Got a question on LMB lore? Obscure, almost unanswerable?
Bah! I can answer it in seconds flat! I know the whole damn thing by heart now, after relenteless pursuit of creating the grand written history, which will be coming soon to a thread near you!
But in the meantime, anytime someone needs a quick question answered, I'm here!
For instance, H.G. Wells will one day be killed by Lucifer Lass (Ongoing tag thread) but only after a career as a time-travelling hero. But in his youth, he was known as: Time Boy!
Posted by Abin Quank on :
Cobie, In which Scottish Town did Harbie and Sonnie open the "Lizzard Gizzard Haggis Shop"?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I should have known Abin would try to stump me!
Well, if I'm thinking of the same part you are, it'd be Aberdeen, unless I'm off. IIRC, this would be from the earliest part of Numf and Harbi's adventures, before Harbi decided to stay and hang out with Darkseid for awhile
This just reminded me of Numf's idea of a 'not-so Disney film', "Harbi goes bananas"...
To be honest, some Scottish centric stuff in Numf's material went over my head, such as locations, but I actually don't think I'm far off on this one Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
To clarify: this is to *help* people, not stump me Posted by Abin Quank on :
Admit it Cobie, you had to look it up! (Either that or you were re reading Ongoing for the sheer pleasure of it.)
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Answer Man... er, Cobalt Kid! I'm confused about the character called "Nobody"! I thought this gay, miniature version of Eryk Davis Ester was absorbed into EDE-Prime along with his other alternate versions during "The Super-Jailhouse of Space!" saga. Now, I know that in an untold story EDE-Prime was revealed not to be be the real EDE at all, but how exactly is it that Nobody came to be the companion of Everyday Girl?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: Admit it Cobie, you had to look it up! (Either that or you were re reading Ongoing for the sheer pleasure of it.)
Well, I *kinda* cheated in that I just reread Numf's sections about two months ago, and guessed it would be Aberdeen without really knowing
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Answer Man... er, Cobalt Kid! I'm confused about the character called "Nobody"! I thought this gay, miniature version of Eryk Davis Ester was absorbed into EDE-Prime along with his other alternate versions during "The Super-Jailhouse of Space!" saga. Now, I know that in an untold story EDE-Prime was revealed not to be be the real EDE at all, but how exactly is it that Nobody came to be the companion of Everyday Girl?
Ah, a bonafide problematic bit of continuity! Allow me to give some background:
- The first Nobody appeared in "Doom of the Super-Heroes", as a member of the Light Brigade. As EDE states, he was a gay, miniature version of Eryk Davis Ester. In "The Super-Jailhouse of Space", Nobody (along with all other clones/alternate selves of EDE) was absorbed into EDE and never seen again.
Later, we learned that Eryk-Prime was actually Pornis using EDE's genetics as a way to channel his power (since Pornis is EDE's Dad), and the specifics of the EDE/LardLad/Lucifer Lass connection (and thus, all their clones) have yet to be fully revealed.
- In "The Ongoing Tag Team Thread", Everyday Girl was introduced to the LMB. We learned that she was haunted by two ghosts, named Nobody and No-One. The rest of the LMB thought these were figments of her imagination, although in fact, they were actually real! At first, it appeared there was no connection to the previous Nobody.
After a long stint as an honorary member, Everyday Girl has recently joined the LMB on Legion World and become a full-time LMBer. We have further learned that Nobody and No-One appear to look exactly like mini-versions of Cobalt Kid and Eyrk Davis Ester!
Thus, could this mini-version of Eryk Davis Ester, aka Nobody, be related to the old miniature (and gay) version of EDE?
Well, in the current "Horror! Shock! Suspense! Halloween Ongoing thread", we've been introduced to the Cackles, a race of miniature beings from another dimension. This races males all apparently look exactly like mini Cobalts and mini-EDE's and the females look like mini-Thriftshop Debutantes and mini-Space Tarts! It is in the mystery of the Cackles, that I believe we will find the answer to the mystery of Nobody and No-One, and if this current Nobody is connected in anyway to the first deceased Nobody of Light Brigade fame.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Just for the hell of it, I'm going to tell you where these characters originated from!
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: K'Batu, the Space Gorilla suddenly appears, to see that other sentients are appearing all around him! In fact, they're all actually semi-forgotten supporting characters of LMB lore!
New character! However, the Gorilla tribe of Legion World was established in "The Good, the Dark and the Dead", and live inside the old statue of Large Handsome, Middlefinger II, which the LMB kept as a tribute, but ended up in the jungles on the outskirts of Legion World when the LMB moved here.. Cobalt Kid is an honorary member of this tribe.
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Something Amazing!
Originally seen in the Ongoing LMB Tag Thread. A alternate version of Something Amazing exists on Earth-4, as revealed in "Crisis on Earth-4!".
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II!
First appeared in "Doom of the Super-Heroes", and has appeared occassionally since. Her brother, Kid Gender Reversal Stereotype I was killed in the line of duty in the early years of the LMB.
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Dollyputo!
First scene in "The Return of Dev-Em", Dollyputo is the computer essence of Dolly Parton, Lucien Lad and Lash Lad! She also played a fairly prominent role in "The Day Legion World Stood Still".
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Turns You Into A Country Fred!
First seen in "Hot Summer Nights", Turns You Into a Country Fred is actually Turns You Into a Country Kid possessed by the spirit of Clothes Fall Off Fred. A sometimes LMB antagonist and sometimes LMB ally, TYIC Fred looks just like Freddy Prinze Jr. He has appeared numerous times since, notably in "Doom of the Super-Heroes", "The Jailhouse of Space", "The Return of Dev-EM" and "The Ongoing LMB Tag Thread".
KGSR II and TYIC Fred, along with Lardy, Space Tart and Omega Man, were also a part of the Scooby-verse LMB in "Doom of the Super-Heroes".
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Young H.G. Wells: Time-Boy!
As stated in my first post: H.G. Wells will one day be killed by Lucifer Lass (Ongoing tag thread) but only after a career as a time-travelling hero. But in his youth, he was known as: Time Boy!
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Uncle Space!
Character created by Lash Lad (and Eryk Davis Ester, with influence from others), yet to be used in LMB lore. However, he most likely has had adventures with the LMB that have not been chronicled.
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Blok the Pet Rock!
Blok the Pet Rock is the oldest character on this list, going back to the earliest weeks of the LMB, in their year one. A charter member of the Legion of Message Board Super-Pets, Blok had many adventures with the LMB before the LMB ordered them to disband. He would appear occasionally over the next four years to help them on many missions.
In their Year Four, he played a pivotal role in beating the One Called the One in the missing 5 page gap of "Hot Summer Nights", which led to his death.
However, in "the Super Jailhouse of Space", a character named Lisp Lass resurfaced, which did not make sense, since Lisp Lass was revealed to be The One Called the One in "Doom of the Super-Heroes". This second Lisp Lass was none other than Blok the Rock, whose mind was warped by his 'sacrifice'. With the help of the LMB, he was able to recover and rejoin his friends.
Following Piddlin' Pup's turn as an enemy of the LMB, the LMB reinstated the old rule of disbandign the Legion of Message Board Super-Pets, and Blok and Piddlin' Pup have tried to help each other get over such tragic events in the later years of their lives.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
Speaking of Piddlin' Pup going evil (or possibly an alternative Earth evil Piddlin' Pup, i don't think we ever established which) how many LMBPers have gone evil over the course of it's history? And have any of them actually stayed evil and not rejoined the LMBP?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Does Space Tart still have that stuff-from-asses-pulling power?
Posted by Greybird on :
Yeah, where'd the Pup go? He nearly messed up my boots in that first group portrait we had "taken." I wanted to kick him into Low Earth Orbit, but I held back ...
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Does Space Tart still have that stuff-from-asses-pulling power?
She certainly does! Those of you unaware of this, Space Tart developed a power in "Doom of the Super-Heroes" that allows her to pull out key items to help in missions. The twist, of course, is that she does it by pulling these items out of people's asses!
A side effect is when these objects are larger than the person's ass can handle, it instantly kills the person in a gruesome way.
It's been established that this power is a left over effect of Space Tart gaining a bond with the Emerald Ass of Ekron during the LMB's Year Four (in the tag thread "The Emerald Ass of Ekron"). The Emerald Ass has since been destroyed in "Crisis on Earth-4!" in the LMB's year five.
Of course, LMB authors know that this power has some editorial history to it: this power was first given to Leap Year Lass (aka Teeds), who definately did not want it. It was then passed to Princess Crujectra, who also explained that it was not a power she decided, before it was finally given to Space Tart, who was retconned in to take their place in "Hot Summer Nights" and "Doom of the Super-Heroes".
Since then, Spacey has married Cobalt, died, brought back to life by Cobalt, rejoined the LMB on Legion World, had her marriage with Cobalt annulled, etc. But she still has the power!
Posted by KidChaos on :
Whatever happened to the Giant Robotic Lesbian?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso: Speaking of Piddlin' Pup going evil (or possibly an alternative Earth evil Piddlin' Pup, i don't think we ever established which) how many LMBPers have gone evil over the course of it's history? And have any of them actually stayed evil and not rejoined the LMBP?
LMBers who have betrayed the LMB:
Lucien Lad – his greatest betrayal has not taken place yet, and will in the “5 Years Later” story, but he’s betrayed the LMB and gone evil a few times in between, most notably in “The Return of Dev-Em”. Crusader has speculated that this stems from his powers, and the strain of so much fabulosity bestowed on one person. Other LMBers secretly fear a connection between Lucien Lad and the Time Mouse Trapper. The Earth-4 Lucien Lad, Glamour Puss aka Gay-lipso, has always been evil.
