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Big Silver Age fan here too.

I'm surprised so many others like him though considering he hasn't really made an appearance in 30 years.

And how have I never heard of the Anti-Justice League before?!

It's my fault, so no need for a redo. thanks.

We are now moving on to the next round:

Anarky
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Calendar Man (Silver Age)
Catman (Pre-New 52)
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Crazy Quilt
Crime Doctor
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Harley Quinn
Hugo Strange
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Kite-Man
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nocturna
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Red Hood (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Signalman
Spellbinder I
Talia Al Ghul
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)

Anarky 5
Black Spider 10
Blockbuster I 9
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 1
Catman (Silver Age) 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 9
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 10
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 7
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 2
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 3
Harley Quinn 1
Hugo Strange 6
Joker (Silver Age) 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 8
Killer Moth 9
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 4
Man-Bat 9
Maxie Zeus 8
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 10
Nocturna 4
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Red Hood (Silver Age) 1
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 8
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tweedledee 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 2

I was surprised too, but turns out they appeared in Action Comics, and not in the Justice League book!

Anarky - 1
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 1
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 10
Crime Doctor - 10
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Harley Quinn - 1
Hugo Strange - 1
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 10
Kite-Man - 10
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 10
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 10
Spellbinder I - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1

I first saw him in Who's Who, but got at leas tone of his appearances off the back of that not long afterwards. The appearance I recall most for Hagen, is actually the Elseworlds Holy Terror.




One of my very early DC Action Comics was also more of a JLA tale, with the group going up against Brainiac. It was the robot version then. I guess the writers occasionally had the thought that if the threat is planetary, shouldn't the League have some involvement.

The Anti-JLA here was one Morrison was looking at when he came up with his version for the Rock of Ages storyline in his run.


On with the votes...

Anarky -10
Black Spider -4
Blockbuster I -5
Calendar Man (Silver Age) -7
Catman (Pre-New 52) -5
Catman (Silver Age) -7
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 2
Cavalier -6
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) -2
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -1
Cluemaster -6
Copperhead -3
Crazy Quilt -8
Crime Doctor -8
Deadshot -1
Dr. Phosphorous –1
Harley Quinn -10
Hugo Strange -7
Joker (Silver Age) -4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -3
Killer Moth -6
Kite-Man -7
Mad-Hatter -3
Man-Bat - 2
Maxie Zeus -4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -6
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -6
Nocturna -1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 4
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) -4
Scarecrow -3
Signalman -4
Spellbinder I -6
Talia Al Ghul -6
Tweedledee -4
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -4
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -4

Anarky...1
Black Spider...1
Blockbuster I...1
Calendar Man (Silver Age)...1
Catman (Pre-New 52)...10
Catman (Silver Age)...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)...10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Cluemaster...1
Copperhead...10
Crazy Quilt...1
Crime Doctor...10
Deadshot...10
Dr. Phosphorous...1
Harley Quinn...10
Hugo Strange...10
Joker (Silver Age)...10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Killer Moth...1
Kite-Man...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Man-Bat...1
Maxie Zeus...1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age)...10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)...10
Nocturna...10
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Red Hood (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...10
Signalman...1
Spellbinder I...1
Talia Al Ghul...10
Tweedledee...10
Tweedledum (Dumfree)...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1

They are awesome!

Anarky - 2
Black Spider - 2
Blockbuster I - 7
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 2
Catman (Pre-New 52) -1
Catman (Silver Age) -2
Catwoman (Golden Age) -1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 2
Cavalier -5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 9
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) -5
Cluemaster -6
Copperhead -7
Crazy Quilt -5
Crime Doctor -3
Deadshot -1
Dr. Phosphorous –9
Harley Quinn -2
Hugo Strange -5
Joker (Silver Age) -4
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -8
Killer Moth -5
Kite-Man -2
Mad-Hatter -7
Man-Bat - 2
Maxie Zeus -4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) -7
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -8
Nocturna -9
Penguin (Silver Age) - 3
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -2
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) -2
Scarecrow -7
Signalman -6
Spellbinder I -9
Talia Al Ghul -2
Tweedledee -8
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -10
Two-Face (Golden Age) -3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -4

Anarky 8
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 3
Calendar Man (Silver Age) 10
Catman (Pre-New 52) 10
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Catwoman (Silver Age) 5
Cavalier 5
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 5
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 3
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 5
Crazy Quilt 10
Crime Doctor 10
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 10
Harley Quinn 8
Hugo Strange 5
Joker (Silver Age) 5
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Moth 5
Kite-Man 10
Mad-Hatter 3
Man-Bat 1
Maxie Zeus 4
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 6
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 4
Nocturna 5
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Red Hood (Silver Age) 10
Riddler (Silver Age) 5
Scarecrow 5
Signalman 10
Spellbinder I 10
Talia Al Ghul 1
Tweedledee 4
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 4
Two-Face (Golden Age) 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5

I have decided to postpone the end of the round until Friday night in case people in US are traveling for Thanksgiving today and tomorrow.

