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I am currently watching the 1st season of Legends of Tomorrow. I have 4 episodes to go. I find it painful to watch this show. First it suffers from the problem of characters doing and saying things because that is what the script has them do or say rather than from true motivations. t starts off with Rip Hunter gathering the heroes (and Captain Cold & Heatwave) to fight Vandal Savage. Except for two of the characters, the other should be saying "Who are you, who is Vandal Savage, and why exactly should we go with you?" But nope, they all (well almost all) go with Rip Hunter.

The second problem is that the writers don't think about how the heroes would actually use their powers. Almost every episode Martin Stein and Jackson Jefferson (the other half of Firestorm) are separated, one going on the episode mission while the other stays in the ship. Gee you think they should stick together more so they can becomes Firestorm if need be?

I wouldn't watch Legends of Tomorrow if Warner Bros paid me to.

Oh dear. What you describe sounds like really awful writing, Quis.

I find the same problem of characters doing and saying things because that is what the script has them do or say rather than from true motivations in Supergirl and Flash. A little less in Arrow

Hm, that doesn't sound good for the DC television universe.

This discussion has gotten me thinking about previous DC Comics television adaptations, and I've just realized, the only two I've ever genuinely liked were Super Friends and Batman: The Animated Series.

I liked the recent animated Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

They weren't bad IMO, and they were certainly more sophisticated in terms of animation and storytelling. Most importantly, having John Stewart as Green Lantern and Hawkwoman instead of Hawkman were very progressive developments that deserve to be lauded.

But...I just didn't find those series to be much fun to watch. They just seemed so self-important and so caught up in their own seriousness. Having said that, I should add that don't like the other extreme of unhinged, comedic goofiness (Batman: Brave and the Bold) either.

Those are probably still my favorite versions of John Stewart and Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman.

I never cared for John Stewart. Hal Jordan always seemed cooler to me.

Tasmanian Devil supposedly had a crush on Hal.

Fair enough. Hal was my first (male) comic book crush (Marvel's Dani Moonstar was my first female one) and John Stewart's portrayals in the comics have tended towards either Angry Black Man stereotypes or Bland Inoffensive Black Man stereotypes. But I think the cartoon got John just right -- strong and aggressive, but at the same time sensible and thoughtful. And Phil LaMarr's wonderful voice acting certainly helped a thousandfold.

I totally agree. Toon John had a great personality.

I really like Young Justice. Great characters and character development.

I have heard good things about it as well.

I love the Young Justice ongoing comic book series by Peter David & Todd Nauck. It's one of the few comic book series from the (relatively) recent past that recaptures the anything-goes charm of the Silver Age without being imitative of the Silver Age.

I never watched the Young Justice cartoon, I forget why. I do remember being righteously angry when it was cancelled for reasons that had something to do with it appealing more to girls than to boys. I can't remember the exact reasons right now, but no matter what they are, I do recall that they were stupid.

I loved the snarky young Dick Grayson/Robin. You also get to see a bunch of JLAers. At first I was annoyed when the second season started 5 years later, but quickly got over it.

I definitely recommend watching it Fanfic Lady

It was doing so well, I'm sure it could last for many more seasons.

Quis, thanks for the recommendation.

Ibby, I think far too many adventure cartoons are taken off the air when they've still got lots of stories left to tell.

I mean, hell, I think even Super Friends could have gone on for at least another couple of seasons! By the last season, the animation and the designs had improved exponentially, and even though the writing was going through what might be called a transitional phase into something darker and less camp than previous seasons, I still think it could have evolved into something special.

And I'm still considering writing that Super Friends fanfic where they go to Earth-2 and team up with Fury, Jade, Nuklon, Obsidian, and Silver Scarab.

That would be a nice story.

I am currently reading Ravensbruck by Sarah Helm. It is about the Nazi concentration camp for women. It is well written but some parts are real heavy and dark.

I try to avoid reading sad books; I prefer reading for escapism. That said, I do appreciate a well-written sad story too.

This is non-fiction so not really escapism material. But there was a part I just read that gives hope.

There was a group of about 70 women that the Nazis experimented on. They got the nickname of "rabbits". After the experiments, they were always in fear of being killed (having the evidence of the experiments disposed of) This fear almost became reality towards the end of the war. But when they got wind of it, they decided to "hide" among the other prisoners. Other prisoners took their place in the roll call. Most of the rabbits were Polish, but even the Russian prisoners helped hide them, even giving some of the rabbits their ration of soup. They were hid for 2 weeks and no one in the camp gave them away.

Same here.

I will admit I have a voracious appetite for biographies of entertainers, the more tragic and sordid the better.

Schadenfraude, perhaps? I read an article by a Nigerian, who confessed to feeling a little bit of satisfaction that Brexit might cause UK citizens to need visas to travel within the Schengen area.