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Might such a collaboration feature the return of the fearsome ruler of Taltar? If so, you cretinous males are in for a treat!
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From DC Nation Panel!! "If you heard news Paul Levitz and I were returning to the Legion, how would you respond?" Giffen asked, and the crowd was shocked into applause. "Just wondering."
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Just read it myself, I wonder if there just doing a story or a taking on a book, and I also hope Kieth is just co-writing with Paul and they get someone else do the art.
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quote:Originally posted by Ricardo: Yeah, no more Griffen, but all the power to that Giffen dude. He gave us v4, so he KNOWS a thing or two about writing the best Legion book ever.
By the way, Giffen had nothing to do with Countdown story. He was a consultant.
Shut up!
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From: Orando | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Ricardo: Yeah, no more Griffen, but all the power to that Giffen dude. He gave us v4, so he KNOWS a thing or two about writing the best Legion book ever.
By the way, Giffen had nothing to do with Countdown story. He was a consultant.
Shut up!
It seems you've been out-shuted: they do have a Legion book coming up!
And YES to Keith as artist as well. Either that or Jason Pearson.
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Keith on the art, I would rather have Joe Staton or Jimmy Janes.
Well at least with Paul on board he won't be able to go crazy and disrespect the characters again.
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From DC Nation Panel!! "If you heard news Paul Levitz and I were returning to the Legion, how would you respond?" Giffen asked, and the crowd was shocked into applause. "Just wondering."
Giffen should be a politician. Let's try a different scenario.
Giffen: "If you heard news Paul Levitz and I were returning to the Legion, how would you respond?"
Wild applause.
Giffen: "If you heard news Paul Levitz was returning to the Legion, how would you respond?"
Wild applause.
Giffen: "If you heard news that I was returning to the Legion, how would you respond?"
Chirp....chirp....
Giffen WITH Levitz the control rod would be great as long as the art was done by some other, simply because I do not think Giffen would be willing to do it straight. Originally, he called it personal experimentation but it's become lifelong obsession.
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Levitz and Giffen are two of my favorite Legion creators ever. They wrote my favorite comics mega arc.
Levitz and Giffen are two of my least favorite Legion creators ever. They wrote some of my least favorite Legion stories. Including my least favorite. And they are both pretty fond of killing characters...if there's a KK left after L3W I don't want to see him killed again. 3-4 times is enough. It is going to have zero entertainment value if they do that. If that's all Giffen is going to do, I'd rather he not return to the book.
Pros of Levitz returning:
1. Levitz always starts out his Legion runs strong. You get his best stories right off the bat, and they are usually really good, the best writing of his career.
2. He is very inventive with tweaking, twisting and and sometimes intertwining Legion continuity and loose ends.
3. Paul Levitz is the only writer in history to succeed at taking a book with 30 characters in it and giving them all something meaningful to do and something meaningful to say in 27 pages per month. Thus keeping everyong pretty satisfied that their character isn't being ingnored, something that just about every other Legion writer has has a problem with. I'm not saying it's my favorite way of writing for the Legion, but Levitz does pull it off. And no one else does...and unfortunately many try.
4. And this one is major...
No way he gets editorial or executive decisions imposed on him by DC brass or another book's editors. He is the publisher...he will win that battle. Since the Legion has frequently been the victim of just that sort of inteference and the book has suffered from it...it would be nice to have a guy with some pull on the book. And if there's one thing Levtiz has now, it's pull.
Cons of Levitz returning:
1. Levitz is not very creative. He's written more Legion stories than anyone yet he has created few chracters that are significant, memorable or meaningful considering the amount of stories he's written.
He's not nearly in the same league as Cockrum, Shooter, Siegel and Giffen when it comes to having a creative mind.
2. He will kill characters and feels it is an essential part of storytelling to give life or death situatons more suspense. He will kill characters, and the ones he replaces them with will not be as good as the ones he killed.
3. Last time I read a Levitz Legion story it was pretty clear to me that he had run out of things to write and his heart was not in it anymore. Granted, I can understand why he felt this way, as the Legion went through a lot of negative changes. But many said Shooter returning to the book would play out like Waid returning to the Flash or Claremont to the X-Men, still burnt out..and while I don't think that has happened, because Shooter really hasn't written that many Legion stories, not near enough to burn out, I think it very well might happen with Levitz.
