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Viva Italia!
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(Thanks to Teeds for suggesting this thread.)

Italy, land of good food, timeless art, stunning architecture...and great pop culture!

In their music, movies, and more, the craftspeople of Italy have proven time and again their ability to stimulate that elusive sense of wonder. Which is why I think a thread celebrating their myriad contributions to global pop culture is long overdue.

Let's start with...DIABOLIK!

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The long-running fumetti (comic book) chronicling the adventures of the master thief and all-around anti-hero Diabolik and his lover/partner-in-adventure Eva Kant was made into a movie in 1968. Despite the best efforts of ironists (including the vile Beastie Boys and, sadly, the misguided latter-day MST3K) Diabolik the movie has endured as a visionary merging of the cinema and the comic book. But don't take my word for it -- in the DVD's special features, there's a great interview with none other than comic book artist supreme Steve Bissette, who praises the movie far more eloquently than I ever could.

I do, however, want to make note of the fact that Diabolik the movie was directed by Mario Bava (1914-1980), an exceptional craftsman in his field and a talent which I hope to cover in detail in future posts in this thread.


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Any links between this and Fantomas. I seem to recall reading something...memory hazy...


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Sorry, but I fear I know little or nothing about Fantomas (he was a French creation, right? Nothing against France, of course.)

The closest connection I can think of is that I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Grant Morrison's creation Fantomex is a hybrid of Fantomas and Diabolik.


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Wikipedia's not working on my computer tonight.

Thanks anyway, Teeds.


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Actually, Diabolik is a source of controversy amongst the MSTies over at Club MST3k. Some of them feel like it was picked on unfairly. Others, like Yours Truly, thought the savaging it got at the end of The Age of Best Brains was well-deserved. I don't know which faction holds the lead, however.

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I'm not surprised to learn that, Cleome. Relieved, a bit, but not surprised.

Though it's obvious we're of different minds about the movie, I respect your opinion and thank you for the heads up.


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Thanks, Doll.

I confess that the Italian stuff I've seen via The Brains often does have some stylish Mod flourishes that make it more fun and endurable than, say, the ouevre of Ed Wood. Still, the overpowering misogyny on display generally makes me want to bang my head against the wall.


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I've never read the Diabolik comic, but I would imagine Eva was less of a damsel in it than she was in the movie, because it was created and initially written by women.


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"The character was inspired by several previous characters from Italian and French pulp fiction."

"another version of the story claims that the very idea came from her finding a Fantomas novel abandoned in a train."



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Viva Italia! In addition to spending many hours in undergrad and grad school learning about Italian history--ancient, middle age and modern, I've also grown to love various aspects of Italian culture!

I come from a town with a long history of Italian immigrants. Half my aunts, uncles and cousins are part Italian.

First: the food. I love it! Not only is my aforementioned home town loaded with great Italian restaurants, I'm of course near NYC. My sister studied in Italy for a year at the Italian Culinary Institute to be a chef.

And of course, the pop culture. I'm not all that familiar with Diabolik other than hearing about how awesome it is for years. But something I do love is the film catalogue of the amazing Dario Argento. Argento has spear headed a horror movement with a style that stands apart for its color and beauty. The films are a beacon of creativity in an often repetitive and lackadaisical genre.

Comic book genius Francesco Francavilla infuses all of his work with the trappings of Italian pop culture and the result is amazing. I highly recommend anything he touches. He's a writer / artist / colorist that is 10 steps ahead of everyone else.

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Wow. Thank you, Cobie.

I agree with you on Dario Argento. I think Deep Red, Suspiria, and Tenebre are among the best horror/thriller movies ever made. Inferno has some amazing moments, too, as does the "Animal Trilogy" that started Argento's career.

We should definitely discuss Argento further in this thread.


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Speaking of Dario Argento movies, I just realized Goblin are playing relatively nearby this weekend, but I doubt I can go see them. frown

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I think the Deep Red I saw years ago was a cut version. I remember it being rather disjointed. I was going to say more than the usual Italian giallo. But perhaps all the ones I've seen have been cut.



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It's Saturday night, where's the Italo Disco??

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Sorry about that. Blame my obsolte computer for the neglect of this thread. I promise to remedy that soon.


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I know this isn't quite popular culture, but it's still significant that Italy has more UNESCO World Heritage Sites than any other world nation: italy has 49. The only other countries that have more than 40 are China with 45 and Spain with 44.

This becomes more significant when you see how much larger countries fare:

Mexico - 32
Russia - 25
USA - 21
Brazil, Australia - 19

And Greece only has 17.


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Greece really seem to have ruined their chances there. smile



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I WANT ITALO DISCO!!

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I should finally have a new computer bought and installed within the next couple weeks, so then I can pick and choose songs. Right now, I can only stumble blindly, and that won't do. But...

...will this 4-minute sampler suffice for the moment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhdli8y9fv8


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Hey, I actually know one of the songs! I heard it for the first time this year, on some random internet radio station.

The song is awesome, but it has one of the worst videos I have ever seen. I was just a kid in 1984, but I think I could have come up with something better than this.




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The New Year brings with it many things. One of them is Italo Disco videos. Enjoy.

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Here's a childhood favorite of mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRDqtdSpmLQ

And here's Soraya Arnelas' awesome 2006 cover version (she's from Spain, not Italy, but, well...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgAR_Vz4ZGc


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While it seems that Spagna may have had a run in with one of the Ranzz twins, that adds to it's appeal over the slicker cover version.



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A run-in with one of the Ranzz twins...LOL! lol

The cover version is admittedly slick, but I love its energy.


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