Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! SPOILER: Karate Kid and JLU

Hi, this is actually my first post on this board, but I am a long time fan of the Legion, and I am also a big fan of the new series and hope that it can last.

Now for the purpose of my message...

Is Karate Kid a new member of the JLA?

In the latest issue of Wizard, there is a large pic of about 40 or so heroes that are shown as being potential members of the new JLA. Way in the back of the team pic is Karate Kid (current version). I wonder if there isn't a Kara/Val swap in the near future...

Any insight from anyone?

--Tim

HI Cotton King.

Can't answer your question, but I can say "Welcome to Legion World!"

I hope it's not KK. These time swaps never went over well with me.

Wow. Nice catch.



The image is a bit suspect since Dr. Fate is no longer alive and no longer looks that way. I hope they aren't changing Green Arrow's outfit to that. Yuck.

KK switching eras isn't without precedent.

And DC *does* seem to be on a bit of a 70s jag lately....


LET THE SPECULATION RUN RAMPANT!!!!

Some other interesting inclusions in that picture as well as some very interesting omissions.

I see Tempest, Troia, & Cyborg but no Nightwing Arsenal or Starfire. Could it mean that Dick, Kory & Roy don't survice IC? Or is that maybe Dick wearing the Bat cowl as has been speculated?

Both Supergirl & Power Girl are on that cover. Maybe Kara will only be a part time, time traveling Legionnaire (as in the original Legion)

Is that The Guardian in the center just above Cyborg's left shoulder? That would be cool. Cooler still if that was actually Mal Duncan (who was the Guardian prior to being Herald.

Nice to see Red Tornado in the picture next to Ralph (who seems to be wearing fishnet stockings at first glance, though I imagine that means Zatanna is standing next to him off cover )

Is that the new Blue Beetle below KK or is it maybe Bummblebee in a new version of her outfit?

Also nice to see Adam Strange, Black Lightning and the Phantom Stranger included. They have long been JLA allies (and quasi members)

Four Lanterns are depicted (Hal, Kyle, John & Guy) so I guess they all survived IC)

Is that Wally or Bart (or maybe even Barry)? Enquiring minds want to know!

You can just make out Booster's arm and lower torso, just above the partial body of Diana, so it appears they both survived also.

And finally, is that Metamorpho or Shift? Hmmmmmm...

As for those not depicted...

Besides Dick, Roy and Kory (already mentioned) I find it odd that Barda isn't there next to Mr Miracle. And there is no Superboy (but I wouldn't necessarily expect him to be up for JLA membership) But most surprising, and of most concern to me, there is no Matian Manhunter and no Capt. Marvel Jr!

PS: Who is the dark skinned femal below Fate and next to Kendra? Almost looks like Dani Moonstar!

That's Vixen

Is that Arsenal behind the "M" in "America"?

Looks like the new Blue Beetle.

Other interesting tidbits:
I love that the Question is there. Less so that he's colored brown instead of blue.

I like that they have Capt Atom in his silver look - the Kingdom Come looks he has now is ugly.

There's a little person on Ralph's shoulder (the Atom?), but s/he's almost completely in shadow. Hmmm...

Well I just spoiled myself a bit and got the trade so now I'm only 6 or so issues behind everyone else.

I reiterate everything anyone ever said about those issues.

But I didn't see any hints of time traveling. Maybe that's what the spinner racks are for?

It might be. Does Arsenal have an Omega on his belt?

There are definitely inconsistencies here, though, because Dr. Light (the chick) and Captain Atom shouldn't be able to be in the Justice League.

I'm happy to see Fire, though!! I like her. And Kyle. And a Flash that is too tall to be Bart. Uhm... yeah.

In "JSA:Classified" #2, Lightning Lad said: "I told Brainiac 5 the time traveling was going to mess with her head. Look at what it did to Karate Kid."

That ended up not being the real Lightning Lad(?), but this could be either a clue or a red herring. Even if KK doesn't end up in the JLA, at least it appears that he will be "present" and availlable [SIC?] for membership consideration.

Man, I so wanna see KK kick Batman's ass!

BTW, that's not a cover. It's an image Wizard commisioned for this article that speculates on Brad Meltzer's upcoming JLA series.

In other words, they could have asked for anybody to appear in it.

Whose hand do you think it is holding the membership notices, or whatever they are?