Pros of Giffen returning:
1. Giffen still has one of the great creative minds in the industry. He will give you something you weren't expecting, and he seldom repeats himself(except when it comes to killing KK). I'd argue that he's a better writer now than he has been before.
2. Giffen still has an unmatched ability for drawing fight scenes and future world. He's still very good at Sci-fi.
3. There will be a huge interest in he and Levitz returning to the Legion at this point, as they are the last great writer artist team to work on the book.
Cons of Giffen returnng:
1. He will kill Karate Kid, if there's one alive. I like Karate Kid, he is one of my favorite characters. As a fan of that character, as a fanof that character before I ever even knew who Keith Giffen was, I feel particularl picked on by Giffen. I mean people read books because they like the characters, when you keep killing one of them, it's going to ruin some people's enjoyment of the book. And superkarate isn't a stupid power. It's not a power...it's a human being that has pushed himself to being to fight at a superhuman level.
2. Giffen has one of the great creative minds in the industry, he will give you something you haven't seen before, something you weren't expecting....that doesn't mean it's going to be good.
3. Not just KK, but Giffen has killed more than his fair share of characters in the book as well, and he didn't get to kill as many as he wanted last time.
4. Giffen's art can really be confusing on a large cast book. It is really hard to recognize the characters sometimes and it takes a lot of intense focus to do so at times, and that does reduce the enjoyment of the story for some(including me). His panels can also be hard to discern as well.
I am good at discening panels and recognizing Legionaires...and Giffen is by far the hardest to do that with.
All in all...I remain mixed. Could be really good...could definitely be a case of can't go home again, as this is the most prolific writer artist team in Legion history, and their best Legion work as a team was nearly 30 years ago.
Still...if it was a mini I'd definitely be in favor of that...as long as Giffen doesn't kill Karate Kid again. Giffen hasn't created a Legion character as memorable or as successful as Karate Kid was...and so I'd just rather him not do that since he can't come up with anything better.
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ohhhh! i kept seeing that at the top and had no idea it was legion related!! also, that is the laziest cover ever!!! it's the same cover to the infinite crisis trade, so i thought it was something to do with that!
the desc says "comic-strip" with LOSH....what does that mean? do they mean a paged story or do they mean COMIC STRIPS?
i actually kind of hope it's the latter... just because i can't even imagine his ridiculous style in comic strip form.
i don't like lee's art. at all. but if it's legion i'll pick this up.
I hope you meant that in jest. If so, a smiley face would be in order to prevent misunderstanding. E-communication loses the subtleties we might intend.
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I hope you meant that in jest. If so, a smiley face would be in order to prevent misunderstanding. E-communication loses the subtleties we might intend.
If that's the case, Kent, I took it lightly. No hard feelings. And it is actually funny to see how polarized Giffen can be seen around these parts. Not a middle-of-the-road, as usual. That's probably why I like his work: he pushes it to another level. And for those who think his art is too intricate, check the new Ambush Bug. Probably his lightest since his Magic Wars period, but still keeping his European dynamic style.
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quote:Originally posted by veryvery: ohhhh! i kept seeing that at the top and had no idea it was legion related!! also, that is the laziest cover ever!!! it's the same cover to the infinite crisis trade, so i thought it was something to do with that!
the desc says "comic-strip" with LOSH....what does that mean? do they mean a paged story or do they mean COMIC STRIPS?
i actually kind of hope it's the latter... just because i can't even imagine his ridiculous style in comic strip form.
i don't like lee's art. at all. but if it's legion i'll pick this up.
I think I saw mentioned in the solicitation that it was an 11 page story.
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I hope you meant that in jest. If so, a smiley face would be in order to prevent misunderstanding. E-communication loses the subtleties we might intend.
Actually, when I was told to shut up for expressing my feelings toward Giffen doing another Legion story, my feelings were hurt. Yes, Ricardo might like Giffen, but there was no need in telling me to shut up...smiley face or not. I just thought by telling him to shut up for no reason might make him think before he attacks someone else. A smiley face does not excuse rudeness. I apologize for "my shut" up comeback. I was quite surprised by his comment, but realize I am not a regular contributer here and it is easy to attack someone who you don't know. Sad to feel that way as I LOVE Legion World and am on here several times a day.
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