he the guy promoting Grant's run, talking about what a great boon to Marvel it was to get the man writing the X-universe? He also brought Claremont back to the X-men, editor in chiefed all those tales. He oversaw the boon of mutantdom. He orchestrated it.
And yeah, some of the depowered folks will be back in 3-5 years.
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I think 198 may refer to either the number of known mutants or the total number of mutants registered with Xavier's school over its entire history.
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I believe it actually refers to the number of books Wolverine will be starring in next year.
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Apparently, the official line, I think, is that bringing the Xtitles back to a state where they have to face persecution without the support of greater numbers and effective organization (mutant schools, mutant towns, mutant hotlines, etc.), makes a better venue for more creative and entertaining stories. Personally, I think it depends more on who handles the reins on this than on a return to a former status quo. A crappy story in a more "creative world" is still a crappy story, right?
I believe a natural evolution of any persecuted minority is to organize. Despite my own wariness towards Grant Morrison (although WE3 rocks!!!), I felt he understood the implicaitons of this. Perhaps the problem wasn't the number of mutants, but the number of bland mutant stories and not enough "hero/human stories" (a trap even Mr. Morrison fell into, but slightly recovered with "Here Comes Tomorrow"). Ah well, as long as Joss Whedon continues to deliver... Hmmm I wonder how he'd handle LSH? Sign up for that!
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That's a very interesting point.
I think a lot also hinges on whether or not everybody remembers what the world was like with mutants in control, and whether that sparks more anti-mutant persecution.
Of course, Marvel Earth has been through a lot before this, and people just tended to go about their normal lives afterwards.
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And here we have the House of M Part 2 from that Gardner boy. Tee hee. Wish it wasn't a TBC tho... No spoilers, really, except maybe for the first issue of HoM, in case anyone actually cares. It's mostly just fun to listen to Pietro talk.
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Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
That's a very interesting point.
I think a lot also hinges on whether or not everybody remembers what the world was like with mutants in control, and whether that sparks more anti-mutant persecution.
Of course, Marvel Earth has been through a lot before this, and people just tended to go about their normal lives afterwards. Judging from Hulk #87 and Cable/Deadpool #18, most people won't remember.
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Hasn't House of M finished up yet? Seems like issue #7 came out ages ago.
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Feel free to spoil me in a pm as to how it ended
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Feel free to spoil it here, too. Just use spoiler space and/or camouflage the text.
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I echo Miner. Spill the beans here if you would.
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so it is true:
wanda wished away most of the mutants. well they all still exist but powerless.
the heroes wake up, some remembering the battle with wanda and others having no clue what transpired. only heroes close to/protected by emma frost and/or dr. strange were protected from the memory lapse? unclear if this is also supposed to account for the mutants who retained their powers...but there are some inconsitstancies in the story...
only spider woman, she hulk, spidey (whos pissed) and luke cage seem to remember of the avengers. maybe ms. marvel too.
dr. strange shows up looking roughed up.
at x mansion:
emma frost wakes up in a field roughed up.
students are losing their powers left and right. most are extremely upset. kitty pryde can phase and remembers it all. cyclops wolvie nightcrawler emma frost and colossus have powers. but colossus has no recollection of what hapened. beast is still the beast....unlcear wether he remembers or not.
emma uses cerebra to try and locate mutants but the number of glowing lights she sees is very small. so they say there used to be tens pf thousands to maybe a million mutants before. emma can't find prof x anywhere. or maybe hes just not a mutant anymore...she cant find wanda either. maybe wanda wished away her power as well
they show dani moonstar upset...dont know if she lost her powers. but she lost her memory of house of m. iceman is shown defrosted and powerless.
they dont know if the mutant gene has been deleted or suppressed.
back at the avengers, theres an intruder at the old mansion. they go to investigate and find hawkeyes death notice...pinned up with arrows, along with his costume. hawkeyes alive i assume.
genosha: the xmen find magneto...powerless and maybe lacking a memory. he dosnt know where wanda or pietro are, or hes not talking.
then they end it with : henry pym making a speech while we see wanda shopping in some rural market. (looks european???? or something....whatever) hank pym (i thought it was hank mccoy first and thought that wouldve been more appropriate) talking about how the human race's evolution has been interrupted and where has all the energy of all those mutants powers gone in the universe, some cheesy line about everything in physics having an equal and opposite reaction...
no mention of number of mutants left.
but i did see the number of x books tied to the aftermath of this: 12
one of which is entitled 198.
