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New Wizard has a new preview of the Waid/Kitson Legion series plus a cover? Im a little nervous this time that favorite characters might be gone or changed to we cant tell who's who. Iv'e been reading this book since 1978 and this "reboot" might change everything down to the core!
Some blurbs from the article called Legion Lore
. Mark Waid says "this time next summer Legion of Super Heroes will be DC's number one book"
. Dan Didio "gave Waid a blank slate to build the team and the entire 31st centuryfrom the ground up"
. Waid "you will see VERSIONS of the big Legion guns like Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, et al, but Waid warned "there's no guarantee you'll recognize them" Were messing with character looks, the makeup of the team and the worlds they come from.
. first issues - A first kiss, a first meeting, and a blow out fight between members. The goal is to keep readers on there toes!
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Oy vey. "Blank slate", "messing with the characters". Wake me when this nightmare is over. :rolleyes:
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Good golly Miss Molly! Why do they always think they have to completely reinvent the wheel. Just give us some good, well crafted stories, with appealing art and the Legion will do just fine!  If you want to change everything why even bother calling it the Legion of Super Heroes. Just create a new team with new names and new origins and call it something else. LEAVE MY LEGION ALONE!
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From Wizard #154, August 2004 - ![[Linked Image]](http://www.legionworld.net/images/LSH.jpg) <font size="8">LEGION LORE</font s> <font size="6"> Waid, Kitson provide future forecast</font s> <font size="6"> M</font s>ark Waid makes quite a boast about his upcoming stint on DC's new Legion of Super-Heroes series: "This time next summer, it will be DC's No. 1 book." Quite a proclamation about a series that normally resides near the 90s in Diamond's Top 100. Even Waid himself admits that, "Legion, for whatever reason, has been synonymous with impenetrable. Our first, last and most important goal is to change that." To that end, come December with Legion of Super-Heroes #1, DC gives Waid and artist Kitson ( Empire) a blank slate to build the team and the entire 31st century from the ground up. Proclaimed DC's V.P. of Editorial Dan DiDio, "As we continue to reexamine the storylines and direction of our series in current continuity, it only makes sense that we see changes in the DCU of the future as well." Waid concurred, adding, "This gives us the perfect launching pad for a new take on the future. It's the same thing I do in Fantastic Four-let's pretend we're reinventing it brand new from the ground up to make it accessible, but still keep that sense of history." To that end, you will see versions of the big Legion guns like Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, et al, but Waid warned, "there's no guarantee you'll recognize them. We're messing with character looks, the makeup of the team and the worlds they come from. There's constant friction between them and the United Planets. They're indie rock, and as soon as they sign to a label, their integrity is gone." Not only does Waid have some housecleaning to do, he's got to put on an addition as well. "We're bumping up the page count to 30 pages each issue," explained Waid. "That will give us plenty of elbow room to handle the big cast. We can do the big action sequences and still have room for the character-driven stuff. There's no excuse for there not being a major event every issue, be it a first kiss, a first meeting, a blowout fight between member. That's the goal-keep readers on their toes." ANDY SERWIN Okay. Now I'm worried. I suggest that Waid stop trying to re-invent the wheel and just tell us some good LEGION stories about the characters that we know and love. If you write it they will come. This kind of crap is just turning me off. I don't think I'll like the new series. 
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Oops! Looks like you guys took the words out of my mouth as I was typing that up.
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I dunno. If we're not going to get the original Legion back (and we're not, without *massive* changes in DC's attitude), I'd just as soon see a radically different continuity and version of the team than continue on with the current version, which in so many ways just feels like a hollow shell of the classic Legion.
I'm remaining cautiously optimistic.
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cool image .... btw !!!!
and the LEGION look sexy !!!!
i for one, can't wait to see what this new series brings to the teams mythos !!!!
i have actually pretty much enjoyed every version of the LEGION over the years, and i have every faith in MARK WAID to return the magic .....
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Guessing as much as anything else, but Cos, Imra, Garth and Tinya in the front row?
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Originally posted by Sanity or Madness?:
Guessing as much as anything else, but Cos, Imra, Garth and Tinya in the front row? i was thinking along those lines !!! but that pose for "Tinya" looks too powerful, don't you think ??? more like a "supergirl" type character ...... Matthew.
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What's getting me overall about this, is how in every interview, Waid's been selling the relaunch as being a blank sheet of paper, no connection to what's gone before, etc...
...then Barry's come along behind and said, in posts @ Newsarama, posts here, etc; yes it is the same continuity, yes these are the same characters.
Seems odd, almost some sort of disconnect.
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Originally posted by Sanity or Madness?:
What's getting me overall about this, is how in every interview, Waid's been selling the relaunch as being a blank sheet of paper, no connection to what's gone before, etc...
...then Barry's come along behind and said, in posts @ Newsarama, posts here, etc; yes it is the same continuity, yes these are the same characters.
Seems odd, almost some sort of disconnect.  guess we'll just have to wait an see ...... Matthew.
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Originally posted by Varalent: [quote]If you want to change everything why even bother calling it the Legion of Super Heroes. Just create a new team with new names and new origins and call it something else.
LEAVE MY LEGION ALONE! i agree with Vee, this is just like what Marvel is doing with the Starjammers, they've rectoned the whole thing, no relation to the X-men,no Corsair, no Shi'ar empire, only the name is the same. but i will remain optimistic.
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I love it. I'm proud to be a part of it. I can't wait for this.
I'm overly optimistic, and I'd like to predict that the people here who already don't like it will be changing their minds. And I liked the re-boot. That's what got me into the LoSH. I may have to take up customizing again.
By the way, I'm a Cubs fan and always have been... So really, what do I know?
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DC's # 1 title???
QUITE a boast... and not one you see every day.
I'm interested to see if Waid can put into practice what he is preaching.
They couldn't have selected a better teaser image. It's lovely.
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The proof will be in the pudding.
If the stories are good, whether or not it's a reboot won't matter
If they aren't, whether or not it's a reboot won't matter.
Will it sell? I honestly have no idea.
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My first gut reaction to this was dismay and apprehension at what Waid and Kitson will be bringing. But think about it -
Kinetix = big naked troll doll
Sensor = blotchy snake-girl with purple hair and a bad attitude
Element Lad = crazed murderer with a god-complex
Ferro = wimp
Violet = giant mute
XS = missing in action
Apparition & Ultra Boy = tedious beyond belief
Saturn Girl = shameless hussy
If we made it through all of that and still remain loyal Legion fans, than we can at least give Waid's interpretation a try. If you go into it expecting nothing less than your ideal of the proper way to write the Legion than you will be disappointed. But if I can go in realizing that there will be changes, that the Legion might not be the exact same as I'm used to, but that the underlying concept is still there, then I just might be able to enjoy the series.
I really don't think that the above problems can be fixed in a way that would satisfy longtime readers adn increase sales so that the ongoing Legion would remain viable. Maybe a new take on the Legion is what is needed right now. I'm still confused as to wether it's a reboot or a relaunch, and that still makes me very nervous. But, I am willing to give this a try.
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Originally posted by Sanity or Madness?:
What's getting me overall about this, is how in every interview, Waid's been selling the relaunch as being a blank sheet of paper, no connection to what's gone before, etc...
...then Barry's come along behind and said, in posts @ Newsarama, posts here, etc; yes it is the same continuity, yes these are the same characters.
