quote:Originally posted by Sean Retconnery: 24 votes plus a write- in for Lu. It would be fun to run a poll of which versions people prefer for some of the longer serving (suffering?) legionnaires who've endured multiple reboots, re-imaginings etc. For example, I think Waid's Atom Girl and butt- kicking Dream Girl were awesome; the Silver Age incarnations not so much.
I'm pretty sure Future did a poll some time ago asking us to choose between the Preboot, Postboot and Threeboot versions of some Legionnaires. i can't for the life of me find it, though. I've tried searching the terms "poll", "Legionnaire", "favorite", "multiverse" and "Boot" and it didn't turn up.
Sean, you might be interested in watching out for the Multiverse Survivor and Multiverse Idol games. Last year, Future ran Survivor and I did Idol. They both split the Legionnaires amongst versions.
The difference is that in Survivor, posters vote out the ones they dislike. In Idol, voters give points to the ones they like most.
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quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Yeah, it'd be interesting, but a nightmare trying to count versions of characters. Some of these guys change drastically from one writer to the next, while others seem to make it through complete reboots with minimal changes to the essential character.
Very true. Cosmic Boy, Colossal Boy, etc. tend to feel very similar from boot to boot, but Projectra, wow, she goes through some serious changes!
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quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: [qb]I believe Zoe is currently part of a three-way tie for twenty-third position!
That is extremely awesome, not just because Kinetix is my #1 fave. it's also because I've always known her to have a few diehard fans, but not many fans period. She always seemed such a polarizing character.
I would traditionally have thought her third most popular of the reboot characters, behind Gates and XS. I suspect the latter has suffered quite a bit due to her increasingly messy continuity over the past few years.
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Maybe third-most popular of the Reboot-originals, but if we include the Reboot Legionnaires with Preboot versions she tends to slip further down the list.
Kinetix also has a lot of people who actively dislike her, which is why she tends to perform poorly in Survivor-style games as opposed to polls or Idol-style ones.
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I wonder if there are any other readers like me out there who used to REALLY like Gates (he was probably one of my top 5 all-time favorite Legionnaires during most of the Reboot) but now don't care for him much. I actually didn't even include him in my top 25 list in this poll.
I think his personality, which used to feel so fresh and interesting in a Legionnaire, began to grate on me after awhile. I mean, there's only so long an anti-establishment/anarchic figure can be a part of the establishment before they start to seem like a hypocritical sell-out isn't there? Some writers have had a better handle on him than others but when he's written badly, he's written REALLY badly IMO.
My other two issues with him are 1) he doesn't seem right to me with the Preboot team (I would have rathered they just introduce the Preboot Gates than bring this one over); and 2) I HATE his recent ugly physical transformation in Legion Lost. I know I shouldn't really hold a crappy DCnU writer's poor decision-making against him but the look of a character is important to me, and I couldn't vote for him looking as stupid as he does now.
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Re: Kinetix - except for two things, I think she was actually one of the shining stars of the Reboot, and if those two things hadn't happened I'm sure she would have been higher on most people's lists. The 'journey' and character growth she experienced was great to watch. She was probably the most fun Legionnaire to read about and I imagine she probably would have been fun to write too. Which is why it's so unfathomable that they first made her a mute giant zombie after the Anomaly, and then when that story went nowhere, DnA did it AGAIN a few years later. They killed the character long before Geoff Johns did IMO.
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As for the other Reboot Legionnaires, I think they were all a success actually. XS and Magno I love and they were definite Top 25ers on my list and even Monstress, who I HATED throughout the PMS years , was totally redeemed and made a worthy, interesting Legionnaire under DnA.
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I voted for 24, and would also like to vote for Luornu!
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quote:Originally posted by Blacula: I think his personality, which used to feel so fresh and interesting in a Legionnaire, began to grate on me after awhile. I mean, there's only so long an anti-establishment/anarchic figure can be a part of the establishment before they start to seem like a hypocritical sell-out isn't there? Some writers have had a better handle on him than others but when he's written badly, he's written REALLY badly IMO.
Gates has a classic case of 'ex-pat syndrome,' where someone from another culture or nation spends all of their time living somewhere else, and moaning endlessly about how much better things are back in the home country, which sort of begs the question, why the hell aren't they in their oh-so-wonderful home country, instead of whining about mine?
In the reboot, with Gates having been forced to go join a 'teenaged death squad' of aliens, his personality made a bit of sense. He didn't *volunteer* to leave his communist/socialist utopia behind and live among the heirarchical humanoids.
And with the destruction of his universe, and therefore his Vyrga, it also could have made sense that he would be the first of the Reboot Legion to jump ship to another universe, in hopes of finding another Vyrga, to which he can finally return. (The question of whether the classic continuity, or the Threeboot, for that matter, *has* a Vyrga has never been answered, though, and this notion, that Gates had a reason to leave his teammates and resettle in this new universe, was never addressed.)
Ultimately, had the Reboot universe continued, I'd expect Gates to have become so 'different' to his peers on Vyrga, due to his experiences as a Legionnaire and away from his people and their society, that he'd be an unwelcome stranger on Vyrga, and unable to ever truly re-assimilate, giving him a valid story reason to continue waxing philosophical about the glory days and his people and their ways, and yet be unable to ever really return, and be 'stuck' part of the Legion. (Sort of like Threeboot Luornu, seen as 'too changed' to ever truly be welcome back on her homeworld.)
But, really, we haven't see that, and if it was ever in the cards, the destruction of the Reboot universe pretty much threw that plan out the window...
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Voted! And glad to see one other big Pete Ross fan gave him a vote too!
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quote:Originally posted by Blacula: I think his personality, which used to feel so fresh and interesting in a Legionnaire, began to grate on me after awhile. I mean, there's only so long an anti-establishment/anarchic figure can be a part of the establishment before they start to seem like a hypocritical sell-out isn't there?
Gates has a classic case of 'ex-pat syndrome,' where someone from another culture or nation spends all of their time living somewhere else, and moaning endlessly about how much better things are back in the home country, which sort of begs the question, why the hell aren't they in their oh-so-wonderful home country, instead of whining about mine?
Re the discussion on Gates, by the DNA era he seemed to really have considered the Legion his home. Before that, even - his friendship with Brainiac 5 started after the Anomaly.
I was really hoping Gates' development would take him further than that, and he'd come to change his strategy to working within the system, using its own resources, to do some good. Like with what I wrote here, with him starting a series of medical missions across the UP!
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Incidentally, was Gates's homeworld a socialist utopia? The way I remembered it, he seemed as much an outcast there as in the Legion. I don't remember much about the issue where the Legion actually visits the planet to fight Mantis Morlo, though.
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