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i'm bummed, why do these stories have to have some far reaching consequences...so we're gonna have 198 mutants again for a few years...until writers feel pigeon holed or sales are down and then some big event is going to put it all back?
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Ok so Hawkeye is back. Good. And that scene looks like it may be my favorite of the book.
Iceman defrosted? Dani Moonstar? Ofcourse some of my faves. There are some others that are better candidates in among the New Mutants or older mutant heroes (polaris for example).
heh. And all the mutant energy going "somewhere" sounds very cheesy. Where could it have gone? Find out next summer!
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Hmm, very surprised they depowered Iceman (at least for the time being). I would have thought they would have kept the core X-Men characters active and wiped out most of the newbies. So off the top of my head I would expect the ones with powers to be: Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Wolverine, Storm, Ice-Man, Rogue, Kitty Pride, Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Mystique and maybe a few others. Basically the ones that the general public would recognise (mostly from the films). You never know though, give it a year and they'll all probably start coming back.
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quicksilver must have his powers...other wise his new BOOK Son of M out in november...(does the sarcasm come through on this post)is going to be very boring.
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Originally posted by disaster boy:
quicksilver must have his powers...other wise his new BOOK Son of M out in november...(does the sarcasm come through on this post)is going to be very boring.
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The funniest thing while reading this issue, is recalling a line from Joe Q in a newsarama interview. He basically said in classic Joe Q style that Marvel was the place for creativity cuz Infinite Crisis was all editorial driven whereas all Marvel events were creator driven.
So how many creators volunteered to have their characters ripped from them? Oh well need to stay away from main mutant books, far away.
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Originally posted by Tamper Lad:
The funniest thing while reading this issue, is recalling a line from Joe Q in a newsarama interview. He basically said in classic Joe Q style that Marvel was the place for creativity cuz Infinite Crisis was all editorial driven whereas all Marvel events were creator driven.
So how many creators volunteered to have their characters ripped from them? Oh well need to stay away from main mutant books, far away. How many characters in active use are getting depowered though - especially when you consider that the NXM creative team, who would have lost quite a few characters, have been dumped? Literally, the only character I see in active present-day use (i.e., starred in a pre-HoM book which hasn't been cancelled or got new writers) who has been depowered is Iceman. And considering he was locked in ice form to start with, Milligan may even have asked for him to be depowered. Basically, AXM and UXM are apparently wholly unaffected, XM only has Iceman depowered, NXM's got new writers, Excalibur's cancelled and rebooted with a whole new cast of characters, Exiles has lost Beak, but he was going anyway, Cable/Deadpool... well Cable's still a mutant and he was depowered anyway, Wolverine... you're kidding - right?, Gambit, District X, and Rogue are cancelled.... any MU non-minis I've forgotten from May? (the last pre-HoM month)
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They didn't really say Iceman was depowered. He showed up in human form, no longer an ice-hunk. Maybe they used House of M to reset his form. He and Archangel are likely the token X-Men affected by the crossover, but I wouldn't say for sure just yet.
Ditto with Hawkeye's uniform. It wasn't clear if he was back. If he is, that was the worst death in comics.
I like the fact that Spidey remembers his time in the House of M, and how it plays out would be great to see. Based on the current storyline in his books tho', I'm guessing we won't see it picked up.
And Magneto is now human, powerless. That will last 3yrs til Marvel wants the X-Men's number one baddie back to cause mayhem. Come on, they didn't have the nerve to kill him, even when they did kill him.
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To be honest, the mutant universe was so cluttered it was hard to keep everything straight. I don't mind so much if things have been simplified. Unless of course the storylines are just crap, and then it won't matter anyways. I do kinda hope that Wanda is no longer a mutant. I doubt that they could redeem her, so I would prefer her to live out her life as a human. Unless, of course, they decide to expand on her magical abilities that Agatha Harkness taught her (and leave that whole mutant chaos magic thing in the past). The Marvel U could use a few more magic users
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i just skimmed through the book at the CBS but they show a big picture of the earth wiht some word ballons stating Netwon's laws about energy can't be created or destroyed just transformed and then show the same picture on the next page of the earth but with a red fire force looking thing and a word ballon saying for every action there is an opposite reaction.
what does that mean true belivers!
