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In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
I don't know if those examples make something like the combination of Dawny and Drake more or less probable.
There are two examples of him, or a version of him, existing for ubber lengths of time without a suit, the DnA LOST arc and the 1,000,000 year special. So, being without his suit might be isolating and not much fun, but it won't kill him. Unless, of course, DC drastically changes him in this boot. Again,
In pre-Zero Hour, Giffin drew Drake and Dawnstar in an intimate moment with multiple hand prints burned on her body. Drake flipped out about it and left her, even though she asked him to stay.
Those things being said, I still like your idea of the two combining, especially if it's longterm. Like, what would he do if she fell in love with someone and had a family?
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quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: There are two examples of him, or a version of him, existing for ubber lengths of time without a suit, the DnA LOST arc and the 1,000,000 year special.
I remember the 1,000,000 special in particular, since he's pretty much the only Legionnaire that was likely to live that long.
quote: In pre-Zero Hour, Giffin drew Drake and Dawnstar in an intimate moment with multiple hand prints burned on her body. Drake flipped out about it and left her, even though she asked him to stay.
I never liked that bit, because Dawny's body is immune to various environmental effects, including the friction burns of travelling at incredible speeds in-atmosphere, and the brutal temperatures, radiation and pressure differentials of outer space. *If* Drake was capable of forming an energy body that wasn't destructive enough to destroy the atmosphere of whatever planet he was on (which he apparently was), Dawny shouldn't have been burned by contact with it.
Indeed, when out of suit, Drake's energy is harmless to *everyone,* so it should be doubleplusharmless to Dawny!
But that's Giffen for ya. The same guy who decided that Polar Boy, a character that for years dressed in a fur-trimmed parka, because earth's temperature was freezing cold to Tharrans, would then decide to take his fur-trimmed hat off and wear a block of *ice* on his head.
It's like he doesn't even think about this stuff.
"Fire Lad has fire for hair, why not have Polar Boy have ice for hair! And, Stone Boy can have rock-hair, and Chlorophyll Kid can have plant-hair, and Night Girl can have... uh, night-hair! Aren't I terribly clever!"
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I believe both the Drake-burns-Dawny scene and the ice hair were Laroque rather than Giffen.
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quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
Blast-Off and Atom'X (although even the writers got Atom'X and Blast-Off mixed up more than once for... some reason.)
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quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: I believe both the Drake-burns-Dawny scene and the ice hair were Laroque rather than Giffen.
Eh, I'm gonna blame it on Giffen anyway. Easier to blame all the stuff I don't like on one guy, than keep track of a whole bunch of folks!
It wouldn't be an irrational dislike if it made sense, after all!
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quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
Blast-Off and Atom'X (although even the writers got Atom'X and Blast-Off mixed up more than once for... some reason.)
Actually, IIRC, Atom'x was originally intended to be the reboot Atmos, but when Lee Moder drew him wrong, TPTB found it easier to make him a new character with a similar name than to erase his armpits.
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quote:Originally posted by Set: But that's Giffen for ya. The same guy who decided that Polar Boy, a character that for years dressed in a fur-trimmed parka, because earth's temperature was freezing cold to Tharrans, would then decide to take his fur-trimmed hat off and wear a block of *ice* on his head.
It's like he doesn't even think about this stuff.
To be fair, most writers are not well-versed enough in the laws of thermodynamics to get that Polar Boy does not create cold, he absorbs heat. Of course, that's because paying too much attention to that would necessarily prompt the question, how much heat can he absorb before he gives himself a stroke?
The other confusing aspect, for me anyway, is that Tharr is a desert world. IIRC, it's inhabitants developed the power to absorb heat as a way of cooling their environment. But that's kind of like saying, I shall keep from drowning by chugging this bucket of water down my windpipe!
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I didn't know that Polar Boy absorbed heat. gosh How does that work?
I always thought that he generated cold, sort of like Iceman; or channeled it, maybe. Sort of like how the girl in 'Firestarter' by king, channeled heat, only instead of from the sun, like she did, the Tharrians grab cold from outer space.