Seems odd, almost some sort of disconnect. Sounds like the same old hype machinery to me -- tell the die-hard fans that they're not getting the shaft, that the things we love won't change, but tell the public that it's brand spanking new to draw in possible new readers. I'm just a tad disappointed that Kitson gave us that oh so political "we're not thinking in terms of a reboot" line - sounds like a reboot to me! At least lay the truth on us if you're gonna say anything at all. He's ready to testify before congress with that line  .
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I like the cover - but isn't it vaguely reminiscent of Legion #1's cover - shadowy Legionnaires stepping into the light.
If that is indeed Imra in the middle - it looks like she might be in her Adventure #247 debut outfit.
I'm nervous about the idea of tampering with home worlds and powers and such - but I would be even more nervous if individual personalities are going to be tampered with. It's their personalities that make these characters who they are - beyond their individual powers. Timber Wolf - hothead, Wildfire - wise-cracker, Cosmic Boy - staid and stable, Umbra - arrogant and flinty. If Dreamer is going to be portrayed with Bouncing Boy's persona - it ain't going to work.
Like most, I'm ambivalent about change - part of me finds it exciting, another part doesn't want to let go of established history. Even if that established history includes Snekkie and Zombie Zoe.
However, I have to admit, I wouldn't mind seeing Luornu's powers beefed up a bit so that she can receive some of the respect that other more powerful characters have always enjoyed in the past.
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Hey you guys, now don't go getting all pessimistic about all this. How do you know that Mark won't bring Jeckie back as a human and Tyroc as the leader of the Legion of Super Heroes. You don't know untill it happens and if he can grab new readers attention like he did over at Marvel's Fantastic Four (to the point of making the title so popular they have 3 titles per month) then I'm all eyes for this. I would say that Imra is definitely on the cover shot there and who know's maybe she's the one with the short bob!!  Mark DID mention that there were BIG changes coming in the way of looks as well as origin, so hold tight and watch out, the Legion of Super Heroes is back come December!! Hey, at least they look adult-ish!! Many of you as well as I, were worried that they would come back as tiny teens or something but no prepubescent teenager is going to have boobs like that female character shot in the front or legs that well developed like the male left front. I can make out some pretty 'adult-ish' qualities in just about every memeber there. Kinda sorta! So I think this will be worth the wait!! 
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Originally posted by The Man From Cargg:
However, I have to admit, I wouldn't mind seeing Luornu's powers beefed up a bit so that she can receive some of the respect that other more powerful characters have always enjoyed in the past. What would you do though? If you go full-on Myriad with her, you lose the tri-personality that makes her an interesting character. And if you give her generic energy blasts/other duplicated/psionic power,... well what is the frelling point?
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holy korbal!!! does anyone else see a lightning bolt on the busty female's thigh? the revamped spark? or lightning lad? or is that just stylized fabric wrinkles? it's nice to see the flight ring and "L" belt . too bad we don't see some non-humanoid silhouettes. c'mon barry give us some sketches!!!!
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Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula:
holy korbal!!! does anyone else see a lightning bolt on the busty female's thigh? the revamped spark? or lightning lad? or is that just stylized fabric wrinkles? it's nice to see the flight ring and "L" belt . too bad we don't see some non-humanoid silhouettes. c'mon barry give us some sketches!!!! It's a fabric wrinkle, I'm pretty certain. But the guy to her left has a clearer bolt on his chest...
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Re: Luornu.
Personally I never thought the tri-personality was that great an addition to the character. Myself I think it weakens her. I think some of the interpretations of her that have surfaced on this board, for instance that fighting her is not liking fighting three people but instead like fighting one person who is in three places at once, are far more interesting. Let her be one consciousness spread out over three bodies.
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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Re: Luornu.
Personally I never thought the tri-personality was that great an addition to the character. Myself I think it weakens her. I think some of the interpretations of her that have surfaced on this board, for instance that fighting her is not liking fighting three people but instead like fighting one person who is in three places at once, are far more interesting. Let her be one consciousness spread out over three bodies. Well, when she's written well, she's both. I mean, what's tri-jitsu if it's not three people acting as one  . Neutral, Orange and Purple should never be three seperate people, but three distinct aspects of the one person. But really, if you write her simply as the same person×3, outside of fight scenes, the occasional cutesy "one ends a sentence another began" and bad sex jokes, what unique aspects would there be to her?
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I just better not have to wait another five frelling years or whatever to see Wildfire again - he spent enough time on the shelf during most of TMK and almost all of Archie Legion (Waid wrote a bunch of the reboot and never reintroduced him, which leaves me a tad worried...).
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My guess is Garth, Imra, Jan, and Andromeda in the front row.
Let's remember that this "article" is nothing more than a 100-word blurb in the same rag of a magazine that gave us the scoop on the "Thunderbolts" several months before it came out, and guess how wrong they were? I take a lot of the stuff written in Wizard with a grain of salt. And I trust Waid's avowed love of the Legion more than to think he's going to be portraying Imra as a black woman from Thanagar and Jo as a giant badger from Captain Carrot's continuity.
Little faith here, folks?
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My ONLY fear re: this possible reboot is having to wait years for characters to be introduced... AGAIN.
I mean, characters like Tenzil, Dirk and Laurel may have been mishandled in the reboot, but at least they were THERE. WILL they be there, now.... at all?
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I also find the inclusion of the flight ring to be fairly telling. It means that we're joining the "new" team some time after their creation, possibly?
White. A blank page or canvas. His favorite. So... many... possibilities.
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I'm overly excited for this. I trust Waid more than I do most of the current writers for either of the big two, and it seems like there is a concerted overall effort on DC's part to make LoSH a major selling title--something that has not been done in a LONG time.
I'm optimistic and can't wait. Make it sell, make it fun and make it good. I'm tired of my favorite title being a 'fan-elitist' book, unpenetrable to the broader public and constantly on the verge of a reboot or cancelation.
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I do believe that's the safest way to go.
And if characters such as Matter-Eater Lad, Infectious Lass and Calamity King are already members, well... I'll be the first to administer Mark's nightly footrubs...
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Although Drura and especially Calamity King will probably take longer to get to, I really, really, really hope Tenzil is a part of it. After all, he was a Legionnaire for twenty years before ever leaving!
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Tenz, Dirk and Chuck all deserve to be there in their super-powered glory.
Yes, I admit, even before Drura.
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Along with the oft-overlooked sweet Gim Allon.
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And can I get a single "AMEN!" for the original male Kid Quantum, complete with stasis-field powers and no whacked-out time-power nonsense???
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I think this sounds sensational: everything the Legion reboot should have been.
I am extremely excited about this new "Chapter" in legion history.
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Waid is a great writer and Kitson is a tremendously strong artist so I'm defo optimistic....
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I always get a little kick out of what strong reactions Legion fans have to even the smallest preview information/images.
This time, I actually feel pretty excited about all the upcoming material. We'll see how cool is is when it's actually out there...
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Barry, Mark has already let a few of the cats out of the bag: alt-versions of Brainy, Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad. Let's see some sketches of THEM at least ... pleeeeeze.
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My guess is that they're using the trip into the past to change the future to what they want it to be.
Changes in the past affecting future events, and making our Legion look a little different.