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I hope they have a good reason for doing this to Dani.
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'boot your link dosn't work. care to spoil us?
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Reboot seems to be having that problem with his links today for some reason. I think this was the thread he was pointing to.
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Originally posted by Gay-lipso:
Hmm, very surprised they depowered Iceman (at least for the time being). I would have thought they would have kept the core X-Men characters active and wiped out most of the newbies. So off the top of my head I would expect the ones with powers to be: Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Wolverine, Storm, Ice-Man, Rogue, Kitty Pride, Emma Frost, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Mystique and maybe a few others. Basically the ones that the general public would recognise (mostly from the films). You never know though, give it a year and they'll all probably start coming back. Not all of them. Most likely they'll give Iceman his powers back, and maybe a couple others I've read have lost their powers, but the vast majority will still remain powerless. I'd say the *potential* to be a mutant will return but that most mutants who lost their powers won't ever get their powers jump-started again. But it could be a heck of a next generation with literally millions of mutants born to all those ex-mutants.
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The way I'm hearing it, it looks like the X-gene is completly gone from those who lost their powers. It's not just a matter of kick starting the gene, they'd need to rewrite the DNA. Jean Grey might be able to do it, and maybe Elixer in a few decades. Seems more likely to me that some of the depowered characters would get diffent powers if anyone tried to fix them.
I really hope they've got long term plots in mind for those that got depowered. The only charactger that I can think of that stayed around without powers is Storm.
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Originally posted by Arachne:
The way I'm hearing it, it looks like the X-gene is completly gone from those who lost their powers. Frost speculates both ways in HoM8. Clarification will presumably be forthcoming and then ignored if it proves inconvienient.
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I've read the spoilers for HoM: The Day After (or whatever it's called); I'm not speculating.
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I knew I'd seen that somewhere, Arachne, but I couldn't remember if it was #8 or the book from next week. I'm curious as to how they made this determination so quickly.
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HOUSE OF M: THE DAY AFTER
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This was alright, for what it was. I don't particularly want to see any more mutants on X crosses again-- nor is the prospect of reading all these characters losing their powers very appealing. That said, the effects said loss will have on folk like Bobby Drake and Dani Moonstar (maybe she'll get her Valkyrie mojo back...) *could* be interesting. I'm just glad Cannonball and Magma 'made' the cut. Too bad about Winddancer, whose power usage was handled very well and showed lots of potential.
More than anything though, I find the elevation of Emma Frost more than a bit irritating. I enjoyed her as supporting cast/occasional lead. But as the female face of all things X? No.
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The more I think about these new developments, the more I think that, while many of the characters are different, Marvel has effectively hit their reset button and sent them back to the '60s status quo.
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Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
The more I think about these new developments, the more I think that, while many of the characters are different, Marvel has effectively hit their reset button and sent them back to the '60s status quo. Don't forget the '70s. Bendis won't let us. Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel, Power Man, Moon Knight, etc. All in all I think this series was a success. I'm not a Bendis superhero fan and I dug it. I like the less number of mutants.
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First a mutant massacre, then a mutant plague, then this ... marvel does a culling of the mutant population every once in awhile as a regular "event" just to throw some secondary characters as fodder for the grinder and shock us.
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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
First a mutant massacre, then a mutant plague, then this ... marvel does a culling of the mutant population every once in awhile as a regular "event" just to throw some secondary characters as fodder for the grinder and shock us. Well they do it as an "event" but I think it's because writers get out of control. During the Mutant Massacre there was already too many mutants. There has to be stronger editorialship that doesn't let it get out of control. I mean whenever I read an X title there was atleast 2 to 7 new mutants popping up. ohwell I'm glad about the little number of mutants...except for one guy...i'm very sad about losing his powers.
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Other than Olivier's art -- which was OK, but not his best -- this whole series was a complete waste. And the one tie-in I read, Uncanny X-Men, was muddled and had an absolutely wretched conclusion.
Other than random minis like Power Pack and New Warriors, I think I'm swearing off Marvel after this...
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I pray, pray, pray that folk like Pietro, Wanda and Lorna see the error of their ways and turn back to the "angels" they once were...Only Magneto is better suited for "evildom", his "goody-goody" act during the Claremont-Romita-Green run didn't fool me one bit
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