Nice spotting on the 'little person' perching on Elongated Man's shoulder-- I missed that completely.

Now I want to see Ralph adopt a costume with fishnets ...

Is that Shilo in the Mr. Miracle costume, or Scott?

Hope Ollie's readoption of this uniform isn't long-lasting. If he *had* to go back to a different look, I'd rather he went all the way back to the GA look over this one. The 70's costume is the one to stick with, IMO.

Guardian, KKid and the 'little person' are the surprises to me.

The trouble with an image like this one is that whatever lineup is actually settled upon could pale in comparison.

I hope they go for a JL Unlimited-like roster. It'd be kind of interesting if *some* Titans or Outsiders or Doom Patrollers were simultaneously League members. Some openly, some in secret?

Also, the only two missing in the fold (Sorry!) is Wonder Woman and Booster Gold.

Hey! Good point. I got used to the idea of multiple Flashes when Waid wrote Flash a few years ago, it'd be pretty cool to see somebody else take that idea and work it into the JLA again.


I thought it was the Ultra-Alien ...ultra-something..

Don't know why though, what would he be doing in a JLA promo image?


..and really, that's the new Blue Beetle? One that carries the scarab and has super-powers?

edit: Ralph does look like he's taking "a walk on the wild side"

I'd have a huge problem with any of the Legionnaires leaving the 31st Century to join the JLA!!! Karate Kid belongs with the Legion...besides, just like someone said earlier, these swaps never work out, unless it's Superboy or Supergirl going to assist the LSH!!!

This probably doesn't mean anything, but what's Green Arrow holding in his hand??

that's a cool promo picture, excellent art by ED BENES !!

i'd love for the JLofA to be a big group like it used to be, and they just have to have that original logo back [ in the shield shape ]

not sure what to make of the Karate Kid trade off ??

but still looking forward to seeing what comes up .........

Matthew.

I thought it looked like the head on a trick arrow, but who knows...

Hmmmm.... I see it's the Justice League of America again, hey?
Does that mean that Aussies like me don't get no protection no more? What a rip.

Oh yeah - that Guardian is the one from Seven Soldiers... Hmmmmm. I liked that character, and am intrigued as to the implications of choices like that. Of course, this is just a promo piece, but...

It's funny they say they are not trying to be like the animated JLU with a big lineup. Yet Vixen (the one in question) looks very similiar to her JLU self here.

Personally I think it's a good idea. I love seeing the big lineup in the cartoon. I mean watching the cowboy Vigilante fighting Thanagarians on an alien planet? Nice.

Back to KK being in the JLA? Geez, I am very against interacting with the 21st century. It's all the same mistakes they did the first time.

And you know there's no way the Question would've been included in that shot if it weren't for the cartoon. I wonder how much leeway the artist had in terms of who to include?

For an article about Meltzer's JLA, lookee here:
The Pulse

I figure its a promo piece, so it doesn't mean much.

Still, like others, I like the idea of a big JLA like this, with all the traditional big guns, and some secondary characters too that really get a chance to shine. Though perhaps a limit at some point?

I have to say that I really like the idea of the SS Guardian being in the JLA too if that were to come to pass.

And you know what? I actually kind of like KK in the JLA, but wouldn't he belong in the Titans? I certainly don't want any teenagers in the JLA. The idea of strong Legion connections to the past through Supergirl, Karate Kid, Mon-El and Superman when he was a boy is very pleasing to me--even after all the screw-ups over the years that have resulted from such things.

Well since one's done one yet... here is the breakdown of heroes we see according to my eye.
Starting top left..

Animal Man, Fire, Arsenal?, Firehawk, Ion, Metamorpho, Mister Miracle, Adam Strange, Guy, the Mahattan Gurdian, Tempest, new Blue Beattle, Karate Kid, Dr Fate, Troia, Question, Firestorm, Dr Light II, someone with blonde hair?

Next row from the left....

Aquaman, Power Girl, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Phantom Stranger, Huntress, Black Lighting, Captain Atom, Cyborg, Hawkman, Booster Gold-but why can't you see his face?, Vixen, Hawkgirl, Red Torando, Atom, Elgonated Man and Zantanna.

Bottom Row....

Green Lantern Hal Jordan, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Flash, Green Lantern John Stwert, Wonder Woman - but why no face again?, Batman and Superman.

