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Signalman - Another distinctive guy, who I remember in a Perez drawn JLA story.
Crime Doctor - I always thought he had a bit of down to earth scary potential. Unlike Crazy Quilt who was quite mad.
I remember the Signalman from a JLA/JSA team up too. Always thought he was an odd choice for the Bat-villain in that team up, as I never really found him a particularly prominent villain. Crime Doctor's love and skill for torture certainly made him seem very scary.
That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?).
It was Titans I believe. Flamebird returned during the Wild Card Round and made it to the Top 3, almost beating Kole for the win. It's the marketable part of the character I keep bumping into whenever I see her. I'm dimly aware of a more complicated back story, but that's not the part I see. I put her in the Lobo, Deadpool category of characters. Marketable ultra violence. Or distilled Wolverine  That's a great way to name it, Thoth. I have a similar reaction to that character oeuvre ... and for me, it's only compelling when I'm in a certain mood. This voting has been interesting overall, because I find myself voting based on whether I would have picked up a Batman book based on the villain's involvement on the cover. Because of that, I've been scoring high for some of the more visually appealing ones (Cat Man, Anarky, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Crazy Quilt, etc.) and less for the ones that I found boring (Blockbuster, Bane, etc.). Some of these villains' looks certainly intrigued me - Spellbinder, Crazy Quilt, Cavalier, Captain Stingaree, The Spook, Nocturna, among others. As for Harley, I found her a bit bubbly-fun, which can get old through overexposure. Still, I have to say she's quite the successful character (in terms of usage) considering she's relatively new.
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I have no preference for the Wild Card round. I know they're a staple in Idol games but I've never quite seen the point to them since the returning character usually only lasts a couple of rounds before being voted out again.
That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?). The main point of them is because we don't have nice round even numbers; and unless by great luck we get even numbers or a number ending by five in the next round we risk ending up with a Top 3 Instead of a Top 2 at the end of the game. It's just easier for me to calculate.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Anarky - 1
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 10
Catman (Silver Age) - 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 1
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 10
Cluemaster - 10
Copperhead - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 1
Deadshot - 1
Hugo Strange - 1
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 10
Killer Moth - 10
Mad-Hatter - 10
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 1
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 10
Talia Al Ghul - 1
Tweedledee - 1
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 1
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 1
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I have no preference for the Wild Card round. I know they're a staple in Idol games but I've never quite seen the point to them since the returning character usually only lasts a couple of rounds before being voted out again.
That said, I do remember one Idol game where the returnee did last quite a while (maybe even getting into the Top 3 or 5?) and that was interesting to see (I can't remember which game it was. Was it the JLA one? Or one of the Titans ones?). The main point of them is because we don't have nice round even numbers; and unless by great luck we get even numbers or a number ending by five in the next round we risk ending up with a Top 3 Instead of a Top 2 at the end of the game. It's just easier for me to calculate. As Blacula mentioned though, the Wild Card was a huge upset in Titans Idol. Flamebird returned and managed to make it all the way to the final round, placing within the Top 3. So you never know...
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I'd have voted for Flamebird Retroactive votes don't count?! It's posted in the wrong Idol thread?! Bah!
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You're about 2 years too late I believe
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I thought someone who traps time would be more sympathetic
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I may trap time but it does not make counting votes any less tedious 
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My thoughts on the Wild Card: We have a pretty low number of participants, why not just have everyone bring back one character that round?
