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I second him getting rid of the reboot & threeboot Legions I've never been able to warm to either version
From: Brooklyn, New York | Registered: Jul 2006
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Whoever decided that superboy did not inspire the legion and gave us the mess that is!(in comic book form only, i don't advocate violence against others...unless i'm doing it.
quote:Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: the best ever Legion period was the eighties under Levitz. For anyone who enjoyed that period, then the reboot was a creative nightmare - like cancelling Superman, writing off everything and publishing a Smallville comic instead (complete with Afro-American Pete Ross no Lois etc).
Saturn Girl married Lightning Lad... the Legion evolved... and then wham none of it ever happened. Johns recognizes what I say and is probably going to put right a terrible wrong. Sorry again. [/QB]
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the problem here is that this "evolution" left a lot of great ideas in its wake.
- Shooter created Ferro Lad to die, then we get a glimpse of an interesting, nigh-suicidal Ferro in the SW6.
- Because Condo's powers were hard to convey to the audience of the time, he languished in the background before being cast aside. Literally, the best story about him was told more than a decade after his death!
- Gates, Gear, Xs, and Kinetix, who are all great characters, don't and will not exist because their stories fit into a reboot that some others find distasteful.
- Several characters who aged horribly (Dawnstar and Tyroc spring to mind) could be reworked but won't because their stories are already set in stone.
- The classic Legion, whose origin is tied so closely to Superboy, has already been reworked, and will need to be again
Many problems could be forgiven, but if you can tell a better story, with so much more to work with, then why not?
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From: Kentucky | Registered: Oct 2005
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But keep Vi and Ayla from 5YL. Or be enslaved by SBP.
And perhaps the only reason why the best Legion era was the Eighties was that they finally had DC's center stage, with an array of miniseries and spin-offs... plus they had a solid rock by the name of Paul Levitz.
If he had the honour of calling Reboot and Threeboot temporal duplicates, it's certainly Hallelujah by in THIS place!
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From: Canadia | Registered: Jul 2008
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I don't think any of my all time favorite comic stories involve the death of a superhero...it's not something I really read comics to read about and I think a truly great writer doesn't have to kill a character to write a memorable story. I think killing characters has become a crutch for writers of limited ability or ones that don't want to put the effort in to writing memorable stories. I think killing a character can serve the character well from on rare occassions. If it's a relatively unimportant or unmemorable character, killing them can make them more important or more memorable. But still...not something I really want to see done.
And as a Legion fan I don't really want to see the Legionaires killed even from versions of the Legion I don't like...I don't want to see them erased either. I've been down that path and I wouldn't wish it on anyone...especially fellow Legion fans who tend to develop a personal attatchment to the team and characters.
That said...if I have to choose...
Sneckie, Valor/M'onel...
Or whoever Keith Giffen's favorite Legionaire is(repeatedly).
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Off with Superboy-Prime, the worst excuse of a supervillain ever! But I do agree with Superboy (ours): killing characters these days are kind of run-of-the-mill. That's how our society sees death nowadays, IMO, unfortunately. Still, there were a couple of deaths who seemed really special for me, like Superboy (PU) and Barry Allen. Because in these case, they were not simply death, but more like ultimate sacrifices. There was an upbeat side to it. And, in a certain way, Morrison's death of Martian Manhunter is EXACTLY what is wrong about villainess these days (and I have to congratulate Grant for this slap-in-the-face). It's cheap, senseless, un-heroic. And, as usual, Grant points that out as if it is en passant. Really great stuff, in my opinion. But back to the topic, I'd get rid of Karate Kid, and every Keith Giffen's hated character. And from Karate Kid's bowels, we would see Gates dead too (she was actually inhabiting KK, making him double boring all this time).
From: Brasil | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: the best ever Legion period was the eighties under Levitz. For anyone who enjoyed that period, then the reboot was a creative nightmare - like cancelling Superman, writing off everything and publishing a Smallville comic instead (complete with Afro-American Pete Ross no Lois etc).
Saturn Girl married Lightning Lad... the Legion evolved... and then wham none of it ever happened. Johns recognizes what I say and is probably going to put right a terrible wrong. Sorry again.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the problem here is that this "evolution" left a lot of great ideas in its wake.
- Shooter created Ferro Lad to die, then we get a glimpse of an interesting, nigh-suicidal Ferro in the SW6.
- Because Condo's powers were hard to convey to the audience of the time, he languished in the background before being cast aside. Literally, the best story about him was told more than a decade after his death!
- Gates, Gear, Xs, and Kinetix, who are all great characters, don't and will not exist because their stories fit into a reboot that some others find distasteful.
- Several characters who aged horribly (Dawnstar and Tyroc spring to mind) could be reworked but won't because their stories are already set in stone.
- The classic Legion, whose origin is tied so closely to Superboy, has already been reworked, and will need to be again
Many problems could be forgiven, but if you can tell a better story, with so much more to work with, then why not?[/QB]
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