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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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(Maybe someone with Mod privileges in this forum can change the thread title to show that the game has started?)
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Has it started? I was wondering if Emily was going to open the round formally by herself.... but then, nobody objected to the list AND it is past her intended "opening" time...
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oops, forgot to make the edit. it's done now
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This list is huge. I will need a little more time with it.
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Thank you for changing the thread title, I was thinking about that when I was gone. I understand this list is long and has some extremely different versions of characters (JLAU is extremely different from Main DCU and Superfriends often represents the Silver Age versions for this game). I will keep this open until Saturday night at 6:00 PM Central Time. I may begin entering votes into the spreadsheet prior to that time due to the length, however, so if you edit your post please let me know.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Em, thanks for putting it together I know the list is long but some of those folks brought a smile to my face as I remembered them!
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1s for :-
Amazo Amos Fortune Anti-Matter Man Anton Allegro Appelaxians Brainstorm Cadre Calculator Cheetah Chronos Circe Colonel Rumann Harjavti Commander Blanx Construct Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) Darkseid Demons Three Despero Doctor Destiny Doctor Light Eclipso Extremists Felix Faust Floronic Man Garn Daanuth General Getaway Mastermind Gorilla Grodd Gray Man Headmaster Mind Hector Hammond Hyathis Hyperclan Jack O'Lantern III Joker Kanjor Ro Key Killer Frost Lex Luthor Libra Lord of Time Manhunters Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) Merlyn Mordru Morgaine Le Fay Nebula Man Nekron Neron Overmaster Paragon Parasite Penguin Per Degaton Poison Ivy Professor Ivo Professor Zoom Prometheus Queen Bee Queen Bee II Queen of Fables Qwisp Royal Flush Gang Saturna Scarecrow Shadow Thief Shaggy Man Simon Magus Sinestro Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) Solaris Solomon Grundy Sonar Spaceman X Spirit King Starbreaker Starro Star Sapphire III Tattooed Man T.O. Morrow Tornado Tyrant Ultra-Humanite Vandal Savage Wally Tortollini Wandjina Warlock of YS Weapons Master Wizard Xotar the Weapons Master
"...not having to believe in a thing to be interested in it and not having to explain a thing to appreciate the wonder of it."
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I like long lists Emily, if you want to, I can try to teach you how to automatically "look up" the votes in Excel. That's how I do it with my Idols, and it makes it easier and reduces error. +1 for Amazo Amos Fortune Appelaxians Atomic Skull (DCAU) Bizarro (DCAU) Brainiac Brainiac 13 Brimstone Cadre Captain Cold Catwoman Cheetah Cheetah (DCAU) Cheshire Chronos Circe Clayface (DCAU) Colonel Rumann Harjavti Construct Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) Cyborg Superman Darkseid Deadshot Demons Three Desaad Despero Doctor Destiny (DCAU) Doctor Destiny Doctor Sivana (Superfriends) Doomsday Eclipso Eurocrime Extremists Felix Faust Floronic Man Galatea (JLU) Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) Giganta Giganta (DCAU) Goldface (DCAU) Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) Gorilla Grodd Hector Hammond Imperiex Johnny Sorrow Kalibak Kanjor Ro Key Kid Amazo Kilg%re Killer Frost (DCAU) Killer Frost Lex Luthor Lex Luthor (Super-Friends) Livewire (DCAU) Manchester Black Manga Khan