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Anarky 10
Black Spider 3
Blockbuster I 3
Catman (Silver Age) 5
Catwoman (Golden Age) 5
Catwoman (Silver Age) 5
Cavalier 10
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 3
Cluemaster 10
Copperhead 5
Dr. Phosphorous 5
Deadshot 1
Hugo Strange 1
Joker (Silver Age) 3
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 1
Killer Moth 5
Mad-Hatter 4
Man-Bat 1
Maxie Zeus 5
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 5
Nocturna 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 2
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 4
Riddler (Silver Age) 3
Scarecrow 2
Talia Al Ghul 1
Tweedledee 3
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 3
Two-Face (Golden Age) 3
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
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Anarky - 10
Black Spider - 1
Blockbuster I - 1
Catman (Silver Age) - 1
Catwoman (Golden Age) - 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) - 1
Cavalier - 1
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) - 10
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) - 1
Cluemaster - 10
Copperhead - 1
Dr. Phosphorous - 10
Deadshot - 10
Hugo Strange - 10
Joker (Silver Age) - 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) - 1
Killer Moth - 1
Mad-Hatter - 1
Man-Bat - 1
Maxie Zeus - 10
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) - 1
Nocturna - 10
Penguin (Silver Age) - 1
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) - 1
Riddler (Silver Age) - 1
Scarecrow - 1
Talia Al Ghul - 10
Tweedledee - 10
Tweedledum (Dumfree) - 10
Two-Face (Golden Age) - 1
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) - 10
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I will be tabulating the votes today. Please submit any last minute votes by 9:40 P.M today Central Time. After I tabulate the votes, one of two things will occur:
1) We get even numbers or number ending with five, therefore no need for Wild Card round at this time.
2) We don't get even numbers or a number ending with five, in which case we do a Wild Card Round. It will probably be a Write-In Round. If we need more characters than posters present, I will use a random number generator to fill in the missing spots. If there are more posters than characters needed, it will be up for a general vote to decide who qualifies for the Wild Card Round.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Thanks, Emily
This is fascinating to watch... I've been trying to figure out the mechanics of it so I can host one in the future
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Emily has introduced some interesting new changes to the mechanics. As a previous Idol host I find them refreshing.
Would love to have you run some in the future too Myg.
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I'm busy looking up famous statuettes from the DCU, so I can run Idol Idol.
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The Legion would dominate that game. Their idols can give you powers!
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I think the Seven Deadlies might give them the edge there.
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The Winner of this Round is Man-Bat.
Man-Bat 58 100%
Catwoman (Golden Age) 55 94%
Joker (Silver Age) 55 94%
Black Spider 54 93%
Two-Face (Golden Age) 52 90%
Riddler (Silver Age) 51 88%
Mad-Hatter 49 84%
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 49 84%
Deadshot 48 83%
Scarecrow 47 81%
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 47 81%
Cavalier 46 79%
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 44 76%
Penguin (Silver Age) 44 76%
Catwoman (Silver Age) 43 74%
Talia Al Ghul 43 74%
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 42 72%
Nocturna 42 72%
Copperhead 41 71%
Dr. Phosphorous 41 71%
In the interest of time, I have decided to eliminate everyone that got less than 70%--that is a C grade. Otherwise, we would have only eliminated two characters this round.
Blockbuster I 39 67%
Hugo Strange 39 67% <-- A little surprising given his role in a recent popular video game.
Killer Moth 37 64%
Tweedledee 37 64% <-- Only two Golden Age characters remain in the Tournament by my count.
Anarky 36 62%
Clayface I (Karlo) (Golden Age) 36 62% <-- I kept voting for him because he looks like the Phantom of the Opera.
Mister Freeze (Silver Age) 36 62%
Catman (Silver Age) 35 60%
Tweedledum (Dumfree) 35 60%
Maxie Zeus 34 59%
Cluemaster 22 38%
A total of 11 characters were eliminated this round. There will be no Wild Card Round yet. A new round will be up early tomorrow evening.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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The bloodbath continues! Am I correct that Catwoman is the only one to have two versions remaining?
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Interesting to see Nocturna hanging in there. Who knew she made such an impression on early Jason Todd fans? Who knew she'd outlast Harley?
She, Croc and Ventiloquist are the last of the 80's created villains that I can see. Meaning the rest are at least 30+ years old.
EDITED: Forgot Croc.
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Some interesting ones going this round.
Blockbuster I - The foe who could easily outmuscle Bats, forcing him to rely on his wits.
