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I hate American Pie. I don't care who sings it.

It's not my favorite, but I don't see why people hate Sussudio so much.

The Velvet Underground's album (did it have a name, the banana one? was there more than one?) did nothing for me and yes I listened to it several times.

Not even me, sweetums?

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away

I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play

And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken

And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died

That last still gives me chills ... has been 30 years now. And no, I still don't know what the fuck it means!

fuck american pie, over played to death, just like stairway to heaven.
Susudio? the phil collins song?

"Girl you know it's true" from Milli Vanilli -- song just makes me want to shoot my radio.

Which would be a "heresy" if you loved it anyway. Is that what you're saying?

I get the impression heresy in this thread is you don't like a song everyone is supposed to think a classic.

Caroline will hate me for this but I don't think much of Elvis as a singer. Never really have. Although I will have to admit that the remix of his A Little Less Conversation is a good song and one I have on my MP3 list.

I like WILL TO POWER's late-80s remakes of Im Not in Love and Baby I Love Your Way better than the originals.

I know, I know...

Scooter I might have agreed with you re: Elvis through much of his career.

It was his later stuff like BURNING LOVE, SUSPICIOUS MINDS, IN THE GHETTO and whatnot that convinced me the guy COULD lay down a mean track.

I've never cared for Bruce Springsteen -- his songs or his singing. Both sound like a bunch of friends at a bar who've already had too much to drink.

Yes, I know: not only a heresy, but damn unpatriotic.

Hmmm... my music heresies...

"Emotions" by Mariah Carey. When she starts burping out those shrill staccato high notes, it makes me want to stab my eardrums with Q-tips.

"Shake your Bon Bon" - Ricky Martin. One of the worst follow-up dance singles ever.

I love Amy Grant, but her cover of "Big Yellow Taxi" is pretty despicable.

Please be gentle:

I hate Led Zepplin and think the Doors are overrated.

(I'm probably going straight to hell.)

Whitney Houston has always made me feel rather bilious actually. Though it is entertaining watching the way her chin wobble whenever she holds those <torturous> long notes.

But that's just my opinion

Speaking of BIG YELLOW TAXI... I adored the Counting Crows cover of it from earlier this year. Well done, boys!

'Binger-- drag queens seem fond of emulating that jaw-wobble too. It's pretty hysterical!

OMG, I was going to post the exact same thing earlier and forgot! YOU ARE NOT ALONE...

Mechana-- no argument from me re: Led Zep, though I *do* find the song Trampled Underfoot to be pretty sexy...

The Doors, overrated?!?! BURN THE WITCH!!!!! ;-D

I can take or leave Led Zep. I like "Trampled Under Foot," and "Fool In the Rain" (dig the piano), but most of the rest haven't worn well with age, particularly "Stairway to Heaven," which should have been retired from classic rock stations 10,000 plays ago.

Agree about the stairway to Boredom thoughts, though Battle of Evermore and When the Levee Breaks from the same album are just superb!

I also like Fool in the Rain HWW, it's definitely the stand out track on that album.

Sorry but I have no memory of album titles.

Now if thats not fucking BLASPHEMY, nothing is, ZEPPELIN RULE!!
for a group putting out music in the late 60s they were wayyyyyyyyyyy ahead of their time, being rip off artists and all
when the levee breaks, holy fuck, ever hear of memphis minnie, thats her song, sung by her husband joe. Jimmy Page just took that song and
said geeeee look what i wrote.

Now The Doors
FUCK THE DOORS
Carnival music.

but most of the rest havent worn well with age??
come again?
like what?
You do realize led zeppelin just released a 3 cd and 2 dvd set that was number 1 on billboard?
If their stuff hasnt aged well, then why would it be #1? for a band that hasnt been together for 23 years?
but some songs are just plain tiring
fool in the rain
rock n roll
black dog
immigrant song

just an opinion with some fact thrown in

LOL This was the response I was waiting for. Sorry, Lab.

Danny Blaine is my new best friend.

I don't suppose you like jazz do you?

A little bit. Haven't really listened to it alot...

For those who have posted without confessing their own heresy, I quote the excellent Detective-Sergeant Howard: "Oh, c'mon! You don't come to a show-your-warts party with clean skin. It's rude."

One more, I actually liked the Grease 2 soundtrack...