Lard Lad – LardLad has struggled with his dark side since early in the LMB’s first year (see his current Onevision, “Turning Point”). All other alternate versions of Lardy have been shown to be evil, and he has killed in the past, most notably Psychotic Beaver. In the “Five Years Later” future history, he will be revealed to be the most dangerous threat to the universe of them all.
Shark Lad – During the LMB’s second year, Shark Lad went evil for a period that brought incredible turmoil to the LMB. This is a famous time period known as “The Day Shark Lad went Evil”. The guilt of becoming so enthralled with evil drove Shark Lad away from the LMB for nearly three years.
Space Tart – During this same period, Space Tart was possessed by the Emerald Ass of Ekron and joined Shark Lad.
Eryk Davis Ester – It was once believed that Eryk Davis Ester went evil for a period too, as the powerful Eryk Prime, but it has since been revealed that this was not really Eryk at all, but the work of Pornis, Eryk’s father, controlling him. However, much of this mystery remains precisely that: a mystery. The true connection of Pornis, The One Called the One, LardLad, Eryk Davis Ester and Lucifer Lass may still be revealed.
Blok the Rock Not an actual LMBer, Blok was a founding member of the LMB Super-Pets in the LMB’s Year One. After seemingly sacrificing his life in the missing five page gap of “Hot Summer Nights” against the One Called the One, Blok resurfaced when he was revealed to be the second Lisp Lass in “Super Jailhouse of Space”, whose mind had been shattered by his sacrifice.
Piddlin’ Pup Not an actual LMBer, but a founding member of the “LMB Super-Pets” in the LMB’s year one, Piddlin’ Pup was revealed to be the mysterious evil mastermind in “The Return of Dev-Em”, after seemingly uniting LardLad, Lucien Lad, Shark Lad, Eryk Davis Ester and Space Tart together as the six evil traitor LMBers (Spacey and Eryk were revealed to not be what they seemed). Piddlin’ Pup has spent the months since with Blok the Rock, as the two cope with the strain of their recent years.
Other evil LMBers: Lash Lad (during “The Day Shark Lad went Evil”), Fat Cramer – Blockade Boy – Icefyre – Super Lad Kid (who joined Tarik the Mute’s Academy for a time). These LMBers were only evil for a brief period of time and quickly became good again.
Not evil, but antagonistic Tamper Lad (always), Space Ranger (“The Alt ID Rebellion”)
Began evil, but went good and joined the LMB Yellow Kid, Emerald Empress
Dark Stu – During the infamous “Dark Stu Saga”, Stu became the most potent source of evil and betrayal in the history of the LMB, as it appeared he was a maniacal tyrant that would destroy him. In a twist, it was revealed that Stu was never evil or a traitor at all, and that a mass illusion had been used on the LMB by their enemy Phineas B. Fuddle.
Dark Priestess Viviane – During “The Good, The Dark and the Dead” Saga, the Avalonians, led by LMBer High Priestess Viviane went to war with the LMB and Legion World. However, it was revealed that this was the work of the Sorceress Morgause, a kinsman of Viviane.
The Red Bee The only real traitor of the LMB who went evil and stayed evil. He infiltrated the LMB for ten months and worked against them in a variety of ways, before finally going evil in “The Good, the Dark and the Dead”. He is also responsible for the death of Space Ranger, and is widely considered to be the worst traitor of the LMB.
I can of course go much more in depth on all of these .
Only LMBer to go evil and stay evil: Red Bee Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by KidChaos: Whatever happened to the Giant Robotic Lesbian?
She hasn't posted in a long-time, but she can often be seen at SHAKES sitting by the pool and watching the woman's synchro-swimming team.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Greybird: Yeah, where'd the Pup go? He nearly messed up my boots in that first group portrait we had "taken." I wanted to kick him into Low Earth Orbit, but I held back ...
Following "The Return of Dev-Em", both Piddlin' Pup and Blok the Rock spent time together coming to terms with their attempts at evil and the strain of their recent years. Blok has recently resurfaced in the Halloween thread, but apparently Piddlin' Pup is still recuperating.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
What ever happened to the Emerald Dildo Fairy? I have a vague feeling she died or was transformed or something but I don't recall how exactly.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
Oooh, and here's a challenege (largely because we haven't ever had a definative answer); who, or what, is the Time Mouse Trapper?
Posted by Spellbinder on :
Since the Time Trapper turned out to be Cosmic Boy just before Zero Hour, my vote is that the Time Mouse Trapper is the love child of Cobalt Kid and Minnie Mouse
Hey! It could happen! Given enough liquor, Minnie would do it with Cobie Posted by Reboot on :
If a can-can can but a pole poll can't, at what speed do Spirit and Blizzard collide? Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso: What ever happened to the Emerald Dildo Fairy? I have a vague feeling she died or was transformed or something but I don't recall how exactly.
The Emerald Dildo Fairy first appeared in “Super Jailhouse of Space”, as a magically fairy that inhabited, well, the Emerald Dildo of Ekron. By this point in LMB history, a few Emerald ‘somethings’ of Ekron had already appeared most notably the Emerald Ass in Year Two.
During the course of that story, many were led to believe that Kid Prime and the Emerald Dildo Fairy were brother and sister from the future, and were actually the children of Lucien Lad (a gay man) and Hummer Lass (a vaginal sex virgin). By the end of the story though, this was largely disproved and the origin of the Emerald Dildo Fairy was never revealed.
Sometime later, in “The Assault on Thora”, the LMBers invading Taltar (a different story entirely) the LMB learned that one of the many weapons used on Taltar was a device called the Golden Dildo of Taltar. This was used on Space Ranger infamously during this story, mind-controlling him, until Semi-Transparent Fellow and Varalent freed him.
This is relevant, because later in “the Ongoing Tag Thread”, two LMBers on a mission, Dev-Em and Kara, found themselves attempting to destroy the Golden Dildo of Taltar, when they were ambushed by Vaginimus. During this battle, the Emerald Dildo of Ekron was drawn to the battle, to help her friends, the LMB. The combination of energies and sexual magic triggered an explosion, and created a unique moment: the Emerald Dildo of Ekron and the Golden Dildo of Taltar combined into one large explosion that was controlled by the Emerald Dildo Fairy. The Emerald Dildo Fairy and these energies combined into one large, beautiful majesty of energy, and created the much beloved Star 69.
*This is actually the famous post by Vee that I love so much and always talk to him about.*
At that exact moment, sentients everywhere achieved orgasm unlike anything they ever experienced, and were so enthralled that they decided they could never reach that state again. Thus, the ‘Church of the Great Orgasm” formed, and have battled the LMB since (“Ongoing Tag Thread”).
Vaginimus has not been seen since, and many believe the experience of being at the epicenter of Star 69’s explosion calmed the once raging enemy of the LMB.
Star 69 itself has recently appeared, in LMB Infinite Crisis, and was near the Monitor’s Ship, and the destination of the Emerald Empress before she passed on.
Thus, the Emerald Dildo Fairy is no more.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Spellbinder: Since the Time Trapper turned out to be Cosmic Boy just before Zero Hour, my vote is that the Time Mouse Trapper is the love child of Cobalt Kid and Minnie Mouse
Hey! It could happen! Given enough liquor, Minnie would do it with Cobie
Minnie is cute!
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: If a can-can can but a pole poll can't, at what speed do Spirit and Blizzard collide?
This reminds me that I should be typing my next installments of 21st Century Legion!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso: Oooh, and here's a challenege (largely because we haven't ever had a definative answer); who, or what, is the Time Mouse Trapper?
Much mystery surrounds the identity of the Time Mouse Trapper, and there are many theories.
There is of course, the Entity not a person theory, that the Time Mouse Trapper is a primordial force, with no one identity, existing in the form of a mouse to plague the LMB.
There is the Time Mouse Trapper is Lash Lad theory, which stems from the “Great Cogaaad Saga”, in which The Time Mouse Trapper was revealed to be Lash Lad from an alternate time that kept the Living Retcon powers from year two, and allowed them to corrupt him. Split from his mouse pesonna and human persona, the time-traveling mouse left in search of cheese, traveling through time, leaving the evil Lash Lad powerless at the end of time. This was the last time the Time Mouse Trapper has been seen, about two years ago. There are some, however, who believe that this was not really a true event, and a ploy by the Time Mouse Trapper, or even a mistake by the universe itself.
There is the Seahorse/Time Mouse Trapper theory, as many believe that the TMT was actually the beloved LMBer Seahorse, who has not been seen since early Year Four (a former pseudo-founder and leader of the LMB). This really of course stems from the fact that the Time Mouse Trapper was an alt of Seahorse’s back on the old L* Board at the original DCMBs.