Hugo Strange - The man who knew Bats identity, tearing away the Wayne/Batman masks.
Clayface I (Karlo) - I thought his Who's Who entry was very dated looking. But he's appealed more as I've got older. His is a story of revenge and horror in the style of classic horror movies.
Clayface is the man of a thousand faces like a twisted Lon Chaney. It links him thematically with the Joker who was visually Conrad Veidt as The Man Who Laughed. I've wondered if the Hugo in Hugo Strange was after Victor Hugo who wrote the novel. Then there's the Jeckyll & Hyde inspiration for Harvey Dent, which had been filmed numerous times.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum have a different literary origin, but certainly continue to emphasise the threads of insanity that underpin the best of Gotham's criminals.
I thought Mister Freeze would have been more popular. There was a time when he seemed to be a big Bat-Villain. He didn't really appear in many comics I had, and didn't impress when he did. Besides I was reading about Captian Cold and Killer Frost and there was the Cryogenic Man over in Outsiders so it's not as though there was a shortage of similar characters. Icicle from the JLA/JSA crossover ...
I recall the art on Maxie Zeus both in Who's Who and the Outsiders more than the character himself. I quite liked the New Olympians at the time and they were something different. Visually quite distinctive. Was that Willingham?
Killer Moth's villainous costume, with others, attacked the JLA and that's where I know him best from. He was an anti batman at one point, saving crooks from the authorities. That was probably when he was at his best, rather than just another costumed villain.
I know the Cluemaster mainly from his appearances in Justice League. He was actually the most interesting of the group. But why have Clues when you have Riddles I guess.
As for Nocturna, I was happily surprised that she made it past the earliest rounds, so I've been giving my support. More on why later on I hope.
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Black Spider
Catwoman (Golden Age)
Catwoman (Silver Age)
Cavalier
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age)
Copperhead
Deadshot
Dr. Phosphorous
Joker (Silver Age)
Killer Croc (Bronze Age)
Mad-Hatter
Man-Bat
Nocturna
Penguin (Silver Age)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Riddler (Silver Age)
Scarecrow
Talia Al Ghul
Two-Face (Golden Age)
Ventriloquist I (Arnold)
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My votes:
Black Spider 10
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 10
Cavalier 8
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 10
Copperhead 8
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 5
Joker (Silver Age) 1
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 8
Mad-Hatter 2
Man-Bat 7
Nocturna 7
Penguin (Silver Age) 9
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 1
Scarecrow 1
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two-Face (Golden Age) 2
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
I've been voting for Nocturna because she looks visually cool. She has a nice entry in a Batman guide I own.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Interesting to see Nocturna hanging in there. Who knew she made such an impression on early Jason Todd fans? Who knew she'd outlast Harley?
She, Croc and Ventiloquist are the last of the 80's created villains that I can see. Meaning the rest are at least 30+ years old.
EDITED: Forgot Croc. I never actually read a comic with Nocturna in it, but her bios on wikipedia etc have intrigued me. Like with thoth, I encountered Cluemaster during the Giffen JLA era. Always felt he was overshadowed by the rest though.
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Black Spider 4
Catwoman (Golden Age) 1
Catwoman (Silver Age) 3
Cavalier 3
Clayface II (Hagen) (Silver Age) 2
Copperhead 8
Deadshot 1
Dr. Phosphorous 8
Joker (Silver Age) 2
Killer Croc (Bronze Age) 7
Mad-Hatter 5
Man-Bat 4
Nocturna 9
Penguin (Silver Age) 6
Poison Ivy (Silver Age) 5
Riddler (Silver Age) 2
Scarecrow 4
Talia Al Ghul 2
Two-Face (Golden Age) 4
Ventriloquist I (Arnold) 5
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Quite a culled list! I'm sorry to see some of the zanier ones go (ahhh, Kite Man, Crazy Quilt, Terrible Trio) ... and I'm NOT sorry to see some of the more aggro ones go
A little surprised at the perseverance of some - it's nice to see how these villains fare across all our opinions
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