Manhunters Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) Menagerie Man (Superfriends) Metallo (DCAU) Metallo (Justice) Mirror Master (Superfriends) Mister Nebula Mordru Morgaine Le Fay Neron Overmaster Parasite (DCAU) Parasite Penguin Per Degaton Plastique Poison Ivy Professor Ivo Professor Zoom Queen Bee Queen Bee II Queen of Fables Qwisp Rampage (DCAU) Royal Flush Gang Scarecrow Scarecrow (Superfriends) Scarlet Skier Shadow Thief Shaggy Man Silver Banshee (DCAU) Sinestro Solaris Solomon Grundy Sonar Starbreaker Starro Steppenwolf Star Sapphire III Tala (DCAU) Tattooed Man Tender Mercy T.O. Morrow Tornado Tyrant Toyman Triumph Toyman (DCAU) Toyman (Superfriends) Ultra-Humanite Ulitmen (DCAU) Vandal Savage Wally Tortollini Wandjina Warlock of YS Weather Wizard (Superfriends) Weapons Master
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Thank you, Invisible Brainiac, I would like to learn how to use Excel better.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Same here! I had such a hard time with my Idol
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I'll PM you guys - it will probably be easiest if I can email you an Excel file so you have the formulas ready You will need VLOOKUP, and LEFT/MID/RIGHT (this last batch of formulas trims the text so you can match the lists
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I am going to delay the vote counts by at least 24 hours then so I can learn these new functions. Hopefully more people will also vote so I don't have to break ties. I will vote next round to ensure this won't be a problem in the future.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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emailed you both, Emily and Myg hope my sheet and explanations are clear! thanks again for running this Emily. I realize now how much i missed Idol games
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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
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So, we have interesting results. I feel like if I put this in a graph it would be a bell curve. We might have time for a couple of Wild Card Rounds, as we have eliminated 29 characters. That is about 1/7th of the total number of characters.
The Results of Round One Amazo 4 Amos Fortune 4 Appelaxians 4 Cadre 4 Colonel Rumann Harjavti 4 Construct 4 Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) 4 Demons Three 4 Despero 4 Doctor Destiny 4 Eclipso 4 Extremists 4 Felix Faust 4 Floronic Man 4 Hector Hammond 4 Kanjor Ro 4 Key 4 Manhunters 4 Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) 4 Overmaster 4 Professor Ivo 4 Queen Bee 4 Queen Bee II 4 Royal Flush Gang 4 Shadow Thief 4 Shaggy Man 4 Starbreaker 4 Starro 4 Star Sapphire III 4 Tattooed Man 4 T.O. Morrow 4 Tornado Tyrant 4 Warlock of YS 4 Weapons Master 4 Anton Allegro 3 Brainstorm 3 Cheetah 3 Chronos 3 Circe 3 Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) 3 Darkseid 3 Doctor Light 3 Eurocrime 3 Gorilla Grodd 3 Gray Man 3 Hyathis 3 Killer Frost 3 Lex Luthor 3 Libra 3 Lord of Time 3 Mordru 3 Nebula Man 3 Neron 3 Parasite 3 Penguin 3 Poison Ivy 3 Queen of Fables 3 Qwisp 3 Scarecrow 3 Sinestro 3 Solaris 3 Solomon Grundy 3 Sonar 3 Spirit King 3 Ultra-Humanite 3 Vandal Savage 3 Wandjina 3 Wizard 3 Xotar the Weapons Master 3 Anti-Matter Man 2 Aryan Brigade 2 Atomic Skull (DCAU) 2 Bizarro (DCAU) 2 Brainiac 2 Brimstone 2 Calculator 2 Captain Cold 2 Catwoman 2 Cheetah (DCAU) 2 Clayface (DCAU) 2 Commander Blanx 2 Conglomerate 2 Deadshot 2 Desaad 2 Doctor Sivana (Superfriends) 2 Doomsday 2 Electocutioner 2 Galatea (JLU) 2 Garn Daanuth 2 General 2 Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) 2 Getaway Mastermind 2 Giganta 2 Giganta (DCAU) 2 Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) 2 Hyperclan 2 Jack O'Lantern III 2 Joker 2 Kalibak 2 Kilg%re 2 Killer Frost (DCAU) 2 Lex Luthor (Super-Friends) 2 