I'm hesitantly hopeful right now...after the last reboot, I'm a little wary, but will definately give it a chance.
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I gotta say - I am REALLY looking forward to this relaunch! Waid, Kitson and Didio sound like they are putting A LOT of time, energy and thought into this title and that's something its been desperately needing for a long time.
When I first heard about the relaunch I was a little angry but the more I thought about it the more I asked myself 'Why?'. I have been actively disliking this comic for a long time now and I truly feel that all the early promise of the reboot has long been squandered. There is SO MUCH I now dislike about the current Legion's universe and history and have come to the conclusion that a restart is the best and only way to go.
I just hope they don't muck it up again!
And 30 pages per issue?!? That's fantastic news! Finally we can get some characterisation - possibly the Legion's best asset, and something DnA have been incapable of giving us since Legion Lost.
And if they could please bring back Gim Allon and make Jeckie human again then all will be right in the world.
Good luck Barry and Mark!
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I like the idea of stretching out the page count but what will that do to the price? Will DC raise it by a quarter? Or will they leave it as is?
As for the changes, I'll reserve my judgement until I read the final product. Not that I won't be pissed if they mess with Garth's background but I'll wait to see what they do.
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Well, I was optimistic, but if I have to relive the beginning of the Legion all over again in a "new and fresh" take, I'll vomit. Waid should avoid interviews.
I just want Legion stories dammit! Ever since Byrne remade Superman, we've had people trying to re-invent the initial magic. Just build upon what's established already! NO BLANK SLATES!
OH! And you can have Gim, Jeckie, etc. without a reboot.
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Too true, Nighty. All I can say is most of what's already been said: I think it's a beautiful picture and I know as a Legion-fan I'll definitely be giving this a try no matter what. I trust both Waid and Kitson. I believe what Kitson said is true...that we'll be with the postboot characters...but chances stand we'll be missing some time from them or having some sort of side-effects from their trip to the 21st century to renovate the team a little. Waid's quotes, along with the short article in Wizard, is pretty much just hype in my eyes. Spice it up all you can without giving away any details. Seeing how we're still many months from this new series...I'd almost prefer to wait and get spoilers or comments like this until we're about a month or so away when more information and possibly some preview artwork could be displayed. As long as I know the Legion is continuing, it's not so bad being left in the dark over being teased! Now I have a million and one possibilities going through my head about what might happen! Whatever the case, the more I think of what we have now at the close of The Legion book, the more I realize I wouldn't mind a new look or a revised Legion. This one's been fun, but I'm at that stage of the book like I was before DnA came in where I want more things to be 'fixed' than introduced. Many of the characters haven't really sung to me like they used to, and there's plenty of facets, power-ups, and feature characters I'd like to see take a back-seat or become more defined and better applied...something I feel Waid can do given some time. As for the sales...whoo boy. I know this will sell decently and hopefully be a great series, but I'll believe it's DC's #1 book when I see it! Good luck to our new creative team, regardless!
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Issue #34 is a good example of how to add to the magic and tell a great story using the established, current continuity and characters. Let's see more of that.
Waid and Kitson should spend their lead time trying to figure out ways to fix Jarth, etc. organically and not use another reboot. It's lazy, not creative, and boring. Been there, done that. I can think of a thousand ways to use what we've been given so far.
Trust me, I was singing their praises during the last article. But I'm feeling less and less optimistic.
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Don't misunderstand my comments, I WILL be reading the series and WILL give it a chance. It's just frustrating that they always seem to resort to rebooting these days...it's the newest crutch in the comics industry. Didn't get it right? Throw everything out and start over
Why can't they just take the lore of the Legion and write good stories? No need to change it, just improve the storytelling.
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FWIW: Front row (L to R) looks to me like Jo, Imra, Garth, Tasmia.
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OO, that was my first thought too. Especially the Tasmia on the end. I just wish that subscribers got their copies BEFORE the comic shops. I'm still waiting on my issue to show up in the mail.
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Re: The image - Cosmic Boy (in a more traditional, less blue costume), Kid Quantum (in a less thong based attire), Lightning Lad (in a first appearance inspired outfit), and Saturn Girl (in a pink bikini).
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Yeah, that could be KQ but I don't think it's Imra on the right. Also, like others, my initial take was Tinya but it looks more like Tasmia to me.
I think it's probably Cos, SG, Garth, & Tinya with Lu being the 5th figure slightly behind Cos & SG (check the hair outline)
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
I like the idea of stretching out the page count but what will that do to the price? Will DC raise it by a quarter? Or will they leave it as is?
It'll probably by around 1/2 dollar more that the current price. That'll be 8 more pages added in so I would guess that's about right!
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Originally posted by Kid Prime:
I also find the inclusion of the flight ring to be fairly telling. It means that we're joining the "new" team some time after their creation, possibly? My impression has always been that we are going to be joining the story in media res. I believe Waid said something in the initial interview to the effect that they were going to wait awhile to reveal the origin of the new team.
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I do like that picture. Makes me think of waking from a bad dream.
I want to say it's Cos, Luornu or Violet, Garth, and Imra in the image, but they could each really be just about anyone. Maybe that's RJ Brand in the middle.
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Judging from the lighting and colouring, it's a blonde gal in the middle, or fair-haired at least. The gal on the end is brunette. I'm guessing Imra then a more kick-nass Tinya. I got to go with Jo on the end, and Garth in the middle.
I'm stoked about Waid's words. He's a good writer, and he's bound to make these characters interesting to me. As for what's come before, he won't likely trash it, just tweak them is all. I have no doubt that this time next year, we'll all be enjoying the title as much as we have before.
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RE: THE PIC
Still sticking with Jo, Imra, Garth, Tasmia front row,
But based on perspective, I have to say that is Gim in the back row between Jo & Imra.
Around his waist area is a weird outline. Not sure if supposed to be part of his costume or the outline of someone else's head.
So, if I am right, the first BIG SPOILER is... GIM IS BACK!!!!
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The image does look good. I like it that it's unclear who the Legionnaires are. It keeps us guessing. Waid's comments seem calculated both to keep us on edge and (oddly) to reassure us that it's not going to be another wholesale reboot ... anything to keep us wanting to know more. So, I wouldn't put too much stock in his words, or those of Kitson or the editor, yet. Their primary job at this point is to sell the series to a hungry but jaded fan base. So far, it looks like they've succeeded. As far as the changes to be wrought, since Waid made the reboot much better than I thought it could be, I'm giving him more than the benefit of a doubt.
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Anybody else think the second character from the right in the front row might be Superboy?. I see a cape and a slight bulge around the waist which might be Superboy's belt. (I do also recall LL having a cape originally, but I don't recall if he had a belt.) Anyway, if it is Superboy, I hope it's a version Kal-El, who also has an active career as Superboy in the 20th century.
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I just remembered that Faraway saw the B&W version of this @ Bristol. Here's what he posted: Originally posted by Faraway Lad : But now some new Legion stuff. Quite rightly in my mind Barry did not want to give things away, he wants people to judge for themselves once the book in in their hands. I know I know, I told him you lot would be salivating for pointers at this stage and would spend hours and hours pouring over every little pronouncement he made looking for clues.
A couple of things he did say (and has told me I can tell you) were that this is not a reboot, deboot or any other form of footware. This is Mark and his take on a series they are both big big fans of. They want it to be a success, by which I think they mean both critically and in terms of sales. If it sells they are in for the long haul.