There is the Lucien Lad/Time Mouse Trapper theory, although most are not privy to it. There is definitely a strange connection between the Time Mouse Trapper and Lucien Lad, which is slowly being revealed in Bevis’ own Onevision, which I can’t wait to read
Some may not realize that there is a great animosity that exists between the Time Mouse Trapper and the LMB, and it has become far beyond personal. Although once a simple antagonist and even an ally in a Year Two crisis, the Time Mouse Trapper was responsible in Year Three for the fake births of babies to Princess Crujectra, Homecoming Queen, Space Tart and Cobalt Kid (as father, the mother was Debauchery Damsel). The outcome of this crushed many LMBers spirits, leaving rifts in many relationships, as Crujectra’s twins were made to never have existed and Space Tart and Cobalt Kid had to destroy their demonic son (a ploy by both the Time Mouse Trapper and Dr. Albert Hoffman), as well as Cobalt’s evil time-traveling son, the Arch-Duke of Time. Since then, the TMT’s attacks have been much more personal and hurtful, and the LMB purposely showed no mercy in abandoning him at the end of time during their last fight in Year Five.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: There is the Lucien Lad/Time Mouse Trapper theory, although most are not privy to it. There is definitely a strange connection between the Time Mouse Trapper and Lucien Lad, which is slowly being revealed in Bevis own Onevision, which I can’t wait to read
I swear I'll finish that at some point as well. I do know pretty much what's going to happen there. Without giving a huge amount away the theory I'm sort of following is that TMT is Lash, but we are dealing in that story with time travel, cross dimensional travel and retcons which means that while it will be a secret origin (of sorts) for Lucien Lad it won't automatically follow that it's the origin for TMT.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Uncle Space! I forgot all about Uncle Space! The future version of the immortal Uncle Sam, symbolizing universal freedom or some such nonsense, right?
Since he hasn't been used in LMB continuity, I'm claiming him for MEL:TS! If it ever returns *cough cough*, glances at EDE *cough cough*.
I HAVE A QUESTION!
Didn't Nads-Kicker Lass and Penis-Eradicator Lad appear in an LMB tale, and if so which one?
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION!
Did I create or at least co-create these characters, and if I didn't, why did I take it upon myself to write their origin story?
I honestly can't remember. Thanks, Cobie!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Uncle Space! I forgot all about Uncle Space! The future version of the immortal Uncle Sam, symbolizing universal freedom or some such nonsense, right?
Since he hasn't been used in LMB continuity, I'm claiming him for MEL:TS! If it ever returns *cough cough*, glances at EDE *cough cough*.
I HAVE A QUESTION!
Didn't Nads-Kicker Lass and Penis-Eradicator Lad appear in an LMB tale, and if so which one?
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION!
Did I create or at least co-create these characters, and if I didn't, why did I take it upon myself to write their origin story?
I honestly can't remember. Thanks, Cobie!
Uncle Space kicks ass!
Lash, I believe Nads-Kicker Lass and Penis-Eradicator Lad both first appeared in “Super Jailhouse of Space”, as applicants to join the LMB, when in fact they were spies sent by the One Called the One.
Who actually created them is slightly in question, as the original thread was deleted and t he re-posted thread by EDE remains. However, I can say that they were most likely created by you (Lash) or Lardy
Later, there would be a Nads-Kicker Lad created, although he was killed in “The Ongoing LMB Tag Thread”.
Nads-Kicker Lass and Penis-Eradicator Kid also appeared in “The All-New, not-so Different LMB Ongoing Tag Thread”, and played an important role. There, Nads-Kicker Lass seemed to develop a crush on EDE.
Since you at least co-created the characters, you did indeed write their origin story, which established them as kissing cousins who actually mean well for the universe and serve as bright young members of the Green Eunuch Corps!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I believe Kippers has the original "Super-Jailhouse" story saved.
And we're totally using Uncle Space in Matter-Eater Lad and the Legion of Super-Heroes!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Uncle Space has had one on-panel, non-speaking appearance in the LMB world in the latest Halloween tag thread. It must be his LMB Earth counter-part!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: And we're totally using Uncle Space in Matter-Eater Lad and the Legion of Super-Heroes!
As a matter of fact, he appears on the very first page of MELatLSH: The Series!
Posted by LARDLAD on :
To: Cobalt Re: Evil LMBers
You forgot to mention Mordra, the Harlot! Was it an oversight, or were you awaiting the (very) eventual outcome of the "Turning Point" opus?
Regards, Lardy
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I'm awaiting the outcome so I can fill in just how dastardly her plot is
Keep firing away those questions folks!
Posted by Faraway Lad on :
Cobie,
Who invented Whordru and what is her current status in the LMB'verse
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Whordru was invented in the very earliest weeks of the LMB and was established as a very hot woman who happened to have a very disgusting white beard a la Mordru. Of course, the Time Trapper and Mordru would be the first direct spoofs on LSH villains, although the correct order of apearances for LMB villains goes like this: BJ Boy & Hummer Lass, Time Mouse Trapper, Salad-Tosser Lord, Entropy Spinach, Whordru.
Whordu, I'm almost certain, is a creation of Lardy's, although that specific thread/post has been lost to us. Mainly, it was a throwaway concept at first.
Later, in Year Two, Whordru became the surprise enemy in the tag thread "Revolt of the Girl LMBers!" in Year Two, added in by either Lash or Lardy, which I'd have to check. This thread has been lost along with the L* Board, except Loser Lad secretly has it saved and has sent it to me, so we both have it on our computers. He's going to upload it to the LMB Archives someday soon.
Whordru has been referred to many times over the years but never has played a central part in any LMB story. In the 'Ongoing Tag Thread' there was two pages of her battling the LMB.
Recently, Lardy has explored the character in his Onevision "Turning Point", and explains the connection between Whordru and the much worse LMB enemy Mordra the Harlot. So far, all appearances by Whordru have been set in Year One.
The current Year Six status of Whordru is that she is still a major LMB enemy, still imprisoned after her battle with the LMB in "The Ongoing Tag Thread" and still have a white beard.
Lardy might be able to verify who invented Whordru, but the name alone seems to stem from either me or him out of all the early Year One posters, and I know I didn't create her.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
Cobie
I know that Lucien Lad is one of the longest continuously serving members of the LMBP, but who is actually the longest continuosly serving member? Lash? Beagz? And second to that who are the members who have been around from the start but have taken breaks from the group?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Ah! A great question!
To clarify, there have been minor posting periods where people haven’t been totally active, but remained active to a specific extent. In a sense, they had always continuously been around.
Here are the longest serving members of the LMB who have served faithfully and continuously without any interruptions:
Lash Lad – LMB founder, has been part of every era of the LMB. Crusader/Princess Crujectra – Around since the first or second day of the LMB, been a part of every era also. A LMB founder in every sense of the word.
*These two are the longest serving consecutive members, since March 2000.
Sketch Lad – member since early Year One, sometime in late March/April 2000. Dean has been involved with the LMB in some level of activity since the founding. Lucien Lad – member since early Year One, appr. April 2000. Faraway Lad – member since Summer/Fall 2000, Year One in real time, Year Two in continuity.
*Sketch Lad, Lucien Lad (aka Bevis, Gaylipso, etc.) and Faraway Lad are the only other three members from the early days to consecutively have served.
Poverty Lad – From October 2001, Year Three in LMB Continiuity.
*Pov is probably the only other LMBer to have had such a long run, serving consistently since 2001.
In my opinion, many other LMBers have been a part of the LMB for a long time, such as Beagz (first week) and Ultra Matt (Year three), but almost all of these posters have taken a period of time off from posting, so I wouldn’t count them as consecutive runs. After Pov, any others to do so would be after Year Three, so it wouldn’t really count as ‘the longest’.
If you can believe it, no Alt IDs have ever served consecutively for that long of a run, other than Princess Crujectra from appr. September 2000. The longest to have done so would be Space Tart from April 2000 – May 2003, but then that character had a period of inactivity.
Members around from the start that have taken breaks from the LMB I’ll only count members that have remained a part of the LMB for a long period of time.
Lash Lad – LMB Founder Lard Lad – LMB Founder (breaks in most recent years) Shadowplay in Candlelight Lass – LMB Founder (breaks throughout membership) Cobalt Kid – LMB Founder (break in Fall/Winter 2000, return and then break in Spring 2001, return and then long break Summer 2002-Summer 2003). Mystery Lad/Tsarin Kid – LMB Founder (break throughout early years of LMB) Crusader/Princess Crujectra Beagle Boy – (long break about a year ago) Rhino Greybird Loser Lad – long break from Early 2001 – Summer 2004 Dev-Em – breaks throughout Sketch Lad Looks that Kill Lad – Paul was a consistent member since the first month throughout LMB history until he passed away in Early 2004. Space Tart – The only Alt ID from the earliest days of the LMB, Space Tart has been a major part of its history. Shark Lad – member since late April/May 2000, break from Winter 2000 – Fall 2003, return for a period until break around Early 2004, appears occasionally Lucien Lad
*These are the earliest members from the LMB’s early days that have maintained a presence since then. I think it is important to have an honorable mention for Seahorse, who was with the LMB from Day One (LMB Founder) until Summer 2002, and was very much a major part of the LMB.
Other members from Year One, still very early days: Faraway Lad Kid Psychout – who occasionally shows up on LW, but was a part of the LMB for a long time. Dedman – part of the LMB since Winter 2000, stayed a part for a long time, then a long break from roughly Spring 2002 – Fall 2004.
After that, I count the other members, despite being around for years, as not the earliest members.
For a complete listing of every single LMBer, including those that are still not around but were once a major, major part of the LMB, check out The LMB Continuity & Timeline. Above is how I’d break it out though, in regards to how we specified it.
[ November 04, 2005, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: Cobalt Kid ]
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Oh, other LMBer from early months of year one:
Carggaphile (aka Man from Carrgg) Armsfalloffboy
The reason I forget these two occasionally is because they didn’t necessarily participate in LMB-related activity after about the first few weeks, although have returned to active posting in Legion related activity (not LMB related) after their initial breaks.
Posted by Spellbinder on :
Boy... I really AM a dinosaur! Posted by Gay-lipso on :
Yes but a lovely one with great boobs. Posted by Faraway Lad on :
Great Googly Moogly! Have I been around for that long.
Posted by Spellbinder on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso: Yes but a lovely one with great boobs.
Breasteasaurus Posted by Abin Quank on :
You Guys (and Gal) is old! Posted by PolarBoy on :
Cobie where are my pants?