Manchester Black 2 Manga Khan 2 Merlyn 2 Metallo (DCAU) 2 Mirror Master (Superfriends) 2 Morgaine Le Fay 2 Nekron 2 Paragon 2 Per Degaton 2 Plastique 2 Professor Zoom 2 Prometheus 2 Saturna 2 Scarecrow (Superfriends) 2 Scarlet Skier 2 Silver Banshee (DCAU) 2 Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) 2 Spaceman X 2 Steppenwolf 2 Toyman 2 Triumph 2 Toyman (Superfriends) 2 Wally Tortollini 2 Weather Wizard (Superfriends) 2 Agamemno 1 Aquarius 1 Asmodel 1 Bizarro (Superfriends) 1 Black Manta 1 Blockbuster 1 Brainiac 13 1 Brainiac (Superfriends) 1 Cheetah (Super-Friends) 1 Cheshire 1 Crowbar (DCAU) 1 Cyborg Superman 1 Deathstroke 1 Devilray (DCAU Black Manta) 1 Doctor Destiny (DCAU) 1 Doctor Impossible 1 Electocutioner (DCAU) 1 Evil Star (DCAU) 1 Fastball (DCAU) 1 Fernus 1 Firefly 1 Gentleman Ghost (Superfriends) 1 Goldface (DCAU) 1 Headmaster Mind 1 Imperiex 1 Johnny Sorrow 1 Julian September 1 KGBeast (DCAU) 1 Kid Amazo 1 Kromm 1 Livewire (DCAU) 1 Malefic 1 Menagerie Man (Superfriends) 1 Metallo (Justice) 1 Mister Nebula 1 Parasite (DCAU) 1 Rama Khan 1 Rampage (DCAU) 1 Riddler 1 Sayyar 1 Siren 1 Superboy-Prime 1 Tala (DCAU) 1 Tender Mercy 1 Troll King 1 Toyman (DCAU) 1 Ulitmen (DCAU) 1
These are eliminated this round Advanced Man 0 Alaric 0 Anansi 0 Antithesis 0 Black Adam (Justice) 0 Chair 0 Crucifer 0 David Graves 0 Devastator 0 Devilfish 0 Doctor Cyber (DCAU) 0 <-- Forgive me if my spelling error contributed in some way Doctor Nataz (Superfriends) 0 Hellgrammite (DCAU) 0 <-- His existence and obscurity baffled me, which is why he made the list. Hunter 0 King Kull 0 Know Man 0 Konvikt 0 Luck League 0 Magog (Kingdom Come) 0 <-- Kind of surprised nobody threw in a vote for being the villain of a memorable Elseworlds story Marshal 0 Millenium Giants 0 Nick Necro 0 Omega Man 0 Packrat 0 Peraxxus 0 Plura 0 Red King 0 Simon Magus 0 Spore 0
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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About Magog, I think his JSA counterpart turned me off him.
mostly classic villains at the top of this round, but nice to see Colonel Harvarti (i know i spelled wrong but i'm in a hurry) and Queen Bee II
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I agree about Magog - the JSA stories were abysmal and really turned the character from "meh" (in the way that I find all war god cyborgs - a little too Image-y circa 1990s) to UGH
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The "New" Magog in JSA wasn't great, but he did have one good issue which was as a guest star in the SHEILD series, one of the better Impact/Red Circle attempts by DC. It made for a good soldier & marine butting heads partnership/rivalry.
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I feel like we had more players in some of the other games. Other than Set (who I found via the shout box), who normally plays that did not post in the first round? I am thinking of sending a PM before starting the next round.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
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I would recommend opening each round as soon as possible after a previous one has finished, and then keeping them open longer if necessary to attract more voters. Longer rounds = more opportunities for someone to notice the game and vote. PMs or Shout Box comments always help too. Re: Magog - It's been ages since I read those JSA comics, but I think I remember thinking he was... OK. I seem to remember thinking this was the first version of the character that I ever understood; the first 3 or 4 versions hadn't received much exploration of their motivations (as far as I was aware), whereas David was given some believable and sympathetic motivations for going down the darker path wasn't he? I never read his solo series or the issues after Johns left though so I'm not sure if he got worse after then?