I'm sorry about the Giffin reference, although that allowed Set to post hilariously, which was fun. I don't have the issues from that era anymore. I really thought it was from his last stint before TMK and his drastic change in illustrating style. sigh
I didn't realize that Wildfire was creating his own 'body' then, either. I thought it was just his face that he was forming, while the rest of his energy was inside a containment suit. My memory is a bust. Or, maybe IN my bust, rather than my brain, anymore.
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
Blast-Off and Atom'X (although even the writers got Atom'X and Blast-Off mixed up more than once for... some reason.)
Actually, IIRC, Atom'x was originally intended to be the reboot Atmos, but when Lee Moder drew him wrong, TPTB found it easier to make him a new character with a similar name than to erase his armpits.
He was, although more from the lack of mohawk (Atmos cameoed in Legionnaires #0, where the baggy purple suits he, Star Boy & Kid Quantum were wearing didn't show his torso clearly). The name was taken from Tom McCraw's ATOM'C screenname.
McCraw knew he wasn't going to be Atmos, but didn't know he was going to be named after him when he coloured him yellow and pink :
quote:http://www.legionwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=LSHChat:1996-05-30 According to Peyer, the similarity between Atom'x's codename and Tom McCraw's AOL screen name is not a coincidence. Peyer switched the name without McCraw's knowledge. McCraw claims that pink isn't really his color. He jokingly vowed revenge against Peyer.
http://www.legionwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=LSHChat:1996-06-04 Atom'x--who appeared in LSH #82--was intended to be a preboot character named Atmos, but a switch was made in production. The switch was made because Lee Moder drew the character incorrectly. Tom stresses that the mistake was not Lee's fault. The mistake was not caught until after the book had been inked, and it was faster to create a new character rather than redraw the book.
Tom Peyer used the Atom'x name--which is based on Tom McCraw's screen name--without McCraw's knowledge. McCraw vows revenge, and promises that the revenge character will wear pink or pastel purple. Tom did not know that the character would be named after him when he was coloring the character.
[The above should have said "the writers got Atom'X and Radion mixed up, incidentally.]
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: I didn't know that Polar Boy absorbed heat. gosh How does that work?
I always thought that he generated cold, sort of like Iceman; or channeled it, maybe. Sort of like how the girl in 'Firestarter' by king, channeled heat, only instead of from the sun, like she did, the Tharrians grab cold from outer space.
You can't "grab cold". Cold is literally the (relative) absence of heat - which, in turn, is molecular motion (which can be induced by various factors, including infra-red radiation). Either you can cancel out the motion somehow (think of stopping a non-bouncing ball by kicking it with another ball at exactly the same speed in the opposite direction) or you can absorb the heat (catch the ball, which will induce motion in you - more obviously if you think of something more like a bowling bowl than a baseball).
Real-world applications you'll meet invariably use the latter, which is why the back of fridges are hot. The former is known as adiabatic cooling, which slows the particles' momentum in ways that don't involve making other stuff hotter.
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For what it's worth, Polar Boy's powers are originally described as using "mental force to neutralize heat vibrations".
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In my head-canon, the heat that Tharrians are neutralizing goes somewhere else.
It clearly doesn't go into them (i.e. they aren't absorbing it into themselves) or they'd actually get hotter (which would be counterproductive, since they are making Tharr cooler so that they can live there, which wouldn't work if they had to raise their own temperatures to do so!).
The standard comic book explanation (the one that Marvel uses for everything) is that it goes into another dimension. With Star Boy, DC occasionally has this sort of transfer happen in-universe (Star Boy 'drawing mass from the stars to make stuff heavy'), so perhaps the Tharrans are tranferring the heat directly into their own star, or into the molten heart of Tharr.
I had a fanfic idea that the Tharrans were actually unknowingly responsible for the creation of an entire race of energy/plasma creatures in an adjacent dimension, formed spontaneously from the heat being transferred by the Tharrans from their dimension, with warring members of the energy races crossing over to assassinate specific Tharrans that they'd identified as the 'gods' that were creating their enemies, but never got around to writing it.
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