quote:Originally posted by razsolo: Harmonia as a Legionnaire is still weird. ... I think I *could* quite like her as a Legionnaire were it not for the fact that she changed from powerless support cast to powered active member of the team overnight and without explanation.
Last but not least...I don't really know what Sun Boy actually did? Or what the saboteurs did? This seems to be a continuing pattern in Levitz's stuff since the start of the last series, where characters do....something....which saves the day or is obviously intended to have dramatic effect, but it's not ever really made obvious what they did? Or am I just being dumb in this case?
Agreed. And what about Dragonwing suddenly being all Legion-loyal and able to kick multiple villain butts all by herself. Where did that come from?
And what did the big bad guy do that was so powerful it knocked Cham out of commission?
Levitz is writing in outline form. It happens too often that we don't see things develop, we don't see the aftermath of actions.
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The "lesson" of the story would have been more effective too, if we'd seen Cham being cocky/careless. I just assumed he got taken out because his opponent was vastly more powerful - certainly not Cham's fault!
I wonder if Paul will include an Indian Legionnaire later on?
That would be nice. We've had four Khundian Legionnaires, but no one from India? Bad marketing move. Indians are much more likely to buy comic books that Khundians are.
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: The "lesson" of the story would have been more effective too, if we'd seen Cham being cocky/careless. I just assumed he got taken out because his opponent was vastly more powerful - certainly not Cham's fault!
Yeah, I really thought Cham was being too hard on himself there (which is understandable given the Legion's track record lately) and that Dragonwing was just showing her unfamiliarity with the team by being shocked he could be taken out so easily. That Phoenix guy was obviously pretty powerful, so I just assumed he had been physically stronger than Cham....and while Cham can make himself LOOK very physically imposing, I don't think he can ACTUALLY make himself that much stronger...
re: Dragonwing's pro-Legion attitude...I actually liked that and found it endearing. It strikes me that she plays the hardened cynic with the Legion because that's been her defence mechanism generally in life, but she must actually believe in their ideals...otherwise why would she have wanted to join them in the first place, and why would they have wanted her? It's nice to see that when the chips are down she isn't just in it for the power, and to me it's a good step in validating her membership.
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I wonder if Paul will include an Indian Legionnaire later on?
That would be nice. We've had four Khundian Legionnaires, but no one from India? Bad marketing move. Indians are much more likely to buy comic books that Khundians are.
Second most populous nation after China too!
PS, I'm also pleased we have two Chinese Legionnaires plus possible Asian descent from Chemical Kid. I'm of Chinese descent myself
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re: Dragonwing's pro-Legion attitude...I actually liked that and found it endearing. It strikes me that she plays the hardened cynic with the Legion because that's been her defence mechanism generally in life, but she must actually believe in their ideals...otherwise why would she have wanted to join them in the first place, and why would they have wanted her? It's nice to see that when the chips are down she isn't just in it for the power, and to me it's a good step in validating her membership.[/QB]
Good point! I didn't find it particularly jarring either. Then again, I think most people just commented on that because the solits kept screaming, "Can Dragonwing learn about teamwork blah blah". Seemed like they were trying hard to portray her as a lone wolf type, but I never saw her as a person who shunned her teammates (hellOOOO, she kept partying with Chem Kid and CQ in the Academy). Maybe a bit private, but not someone who really needed to learn about teamwork.
quote:Originally posted by razsolo: re: Dragonwing's pro-Legion attitude...I actually liked that and found it endearing. It strikes me that she plays the hardened cynic with the Legion because that's been her defence mechanism generally in life, but she must actually believe in their ideals...otherwise why would she have wanted to join them in the first place, and why would they have wanted her? It's nice to see that when the chips are down she isn't just in it for the power, and to me it's a good step in validating her membership.[/QB]
I believe that's what Levitz was trying to portray, but for me it seemed to come out of nowhere and lacked the setup it needed to have an emotional punch.
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Dragonwing's antisocial attitude is another reason it seems implausible to me that she was accepted as a Legionnaire in favor of some of her fellow academy alum predecessors who strived for years to become members. Now Levitz is trying to do a flip flop on her over night. And how does Harmonia deserve membership over all those others either for that matter? At the very least, doesn't she violate the age limit?
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quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: At the very least, doesn't she violate the age limit?
Probably not much more than Mon-El, I suppose.
Of the list of reasons she doesn't work for me, her age is near the bottom.
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I'm not even sure that the age limit exists in this current version of the Legion. Heck, I can't even figure out how old most of the members are supposed to be.
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I can't believe how much I continue to be this unenthused by a Legion title. I'm tiring of this 'oh wow look what real legionnaires can do' attitude by the recruits... they seem like they should still be in the Academy. Would have preferred that they were still students and occasionally used on missions as a 'work placement' kind of schooling and slowly earning their place in the Legion full-time.
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Just a general comment about the Legion standards - I was disappointed when the code against killing was sort of shelved when Invisible Kid 'accidentally' killed a Khund with his uncontrolled powers. More recently, Earth Man is an outright killer and gets membership with little fuss. Harmonia Li is indirectly responsible for the destruction of Titan and its millions of citizens, yet self-appoints herself as a Legionnaire. Also, what happened to any age requirements? Isn't H-Li a thousand years old? Tried and true and respectable Legionnaires such as Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl and Colossal Boy and now maybe Chameleon Boy are being shown the door and are being replaced by punks and others of dubious background.
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From: Frederick, MD | Registered: Aug 2003
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I actually enjoyed this issue quite a lot, although this is possibly because I had very low expectations going into it. I thought Comet Queen and Harmonia were very impressive -- although I agree that Paul really needs to explain who Harmonia is.
quote:Originally posted by razsolo: Last but not least...I don't really know what Sun Boy actually did? Or what the saboteurs did? This seems to be a continuing pattern in Levitz's stuff since the start of the last series, where characters do....something....which saves the day or is obviously intended to have dramatic effect, but it's not ever really made obvious what they did? Or am I just being dumb in this case?
Paul has had this problem for quite a long time. I still don't quite understand the plot of his Legion of Super-Villains story from v3.
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