Why did nobody want to hang out in subs cave with me?
Posted by PolarBoy on :
What year is it now
Posted by Tempest on :
Ah, I no make da' list...
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
I'm old in spirit.
Does that count?
Posted by STU on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Ah! A great question!
To clarify, there have been minor posting periods where people haven’t been totally active, but remained active to a specific extent. In a sense, they had always continuously been around.
I've taken breaks from posting, but I haven't taken breaks from the group... i.e., I've generally been in touch with other LMBPers via e-mail/phone even when I haven't been actively posting on whatever forum is current.
Does that count?
Posted by LARDLAD on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Whordu, I'm almost certain, is a creation of Lardy's, although that specific thread/post has been lost to us. Mainly, it was a throwaway concept at first.
Yep, guilty as charged! Like Cobalt said, I wrote her into a thread as a throwaway concept, complete with the description that she was an otherwise perfect female specimen (kinda looking like Felicia Hardy, the Black Cat in my mind) if it weren't for that long pesky beard!
Like Hummer Lass, another originally "throwaway character" I created, Whordru is finally getting some development in the "Turning Point" story as Cobalt said. I even dropped in just why in the hell she has that pesky beard!
The story contains the explanation for the beard. And I also tried to throw Des a bone in the story that I hope he'll pick up on and develop with Whordru and Cobalt Kid (I was thinking she might work into Cobalt's ongoing paternity problems somehow).
So Faraway: read the thing already! You're in it! Posted by LARDLAD on :
Didn't Pov take a fairly significant posting break himself when he had some big health problems?
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Wow, I've been around forever!
Cobes, Is Beigeseid archived somewhere? I'm sorry if you've mentioned that tale somewhere and I've missed it. Also, can you tell Globe Girl's story? I only vaguely remember it.
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
I recently told a tale of how Sketch Lad's powers changed a lot, because of Empress Eraser. I now channel the energies of the physical emobiments of red, blue and yellow, contained within a gemstone worn on my belt. They all happen to be beautiful and powerful women, so it's not really that big a change in my powers.
My question is, is this recent story archived in the LMB's history? How up to date are you?
Please realize that I totally respect that you are the LMB expert, and that I don't realize a fraction of what you know. I just want to know if the stuff I create has a place.
Thanks!
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
Related to the above question, which LMBP members have had significant shifts or changes in power over the years and what were they? (there, that's a challenge for you. )
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by PolarBoy: Cobie where are my pants?
Why did nobody want to hang out in subs cave with me?
Pants are often misplaced among the LMB, never to be found again. My theory is they are somewhere on Earth-4, captive of the villain “Clothes Fall-Off Fred” (since our Earth-1’s Clothes Fall-Off Fred is dead).
quote:Originally posted by PolarBoy: What year is it now
Year Seven in LMB continuity, I believe.
Year One: Early Days of LMB, LardLad Term (longer than usual) Year Two: Lash Lad Term, Loser Lad Term, Crusader Term Year Three: Seahorse Term, Stu Term, Faraway Lad Term Year Four: Cobalt Kid Term, Ultra Matt Term, Roman Tetrarchy Term Year Five: Early Days of Legion World, Princess Crujectra Term, Stu Term, Vee/Quis Term Year Six: Outdoor Miner/Reboot Term, Kid Prime Term, un-official Yellow Kid/Harbinger Term, the Good the Dark and the Dead Year Seven: Post Good, Dark & Dead (roughly three months into it)
This is of course the final months of Year Five in real life, as continuity stretches a little farther out to accommodate the sheer volume of LMB stories, which is often referred to as the Real Life/Continuity overlap.
quote:Originally posted by Tempest: Ah, I no make da' list...
But it’s only the Year One posters and some early Year two ones, so don’t worry!
quote:Originally posted by STU: I've taken breaks from posting, but I haven't taken breaks from the group... i.e., I've generally been in touch with other LMBPers via e-mail/phone even when I haven't been actively posting on whatever forum is current.
Does that count?
Hm, that’s something I never really thought of. When I think of continuously active, I always just assume it means actively posting on the message boards. So, I guess my answer would be: “er…I don’t know ”
To add to the list for any that might not know, Stu has been around since roughly Spring 2001, approximately end of Year Two and Beginning of Year Three. He (and Seahorse) are also usually credited for keeping the LMB alive during one of the most infamous periods of inactivity and getting the group revitalized!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Whordu, I'm almost certain, is a creation of Lardy's, although that specific thread/post has been lost to us. Mainly, it was a throwaway concept at first.
Yep, guilty as charged! Like Cobalt said, I wrote her into a thread as a throwaway concept, complete with the description that she was an otherwise perfect female specimen (kinda looking like Felicia Hardy, the Black Cat in my mind) if it weren't for that long pesky beard!
Like Hummer Lass, another originally "throwaway character" I created, Whordru is finally getting some development in the "Turning Point" story as Cobalt said. I even dropped in just why in the hell she has that pesky beard!
The story contains the explanation for the beard. And I also tried to throw Des a bone in the story that I hope he'll pick up on and develop with Whordru and Cobalt Kid (I was thinking she might work into Cobalt's ongoing paternity problems somehow).
So Faraway: read the thing already! You're in it!
I just caught up to it, and am glad to see Whordru finally fleshed out. Now that you’ve started that little tidbit, you know I have to do something with it
It’s been awhile since I’ve had a child…
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD: Didn't Pov take a fairly significant posting break himself when he had some big health problems?
Hm, I remember Pov’s posting decreasing, but I don’t think he ever actually stopped posting for a bit. To be honest, my memory is a little fuzzy on this one. I thought he always maintained some presence even during his health problems.
quote:Originally posted by Sketch Lad: Wow, I've been around forever!
Cobes, Is Beigeseid archived somewhere? I'm sorry if you've mentioned that tale somewhere and I've missed it. Also, can you tell Globe Girl's story? I only vaguely remember it.
Dean, Beigeseid appeared in the Fall/Winter of 2000, way back in our early days in a thread called “The Never-Ending Tag Thread”. At the time, this was the longest tag thread we’d ever done, up to seven pages before it finally ended. Unfortunately, this has not been archived and was lost to us. The Beigeseid saga (and Plaidseid) was the last two pages of that thread, although we never gave it an official ending. You can see that here: The LMB Never-Ending Tag Thread (Year Two).
Globe Girl was your creation, who came about during that same period. I believe you created her using the same photo-manip model that was used to create Silicon Sandra.
She became a member of the LMB that wasn’t a poster or an alt, which is a category we now refer to as “honorary members”. She actually was in a few LMB tag threads and story ideas, until the above mentioned “Never-Ending Tag Thread”, where it was yourself who explained her origin, which included her being created by Sketch Lad and based on the body and mind of Silicon Sandra (to me it always seemed like a Wonder Man/Vision type thing). In the end of that post, Globe Girl made the ultimate sacrifice and became one of the earliest LMBers to die in battle.
However, over the years a lot of the LMB authors have forgotten that you had Globe Girl die in that thread, and she’s occasionally appeared again. To try and sort out the reasoning why, Lardy gave an updated origin for Globe Girl to better understand her subsequent reappearances, which also connected with to the origin of his old alt ID, HUGEMANBREASTS. See here, for the retconned origin of Globe Girl.
quote:Originally posted by Sketch Lad: I recently told a tale of how Sketch Lad's powers changed a lot, because of Empress Eraser. I now channel the energies of the physical embodiments of red, blue and yellow, contained within a gemstone worn on my belt. They all happen to be beautiful and powerful women, so it's not really that big a change in my powers.
My question is, is this recent story archived in the LMB's history? How up to date are you?
Please realize that I totally respect that you are the LMB expert, and that I don't realize a fraction of what you know. I just want to know if the stuff I create has a place.
Thanks!
The LMB Continuity & Timeline is moving along nicely and close to finished, and I’m about up to the beginning of Kid Prime’s Term of last fall. So, I haven’t gotten to adding in your Onevision (and power changes) yet, but I’ll add them in shortly when I do those sections, as they are very much a part of LMB continuity.
So, all your stuff has a place always Dean, and thanks for the comments! Your artwork has always been an inspiration to LMB authors and a springboard for story ideas, from the days when you created that kick-ass ‘Hummer Lass/Space Tart on the town’ pic! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso: Related to the above question, which LMBP members have had significant shifts or changes in power over the years and what were they? (there, that's a challenge for you. )
*Gulp* I’ll never get any work done at this rate
Let it be said now that many LMBers have had powers that have remained the same from day one. Further, some LMBers were members for awhile before ever establishing a power, and thus didn’t get their power until later. I’m not going to count these.
OK…power changes. There’s really two kinds: (1) powers that have slowly changed as the years have gone on inside of continuity and (2) powers that have retroactively been established.
Here’s a list, which I’m certain will have left things out:
The House of Jectra Cru originally began his LMB career as Newcru King, who had the super-sanitation powers that could make things super-clean. This lasted through Year One and Year Two, towards roughly the end of his term as leader and into the next era.
During the end of Lash’s term we had the reboot versions of characters appear and he created Princess Crujectra. He had so much fun playing her that he kept the character and introduced her in LMB Continuity. This is all here, in The Reboot Reality of the LMB!. Crujectra had the basic powers of illusion at first, but as the months moved on began to show more telepathic powers.
During Year Three, Cru totally revamped both characters and changed Newcru King to ‘Crusader’ and showed that both of the twins had strong psyhic powers. At first Crusader was more of a telekinetic and Crujectra a telepath. As the years have moved on, Cru has honed the powers of both characters to encompass a variety of ‘psychic abilities’. The most recent firm explanation of these powers can be seen here, in Shadowspell. Following this, Crujectra and Crusader also have a telepathic connection to Loser Lad and Cobalt Kid.