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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Round 1)
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As Blacula suggested, I have found PMs to be very useful. I usually get 3-5 players who only find out about Idol because of PMs, sometimes even more. Facebook is also an option for those who do not check the Boards often.
once people are aware of the game, I found that they usually voted within the first 24 hours of a new Round. 48 is my usual round length though just to give a reasonable amount of time. 72 hours is probably okay too.
re Magog
I remember Magog being OK in JSA proper. He started going downhill in All-Stars, and he was such a horrible character - without nuance - by the time he left that I didn't even care when he died.
His evolution? Well-meaning in JSA, began to question the proactive stance of the team, eventually led to half the team splitting and forming the All-Stars (at that point Magog was still a balanced character IMO). In All-Stars he became more aggressive and ends-justify-the-means. finally, he blasted Cyclone in the middle of a prison riot, and when Power Girl called hin out he just said, "she came up on my blind side". That was such a bad moment that it ruined him completely, changing him from a multi-dimensional character to a caricature that we have seen so often before.
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It's also summer (in the Northern Hemisphere) and people have vacations and are outside doing stuff more. I missed the first round because I was away at a campsite for the whole duration.
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Re: Legion of Doom Idol (Planning Stage)
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Without further ado, I will start the next round. This is another 1 or 0 round. After this round, I will copy the basic rules from the Bat-villain Idol and we will begin ranking.
By the way, I have been thinking of an Idol for the minor villains or characters with small rogue rosters (Superman and Wonder Woman being the most obvious).
Agamemno Amazo Amos Fortune Anti-Matter Man Anton Allegro Appelaxians Aquarius Aryan Brigade Asmodel Atomic Skull (DCAU) Bizarro (DCAU) Bizarro (Superfriends) Black Manta Blockbuster Brainiac Brainiac (Superfriends) Brainiac 13 Brainstorm Brimstone Cadre Calculator Captain Cold Catwoman Cheetah Cheetah (DCAU) Cheetah (Super-Friends) Cheshire Chronos Circe Clayface (DCAU) Colonel Rumann Harjavti Commander Blanx Conglomerate Construct Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter) Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) Crowbar (DCAU) Cyborg Superman Darkseid Deadshot Deathstroke Demons Three Desaad Despero Devilray (DCAU Black Manta) Doctor Destiny Doctor Destiny (DCAU) Doctor Impossible Doctor Light Doctor Sivana (Superfriends) Doomsday Eclipso Electocutioner Electocutioner (DCAU) Eurocrime Evil Star (DCAU) Extremists Fastball (DCAU) Felix Faust Fernus Firefly Floronic Man Galatea (JLU) Garn Daanuth General Gentleman Ghost (DCAU) Gentleman Ghost (Superfriends) Getaway Mastermind Giganta Giganta (DCAU) Goldface (DCAU) Gorilla Grodd Gorilla Grodd (DCAU) Gray Man Headmaster Mind Hector Hammond Hyathis Hyperclan Imperiex Jack O'Lantern III Johnny Sorrow Joker Julian September Kalibak Kanjor Ro Key KGBeast (DCAU) Kid Amazo Kilg%re Killer Frost Killer Frost (DCAU) Kromm Lex Luthor Lex Luthor (Super-Friends) Libra Livewire (DCAU) Lord of Time Malefic Manchester Black Manga Khan Manhunters Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) Menagerie Man (Superfriends) Merlyn Metallo (DCAU) Metallo (Justice) Mirror Master (Superfriends) Mister Nebula Mordru Morgaine Le Fay Nebula Man Nekron Neron Overmaster Paragon Parasite Parasite (DCAU) Penguin Per Degaton Plastique Poison Ivy Professor Ivo Professor Zoom Prometheus Queen Bee Queen Bee II Queen of Fables Qwisp Rama Khan