Apparently when they pitched the idea to DC and Paul Levitz they were expecting to get about 70 to 80% of what they wanted. Paul loved the ideas so much that he give them all they wanted and asked for more. So maybe, just maybe, we are going to see something good.
Now for the bit I have seen and (most of)you haven’t. Barry had with him the fully pencilled and inked drawing that is going to appear in this months Wizard. He wouldn’t let me buy that one though.
You’re going to love it and hate it. 
Your going to love it because of the skill of the penmanship and because it is a real heroic piece.
Your going to hate it because it’s a absolute bugger of a tease. There are no ways to identify who is who in the picture so the fans are going to go ape shit trying to guess who the silhouettes are. There are a few clues, (a lightning flash on one) but otherwise its all up for grabs. As a way to make people sit up and take notice of the new series it’s a winner. Remember though, it is a tease picture, it may not be the final thing.
And finally Barry has asked me to tell everyone on LW that he’ll do his best to post but please don’t think he’s ignoring us if he goes quiet for a while as he has real world stuff to do.
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For some reason, and I have absolutely NOTHING to support this, when I first saw the pic, I immediately associated the female on the right to be Dawnstar.
I don't believe Shikari is Reboot Dawnstar, but looking back at the pic, it strikes me that it could be Shikari after all...I mean, everyone would expect Tinya, but Shikari? That'd pull the wool over everyone's eyes!
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Originally posted by Semi Transparent Fellow:
Anybody else think the second character from the right in the front row might be Superboy?. I see a cape and a slight bulge around the waist which might be Superboy's belt. (I do also recall LL having a cape originally, but I don't recall if he had a belt.) Anyway, if it is Superboy, I hope it's a version Kal-El, who also has an active career as Superboy in the 20th century. I still think that's Garth in a silver age version costume. That would have the cape and the "wedgie-bulge."
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Originally posted by Pex the Unalive:
For some reason, and I have absolutely NOTHING to support this, when I first saw the pic, I immediately associated the female on the right to be Dawnstar.
I don't believe Shikari is Reboot Dawnstar, but looking back at the pic, it strikes me that it could be Shikari after all...I mean, everyone would expect Tinya, but Shikari? That'd pull the wool over everyone's eyes! I still think Shikari has to be the reboot Dawnstar. Having two female flying trackers is a bit much otherwise. I understand that a lot of flack was taken for Dawnstar having the fringe on on costume because it was too stereotypical. It seems like Shikari was a way to get around that problem and have a character who isn't human.
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Originally posted by Obadiah Oldbuck: Originally posted by Semi Transparent Fellow:
[b]Anybody else think the second character from the right in the front row might be Superboy?. I see a cape and a slight bulge around the waist which might be Superboy's belt. (I do also recall LL having a cape originally, but I don't recall if he had a belt.) Anyway, if it is Superboy, I hope it's a version Kal-El, who also has an active career as Superboy in the 20th century. Maybe the new Legion will continue with the post-boot characters but they will have more of a silver age look. I still think that is Adv. #247 Imra in the middle and as someone mentioned the shadowy figure next to her is probably Luornu but now depicted with her cute silver age flip hair style.
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Toying with the image a bit it looks like "Garth's" right arm is bare and he's wearing some sort of armband (tip: try adding a dodge layer for heightened contrast after resizing 200%; you'll see more detail).
"Imra" looks peculiarly bottom-heavy. That, and she stole my hairstyle. I want the dark-haired woman to be Shikari or Umbra, but I'm thinking a more amazonian Tinya. The guy on the left with the "L" belt is up for grabs, imo. Reimagined Cos hopefully to complete the founder threesome, but it's impossible to tell.
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Waid's a good, no, a great writer, but I'd really rather he build from what has gone on in the reboot than start from scratch. Geez, I'll probably pull all my hair out by the roots wondering who will make the jump to the new series and who will get left behind. I'm pretty excited, but I'm also a bit worried- but if Kinetix, Xs and Gates make it, I'll be pretty happy.
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Hi Guys - Sorry it's taken me a while to respond, but I'm really glad most of you liked the image! That was done specifically for Wizard - it's not a cover for the series, but a deliberate 'teaser' I guess, which it seems to have succeeded in being judging by the speculations in this thread. We'll have to debate the whole 'reboot' controversy when the series is out - but I certainly take issue with anyone suggesting I would deliberately lie to you - I have not and will not! It is great to read that so many of you are looking forward to the series though - I'm sure we'll have lots more contentious points to discuss before long! BTW Some of you were right about the characters in the picture 
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oops! Sorry had to post another reply so I could tick the email notification box...keep forgetting that! Apologies if I sounded a bit 'prickly' about the reboot or not, thing - it's just a bit frustrating not being able to defend yourself because you can't give anything away about the actual series. Probably I should have kept quiet in the first place...ah well, live and learn...
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Barry -- since I had taken issue with your "reboot or not reboot" comment I'll say that I was responding to the need for you guys to shield the facts from us at this early juncture. While it's certainly understandable for you guys to do that this early in the game, I think some people might have been mislead by your comment despite your intentions (it sounded to me like a vague non-answer, but sometimes a "wait and see" will serve).
I for one certainly never meant to accuse you of lying, simply "playing the game" by being evasive. Thanks for continuing to stop by though and no matter the speculation I hope you don't feel you have to defend yourself personally -- it's all in good fun around here.
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Originally posted by Barry Kitson: oops! Sorry had to post another reply so I could tick the email notification box...keep forgetting that! You can also use the "Subscribe To Topic" link at the bottom of a thread for the same purpose, without the need to reply.
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So Barry. Since the piece was for Wizard, do you still have it? Any plans on selling it?
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Now when I saw the black and white version of this at Bristol Barry told me the characters were................................... (joke!) However, I am just as prone to useless speculation as the next guy so my first reaction was (left to right, front row) Superboy, Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad and (terraformed) Kinetix. That made Barry smile but pro that he is he gave nothing away. Having seen the coloured version and listened to the posts here, I am tempted to think that it could be Cos on the left. As for the stories i am firmly in the wait and see camp. DC's number 1 comic? Its possible with this creative team.
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
So Barry. Since the piece was for Wizard, do you still have it? Any plans on selling it? HEY  I asked first Race you for it Scooter, first one round to Barry's house with the dirty oncer's gets it.  LL
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Hey! Well you probably did see it first after all. That just means when I get to meet Barry later this month I'll try to pick up another original piece.
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Glad you like the art so much! I'd like to hang on to it for a while as my first piece of LSH artwork, it might well find a place on my wall....but thanks for asking!
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So Barry will you be doing any sketches at the convention in San Diego? I just want to know how early I need to line up to be able to get one.
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Barry,
GREAT illustration for Wizard. My heart leapt when I saw it, and it took me a day or two to figure out exactly why.
I started reading the Legion in 1973 during the Cockrum/Grell era. I was six years old. What distinguishes that era for me was the POWER the Legionaires displayed with these illustrators (and Starlin and Sherman as well!). The Legionaires were no longer the miniature adults competing via parliamentary procedure to be leader of the Honor Society of Space of the Adventure series. They were the embodiment of a new youth culture that was edgy, hip, unexpected, defiant, self-assured, powerful, impulsive and sexy (but not slutty, well maybe Dream Girl). The Legionaires of that era could die, could kill (by accident or by design), could obsess about unobtainable love, could be accused of murder, could go insane, and could look really hot in the process. That feeling of the unexpected -- that the Legionaires were powerful young people acting boldly in a strange and often dangerous future world -- was what hooked me from the first page.