It's called "The Velvet Underground and Nico".

They made five studio albums in all, but the fifth was made without any of the original members involved.

I think the Grateful Dead are a better idea on paper than they are as an actual band.

In Through The Out Door.

I've never understood the appeal of most of the songs or albums that make it to Number One. After all, this puts Led Zep in the same league as Phil Collins' No Jacket Required.

An underrated disc, I always thought. Mostly because JPJ's keyboards tend to dominate instead of Page's guitar.

As a prog fan, I am often accused of heresy by other proggies when I point out that Emerson, Lake, & Palmer blow chunks.

Music Heresies...great idea for a thread!

Okay sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world that thinks U2 are over-rated, "right-on" wankers that never had an original thought in their "creative" lives.

Oh yes and The Smiths...will someone tell that ponce to stop whining and sing properly.

The Beetles suck. Especially Paul McCartney.

Sortb of linked to that while I do think that some of the Beetles songs are well written and can be done really well by other performers the originals are pretty crappy. The same goes for Bob Dylan (the world's most godsawful singer ever, but a pretty good writer) and Elton John (whose singing voice just bugs me, but he does write greats songs).

Oh, and Elton John especially deserves to burn in Hell for re-writing and completely mangling Candle In The Wind. What was a brilliant, touching song turned into unmittigated sentimental pish. Doesn't help that I have absolutely no love for Diana but Elton John should know by now he can't write lyrics. No wonder Bernie Taupin pointedly said he had nothing to do with the re-write.

I can't stand Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey. Screechy, talentless, self important and generally completely unloveable. ick ick ick. I also hate Celine Dion and put her in the same class as Witless Howling and Mariah but then again almost everyone hates Celine so that's probably not heresy.

Oh, and I prefer Annie Lennox's version of Whiter Shade Of Pale to the original.

How the hell I let those talentless nobodies slip my mind I'll never know! Couldn't agree more...

EL, right on! I can not stand U2. Most over-rated band in history! They may have a few passable songs but that's it. They are not the be all end all of Irish rock. The Pogues and the Saw Doctors come to mind as Irish bands deserving more of the spotlight than Bono and his talentless crew.

yes
the beetles suck
thats why i like the BEATLES, you fucking illiterate fucks!!

and if berne taupin didnt rewrite the song for diana, who did?

whoever it was there's a queue forming to give them a right good beating!

And given the media whipped hype here in London during that time it's a wonder there weren't more "stars" turning out this sort of turgid nonsense. He really did massacre a very pretty song.

Yup I actually like quite a few of Elton's songs.

And the Beetles.

The Beatles had a couple songs that were for the dogs (revolution no 9 and such), but I blame Yucko for those.

Other than that, The Beatles rule.

My personal heresies are Tiffany singing a Beatles song that she didn't have the range for...

Fish Heads is like the worst song ever...

And I'll jump on the anti-U2 wagon... could they be any suckier?

I was never partial to The Cure's sound either. Nothing worse than whiney, depressed males with an audience.

ya know, U2 is ok, as long as you dont go past the 3rd album i think
Fuck bono, asshole, why dont you take ALL your fucking money and donate it to charity instead of living in a mansion.
Journey now theres a band that can really put fucking shit out. Steve Perry, christ, great voice but what an ugly fuck. Neil Schon, great guitarist, too bad he wrote gay songs.
Loverboy, growing up in canada i had loverboy thrown in my face non stop. It drove me insane, and the songs OH MY GOD!!!
WANNA PIECE OF MY HEART
BETTER START FROM THE START

start from the start?? WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF LYRIC IS THAT??

and wanna hear something funny, i had to endure a loverboy concert just to see the band i wanted to see. Even though the band i wanted to see was opening i couldnt leave til my ride arrived after the concert. Ohhhhhhhhhhh Loverboy had a glow in the dark stage.

Anybody mention Queen yet?

QUEEN rules.

I too will join the anti-U2 bandwagon, although the song Faraway, So Close is a personal favorite.

And yes, I realize how important The Beatles and Rolling Stones were/are to the music scene... but I just am ambivalent towards about 90-99% of their songs...

So you're saying that you dig it anyway, right?

No, I am saying that Tiffany singing a Beatles song that she doesn't have the range to sing in the first place, is an afront to music. And thereby heretical.