Rampage (DCAU) Riddler Royal Flush Gang Saturna Sayyar Scarecrow Scarecrow (Superfriends) Scarlet Skier Shadow Thief Shaggy Man Silver Banshee (DCAU) Sinestro Siren Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) Solaris Solomon Grundy Sonar Spaceman X Spirit King Star Sapphire III Starbreaker Starro Steppenwolf Superboy-Prime T.O. Morrow Tala (DCAU) Tattooed Man Tender Mercy Tornado Tyrant Toyman Toyman (DCAU) Toyman (Superfriends) Triumph Troll King Ulitmen (DCAU) Ultra-Humanite Vandal Savage Wally Tortollini Wandjina Warlock of YS Weapons Master Weather Wizard (Superfriends) Wizard Xotar the Weapons Master
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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1s for:-
Amazo Amos Fortune Anti-Matter Man Anton Allegro Appelaxians Aquarius Black Manta Blockbuster Brainstorm Brimstone Cadre Calculator Captain Cold Catwoman Cheetah Chronos Circe Colonel Rumann Harjavti Conglomerate Construct Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) Darkseid Demons Three Despero Doctor Destiny Doctor Light Eclipso Extremists Felix Faust Floronic Man General Getaway Mastermind Gorilla Grodd Gray Man Headmaster Mind Hector Hammond Hyathis Hyperclan Jack O'Lantern III Joker Kanjor Ro Key Killer Frost Lex Luthor Libra Lord of Time Manhunters Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) Merlyn Mordru Morgaine Le Fay Nebula Man Nekron Overmaster Paragon Per Degaton Poison Ivy Professor Ivo Queen Bee Queen Bee II Royal Flush Gang Saturna Shaggy Man Sinestro Siren Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) Solaris Solomon Grundy Sonar Spaceman X Spirit King Star Sapphire III Starbreaker Starro T.O. Morrow Tattooed Man Tornado Tyrant Ultra-Humanite Vandal Savage Wally Tortollini Warlock of YS Weapons Master Wizard Xotar the Weapons Master
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1 point for the following. 0 for the rest.
Amazo Amos Fortune Anti-Matter Man Anton Allegro Appelaxians Aquarius Aryan Brigade Brainstorm Cadre Colonel Rumann Harjavti Commander Blanx Conglomerate Construct Crime Syndicate (Earth 3) Demons Three Despero Doctor Destiny Doctor Light Electocutioner Eurocrime Extremists Felix Faust Garn Daanuth Getaway Mastermind Gray Man Headmaster Mind Hector Hammond Hyathis Kanjor Ro Key Kromm Libra Lord of Time Manhunters Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar) Merlyn Nebula Man Nekron Overmaster Paragon Professor Ivo Queen Bee Queen Bee II Royal Flush Gang Saturna Sayyar Shadow Thief Shaggy Man Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar) Spaceman X Spirit King Star Sapphire III Starbreaker Starro T.O. Morrow Tattooed Man Tornado Tyrant Warlock of YS Weapons Master Wizard Xotar the Weapons Master
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re Magog
I remember Magog being OK in JSA proper. He started going downhill in All-Stars, and he was such a horrible character - without nuance - by the time he left that I didn't even care when he died.
His evolution? Well-meaning in JSA, began to question the proactive stance of the team, eventually led to half the team splitting and forming the All-Stars (at that point Magog was still a balanced character IMO). In All-Stars he became more aggressive and ends-justify-the-means. finally, he blasted Cyclone in the middle of a prison riot, and when Power Girl called hin out he just said, "she came up on my blind side". That was such a bad moment that it ruined him completely, changing him from a multi-dimensional character to a caricature that we have seen so often before. Yeesh. Sounds like I got out of that series at the right time. What a character assassination. To me, the JSA seems like it would be one of the easiest teams/properties to write/manage, but Willingham proved that he had no idea what he was doing with them, and these writers sound even worse.
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