Seahorse Seahorse is also the LMBer with the most famously retconned origin, name and powers. Originally LMB Founder ‘Bellbookcandle Kid’, his powers were that he split into three selves: happy, dopey and grumpy. Later, as Year Two came to an end and Year three started, there was the sense of great change in the LMB, as Stu became an active poster, other posters left, etc. During this time, BBC (as we called him) took on the name ‘Seahorse’, and slightly changed his name/origin/powers. Mainly, this remained unexplained, although he became more of an Aquaman-like hero in many LMBers minds.
What people may not realize that there was one post, done by Stu during that time period, that explains these changes, his new name, his new origin and his powers. The post has been lost to us…however, this is another of the tag threads that Loser Lad and myself have saved on our computers, which Lou will add to the Archives. Basically Stu ironed out the inconsistencies, explaining how Seahorse was Seahorse retroactively all along.
Lash Lad Lash has traditionally had the ‘super-whipping’ powers often displayed. However, during Year Two, Lash wrote a bunch of great Onevisions that showed the adventures of the Living Retcon, and later his life as Floyd (sans powers) with Worthless Girl, who had become the new Living Retcon. A third Onevision, “The Adventures of Seahorse and Lash Tot”, showed how Lash gained the Retcon powers of the Living Retcon, which caused him to have a bunch of adventures, after he turned himself into a Tot (feeling nostalgia for his childhood). He lost his powers at the end of this adventure, although there have been subtle hints throughout the last few years to suggest that may have them still after all, in secret.
Cobalt Kid Cobalt Kid has always had the magnetic powers from day one. However, in the early months of Year One, in the “Five Years Later” story, it was shown that in the future, he’ll have one day gained new spiritual abilities (as well as a new mature, spiritual personality a la TMK Jan Arrah). These abilities include a healing power and a ‘spiritual sense’ that’s in tune with the universe.
Years later in my Onevision “Price of Security”, I explained how Cobalt has recently gotten these powers in Year Five, and now has them today.
Lucien Lad Lucien Lad’s powers have always been a duex ex machina, referred to as the “Glamforce”. However, there is another aspect of this ability known as Lucien Lad’s super-nostalgia powers, which allows him to use his nostalgia to focus his powers to change reality in strange ways. The most famous example of this is when Lucien Lad missed Christmas in the middle of summer, and thus used his powers to make it Christmas: thus there was snow, decorations, etc. I figure you’ll be further expanding this in your current Onevision.
Dev-Em Dev began his LMB career as a half-Daxamite/half-Durlan alien, who had the powers of both races. He later added the name ‘Anchor Boy’ to his moniker, and was deputy leader under Cru.
Later, Dev took a brief break and returned in Year Three, and this time changed his name to “Shift Kid”. Shift Kid had lost all portions of his Daxamite heritage and was fully Durlan, with only the Durlan powers.
Since then, he’s returned on and off and posts as just Dev-Em. His powers remain a little unclear at this point, although other authors have shown him use his Daxamite powers. This of course, can clearly be written away as Dev using his Durlan abilities to make it seem like he was still half-Daxamite when he was not.
Space Tart During “Hot Summer Nights” and “Doom of the Super-Heroes”, Space Tart gained the power to pull objects out of people’s asses. After Teeds and Crujectra turned this power down and Spacey retroactively as given it, LardLad explained that this stemmed from her previously being held by the Emerald Ass of Ekron in Year Two. This is explained earlier in this thread, IIRC.
Sketch Lad Dean has recently had his powers altered, which can bee seen above in his post.
LMB Spectre One of many of the earliest LMBers favorite characters, the LMBP Spectre has an interesting history. In the first tag thread “The LMB Adventures” (which has been lost to us), we see the statue of ‘Foodmaker Kid’, the first LMBer to die in battle. Almost immediately, you can see that a dead member was retconned in. The early LMB would reference Foodmaker Kid every so often during that first month.
Later, during the Road Trips, the trip to Titans World world saw the return of Foodmaker Kid, only this time in the body of Donna Troy. We then saw that he also had the merged essence of the Spectre, Hal Jorden/Parrallax and Jar Jar Binks. This entity appeared destroyed.
Later during Year Five (on Legion World), someone ironed out that the LMBP Spectre still existed and was the mind of Foodmaker Kid, in the body of Donna Troy with the powers of the Spectre. Another poster has since created an username and uses the LMBP Spectre.
The essence of Jar Jar Binks and Parrallax became “Jar Jarallax”, and are an LMB enemy (that bit is my creation).
Faraway Lad In “Crisis on Earth-4” it is revealed that only the Faraway Lad’s of the various Earths have the power journey from Earth to Earth as a natural extension of their powers.
Dedman To be honest, I’m not entirely sure, but I think it’s only Dedman’s origin that has changed and not his powers. He’d have to answer that one.
Iron Rat Stu has always been a magic-user over the years, but some people may get confused on his changing of appearances. He’s been able to change his form into a variety of animals, including most famously a bird, a monkey or a duck. In the Ongoing Tag Thread we learned that Stu has a plethora of forms he can take, including StuChiaElephant and StuAmoeba.
Eryk Davis Ester EDE started out as a powerless friend of the LMB, although he was extremely important to the fate of the universe for mysterious reasons (which were later revealed as his connections to Pornis, the One Called the One and Lucifer Lass). However, the Light Brigade was so impressed by his heroism that made him a member of their team, because he had done such a good job disguising himself. Thus, he became “Boy of 1,000 Faces” in Doom of the Super-Heroes. Later, he joined the LMB following “Super Jailhouse of Space”.
His bad-luck powers a la Calamity King have always been a part of his personality, although I’m not entirely sure this has ever been outright stated.
In ‘Crisis on Earth-4” we learned that by uttering the word “jeepers!” he can summon a luck-lord that will do whatever he asks it to, and even help give do things that will bring him luck if he doesn’t even ask! The reason he never had this before was that the infamous nelly cap he wore was actually the Emerald Nelly Cap of Ekron! Following the battle, he got back his nelly cap sans Emerald Ekron-ness, and now has the power to summon his luck lord with that magic word.
Varalent A natural extension of Vee’s power is that he can use his super-size changing powers to focus on a specific set of molecules. As he expands these molecules, they gain increased mass and thus increased force, and he can use these beams of increased force to slam into his enemies (i.e. he shoots force beams at people).
Semi-Transparent Fellow Semi has always had a ‘as of yet unrevealed second power’, although we have never been privy to what it is.
Abin Quank Abin started out as “New Kid” with super-annoying powers, and was mainly the brother of the much more heroic Space Ranger. He changed his name to ‘Almost New Kid’ and then “Almost, but not quite New Kid” as the weeks went on. Vee began calling him ABNQNK at this point to abbreviate his name. Then, in one of the funniest posts in tag team history, Numf-El first appeared on the scene and had some hilarious dialogue with the LMB. At one point, he said ‘Abin Quank? What the hell name is that?” Following up, I took the ball and ran with it, showing that Abin Quank was indeed New Kid’s real name, and that he was given a Green Lantern ring to become the LMB’s Green Lantern (a la Abin Sur).
Reboot Previously Sanity or Madness?, SoM had both a Sanity side and a Madness side, and was like an LMB mad scientist type. Upon finding Glitch, he lost the Madness side and gained reboot powers through Glitch, which also do a number of things. He’s explained this more thoroughly elsewhere.
Invisible Brainiac Not a power change per se, but IB previously had not told the LMB his true powers when he first joined. At first, they believed him to be able to harness his genius when he turned invisible.
However, in the Ongoing Tag Thread, it was revealed that IB actually had total control and mastery over light, and was so strong that he had to use powerful earrings that held his power in check, but even then he could still turn invisible with them on. He was always very bright and a brainiac, but was unable to focus when people were looking at him. Therefore, upon this reveal, he has continued to work hard at focusing his super-powerful abilities and continues to master his power over light in a variety of ways.
Tempest All of Terry’s characters are different people and exist at the same time in the LMB universe, so there are no real power changes going on. Almost all have been magic-users in a variety of different ways.
I want to say I probably left someone out, but I’m pretty sure its damn close to everyone. Just to clarify, I haven’t included people that had their power all along, but we didn’t know about it until later (i.e. Dr. One, Mondo Joe X, etc.).
I swear, if one person gets mad about me messing this up…I’m going to make them pay in a tag thread… Posted by Gay-lipso on :
That's the origin of Abin's name? You know I never knew that before. Cool.
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Lucien Lad Lucien Lad's powers have always been a duex ex machina, referred to as the 'Glamforce'. However, there is another aspect of this ability known as Lucien Lad's super-nostalgia powers, which allows him to use his nostalgia to focus his powers to change reality in strange ways. The most famous example of this is when Lucien Lad missed Christmas in the middle of summer, and thus used his powers to make it Christmas: thus there was snow, decorations, etc. I figure you'll be further expanding this in your current Onevision.
The Glamforce a deux ex machina? Why, I...oooohh... it's no such thing, I...
Eh, alright, it's a complete deux ex machina. I'm not sure if I've ever really stated what Lucien Lad's Glamforce powers are, other than (I think) he's fast, strong and ultra glam. The Brads link to the Glamforce to the Glamforce as well, as does the Palace, but I think they relate as much to his nostalgia/reality bending powers. His nostalgia powers do kind of spring from the fact that he's travelled through time and space repeatedly before actually ending up in the LMBP (some of which I've documented in my One Vision but that i really need to finish off) but they also link to his relationship with the Time Mouse Trapper and Lash Lad and his Living Retcon powers. I'm not really sure how much of that final link I'll actually go into though since while it does play on some established points of LMBP history and Lash's character I don't want to go changing Lash's persona or fixing his past/future history too much without his say so.