The way The Beatles sing the song is way beyond compare.

Then that's her heresy, not yours.

C'mon, Tiffany is an easy target.

Admit to not liking something with critical acclaim/hipster status. Or loving the lowbrow, the stuff the think you shouldn't.

If I have to see that pasty faced creep from the White Stripes again, I'm going to have a conniption. Who the hell decided this is what passes for good rock these days? "Look at me and my big schtick! I don't have a bass player, get it? Eh, eh? I let my semi-talented ex-wife play drums and we dress in funny outfits! Hmm?"

And I will risk flying in the face of the tastes of about half this board when I say that without a doubt in my mind that prog "rock" was the worst, most boring anti-rock music ever. Thank God punk came along to remind a dulled generation that you didn't have to go to Oxford to start a band.

I admit to being thoroughly unimpressed with The White Stripes when I saw them on SNL. Yeah, it was different that it was JUST him banging away on his guitar and her pounding on the drums but it wasn't good interesting.

Fortunately, Beck is next week's guest and I'll get to see him sing LOST CAUSE... I *still* need to buy the SEA CHANGE cd...!

I like the White Stripes' video that was made in the medium of LEGO...

appaently Jack White of the white stripes is one of the worlds greatest guitar players. Apparently better then eddie van halen and a host of others. I thought it would be kinda early in his career to get such praises but what the fuck do i know.

Bevis, for the most part I agree with you 100%. I never really like the Beatles (the Dave Clark 5 were much cuter). Many of the Beatles songs, after (or maybe, starting with) Revolver sounded like novelty jingles.

Elton John was great with "Your Song", the soundtrack from "Friends" and the "Tumbelweed Connection" album (especially "Burn Down the Mission"). After that, he started getting silly, and after that he started getting schmaltzy (for which he must never be forgiven.)

Whitney, Maria and Celine -- I so agree. As a Canadian, I'm so ashamed of the musical exports that have become popular. They are so mediocre. However, we have so many wonderful voices - listen to Patricia O'Callaghan if you can. She does the most amazing version of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujiah".

The one Point I must disagree on is "Whiter Shade of Pale". This is possibly my very favorite song, ever!, and although I love many versions (including Willie Nelson's), it's a Procol Harum classic and always will be. It is such a great song about getting drunk. (or at least that's how I interpreted it).

Don't you get it, LABRADORIAN? No bass player. Ex-wife on drums. Matching red and white outfits! Do I have to spell it out for you? Best guitar player ever! Genius!!!

Elton John. Showed without a doubt that while he can write a good tune he can't write lyrics to save his life even when he only has to change a word or two here. I mean "Goodbye England's rose"? Apart from being a hideously twee sentiment there's also the fact that Diana (the stupid bint) WAS PRINCESS OF WALES. Ack.

As for Whiter Shade Of Pale I have to say that i don't dislike the original, just I prefer Annie's version. It should be said though that I tend to prefer female singers anyway so it could be partially due to that (plus I'd always put Annie Lennox in my top 4 singers ever).

I must have missed the part where we were putting standards on the heresies here.

Are you saying that you liked her rendition of that song? When she hits the first part of the note then has the guitar take over for the higher pitches... well that heresy is big enough for everyone to share. Its not my fault that she put it out there, I am just pointing it out; easy target or not. I kinda thought that's what this thread was about.

I must have also missed the part where her rendition of that song acquired critical acclaim/hipster status. Or maybe I am not understanding what you are trying to say.

As for the low brow, now your in my target zone.

I'm a big Jefferson Airplane/Starship fan, but my own personal heresy is I can't stand Grace Slick's songs other than "White Rabbit." "Greasy Heart" is okay, albeit incomprehensible, and "Lather" is sort of fun, but they're far from indispensible. Most of her songs are obscure in meaning and impossible to sing or hum. Perhaps she's just way out of my league of musical comprehension. Or perhaps the empress has no clothes (a statement which she might once have taken as a dare).

"Somebody to Love" is a classic.

Grace did not write "Somebody to Love." It was written by her then brother-in-law, Darby Slick.