For all the wonderful story-telling that has come since, that sense of bigness and boldness has rarely been present for me. The large cast often made reading Legion feel like playing toy soldiers -- lots of small figures spread across the bedspread, losing their power and individuality.
So, seeing these back-lit, upshot figures striking a defiant pose really got me. I hope with the increased page count and your dynamic style you and Mr. Waid can give the Legionaires back some of the power and danger they conveyed all those years ago. I am really looking forward to it.
...but you don't have a moment where you're sitting there staring at a table full of twenty-five characters with little name signs that say, "Hi, my superpower is confusing you!"
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Hi Doublechinner They were the embodiment of a new youth culture that was edgy, hip, unexpected, defiant, self-assured, powerful, impulsive and sexy (but not slutty, well maybe Dream Girl). The Legionaires of that era could die, could kill (by accident or by design), could obsess about unobtainable love, could be accused of murder, could go insane, and could look really hot in the process. That feeling of the unexpected -- that the Legionaires were powerful young people acting boldly in a strange and often dangerous future world -- was what hooked me from the first page. I think you just summed up exactly what we're aiming for! Hi Lightning Lad - unfortunately I shan't be able to make it to San Diego this year - for very 'real life' reasons sadly. Sorry to let you down, but when I do make it there again (next year for sure) I'll have a sketch ready prepared for you! By the time it rolls around I'm sure I'll have a good idea which character you'd like from our on line chats. I will however be at Wizard World in Texas in November - along with LSH editor Steve Wacker and quite possibly Mark too! So if any of you can make it there I'll look forward to seeing you!
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Originally posted by Faraway Lad:
Having seen the coloured version and listened to the posts here, I am tempted to think that it could be Cos on the left.
I'm telling you guys, It's Jo. You can see the sun glinting off of the cureved upper portion of his belt. He's the only one with a belt like that. Waid MUST lurk here. I imagine he's having a giggle-fit that 9/10 of this thread is us arguing/debating who's who in the pic. =)
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I'm sorry to hear you won't make it Barry. And I hope the real life reasons are not family emergencies or health related. I do appreciate the offer of a ready to go sketch (of Lightning Lad of course ) but I won't hold you to remember that for a year. I'm not sure I can afford Texas after going to San Diego but if the Legion crew is going to show up maybe I can arrange to have a work related trip around the same time.
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Hi Barry, Can you tell us one little thing............. Is Wildfire part of the equation from the beginning or will it take a while for him to appear AGAIN?? Best wishes! :-)
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And so the discussion rages on!
Saw the teaser, and like any hardcore Legion-addict, I'm super-teased!
So they're messing with looks and histories per the blurb. I agree with some of the posts I read that it seems our pleas to DC for attention to be given to Legion has materialized. It's good to see that they're not focusing solely on Superman or Batman or JLA.
However it goes, this has my support all over it!
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Originally posted by Tromium Crystal:
The guy on the left with the "L" belt is up for grabs, imo. Reimagined Cos hopefully to complete the founder threesome, but it's impossible to tell. His hair sure makes me want to think Element Lad or Sun Boy, though.
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I bought the Wizard yesterday to get a better look and its such a wee little picture! I was envisioning a bigger pic to run a bunch of electronic tests for pixelated clues but alas, all we have to go on is a tauntingly tiny teaser!
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Originally posted by Awkward Pause Boy: Originally posted by Tromium Crystal:
[b] The guy on the left with the "L" belt is up for grabs, imo. Reimagined Cos hopefully to complete the founder threesome, but it's impossible to tell. Hmm... Sun Boy. That would be lovely. I'm finally feeling a little flicker of hope for our beloved E-Lad, too.
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I haven't seen the printed picture, sorry to hear it was so small - Steve Wacker told me he thought they printed it rather smaller than he's expected. Anyway it's great to read how much enthusiasm it's engnedered! Hope to see you in Texas then Lightning Lad!
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Trust me gang, the relaunch is going to be BIG!
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Originally posted by Lightning Lad: I'm not sure I can afford Texas after going to San Diego but if the Legion crew is going to show up maybe I can arrange to have a work related trip around the same time. Let me know if you do. I had considered going to Chicago to hook up with some friends at Wizardworld but that appears to have fallen through. As a result, I may have enough left in the coffers for a Texas trip come Nov.
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Originally posted by Barry Kitson:
I haven't seen the printed picture, sorry to hear it was so small - Steve Wacker told me he thought they printed it rather smaller than he's expected. Have you got a scanner?
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I do have a scanner I'll see if I can find someone at Wizard who can give the go ahead to let me 'publish it' here! ...not that I think it'll make the character spotting much easier
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Originally posted by Barry Kitson:
...not that I think it'll make the character spotting much easier Yeah but think how much fun we'll have arguing over pixels of info!
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i still think that's a lightning bolt on the female on the right's thigh. AND i think that it's a new look for XS!!!
considering Waid's love of the Flash, and that he created XS and Impulse, it makes sense that she'd be featured. Anyone agree with me? i'd love to Jenni with long hair whipping around at top speed.
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Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula:
i still think that's a lightning bolt on the female on the right's thigh. AND i think that it's a new look for XS!!!
considering Waid's love of the Flash, and that he created XS and Impulse, it makes sense that she'd be featured. Anyone agree with me? i'd love to Jenni with long hair whipping around at top speed. Could be XS for all I know, but the pattern seems to be a trick of the light, which is shining directly on the right side of her body. The pattern conforms to her curves, imo. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.velardi.net/kitson-detail1.jpg)
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Possible armband detail on male; bottom-heavy female. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.velardi.net/kitson-detail2.jpg)
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Jeepers! I'm almost certain I see a Preztorian demon in one of the light patterns on the rightmost females legs!
No doubt it's the reboot Command Kid!
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Darn! I didn't think anyone would spot that demon...or the unicorn!
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Originally posted by Tromium Crystal: Originally posted by Gorilla Nebula:
[b] i still think that's a lightning bolt on the female on the right's thigh. AND i think that it's a new look for XS!!!
considering Waid's love of the Flash, and that he created XS and Impulse, it makes sense that she'd be featured. Anyone agree with me? i'd love to Jenni with long hair whipping around at top speed.
[/b]It looks to me like there is a pointy ear sticking out of the side of her head and that hair just says Tasmia to me...
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Originally posted by Barry Kitson: Darn! I didn't think anyone would spot that demon...or the unicorn! The unicorn is hiding underneath the crotch of the guy on the left ... correct?
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Like others, my biggest concern is that it'll be years before I see my favourite characters again. However, the book is going to be 30 pages a month. They must be planning on a big cast.
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Gee, I think I spotted the third gunman in that pic!
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Originally posted by Arachne:
However, the book is going to be 30 pages a month. They must be planning on a big cast. Or lots of splash pages.
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There can't be more splash pages than there were in Dream Crime and Foundations. I mean, those two arcs were coming perilously close to Superman #75. If I want a poster book, I'll buy Teen Beat. I know, I know, let sleeping dogs lie and don't speak ill of the departed, yada yada yada...