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Cobie RAWKS!
Posted by Tempest on :
that's dues ex machina
Posted by STU on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: *Gulp* I’ll never get any work done at this rate
"Busy November," my you-know-what... Posted by MLLASH on :
Dad-frickin'-GUM, Cobes... you're incredible. Nice to see someone remembers the Living Retcon!
Posted by LARDLAD on :
So, Des...how would you rank the LMBers in terms of raw power? (You don't need to rank all of them---maybe the top ten, with some explanations)
Hope this doesn't stump ya!
Posted by Tempest on :
Top fifteen (I was ranking, I think I may make this list, I did just nuke a guy)
Posted by MLLASH on :
Jillikers-- does this mean it's time to reveal wether or not I still have the Living Retcon powers...?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Top 10 (or 15)?
Hm…I could probably do that.
I’ll let it be said right now though, that this is purely my own opinion. I’m by no means the end all/say all authority on this, although I do like to think I know the LMB inside and out better than any other living, dead or unborn soul. Here’s how I’d rank all of the LMB, past and present, in terms of sheer power.
First – We’re doing this in terms of raw power, not anything else. So things like super-smarts aren’t going to be counted, especially in light of how many would-be geniuses there are in the LMB. Also, things like craftiness and proficiency with their powers won’t come into play.
Second – I think I want to say something of my own regarding this issue. To me, the LMB has always been (at least partially—and a big part) a group of ‘Heroic Misfits’. They are super-heroes, with the same super-hero qualities that we know, but they are most definitely flawed through and through. Drinking, gambling, sex, etc. are a common theme. And so is screwing up on the job and with their powers. That’s part of the fun. I like to think that the LMB is a group of Samwise the Braves. A little bumbling, but you can rely on them. And Frodo would never got very far without Sam—and that is enough.
Making a character all powerful could be a waste if the character doesn’t have some sort of conflict regarding their powers. Some sort of flaw or character problem that they have to fight through (i.e. the Spectre needs a human host in DC).
And the other major thing is that its characters with more specific, less powerful powers that make the LMB as fun as it is. Just like the LSH and the X-Men, it’s the characters with cool niche powers that really prove how heroic they can be. In other words, Nightcrawler using his teleportation and Star Boy using his super-heavy powers help enrich their respective worlds, other than Mon-El and Phoenix going in and saving the day.
I had to say all that before I could continue
With that in mind, here’s my top list of the most powerful LMBers:
1) LardLad- LardLad has always been (from day one) the LMB’s big gun, and in my mind, he will always be that. The very nature of the Lardforce, which is essentially ill-defined although loosely structured, ensures that it is the most powerful force in the universe, since it ties directly into how the universe itself works and maintains itself. Plus, Lardy is to the LMB what Superman of Earth-2 is to the DCU since he started the “Who Are You’ thread all those years ago. I see him like Johnny Quick sees Alan Scott in “the Golden Age”. He’s our big gun. Further, at the end of the LMB’s story, it will come down to LardLad vs. the entire LMB, and that in and of itself means that he has to be powerful enough to battle all of the LMB, including the next people on this list directly below him. So, he’s hands down the most powerful.
His very nature, including the hedonistic growth of the character and the inner struggle between his good and dark sides are part of what makes his story very Shakespearan and allows the character to move past being so powerful.
2) The LMBP Spectre – Once again, this can’t really be disputed. The LMBP Spectre in the DCU is the most powerful thing in that universe. The Spectre could eat the Marvel U like corndog if he wanted to. The Spirit of Vengeance has one true power: he can do anything. Thus, our very own LMBP Spectre has the same abilities. This is probably why we rarely use the character in our stories, although some of us (I think of Lucien and myself right now) love using her because of how the character has grown, from the dead retconned in Foodmaker Kid to encompassing Donna Troy and other characters to the current LMBP Spectre. The total confusion of the identity helps provide a way to get past the all-encompassing sheer power of the Spectre, and thankfully exists—the less people who actually understand the character, the better in that she isn’t overly used.
*)Lash Lad – I have this listed as a star, as I’m unsure of whether to include a number. Basically, we don’t know if Lash still has the retcon powers. And I’m going to slyly give him a way out of answering that if he doesn’t want to . But, and that’s a big but, if he did still have them, he’d be number three. The powers of the Living Retcon can change reality/time/space/continuity/life. The can change anything and ensure was always like that. If Lash Lad and Cobalt Kid get in a fight and Lash still has the powers…*poof* no more Cobalt Kid, time fixes itself so that it kinda works. Does he still have ‘em? He’s about the only one I’d ever want to have ‘em…
3)Lucien Lad Followed right after (logically) is Lucien Lad, for much of the same reasons. The Glamforce, as Bevis says above, is essentially a deus a machina (if we all had the spelling wrong) and can fix any situation. And the nostalgia force (in my mind) can really even be more powerful, which is why I immediately thought of it during the Infinite Crisis thing as a potential solution. Once again, reality can be altered, although this time in more limited ways, relating directly to nostalgia and glam (which, lets face it, 80% of us don’t get ). The restrictions in that they directly reflect Bevis’s own definitions of these things are what make these powers so damn fun and interesting and often through most of us for a loop. It’s their greatest asset and their greatest flaw, a perfect dichotomy.
4)Magic-Users - I was going to list them all one by one in this top ten, but there’s really no point. The big three mages have always been used in such a way that they could do close to anything in the big cosmic sense, or they could be used to do smaller things in smaller missions. The main focus must always be on the fact that magic-users traditionally have two major weaknesses: they must study, prepare and gather materials for spells, and the also are very weak after using big spells and can’t keep cranking them out (those things essentially make magic-users interesting). Stu (Iron Rat) was our first magic-user, and his ever-changing animal forms add a further layer to this. Tempest (as well as High Priestess Viviane and Luna) also show off these massive talents, and her own history and family ties often prove to be her worst enemy, as well as a temper that I’m sure Terry shows off to show that her characters must always overcome their own human emotions. Pagan Lass is the last of the big three, and has her own limitations that relate directly to her goddess Bast and doing her will. Thus, all three have weaknesses and layers to their characters, which make them more interesting, and all three are immensely powerful.
On a smaller note, there have been other magic-users over the years (six years and a very common theme), but I wouldn’t put them at this level. To have a really powerful character, the real life poster themselves need the staying power to add depth and layers that give a deeper explanation.
5) Invisible Brainiac – What some people forget or don’t realize (if they haven’t read the tag teams) is that IB’s real power is to harness the immense and total power of light. He’s so strong, that it is a burden on him to reign his power in and control it, so he has to use artificial devices to do so, which is why his earlier days as an LMBer made us believe he had other power. Thus, he has the potential (and is working towards) to develop complete mastery over light, and all of the aspects of what that truly means. To be light essentially means you are immortal (and invulnerable), and can do things Flash, Green Lantern, Airwave, Sun Boy, and a whole plethora of others can do. Light is one of the strongest forces in the universe, and the notion that IB has to continually repress and control this power (his own very brilliant idea) understates what a potent force it is. This also introduces another interesting layer to the character’s powers (and the character himself), and just what, say, an Invisible Brainiac ten years in the future could do.
6) Dev-Em (also Engine Joe and the deceased Space Ranger) – I used to not be in this mindset, but I believe the powers of the Kryptonians and Daxamites really are this high on the list. Even over other incredible universe shaking powers as gravity, magnetism, etc. It took me to reread some Silver Age Superman stories, and even Superman of Earth-2 in Crisis to get a real sense of how strong these beings could be. I’m actually very glad there aren’t more of them in LMB lore. The total powers of Superman, including speed, strength and invulnerability that he possesses is the ultimate weapon against antagonists—but even more, the ultimate weapon against illogical enemies like entropy, dimensional barriers, etc. It took me a long time to think this way, but I believe that now.
On a smaller note, another LMBer to have this power is Kara. We (LMB tag authors) once wrote Harbinger to have the power, but I believe this has been altered in LMB lore. Engine Joe never really did anything in LMB missions/stories before. IMO, Space Ranger was the best portrayal of these powers, and was kinda of the Mon-El (power-wise) for the LMB.
Dev-Em’s powers are extremely tricky, as my above post on power changes will show—he might not even have the Daxamites anymore. He also posses full Durlan abilities, so the combination of the two by far makes him the front-runner here. However, if her were to only have the Durlan ones, I’d lower him on the list. With Space Ranger deceased and the others never having a long stay like the others here, this would make this category temporarily moot.
7) Abin Quank – Abin mind be shocked to here me say it, but he’s right here on the list . The Green Lantern ring truly is that powerful, which is why I found it so amusing when I presented it to him. It is essentially the most powerful weapon in the universe and there is little it cannot do. Anyone curious should note that Abin and I have established it does not have a yellow weakness, although recent Green Lantern issues may give Abin room for thought on the fear/yellow angle, but essentially, the LMB Green Latnern has no known weaknesses, other than the limitations of his imagination, his willpower and full use of his brain.
Abin, like Lardy, is a true master story-teller however, and has always used posts in LMB tales to play up the fact that the very human-ness of Abin Quank (and all of us) makes us very flawed, despite our powers. The way Abin writes Abin, you might not realize how powerful the character is, because Chuck taps directly into what the LMB is—Heroic Misfits. But I’d put him here.