Two Questions then....

So we have all everyone but one curical memeber of every JL. Where the heck is J'onn J'onzz?

Qho is the hand that is giving them the cards?

I'm just amazed that no one has commented on the fact that whoever scanned in that cover, or drawing, folded it over to hide some of the details.

Look at the lettering, instead of the character drawings...

What is being hidden? and why?

They don't want give away what's going to happen to him in IC.

I say thee nay! That's my main problem with the teenagers thing. IMO the Legion is the JLA of the 31st century. Heck, they can be the JLA, JSA, and the Teen Titans since they are a Legion! I hate forcing them into just teenagers. My Legion was the brightest and the best of the 31st century...like the JLA. Waid thinks the teenager thing is a primary element...I don't.

Also Supergirl(Kara) was never a Teen Titan that I know of. But she was in the JLA (as well as Legion).

I agree that the teen element isn't so crucial to what my notion of the Legion is. Having a wider range of ages would've been a cool way to reinvent the Legion but I do like that Waid changed things up, reimagining the Legion as a social movement and that there are thousands of Legionnaires now.

As for teens in the JLA, I'm not against the concept, as long as the JLA remains the top tier level of heroes on the planet - I've never been into the JLA lineups that were filled with unproven talent. (bwa-ha-ha JL aside cuz it was just funny, but it didn't really seem like the *JLA* until they added some power).

Kara wasn't but Supergirl (Matrix) was. And isn't she still around somewhere?

I'm the one who scanned it in. Wizard magazine is bound in a way that makes it hard to spread out and the only things that are missing are:

Me thinks Abin has been watching Conspiracy Theory too much.

Darn it Gary, you could have mentioned that earlier...

**Grumble, Grumble, Grumble**

Now I gotta go back to my hand-drawn maps of the grassy knoll...

Okay, had to go out today and hunt down a copy but here is the full image so everyone can see what was 'missing'.

Like Abin wasn't there the first time around. Riiiiight.

I am so totally flumoxed by the thing next to Dr Light's head -- is that Dr Mid-Nite's owl or something, I mean -- what is that?!?!

I think you're right Drake, that could well be the owl. Only other thing I can come up with is another Hawk's headgear...but both Hawkgirl and Hawkman are depicted already.

Not unless his owl is metal. I thought it was Skeet.

I think it's supposed to be the Demon.

Scott, how did you get the full image without ripping the pages out of the book? (Or did you? )

Could it be Orion's helmet?

Its only Wizard. I usually rip them up for pictures anyway. If you look close enough you can see where I can never get the colors to match exactly when piecing two images together. For some reason one is always darker color even when I don't change the settings.

Could be. I don't think it is anything organic because you can see the metallic flash on it.

I agree. Orion was a member; was Etrigan ever one?

From the linework I don't think it's metallic. The computer coloring is modeled enough to be misleading (one of the things I hate about computer coloring in the wrong hands is when they make everything look shiny), but I don't see it as metallic flash - it's not as shiny as how the colorist rendered the other metallic objects. (why am I starting to feel like we're examining the Zapruder film?) If there's a version out there without the title over it, we might have an answer.

I also don't see how it could be Orion's helmet -- his helmet's silver (unless he has another one).

After some online research, I found a clean (and larger) version that answers the question.
here's the link:
JLA
A-ha!!

I'll be darned...it IS an owl. Good eye.

The illusion of Ralph wearing fishnets is shattered by the full image of Zatanna...and it was SUCH a giggle...

The "bigger" image answers most of the previous questions however in typical comic book mystery fashion I see there's a NEW mysterious figure in the pic.

SO ...on to round TWO!

Well, I am back again since I made the original post about this topic, and I have been entertained by the very good detective work by you guys here. But I have a new one to add. Go to the link posted just a few posts before this one by I think DrakeB3004, and page down the webpage below the colored version of the JLA pic, and you will see the uncolored inked version, and guess what... Karate Kid is not in the pic...!

Curiouser and curiouser...

Have fun with this one guys...!

--Tim

P.S. Barry, if you are tuning in to these messages, feel free to post any teaser comments...

I wouldn't think much of that character, but if it weren't for the fact that "the Atom" (or whoever) is also draped in shadow... i duuno. There's so little to go on with that figure though, it's almost pointless (but when has that ever stopped us?)