I'm a Canadian living in the States. Usually I'm pretty patriotic (Canada, that is). However, when it comes to Canadian music exports, I'm generally repulsed. My hate list is:

Anne Murray (boring)
Alanis Morrisett (screeching idiot)
Murray MacLaughlan (and I knew his brother)
Celine Dione (boring)
Chantal Krevajiak (or whatever her name is)
BTO (Bachman Turner Overdrive)
Shania Twain (pretty but really boring)
Nelly Furtado

I love my country, but we can do so much better.

On the plus side, I do love

Gordon Lightfoot
Patricia O'Callaghan
Michael Buble
The Guess Who

Sorry, He Who Wanders, I was thinking of songs that she sang. And I do love that one.

I love The Guess Who, too, and BTO had some decent songs (loved "Let It Ride"), even though Randy Bachman couldn't sing his way out of a raincoat.

I agree. "STL" is a classic.

As for Grace's singing, I do love her voice, and her unconventional style. She brought a lot to the compositions by other band members and even to the Starship songs that suck. (The only part of "Sara" I can listen to without drifting off into slumberland is her vocalizing at the end.)

Orignially posted by: He Who Wanders:

I agree. "STL" is a classic.

As for Grace's singing, I do love her voice, and her unconventional style. She brought a lot to the compositions by other band members and even to the Starship songs that suck. (The only part of "Sara" I can listen to without drifting off into slumberland is her vocalizing at the end.) [/qb][/QUOTE]

Have you ever been to San Francisco? The Jefferson Airplane house is well known, on Fulton Street ( right beside Golden Gate Park).

I've been to San Francisco once -- in 1985, on a family trip. Unfortunately, no one else was much interested in trying to find 2400 Fulton.

I have to admit you're good. I didn't know the address. In fact, I had to think twice about the street (even thoug I've live in SF for 20 years).

(PS - you're helping me be 1 away from 150 posts - my personal goal for today).

It's about 'fessing up to your own supposed taste shortcomings.

My what is? My 45 of Buckner & Garcia's "Pac-man Fever"?

I bought the "Candle in the Wind" remake CD for curiosity about an orchestral arrangement of what Elton sang at that funeral. But I kept it for what used to be, in the days of 45s, called the "B side," "Something else else About the Way You Look Tonight." One of his best recent works, a solid performance.

I cry every time I hear Elton's "Last Song." For four friends I have lost. Yes, you know how.

So sue me.

I don't reply on the subject of "heresies," as such, because I don't endorse the concept of "heresy," as such. Not in religion, nor in discourse, nor in artistic tastes. It presumes that someone else sets the standards. I set my own, and I know what I like.

But Canada gave us DOA, nomeansno, The Hanson Brothers and Huevos Rancheros...Canada Rocks!!!

OK, I get you now...

My own taste short comings, hmmmm...

It surprises the hell out of me that nobody has mentioned Wierd Al Yankovic yet... or Ray Stevens. I could listend to "Polkas on 45s" all day long.

If you think that was good, check out www.starship.pp.se. It's full of JA bios, a history and other info, mostly written by yours truly.

And congratulations on post # 150. I'm always glad to help out wherever I can!

If you mean that it's a taste shortcoming to like Weird Al's songs (as opposed to not like them), then I, too, plead guilty. I still love the lyrics of "Eat It" after all these years, and I LOLed at "Smells Like Nirvana" and "Amish Paradise."

Besides, who do you think was the inspiration for my parodies over on Bits o' Legionnaire Business?

Ray Stevens ... "The Streak"! Another heresy worth being heretical about.

I like Christina Aquilera.

And am not afraid to admit it!!

:rolleyes:

You have a point there.

On the other side of things, I think Marty Balin was underrated.

I agree. Very underrated. Marty had a way of taking the schmaltziest love ballads and making them sincere: "Miracles," "Count On Me, "Runaway," and even going back to the Airplane with "Comin' Back to Me" and "Today." As cliched as it sounds, he was soul of the band, counterpointing Slick and Kantner's soaring melodies and ideologies.

BTW, congrats on # 600, OM!

Thanks!

Agreed about Balin. He appears to have been more of a prime mover on the SF scene then people realize.

I got to interview three original members of the Airplane (Bob Harvey, Signe Anderson and Jerry Peloquin) and they were all very candid about Marty's business sense in founding the Airplane.

Are they on the site you linked to earlier?

Yep. www.starship.pp.se

Excellent! I will have to check that out.