Anarky - 10
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Calendar Man (Silver Age) - 1
Catman (Pre-New 52) - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 1
Copperhead - 1
Crazy Quilt - 1
Crime Doctor - 1
Deadshot - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Harley Quinn - 10
Hugo Strange - 1
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 1
Kite-Man - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 1
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) - 1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Red Hood (Silver Age) - 10
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Signalman - 1
Spellbinder I - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 10

Due to the Thanksgiving Holiday, I am posting an additional reminder. I have begun to tabulate the votes. Please submit any last minute votes by 6:45 P.M Central Time.

Here are the results as promised.

The winner of this round is: Deadshot!

The medium of this round is at around the 78-80% mark.

Deadshot 61 100%
Man-Bat 60 98%
Black Spider 55 90%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 55 90%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 55 90%
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)54 89%
Talia Al Ghul 54 89%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 54 89%
Riddler (Silver Age) 53 87%
Dr. Phosphorous 51 84%
Catman (Silver Age) 50 82%
Joker (Silver Age) 50 82%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 50 82%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)50 82%
Cavalier 49 80%
Scarecrow 49 80%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 48 79%
Mad-Hatter 48 79%
Penguin (Silver Age) 48 79%
Tweedledee 48 79%
Blockbuster I 47 77%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 46 75%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 46 75%
Maxie Zeus 45 74%
Copperhead 43 70%
Cluemaster 42 69%
Hugo Strange 42 69%
Anarky 40 65%
Killer Moth 40 65%

Close to Elimination:

Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 37 61%
Nocturna 37 61%

The following characters are eliminated:

Calendar Man (Silver Age) 36 59%
Kite-Man 36 59%
Mister Freeze (Bronze Age) 36 59%

Harley Quinn 35 57% --> Your game host is thoroughly upset. I was hoping she would win the Tournament.

Signalman 35 57%
Crime Doctor 33 54%
Crazy Quilt 32 52%
Spellbinder I 32 52% --> I do like the visuals even thouhg I know so little about the character
Catman (Pre-New 52) 30 49% --> I mourn for you too.
Red Hood (Silver Age) 25 42%

I shall absolve my tears in my favorite fan video before I begin the next round:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYa6FWdesk&spfreload=10

Please Read and Respond

In all seriousness, please suggest ideas for the seemingly inevitable Wild Card Round. We have consistently cut 10 characters in most rounds, which leaves us with 31 characters. If we are at 21 characters at the end of next round, I'm going to do a Wild Card Round to get back to an even 30 and then change the point system the following round. If we get less than 20, but more than 14 then we will make up whatever difference it is to get 15.

The thing I need help in deciding is who to include in the Wild Card Round.

1) All Eliminated Characters
2) All Eliminated After Initial (1 or 0) Rounds
3) Eliminated that made Top 100 or so
4) Eliminated that made Top 50 or so
5) Write-In Suggestion

I'm a bit surprised at the early exits of Harley Quinn and the pre-new 52 Catman too. I did think they would be more popular. However, Modern Age characters have in general done poorly in this Idol.

A tad surprised that Tweedledee and Tweedledum didn't get the same number of points. I always thought they would be a pair.

I like the idea of a Write-in Round for Wild Cards. Characters who never made the initial list can get a chance to join the game.

Anarky
Black Spider
Blockbuster I
Catman (Silver Age)
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Cluemaster
Copperhead
Dr. Phosphorous
Deadshot
Hugo Strange
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Killer Moth
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Maxie Zeus
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)
Nocturna
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Talia Al Ghul
Tweedledee
Tweedledum (Dumfree)
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)

Please also submit your opinion in regards to the the Wild Card Round with this round of votes.

Anarky 6
Black Spider 10
Blockbuster I 8
Catman (Silver Age) 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 8
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 10
Cluemaster 9
Copperhead 7
Dr. Phosphorous 7
Deadshot 1
Hugo Strange 6
Joker (Silver Age) 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 9
Killer Moth 9
Mad-Hatter 3
Man-Bat 6
Maxie Zeus 8
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 10
Nocturna 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Talia Al Ghul 2
Tweedledee 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 3
Two-Face (Golden Age) 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5

Of those who have departed...

Calendar Man - I recall more for the distinctive costume (that used be enough to sell a book), but there must have been lots of scope for date based crimes.