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Nobody's talked about the centaur yet? In the second row?
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Barry, have you managed to scan in a nice hi-res larger copy of that teaser yet? My desktop is hungrily awaiting it
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I have to admit I haven't spoken to editor Steve Wacker about posting it here yet - sorry - I've been a bit caught up in the work I'm doing at the moment I'll email him shortly and hope to get a go ahead! Apologies for being so tardy!
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Obidiah say's Waid MUST lurk here. I imagine he's having a giggle-fit that 9/10 of this thread is us arguing/debating who's who in the pic. and then a few posts later the mysterious Sir Prize says Trust me gang, the relaunch is going to be BIG! so there we have it Gang, irrifutable proof that Sir Prize is non other than Mark Waid himself.  and to think we could have elected him leader 
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Originally posted by Faraway Lad:
so there we have it Gang, irrifutable proof that Sir Prize is non other than Mark Waid himself.
My money's on Double Chinner being Waid. lil'rhino
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Well I'm pretty sure Doublechinner isn't Mark - unless he's fooling me too - he asked me to send him a link to Doublechinner's remark about the piece in Wizard which I thought was so on the nail
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Oooo-a denial!! I knew I was right!
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My theory is that lil'rhino is Waid, and he's trying to throw us off the track! (and don't forget I was right about the Preztorian demon! )
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Timmy Mallett's writing the Legion. Who knew.
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What the frell is this doing on the second page?
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Thanks for sticking your neck out here in chicken-little-land.
Obviously, we're all nervous about what's coming next - not because we're an irate mob, but 'cause we care.
I -and many of us- have faith in good creators such as yourself and Mark Waid, but at the same time (pet peeve alert, here) DC editorial staff has a history of... not kissing us or using 'protection' when they shag us.
I for one have a good gut feeling (and my gut has a lot of feeling) about the new project, but I'm still very cautious... I'd rather see a jump to the future with an ambiguous backstory than a full reboot.
Glad to see you among us,
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Just for the record my guesses on the characters in the teaser image! Ultra Boy, Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad and...well the chick with long hair is a tough one. I say Apparition....but it could also be Tasmia or even Shikari as others have guessed. Also the big guy can be Mon-El or Cosmic Boy. Ultra Boy and Tinya were the sexy ones from Cockrum's days so I guess them two first. Jorge
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Thanks for the welcome Sean! It's been a pleasure being here...so far I completely understand your worries - any change to something you care about is bound to be scary... especially one that, can't really be characterized as being like anything that has gone before... but I think you'll enjoy what we have planned....I certainly hope so!
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This might be a better vesion of the image from Comics Continuum: The "New(?)" Legion I'm starting to think that this new "re-imagining" thing will be a reboot of sorts in terms of the way characters look and maybe certain elements of the status quo, but will keep most of the reboot Legion's history. Information is coming in very small doses and as much as I want to know what this is all about, I kinda want to not know anything until I read the book (how hard's that gonna be, hm??) I will say this though, now that they're gone, I think I might actually miss those saddlebags on their belts
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OK, I'll comment. I really do think it's the founding members in the forground. Yay, I can see me in the background. Those lovely familiar antenae and pointy ears!! I am still convinced that Saturn Girl is the one with the short hair. Notice the flowing skirt, she's always liked a bit of a skirt with some of her older costumes and the pointed shoulder pads make me think of Saturn for some reason! So the one with the long flowing hair would be a question mark to me. I mean if the LSH is going to undergo many a makeover then it's really hard to put a finger on who's who, but it just makes sense to place the founders in the foreground, so I'm sticking with my guesses: Cosmic (Boy), Saturn (Girl), Lightening (Lad) and Mystery (Girl)! In that order from left to right. If they are going to be made over maybe even their code names will be different too, hence the ( )'s! Glad you located this version Drake, much clearer. You can see all 4 in front are wearing their rings!
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Hi Guys - I guess I should confess now, that some of the costumes have gone through some refinements since I drew the promo piece (much better scan BTW) - so one or two of the legionnaires will look a bit different when you actually see them - but I will admit who was who in the picture when I'm allowed!
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I even more convinced that those front four are (L to R) Rokk, Imra (although those do look like twin lightning bolts on her breast, they're most likely just highlights), Garth (definitely a lightning bolt there) and Tinya (she's the one that wore "bell bottom" pants)
And yes, I do think that's Cham (second from the right in the back row ~ pointy ears & antennae) and Gim (between Rokk & Imra).
I'll also go out on a limb and say that's Brin all the way to the left in the back (something about the two points in his hair though it really should be Lyle or Dirk) and I'll guess that's Luornu all the way to the right in the back.
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The skirt-over-pants design reminds me of Triad's redesigned post-boot outfit. Elegant and vaguely chinoise. Hope this outfit stays, whoever's wearing it. Brin was my first guess, too, because of the curlicules. Gim next to him because, I dunno, it just looks like the big lug and because I'm rooting for all the dead/non-rebooted Adventure-era characters to return for another round. Barry, please get back to us soon with more. If I keep scrutinizing the same image my head is going to explode.
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Which would be fine, were "reimagining" not so pretensiously meaningless so as to hit you over the head repeatedly with a sign saying "I don't mean anything" while humming the 1812 overture backwards
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For once SOM - I'm in full agreement! When don't they just say "For no reason other than to flatter the new writer's ego we, the DC editorial people, will let him bugger things up and do whatever he wants."
After DnA's (for the most part) strong run on this title I can't see the point in rebooting/"reimagining" it.
That art doesn't fill me with confidence either.
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For some strange reason Im not worried about it. My current theory, as I mentioned elsewhere, is that the timeline will alter, but the Legion will remember the old one. That leaves lots of room for tweeks, but keeps the current personalites and relationships.
I wonder how Sensor would react to waking up with legs...
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I haven't seen any point in guessing about the identities of the shadowy figures so far, but after seeing the clearer pic, I'll guess that the person all the way on the left with the curls is Shadow Lass (that's right, "Shadow Lass"  ).
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That teaser-pic is SOOOO kewl!
Arachne, Drake... I believe we shall indeed be getting a return to "Shadow Lass" and a return to a human Sensor.
Waid's gonna fix the stuff that's broken, and Tasmia will always be "Shady" to most (even with her code-name of Umbra they call her Shady!).
And Jeckie as a snake? That's gone. We'e going to see a return of the original Orando, just watch!
I for one approve of both the above changes!
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I hope your right!! Pre boot LSH is what I think many of us are wishing for with of course Mark and Barry's special twists to the whole mythos!! I think I need to go and pray now!!
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Originally posted by Chameleon Boy: I hope your right!! Pre boot LSH is what I think many of us are wishing for with of course Mark and Barry's special twists to the whole mythos!!
I think I need to go and pray now!! NOT me.
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We're not going to get a return to the preboot Legion.
As I've said in the past, I'd just as soon get a completely new continuity, maybe drawing on elements of both preboot and postboot, than to try to continue on with the history that the Legion has now...
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I identify the front four characters from left to right as the following:
Saturn Man, Brainiac Empress, Gates, and Bouncing Girl (yowser!).
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Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
Bouncing Girl (yowser!). Iresa!
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Hmmmm....I like that idea.