8)Varalent/Emerald Emperss – If the Emerald Empress were still alive, I might do this differently. But as it stands, I’d probably still keep Vee this high up on the list. Here’s why.
Vee’s power has always been defined as his ability to make things grown and shrink (including himself), making him very different from other size-changing heroes in comic book lore. The ability to alter matter in that type of way is an extremely powerful power. Some time ago, however, we saw some even further insight into how powerful Vee was, in the idea that he could focus his power so sharply that he could increase the size of small molecules in specific matter and fire them at some one. Essentially, he could create bursts of pure force, which is essentially molecules speedily growing in size. I thought about this for awhile, and have always meant to use this ability in a tag thread in a very DC Silver Age super-science sort of way. The way I see, Vee controls one of the fundamental elements of the universe, in the sense that he could alter matter and molecular stability into more explosive elements—which theoretically alter the very nature of the universe itself. Thus, if the world was about to be engulfed in a giant anti-matter hole, Vee’s power, with the write author using logic and bullshit to back it up, could explain how Vee’s power could increase or decrease the molecules (or both) into a more compact force, which could cause it to explode (a bomb-type weapon), implode (eliminate the threat) or some other crazy thing. The possibilities are there.
Now, add on the fact that Vee has just come into possession of the Emerald Eye, which is another all-powerful item, which is only limited by the constant struggle of the Eye versus its master. Perhaps Vee will in some way connect these two powers into something even more coherent and logical? Time will tell, but these are two very potent forces within Vee.
9) The House of Jectra – I usually include Crujectra and Crusader together, since the two are two sides of one very powerful concept and force. These psych powers, including telekinesis and telepathy especially, are some of the most fundamentally powerful forces in comics. One only has to look at Phoenix (which has been defined as these two forces to their most maximum ability) or the use of telepathy in the Marvel U in the last 25 years to see that. Telekinesis essentially becomes a force to move matter in all of its forms, and even more potent, telepathy becomes the ultimate weapon and defense against the mind. And the mind, almost always, is the one greatest weakness of any enemy, hero or villain. A quick look at the above mentioned heroes shows that each and everyone is susceptible to a mind attack, and can fall in that way. Should Crujectra enter the mind of the LMB Spectre and play up the destructive nature of the personalities there, she could essentially stop the Spirit of Vengeance. The mind is a very hard to defend weakness and a very potent way of shutting someone down. Cru knows this, and also understands that the mind is a much more complicated thing than the old 1960’s ‘shut his mind down’ type offense. It’s Cru’s understanding of the variety of ways telepathy can be used and stopped that makes it such an interesting power. Further, its basis, like Abin’s, is based on willpower, which always makes for an interesting conflict. I’d put that here on the list, above things like Ultra-powers, lightning, and other stuff, because an assault on the mind is a very dangerous weapon to possess.
10) Reboot – To be completely honest, I don’t fully understand Reboot’s abilities or Glitch’s (his weapon/ally for those who didn’t know). He’s explained to me before, and I fully welcome him to do so here. But he does have the ability to reboot himself in the fullest sense of the word, which makes him able to find ways to deal with almost any situation. At first, I thought his power seemed like another duex a machina, but he’s developed these powers more in depth and shown there are limits and weaknesses, which further reveal just how powerful his powers truly are. Needless to say, I think he would make the list right here.
Before we continue, some more thoughts - Any one of these heroes could essentially beat the other, given the writer and the circumstances. I could easily explain in one paragraph why Cobalt Kid could beat each and everyone on this list in a clear, concise victory with the enemy defeated. That’s the way it goes, especially with powers that are completely and utterly imaginary.
- Any of these people on the list could be beaten by a group of heroes, depending on the writer and circumstances. Same as above, it’s the way it goes. Still, a really good writer would have to explain the hows and whys, and it would be interesting to see. Further, no battle can be fought without some emotional human involvement, making it much harder for Lardy to beat Loser Lad, say, than Lardy to beat Paste Pot Pete—essentially, he has a history and friendship with Lou.
Honorable Mentions Ultra Matt – Matt, of course, has Ultra powers, which are Superman’s abilities, with the weakness that he can only use one at a time. This weakness, to me, gets him off this list, but makes him still one of the most powerful LMBers. Further, some LSH issues and topics have explored the full use of Ultra powers, in that they may be limited by Jo’s mimicking Superboy…that possible, they could extend to things like time travel and all sorts of other things. But that’s all theoretic at this point.
Cobalt Kid – I know just how powerful magnetism could be, which is why I picked it so long ago. I almost wanted to put myself on the list, but I see my powers as being more along the lines of 11th or 12th on the list. Magnetism is essentially one of the strongest forces in the universe, and is directly relating to gravity, the forces holding the universe together and the forces allowing molecules to bind themselves together. These are all things that magnetism, on its most potent level, could easily do. Although often associated with metal, the true definition and studies of magnetism reveal that all things have magnetic pulls and forces, and the polarity of other things, like water, could allow for magnetism to be used in a variety of other ways. The common comic book concept of magnetism is already pretty firm—one only needs to look at Magneto in the Marvel U to see that. It could truly be used to make tremendous cosmic and galactic progress in stories, if used right. Further, Cobalt Kid has the spiritual abilities he inherited in “Price of Security”—magically allowing him to heal almost any wound, as well as giving him a spiritual awareness that may or may not grow into his best defense against magic and cosmic entities.
Eryk Davis Ester – Eryk’s status in the LMB has always had him down among the lesser powerful members, but his acquiring of a Luck Lord under his control puts him well into this area of the countdown (er, or up). The Luck Lord can essentially do anything he wants it to, and usually does things for him that he never even thinks of, ensuring he has good luck. The very concept of this itself makes it interesting, as does the fact that its not always something people would have in mind. A very powerful, and even reliable ability, but one that has results that may not be obvious before using it.
Space Tart – Space Tart can pull critical objects out of people’s asses. Its essentially the most LMB of all duex a machinas, and one that often times will kill the person whose asses is getting stuff pulled out of it (say, if it’s a tractor or something). The limits on this, of course, is that you might not always get the thing you need, although sometimes, you can exactly what you need, like when Spacey pulled the universe out of someone’s ass. The limits of this power are entirely up to whoever is writing it. The very nature of the power made me put it here, although the argument is there for this power to be right under Lucien Lad’s. The reliability of it is something that needs to be more defined before I would do so.
Drake – If Drake has all the powers of Wildfire, he’d be in the top ten, hands down, above Dev-Em. But I’m unsure if he does, since he’s never really defined his powers or LMB character and we’ve never really used him. Mm…something to do in the future. But Wildfire’s powers are a whole different subject and I’m running out of time…needless to say, their quite powerful.
Faraway Lad – Far can send anyone far away, although he does not have the greatest control of doing so. However, the potential for sheer power is there to really move across space as easily as Far could want to do. Further, this means a direct correlation to time, something we’ve never even touched on in our stories. Could Far move through time? Possibly. We’ve also established that the Faraway Lad’s of various Earth’s are the only ones that can move across the multiple Earth’s—an ability unique only to them. That opens up a whole new series of questions and possibilities of the very nature of Far’s power, and how it can be used to navigate space/time/reality (and send people across these things).
Wow, I write a lot
[ November 09, 2005, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Cobalt Kid ]
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: 10) Reboot – To be completely honest, I don’t fully understand Reboot’s abilities or Glitch’s (his weapon/ally for those who didn’t know). He’s explained to me before, and I fully welcome him to do so here. But he does have the ability to reboot himself in the fullest sense of the word, which makes him able to find ways to deal with almost any situation. At first, I thought his power seemed like another duex a machina, but he’s developed these powers more in depth and shown there are limits and weaknesses, which further reveal just how powerful his powers truly are. Needless to say, I think he would make the list right here.
This is what happens when you're not a simple flying brick or Deus Ex Machina, huh? (I don't care if it's the right spelling, that's how I spell it )
1) Rebooting - altering the form of myself and/or others, one at a time. This can be shapeshifting and/or to invisiblity/intangibility, but not to completely inert (i.e., non-living) matter. 2) Energy sponge - I soak up energy, mostly to power various gadgets I carry. If I charge/discharge too quickly, it tires me out, and if I overcharge, Bad Things Happen since I go screwball while my power level jumps enormously, and do things like Rebooting a bunch of insects into an army of Daleks 3) 10th level intelligence - mostly used to create gadgets, of which the foremost two are my trusty forcefield and teleporter . I also have various specific gadgets like the one I used to kill a load of Cobalt clones and depower the original .
Glitch - sentient keytool, which communicates with me telepathically, which is heard by everyone else as whirrs and clicks. It can either turn into an on-the-fly gadget (e.g., communicator, zip/hover board, blaster) or maintain a pre-existing gadget while I'm distracted by something else.
Got it now? Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: This is what happens when you're not a simple flying brick or Deus Ex Machina, huh? (I don't care if it's the right spelling, that's how I spell it )
And you've spelled it right!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Thanks 'Boot
Given the altering the form of others (altering living matter) and soaking up energy, the combination of the two does ring true of being able to reboot things. Further, I would keep you on the list where you are, given your powers and limitations.
Thanks!
One other thing: if anyone thinks I'm missing a mega powerful LMBer, by all means tell me!
Posted by Tempest on :
Yay, I made the list!!
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Des, I'm really flattered that you put Lardy at the top of your list. I wasn't necessarily expecting that!
I guess one thing you based his placement on was that I've stated the only limit to his power is Lardy's imagination. It's also been stated that he's definitely the most powerful of all the Lard Knights. It's even been said that no other comes close. As I develop Lard Lass, I hope to show how she compares as possibly the secondmost powerful.