Kite-Man - More than the character himself, I recall someone a few years ago saying he could be brought back as a serial killer who takes kite shaped skin grafts form his victims. It was meant as a comment on just how grim comics had got as every villain was a crazed multiple murderer.

Mister Freeze - Wasn't someone who was getting lots of attention when I was reading Batman.

Harley Quinn - I've probably seen her more flipping through Suicide Squad in the shop than in anything Bat-related. There, she's the embodiment of pointless violence with no repercussions or sustainability of belief.

Signalman - Another distinctive guy, who I remember in a Perez drawn JLA story.

Crime Doctor - I always thought he had a bit of down to earth scary potential. Unlike Crazy Quilt who was quite mad.

Spellbinder I - a really distinctive costume that reminds me of Odd Man. His name seemed at odds with a Bat-Book. While I was looking at pages for this Idol, I noticed that he has a pretty cool Batman Beyond costume.

Catman was a bit of a joke character before recent years. I felt a bit sorry for the way he had been written. They certainly revitalised him, even if it was a little clichéd sounding.

As for the Red Hood, I misread the era for this one. The only one I would have voted for would have been the one that appeared in the Animal Story.

I met Harley Quinn in the animated series when I was a little girl. I always like her costume and still remember her adventures with Poison Ivy. I also like her positive attitude, bubbly personality...and it sounds like I'm not talking about a villain, does it? I guess that's part of the reason DC revised her to be at least an Anti-Heroine in the New 52. She's really marketable.

She also reminds me of a friend I had that was in an abusive relationship, so there is that as well. She's really relatable.

Anarky -10
Black Spider -5
Blockbuster I -7
Catman (Silver Age) -10
Catwoman (Golden Age) -3
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 5
Cavalier -7
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 3
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 3
Cluemaster -7
Copperhead -5
Deadshot -5
Dr. Phosphorous –3
Hugo Strange -5
Joker (Silver Age) -3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) -5
Killer Moth -10
Mad-Hatter -5
Man-Bat - 5
Maxie Zeus -5
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) -7
Nocturna -1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 7
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) -3
Riddler (Silver Age) -7
Scarecrow -3
Talia Al Ghul -7
Tweedledee -5
Tweedledum (Dumfree) -5
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) -5

As for Wild Cards, there's no one I'm desperate to see back in. So I'm happy to wait for the numbers to see if it's a everyone gets to bring one back or whether it's something broader like points allocation across all eliminations and the top X make it back in.

It's the marketable part of the character I keep bumping into whenever I see her. I'm dimly aware of a more complicated back story, but that's not the part I see. I put her in the Lobo, Deadpool category of characters. Marketable ultra violence. Or distilled Wolverine

Anarky 3
Black Spider 2
Blockbuster I 8
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 2
Cavalier 3
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 6
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 5
Cluemaster 8
Copperhead 7
Dr. Phosphorous 9
Deadshot 1
Hugo Strange 5
Joker (Silver Age) 3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 8
Killer Moth 4
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 4
Maxie Zeus 4
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 7
Nocturna 8
Penguin (Silver Age) 5
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 4
Riddler (Silver Age) 3
Scarecrow 3
Talia Al Ghul 3
Tweedledee 8
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) 6
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 3

As for the wild card round, I'm ok with any system. If the name your own system is feasible, then people would be able to add into the mix people that were overlooked or not considered. But it's about what's simplest for the game.

That's a great way to name it, Thoth. I have a similar reaction to that character oeuvre ... and for me, it's only compelling when I'm in a certain mood.

This voting has been interesting overall, because I find myself voting based on whether I would have picked up a Batman book based on the villain's involvement on the cover. Because of that, I've been scoring high for some of the more visually appealing ones (Cat Man, Anarky, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Crazy Quilt, etc.) and less for the ones that I found boring (Blockbuster, Bane, etc.).

Anarky...1
Black Spider...1
Blockbuster I...1
Catman (Silver Age)...1
Catwoman (Golden Age)...10
Catwoman (Silver Age)...10
Cavalier...1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age)...10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)...1
Cluemaster...1
Copperhead...10
Dr. Phosphorous...1
Deadshot...10
Hugo Strange...10
Joker (Silver Age)...10
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)...1
Killer Moth...1
Mad-Hatter...10
Man-Bat...1
Maxie Zeus...1
Mister Freeze (Silver Age)...10
Nocturna...1
Penguin (Silver Age)...10
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)...10
Riddler (Silver Age)...10
Scarecrow...10
Talia Al Ghul...10
Tweedledee...10
Tweedledum (Dumfree)...10
Two-Face (Golden Age)...10
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)...1

I have no preference for the Wild Card round. I know they're a staple in Idol games but I've never quite seen the point to them since the returning character usually only lasts a couple of rounds before being voted out again.

That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?).