Cosmic Girl, Spark, and Saturn Lad founding the Legion. Soon to be joined by:
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Ok, and then maybe: Elementa Star Girl Dream Boy Polar Girl ok, maybe not... 
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We're not getting a return to the preboot, but I do believe we WILL get a "blend" of pre- and post-.
And Waid's gonna tweak what need's a-tweaking.
Or heck, maybe it WILL be an entirely new continuity!
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Also, I believe DnA were instructed to do certain things, like get Superboy onto the team for a while and return Lar's original constume (or a close approximation of it).
That's just pure speculation, but I think it's true.
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Also, I believe DnA were instructed to do certain things, like get Superboy onto the team for a while and return Lar's original constume (or a close approximation of it).
That's just pure speculation, but I think it's true. I wush I could find the link, but Batista's to blame for M'On. He said he was planning to make that change around the time he was confirmed as regular penciller (when he was said to have been booted, I hoped he wouldn't have had time to make the change...). Superboy may or may not have been an edict, but it was a sales-boosting stunt either way. And if this "reimaginging" is a change in the way JLDetroit to JLI was a change, or Jones-JLAm to Morrison-JLA was a change (i.e. no retcons, just a change of circumstances), I'll give it a chance. If they make ANY major retcons, I will never hand over so much as one penny for a LSH comic ever again.
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If they make ANY major retcons, I will never hand over so much as one penny for a LSH comic ever again. I take it then you're not overjoyed by statements like "how can anything resembling continuity exist in the future?", or Waid's references to "The Terminator".
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We wouldn't be fans if we weren't concerned about changes happening to the characters we like, and with Legion... well, they are LEGION, literally. I think I can count on one hand the number of characters I didn't ever like at some point - yep, three: Wildfire, Dawnstar, and Kid Quantum I - but they're superheroes, and crap happens to them on an intergalactic scale. I'm going to try to have faith. The first DC book I ever picked up was written by Mark Waid (and I still love The Flash family because of it), so I hope he and the rest of the creative team will do their very best for the LSH. Give us some good stories. As for my guess of who's in the teaser: Dirk, Lu (or Thunder), Gim, and Nura. Or maybe that last one is Donna Troy; we know she went somewhere, and while that somewhere looked like something from the recent KISS comics.... Postnote: I am a little concerned about continuity, sheerly because the Legion has to make changes when something major happens in the 21st century - like when the Green Lantern Corps was destroyed, and then brought back, but in the meantime all 30th century Green Lanterns had to be explained away. I hope the creative team is given a little more leeway this time (because a thousand years is enough time to rebuild the corps when there was one left, for example). And I worry about Thom and the Starman legacy... ah, well. We shall see, eh? Okay, really I think it's Jan, Lu, Garth, and Zoe.
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Hi Flannel Lass - you make some very good observations there - the problems caused by having to follow events in the DCU slavishly is something we have addressed (I hope) so we will have that leeway you hoped for.
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Flannel lass: While I believe they should always keep things simple despite the temptation to do really fun stuff... I would love to see a Green Lantern in the Legion!!! And I would love to see Donna Troy (with amnesia) in the Legion!!! Donna Troy is a problem unto itself though...and the Legion have had enough problems similiar to Donna. heh maybe she should join and call herself the Black Hole. jk Jorge
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Originally posted by Barry Kitson: ... the problems caused by having to follow events in the DCU slavishly is something we have addressed (I hope) so we will have that leeway you hoped for. Very telling statement. My current best guess is that Waid's gonna wave the magic wand of Hypertime and stick the LSH in an alt-universe, and over at the DCMB I posited the even nuttier theory that they'd wind up in Levitz's Pocket Universe. Think about the possibilities -- Kal-El as Superboy again and stuff like that. It was good for a few yucks but, you know, Barry's implication of looser ties with the DCU, combined with Levitz's enthusiastic approval of their scheme and the Hypertime scenario of the TT/Legion crossover, leaves me wondering how far Waid's actually going to take this thing. One thing is clear -- the future will never be the same.
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Originally posted by Jorge Martinez:
I would love to see a Green Lantern in the Legion!!! I liked it a lot when Rond became Green Lantern. To bad we didn't see more of that. I don't know how it would work having the GLC around though - it kinda trumps the Legion's gig of interspecies collaboration for the betterment of the universe. Unless they reused the "no GL's in UP space" policy, I imagine they'd be stepping on each other's toes all the time.
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Or the GLC would likely recognize that there was no need for a presence larger than just ONE representative Lantern in the United Planets BECAUSE the Legion exists.
Sort off like the Wanderers or Lallorians existing and occasionally coming into contact with the Legion to cooperate on a problem of galactic proportions. There's an infinite universe out there. No need for anyone to step on each others toes.
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Well, it's not clear how large the "sectors" that the GL's patrolled are compared to the U.P., anyway. It may simply be the case that all of the U.P. worlds are in the same sector as Earth.
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Or the GLC would likely recognize that there was no need for a presence larger than just ONE representative Lantern in the United Planets BECAUSE the Legion exists. I don't wholly agree there. The LSH is ONE group of super powered teens. There is an entire universe that needs protecting and they can't be every where at once. That always makes me think of why are there no mentionings of the JLA or JSA or a newly formed JLU (Justice League of the Universe. Well that sounds kinda lame but you know what I mean). Kinda like the LSH would be the Teen Titans of the the 30th Century, so where are the Adult counterparts, the other force that keeps tabs on the situations that the LSH can't get too?? In saying all that I think the GLC would be VERY useful. Look at today's world issues and troubles and just imagine them quadrupled as more and more planets join the federation with more beings coming together. Not everyone's going to be a good guy!! Imagine 1000 Sadam's running around out there with 30th century weapons of mass destruction!! While purely hyopothetical but it could be a reality, you never know. So where are the other heroes?? The 30th Century according to Waid and Kitson could be a very powerful and fruitful venture for DC Comics but it needs to be worked out and I think the JLU and the GLC could be part of that whole dream!! Just a tought or two!!
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I don't know. I've always kind of liked the idea that the Legion was emulating the ideals of a past age. If you've got all these other groups of super-heroes running around, then you lose the aspect of the Legion as something "new" or unique. I'd like some version of the GLC to exist, but I think any other "super-hero" organizations that form should be emulating the Legion in some way or another, or be strictly local affairs.
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Yeah - I would not object to officially making Legiontime an alt-future. As long as that's stuck to, and we don't get a Gallacher-GotG-style fiasco.
And the Legion's current past stays intact.
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....but I think any other "super-hero" organizations that form should be emulating the Legion in some way or another.... Yes, but who are the LSH emulating?? See, they all are emulating or following in the foot steps of some other great heroes, at that point of the game it's NOT original any more!! To me part of what makes the Legion or the Teen Titans special is that they are TEENS, young adults, following in the footsteps of their elders with new ideals but that same sense of justice and fairness (and all that other good stuff). So WHO are their anchor points?? Are they still operating?? If so, why weren't these heroes names and origins revealed yet to the readers?? There's alot that can be done here and in a more realistic view point of a totally fantastical universe ALL heroes start from somewhere and in that day and age they do have other heroes that they look up to and learn from, they would have to, it just makes sense!! Well at least in my reasoning!
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Well, that's just the point. They're emulating the heroes of the 21st century. The Legion is a revival of those ideals. That's sort of the original concept behind it. These three teens from the future who are part of a club that are modeled after Superboy's heroic career come back in time to ask him to join. To have other contemporaries negates the whole point of that.
