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I did the same thing to mine when I was a kid I wore that issue out I even lost the cover,But I did get a fresh copy off of ebay if I can remember where I put it I'll try to get you a scan,and come to think of it all the scans I've seen online are in color.
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All those characters look great and interesting. I wish DC or another publisher would revive them somehow.
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quote:Originally posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire: I did the same thing to mine when I was a kid I wore that issue out I even lost the cover,But I did get a fresh copy off of ebay if I can remember where I put it I'll try to get you a scan,and come to think of it all the scans I've seen online are in color.
I'd appreciate that Lone Wolf.
Loved that issue of Amazing World. I remember receiving it around my birthday (in January) when I was under the weather -- and it was better than medicine.
I missed Superboy 200 when it came out -- so this was my first look at that gorgeous 2-page spread. And that unpublished Legion cover of Dave's was also a thing of beauty.
Lots of good reading too. The character profiles are a great resource.
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quote:Originally posted by kcekada: Does anyone out there have or no a place where I can find Dave's uncolored two-page spread of the Bouncing Boy/Duo Damsel wedding ceremony?
I guess someone didn't buy the Legion Companion, then.
Seriously, folks, it's almost sold out, so if anyone still wants it, it won't be available much longer.
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There are some really.... interesting comments on this thread about Dave's unpublished properties. For the record, Marvel and DC only own what they bought. If it didn't appear in a comic book, they didn't buy it. It doesn't make a difference where it was intended to go, they only bought what they published.
Dave Cockrum was a freelancer, not an employee of any company, therefore his work product was his own, not the company's by default. In fact, comic book fans tend to have a skewed view of publishing altogether due to "work of hire" contracts. By default, in publishing, a creator owns his own work, period. A publisher must make special arrangements for the transfer of copyright, otherwise the copyright stays with the creator. In comics, that's the "work for hire" contract. Again, by default, the publisher does not automatically own everything. The publisher must make special arrangements to purchase the copyright of a property, and if it does not make that purchase, it does not own that property.
All of Dave Cockrum's unpublished creations are now the property of his estate, which is essentially Paty Cockrum. Again, comic book creators are not employees. They are independent contractors who enter into a business relationship with a publisher on a case-by-case basis. Neither side is "weaker" in such a relationship. If you've got something that someone else wants, then you're both standing on the same ground.
As for DC buying the characters, why on God's green earth would Paty do that? Why would she be so dumb as to give away the farm for a single cheque? To make some comic book fans happy? Remember the X-Men? Remember how Dave always regretted not owning a piece of that action? Why, given everything that the Cockrum family went through over decades, would Paty Cockrum be so dumb as to repeat that mistake? You only give up ownership if there's a damn good reason for doing so, and losing characters in perpetuity just so they could appear once in a comic book story isn't even a decent reason. It's just silly.
In life, you have to look out for your own interests, mainly because the other side is looking out for theirs. DC has done crossovers in the past; they don't need to purchase the rights from anyone to tell a story using those characters. Instead, they could just work out a deal where both parties benefited and retained their own copyrights. It happened with Batman/Spawn, it happened with JLA/Avengers, and it could happen, in theory, with the Cockrum estate. Realistically, it's not going to happen because there isn't a market for it (internet inflation, i.e., a few people talking about it, notwithstanding), but in theory, it could. There's no need for Paty Cockrum to be a schumck and lose all rights forever to a potentially valuable property in the bargain. How dumb would the Cockrum family be to do that a second time?
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I'm not familiar with copyright law in the USA. I thought the right to use a character owned by someone else was some sort of "copyright", even though it's obvious that buying a character is different from using a character. Thank you for a very imformative comment on the matter.
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Yeah I started this post I guess I was being a little selfish wanting to see Dave's characters in the Legion once again and to strengthen his Legion legacy that often is overshadowed by his X-Men legacy and for his characters to be seen by a whole new generation,the most important thing of course would be for Paty Cockrum to be fairly compensated but like someone else said I dont think DC would be willing to do this,That being said to me Dave Cockrum will always be my generation's Jack Kirby. In a perfect world everyone would benefit the Cockrum family and Dave's Fans.
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quote:Originally posted by kcekada: Does anyone out there have or no a place where I can find Dave's uncolored two-page spread of the Bouncing Boy/Duo Damsel wedding ceremony?
I guess someone didn't buy the Legion Companion, then.
Seriously, folks, it's almost sold out, so if anyone still wants it, it won't be available much longer.
Umm, I do have that. Unless my edition is missing two pages, that spread is not part of the Companion.
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One of the things I noticed while setting up the image was that Dave's costume re-designs blended well with the original costumes he left in place.
Dave was wise enough to see that while some of the costumes had room fro improvement, not all of them needed to be redone (for the sake of redoing). I wish modern artists showed that level of respect and design sense.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]I guess someone didn't buy the Legion Companion, then.
[/QUOTE]Umm, I do have that. Unless my edition is missing two pages, that spread is not part of the Companion. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yes I forgot it was in there to, but it is on page 74 of the companion.
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Indeed it is, but much smaller than the Amazing World version.
Still think someone needs to put together the Ultimate Cockrum collection with colored glossy pages where appropriate.
It would include designs of all the characters he created (that were used) and some of the better ones he didn't.
Plus, more uncolored work from Legion and X-Men. He did some great covers doing Byrne's run. I think had a much better sense of drama and layout than Byrne did.
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All of Dave Cockrum's unpublished creations are now the property of his estate, which is essentially Paty Cockrum...
As for DC buying the characters, why on God's green earth would Paty do that? Why would she be so dumb as to give away the farm for a single cheque?... There's no need for Paty Cockrum to be a schumck and lose all rights forever to a potentially valuable property in the bargain. How dumb would the Cockrum family be to do that a second time?
Here are my thoughts on the situation.
Cockrum-owned characters are going to languish forever unless one of the following happens:
1) Paty licenses the characters to another publisher. Honesty, I doubt there is much demand for these characters, and it would probably take a Cockrum fan like Jim Lee or maybe one of Dave's contempories like George Perez to get a publisher interested.
2) Paty self-publishes or finds an Independent label that would let her maintain ownership (seems likely). If she could get someone to revive the Futurians, the Outsiders and other such characters could be used in that series.
3) DC and or Marvel buy the characters for either the Legion or X-Men properties because they were created by Dave. Someone could write a backstory for these characters -- that they actually existed in the era in which Dave worked on the books. I don't think this is a likely scenario.
I think a revival of the Futurians is the best bet, but it's going to take some unique creators to do it.
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