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There was a mysterious girl who looked exactly like Kole floating around in the background of the 'Team Titans' series for a short while before it was cancelled.
She was actually revealed to be a construct/pawn of Monarch (of Armageddon 2001) in the final issue but some fans cling to the hope that she may have been the real deal and may even still be out there. Their hopes were further spurred by a recent Titans Secret Files issue which listed Kole's status as Unknown instead of Deceased.
Personally, I really liked Kole, but her death was soooooo long ago and quite well done in a tragic sort of way that I kinda think they should let her stay dead. But I'd be a hypocrite to push that opinon anywhere after all my clamouring for the returns of Gim Allon in the reboot and Lilith here in the Titans.
Its amazing how many dead Titans have returned to life recently though - Lilith, Troia, Jericho, Golden Eagle, Dove II (ally), Jason Todd... I hope they're not just doing it to create more canon fodder in Infinite Crisis!
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Now that you have my attention, Blacula, could you fill me in on what happened to Lilith, Troia, Golden Eagle, Gnarrk, and Jericho?
I remember there being a disturbing story of how Jericho had been possessed by an evil entity which gave him his voice back, but am a little vague as to how Arella and that freckle-faced kid with the glasses (Danny Chase?) were involved.
Thanks in advance, mate,
Brian
Were these two characters the focus from which Phantasm was created
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Lilith - adopted the new name Omen (and became half the character she used to be - basically a poor imitation of Raven instead of the happy hippy chick she once was) in Jurgens' 'Teen Titans' series. Left the team but then for no reason came back during Degradation Day to hang around in the background of panels and not say anything until suddenly getting her neck snapped by a Superman robot. Her body is probably still lying there for all the attention any of the characters paid to this.
Troia - was also killed by a Superman robot in Degradation Day but in the final pages it was revealed that she had somehow been transported to another planet where a battle was raging. It turns out that it all has something to do with her Titans of Myth origin and is currently being played out in 'The Return of Donna Troy' series.
Golden Eagle - was strangled to death by a Wildebeest in the 'Titans Hunt' storyline of the mid-90s. Has recently popped up again in the pages of Hawkman claiming that he didn't die after all but I don't think much more than that has been revealed. The next issue spotlights him though so some answers should be given there. Personally, I smell a rat but we'll see.
Gnarrk - was never a member post-Crisis but did appear in a one-shot story that featured Titans East and West trying to save him from some evil government types. Lilith and he formed some type of immediate close bond but he was hospitalised during the adventure and later died of his wounds.
Jericho - was infected and slowly corrupted by the souls of Azareth and took over the Wildebeest Society in order to capture all the metahuman Titans and allies. He was finally killed by his Dad, Deathstroke, and thought to be gone. In the early issues of the current Titans series however it transpired that he had in fact possessed his Dad at the point of his death and had been lying dormant in him all this time. He then took control of him for a while and used him to kill Wintergreen and attack the Titans. The Titans were somehow able to free Deathstroke though and trap Jericho on a computer disk (don't ask) where he remains to this day.
Phantasm - was originally a creation of Danny Chase's who was using this new disguise to hide the fact that the Wildebeest's had failed in their mission to kill him earlier. Danny, along with Arella, were later both killed however during the final fight with the evil souls of Azareth. Now things get confusing - I think Danny and Arella's souls then merged to create a new Phantasm and then were later joined by some other souls of Azareth but my memory is very hazy of this period. Phantasm hasn't been seen in years though so who knows what his status is.
Hope that helps. There's a great site called titanstower.com that has all the Titans information you could ever want.
[ July 17, 2005, 07:06 AM: Message edited by: Blacula ]
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Then you dont mind me asking whether Raven still exists in the current DC universe. I vaguely recall her being purged of Trigon's influence to the extent that she wore an angelic white version of her costume and that she was more "emotionally" stable from that point on.
After that point, i havent a clue as to whether she was involved with the corrupt souls of Azarath during the "Titans Hunt" storyline, as well as Jericho.
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You have been out of the Titans loop for a while legionadventureman!
Raven was cleansed of Trigon's evil for a time (hence the white costume) but during the Titans Hunt storyline she was re-infected, turning her into 'Evil Lesbian Raven'. She then took to wearing big boots with little black leather straps around her breasts and crotch and little else and made-out with Starfire on her wedding day (this was an extremely painful period to be a Titans fan but looking back now it does have great comedy value!). After an endless storyline her body was finally destroyed releasing her good soul which floated around as a golden spirit for a while. In the early issues of the current series though she was reborn with a new, slightly younger body and now has the ability to fly. I haven't been very happy with Johns' portrayal of Raven here actually but she hasn't done much either so the next issue (which spotlights her and Superboy) should be interesting.
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Something tells me i should take a couple of headache tablets and go lie down somewhere...*groan*
Thanks, Blacula...but i hope you were making up that "lesbian dominatrix" hooey - coz i dont see Starfire ever being intimate with anyone but Nightwing - even Changeling couldn't turn her head...
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Sadly I wasn't. But in Starfire's defense she didn't have much choice in the make-out session.
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...featuring a spotlight on Superboy in which Raven helps him 'find his soul'. Ma and Pa Kent appear for a couple of panels, and Krypto gets a lick in, as well (a nice moment, actually).
For me, there were two highlights. For all Raven's empathic 'magic' (for want of a better word), I found the most effective panels were those of a simple conversation between one character who recognized her own pain in the experiences of another, evoking the considerable history of one and moving the story forward for the other.
AND then there's Omen-- even though this seems a pretty prickly fate, I'm glad there's at least the potential for her to be around once she's shed her 'offspring'.
Considering the returns of Hermes, Donna Troy, Golden Eagle, Lilith (sort of), Jason Todd (though I don't read BATMAN, so I'm not clear on the details), and a couple of villains here and there, I'm wondering if INFINITE CRISIS has to do with a disintegration of the line between life and death... maybe there'll be a team of the 'formerly dead'.
If Hippolyta and Maxima waltz into an issue of JLA, I'm sure of it.
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Actually, there *was* a good reason Lilith was in GRADUATION DAY... she had rejoined the TITANS during the last year or so of their last series; the final Jay Faerber issues with Barry Kitson art. Barry drew her as the hep-dressed chick she is, with no sign of the OMEN costume (he pleased many TT fans on he old DC board at a time when there was very little that was pleasing TT fans).
So while Lilith being in GD fit, I didn't understand why she was in her OMEN outfit.
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: Personally, I really liked Kole, but her death was soooooo long ago and quite well done in a tragic sort of way that I kinda think they should let her stay dead. But I'd be a hypocrite to push that opinon anywhere after all my clamouring for the returns of Gim Allon in the reboot and Lilith here in the Titans.
Wasn't Kole originally tied to Lilith's first origin (where she was the daughter of Thia of the Titans of Myth)? I can't remember the details but I seem to remember thinking that her origin no longer made sense when Lilith's origin was wiped out.
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