It makes sense to me that the tradition of "super-heroes" could easily have died out in the intervening millenium, and that the vision of one man (R. J. Brande) is to revive that tradition. I'd like to see the Legion as really radical in the times they live in, striving to promote the heroic ideals that no one else believes in any longer.
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Yes, that totally makes sense to me but then there's that wish that there were more groups that maybe the Legion were not aware of. I mean they are not aware of new Super Villian groups that pop up so why would they know if there were any other Super Hero groups out there?? I know the Wanderers were a stab at having another super group in the future but that was just a case of bad character design, bad writing and frankly some pretty poor art work and it's too bad! I was so pyched about that comic when it was to come out then then I read issue #1 and boy was that the end for me!! Just an idea that came to me when I was at work and read that little mentioning of the GLC!
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I think what's important is that they are the "first" super-group in the U.P.
Usually, when they'd be shown meeting other heroes (the Lallorian, the Wanders, Nam-Lor, Questar), they'd always be from "distant" worlds or parts of the galaxy.
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Despite what I said earlier, if there were a way to make it work, I'd be all for a GL somewhere in the Legion universe just to give it more flavor (like the heroes of Lallor, Dev-Em, or when Rond had the ring).
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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I think what's important is that they are the "first" super-group in the U.P. Well, notwithstanding the mess Xanthu's degenerated into between the Starman events, the AP and Robotica, the Amazers were.
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I Originally posted by Sanity or Madness?:
Well, notwithstanding the mess Xanthu's degenerated into between the Starman events, the AP and Robotica, the Amazers were. Oh, I don't think that's clear at all. When we are first introduced to Xanthu's heroes, we see Star Boy, Atmos, and Kid Quantum in a contest to be "Planetary Champion". There's no indication that there is any super-group at all. The earliest we see of the Amazers is in a flashback in the Star Boy issue of Legends of the Legion, but Kid Quantum II is already a member at that point, which implies that it takes place after James's death. But anyway, a number of planets have "planetary champions" and the like, so it would not be unreasonable to suppose that one of them might developed a super-powered planetary defense force. But I think it's important to the Legion that they be the first organization with an interstellar focus, and to be "super-heroes" in a more traditional sense than simply defending their planet against invaders or something.
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Hey, is Atmos still living or is he gone?? He was a character that when he did make appearances I was always intrigued by his unique look and wondered what an in depth origin issue around him would be like?!? What can I say, I like the really different humanoid characters!
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New guess!
Jan, Violet, Gim, and Candi!
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Originally posted by Awkward Pause Boy:
New guess!
Jan, Violet, Gim, and Candi! Candi? Wow! Death becomes her. Jan and Gim don't look too much worse for wear, either.
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The most logical option is the three originals members in the cover.
We never have a number one cover with Saturn Girl, Cosmic Boy and Lightning Lad (only the zero chapter but these don't count).
If the long hair girl is Phantom Girl...or Projectra .Better!
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...or maybe:
Jan, Cece, Gim, and Candi!
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Close, but no cigar.
It's Jan in Sun Boy's corpse, Quantum Queen, Gim and Candi. Together they make up what's affectionately known as the Legion of the Living Dead. (James Cullen and Garth are members, too, but they're don't appear in this pic.)
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Quantum Queen! What a way to get me invested in the reboot! She and Princess Projectra could get into little royal spats.
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Okay. Maybe shoot me now. I'm with this series. I'm going to give it a chance. This is an amazing idea. People who get together to do what they can BECAUSE they can.
Yeah, I wan't Uboy to be there. Yeah Ferro. Yeah Coz, Imra n Garth. Yeah my faves (especially Vi, sigh). But that may not happen. I understand. That IS a problem. But I'm going to give this series the same chance I'd give a brand new team book. Perhaps MORE because it comes under the Legion banner.
We should try. We owe our favourites that much for all their service over the years.
We want them to survive in the years to come. As long as the friendship, the love, the heroics, the downright, honest to goodness, simple plain fact that our guys are the GOOD GUYS, is there I'm going to be there.
For our guys, you come too.
After all, in whatever form, in whatever universe, in whatever time, with whatever members :
1) Our heroes will be in our hearts forever.
2) LONG LIVE THE LEGION!!!!!
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I want Ferro to be there. There's still so much of his character to explore. It got started back when Moy was drawing the series, but then got dropped.
I'd like to see a return to the Silver Age device where less powerful legionaires faced seemingly insurmountable problems and had to come up with innovative solutions based on their limited powers. No more brute force - that's been overdone.
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Well said, Teliyon.
Semi, I've got a feeling Ferro will be staying in the 21st century, but I've bee wtong before.
I'd also really like to see the less powerful Legionnaires take the spotlight.
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I'll go anywhere Mark Waid wants to go. I like everything I've read so far. We know he loves the Legion, he's got a pretty darn good track record, and we know he loves the Legion. I look forward to it. When does the relaunch happen?
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Hi All - Just wanted to say how great all this speculation is to read - especially as I'm becoming even more optimistic that most of you will really enjoy what we're up to! Hi Armsfalloffboy - they'll be a seven page 'teaser' for the new series in the Titans/LSH annual then our first 30 page issue-proper should be in the stores in December - at least that's how I understand the set up...
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HI Barry, I read about the teaser as well but I thought the first issue of the new series was set for November?? ACK!! Another 30 days to wait!!
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I'll check up on the date - but I think it is due for early December. I'll find out on Monday from Steve Wacker.
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A release date early in December *would* take a bit of the edge off that LONG wait between the special in Sept. and the new series' debut.
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Before Christmas, I should hope. Think "stocking stuffers" people. When are we ever going to get another chance like this to hook family and friends?
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It's not November, because Legion of Super-Heroes v5 #1 is not in DC\'s November Solicits . Oh well!
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It was my understanding that the new series was always scheduled for December and we would have at least one month with no Legion. What I want to know is, did anyone else notice the DC in Demand page of #37 stating: After all the buzz created with LAST month's Teen Titans/Legion Special... Last month's special? Hello, it isn't due for release until September 29, SEVEN weeks AFTER #37's release. Even if they were writing the article from the point of view of it being October (the month date of #37) why would they? Eveyone knows the cover date isn't the date of the release and editorial information inside shouldn't be written as if future publishing events have already passed.
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Maybe they meant to say last month's ANNOUCEMENT of TT/Legion... that's wehat I figured, anyway... not sure.
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I love it. I'm proud to be a part of it. I can't wait for this.
What he said. Did anyyone else read that article about the ownership rights to the name Superboy? It now makes sense to me that they're trying to generate a Legion that stands on it's own without the big S in the book. If anyone can do that it'd be Mark Waid. Mark made the Flash interesting for God's sake. I say let's give him a chance with our book too.
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I freaked out for a second when I read the "last month's special" announcement thinking I'd somehow missed it.
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Me too. I called the comics shop to make sure I hadn't missed it. Here's that article I mentioned - http://www.newsarama.com/pages/DC/sUPERMAN_bATTLE.htm
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Barry, if you're still here can you spill the beans on who's who in the teaser image now?
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The line-up is pretty much the same as the solicitation piece - though one or two costumes have evolved since then....
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Fair enough. Thanks Barry!
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