Also, good catch Cotton King - interesting tidbit (he also make John Stewart bald originally...)

So the new figure in the upper left corner is either someone in shadow, or Wildcat (since his uniform is that coloring...).

Uh- I still see Karate Kid in the link in DrakeB3004's post.

Oops- sorry, I didn't closely read your post Cotton King. The b&w shot indeed *doesn't* include KKid. Wonder which came first and if it matters?

Update from Comics Continuum on the JLU appearance by the Legion:

The Legion of Super-Heroes will be featured along with Supergirl in an upcoming episode of Cartoon Network's Justice League Unlimited.

In the episode, Supergirl is kidnapped to the 31st century for what the history books say was her last adventure. The Fatal Five appears, as do more than 20 Legionaires.

Among the Legion members in the episode are Brainiac 5 and Bouncing Boy.

The Legion's appearance has nothing to do with the Legion show in development at Warner Bros. Animation.

yipeee!!!!!! ANY Legion will do, can't wait to see Bouncing Boy!!! YeAAHHHHHHH!!!! *happy dancing*

I love JLU!!!

I just keep reading this phrase over and over

me too

I have so much to look forward to now.

Good to see that neither Kimiyo nor Cap were forgotten.

Not so fast! My first thought was "Well, that's where Nightwing is in this shot." It only makes sense since Tempest, Troia, Arsenal, & Cyborg are there that Dick would appear as well.

I will admit it COULD be Wildcat but my money is on Nightwing.

Sort of an update on the schedule. A rep from the Cartoon Network said that there are no plans to air the final nine episodes until late spring/summer. No definitive dates have been set.

Bouncing Boy--- YESSSSSSSSSS!

yay fer BB! Wasn't he shown for like a second in the Superman TAS Legion? He was like lounging around or something...

Clues are supposedly present throughout the first 12 issues as to some of the questions that have been raised.

With regard to Karate Kid & the JLA, I think there's a clue in #12 when Ultra Boy asks of Karate Kid if the way Jo is fighting is the way Superman would have done it.

Seems to me that the implication is that Karate Kid has first-hand knowledge of Superman.

I was afraid of that. I check CN's site over the weekend to find out what time the show started on the 8th and found it is NOT on their schedule.

I will never understand why this show does not get the love from CN. It is arguably the best animated TV show on TV right now. Watch the Booster Gold episode and you'll see what I mean.

Back on Topic, I'm sure that it is indeed Arsenal on the right of Fire. It is much clearer when you see it in Wizard.

Jamie
Wishes they would issue JL and JLU as boxed sets.

ok now that Drake has posted the bigger version,
who is the mysterious figure is shadow next
to Animal Man and behind Aquaman??
since J'onn is not in the Pic could it be him??
Hmmmmmmmmm,...........

The Guy in yhe Gimp suit? yeah who is that?

It's probably someone named Echo. Wasn't THAT dissapointing? (I almost mistyped Ech instead. Heh.)

Check out the original art for this piece . . .

SANS KARATE KID ! ! !

Benes Wizard OA


Hmmmmmm.

LLLLater!

Any ideas on this friends?????

Val "Forrest Gumped" his way into the pic...

And what's happened with the blue skined Icemaiden?
I want a new feral Crimson Fox too!

Wasn't Icemaiden retconned as Ice who was then killed years later in an issue of JLI?

I think they turned out to be two different characters or something.

DC sure likes handing out the headache powders, don't they? (holds head in his hands and groans loudly)

Well, at least we now for sure that it's Roy in the pic.

And I thought Val's inclusion was a red herring, anyway. A throwback to his SA series and nothing more.

Jamie

Looks like it was a red herring. got the first issue....zero LSH content....

Looks like some heroes got changed in the final product.

And I just noticed: Why does Arsenal/Speedy have a Robin R on his belt buckle?

Because it's Rsenal now. That's how all the cool kids at DC editorial spell it.

Isn't he going to be 'Red Arrow'?

Well... it does mention Legion flight rings

So now we are back to this version of Superman knowing about the Legion.

Could Kara have told him after coming back?

Well Bruce says "It's like that ring you once showed me, Clark...". That sounds to me more like it was something that happened in the past, not in the past year.

I hope you guys aren't suggesting Meltzer re-write Adv. 247 into a 7 part mini-series in the style of Identity Crisis for the threeboot continuity.