I also don't really see his power as deus ex machina. Lardy's never created from nothing something like the Ultimate Nullifier, for example. What he does do is access an extradimensional energy that seems attracted to some beings who are either obese or have some other connection to fat cells. Maybe their parents were obese, or in Lard Lass's case, her mom specialized in liposuction in a plastic sugery office. The easiest way to wield the power is to manipulate fat cells. But the most adept users can channel the energy to rise well above that limitation. Lardy can teleport, create force fields and fire energy blasts (among other uses) which have nothing to do with manipulating fat cells.
But Lardy is also potentially the weakest of all LMBers because of some debilitating character flaws: He's a drunk. He's a whoremonger. And he's shut down the part of himself that allows him to love or even show any emotional pain. When he does show intense emotion, it usually takes the form of a violent rage. Those first two things recently bit him in the ass when he got his powers stolen a while back. The magic 8-ball says he'll eventually get them back, but it also says that doing so will probably cost him again.
So Cobalt, you hit the nail on the head. Seemingly all-powerful foes are much more interesting when they have powerful flaws to go with them. And as you hinted, Lardy's flaws will really cost the LMB in the future.
Posted by LARDLAD on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Further, at the end of the LMB’s story, it will come down to LardLad vs. the entire LMB, and that in and of itself means that he has to be powerful enough to battle all of the LMB, including the next people on this list directly below him. So, he’s hands down the most powerful.
So do you think "Reign of the Dark Lard" is/will be the last LMB story? Or do you just mean it's the last known story chronologically to be told with nothing scheduled at this time to happen after it? There are times that I thought it could be the former, but I've leaned toward the latter. Certainly, I've never planned for all the LMB to be killed off in the story. But the outcome of it all could be a trigger to bring the LMB down.
Or...hell, I'm not even close to writing the thing yet! So it's rather pointless to get in a deep tirade about it. And even if my writing output wasn't cosmically slow, I would keep finding other ways to put it off! I mean, it's a daunting thing to even think about writing the definitive climax of a character I've put a lot into. And then there's the fear that it'll be a real letdown to you or anyone else who might be wanting to read it. Damn!
I'm not sure what I'll write after "Turning Point". I'll probably think of something else to put "Reign" off! Maybe "White Twilight". Funny thing is, when I came up with the basic outline for "Reign" (and yes, I've always known most of the bullet points of what happens in it), I knew almost immediately another story I wanted to write that took pace about 20 years after it! Oh my aching head.....
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Oh! And by the way, just how did Space Ranger and Emerald Empress die? I missed those...was that part of our version of Infinite Crisis? (missed that too) Did I glance somewhere that Faraway died, too? (I'm guessing that was overturned since he's not listed as deceased in the list)
Anyone else of note die recently? If so, who and how?
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD: So do you think "Reign of the Dark Lard" is/will be the last LMB story? Or do you just mean it's the last known story chronologically to be told with nothing scheduled at this time to happen after it? There are times that I thought it could be the former, but I've leaned toward the latter. Certainly, I've never planned for all the LMB to be killed off in the story. But the outcome of it all could be a trigger to bring the LMB down.
It could be the last story of the LMBP 'proper' but with my own One Vision I've put in references to at least some stories happening a little later down the line with Lucien Lad and the Time Mouse Trapper (kind of going on the assumption that TTMT *is* Lash) so at the very least those two survive. Of course if we go off Cobie's most powerful list (I made the top 3! Yay!) it could well be that in the final climactic battle Lucien Lad and Lash were both transformed into their states that we see them at the start of The Rise and Fall of Lucien Lad. Lucien Lad mentions in the first part fo that that he didn't find out who he was until after the Universal Wars and the final collapse of the LMBP. It could easily be that those Universal Wars were actually the same events as 'Reign of Dark Lard', or maybe there was a second generation of the LMBP with the few remaining members (Lucien Lad, Lash and maybe a couple of others?) and he's referring to *their* collapse. The fact that they're talking at the very end of the multiverse means that they're incredibly far in the future and who's to say that there weren't more than one LMBPs? There are a few LMBPers who could potentially be immortal to one extent or another (Lucien Lad certainly is even if he's transformed into a different state, possibly Lash if he is TTMT and/or has the Living Retcon powers, IB as Cobie pointed out, the magic users possibly as well) and if that's so they could be responsible for forming new LMBPs far in the future of the current team.
All that being said I do like the idea that there is a 'final' LMBP story, one that ends with the end of the team. Something dark but with a possibility of hope coming through.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: 3)Lucien Lad Followed right after (logically) is Lucien Lad, for much of the same reasons. The Glamforce, as Bevis says above, is essentially a deus a machina (if we all had the spelling wrong) and can fix any situation. And the nostalgia force (in my mind) can really even be more powerful, which is why I immediately thought of it during the Infinite Crisis thing as a potential solution. Once again, reality can be altered, although this time in more limited ways, relating directly to nostalgia and glam (which, lets face it, 80% of us don't get ). The restrictions in that they directly reflect Bevis's own definitions of these things are what make these powers so damn fun and interesting and often through most of us for a loop. It's their greatest asset and their greatest flaw, a perfect dichotomy.
To my mind the Glam Force, while being pretty much anything it needs to be, isn't really that huge a power. The Brads are infinite and the Palace could be a useful story device (it can be an interdimensional portal after all) but in and of itself it doesn't really have any great force other than to keep Lucien Lad pretty much immortal and to lend him a certain degree of superstrength/speed/etc. With just the Glam Force as his power Lucien Lad would be way down the list. He'd be fabulous but he'd be the equivalent of... ooh, Jubilee or someone like that. Pretty power but not really that versatile. As you dsay though it's the nostalgia power that's the big one. I don't think it's ever been fully defined, but again as you say the flaw with it (and possibly the strength) is that the reality that Lucien Lad can remember and can recreate is influenced entirely by his own view of it. lucien Lad is, to put it mildly, a little self obsessed and sees everyone through a rather distored mirror in a way. His nostalgia powers don't automatically make things as they actually were but how he thinks they *should* be. It's not quite a Living Retcon power where he can change anything, but it does mean that he can change reality into something that it wasn't before. So far I don't think we've ever really seen his nostalgia powers in a very controlled way. it's either been a bit random (like the Christmas incident) or almost by accident (I think during the whole Lash Tot/Funny animals LMBP stories he kind of automatically reset himself to how he was before without actually affecting the others around him). Of course if he were to fully harnes those powers and understand that it's his perceptions, his world view, that take shape then it could be verging on Living Retcon levels of power. I don't know if I'd ever want to take him that far though (at least not while he's still part of the LMBP) but the potential is there.
And finally there's the whole Gay-lipso powers thing as well. Ok so they were hugely undefined during Crisis and aren't really very like the DC Eclipso powers (he's not affected by sunlight for example) but they are at least to some degree a level of magic use. Almost a step down version of the Spectre's power. Now it could of course be that he was in some way channeling the LMBP Spectre (for her own reasons) and I'm not sure whether his ability to hold reality together was a combination of his nostalgia powers and his Gay-lipso powers but that would make sense (since he had to be Gay-lipso and there had to be two of him to hold reality together). I think he's going to set aside his Gay-lipso powers now though, although there's always the chance that he might take them up again in the future if they're needed.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
Oooh oooh oooh, two new questions.
First is, Ok we've had the list of the most powerful LMBPers, how about the list of the most powerful LMBP villains (either including LMBPers gone bad or not as the case may be).
And secondly the LMBp has had a fair few 'celebrity' guest stars over the years (Cher, Elvis, Catherine the Great, Frankie Muniz etc) but who are the most important ones, and were any of them *actually* the real celebs (I'm pretty sure Cher was but I'm not sure about any of the others).
Posted by Tempest on :
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD: But Lardy is also potentially the weakest of all LMBers because of some debilitating character flaws: He's a drunk. He's a whoremonger. And he's shut down the part of himself that allows him to love or even show any emotional pain. When he does show intense emotion, it usually takes the form of a violent rage. Those first two things recently bit him in the ass when he got his powers stolen a while back. The magic 8-ball says he'll eventually get them back, but it also says that doing so will probably cost him again.
My main problem must be that I can be one cranky bitch!
Hey, it's not my fault, school and work suck monkey-bobo!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Lardy, I’m glad you enjoyed my view of LardLad and his powers and personality, and how the two create such strengths and flaws of his character.
Bevis, I also agree that it’s the nostalgia powers that are the most powerful in Lucien Lad’s character, which potentially can be the powers of the Living Retcon, albeit, it would change things and people would remember, so it wouldn’t necessarily be a ‘retcon’. And the flaw of the powers is what really makes them interesting, and what really makes them more ‘LMB’ than anything else. I’ve always seen them as one of the ‘ultimate tag team weapons’ that a Tag author could use in explaining away posts that drive a tag team story into the ground
Now, I have a question for you though: to be honest, I kind of got burnt out on LMB Infinite Crisis and couldn’t quite keep up with the end. I’m going to reread the whole thing eventually and sort it out, but you can help me regarding Gay-Lipso. Did Lucien Lad and Gay-Lipso (Earth-4 Glamour Puss) remain two people in one essence? Did Lucien Lad keep the Gay-Lipso powers? From your post, I can see we’re already sorting out exactly how to define them.
Terry, I’ve always thought that the temper of your various characters (more Viviane and Luna than others) was a way of humanizing what appears to be an aloof god-like powerful figure, and thus gives them what is potentially their greatest flaw and weakness. It’s always been an interesting conundrum.
I’ll get to all the big questions shortly and I think I’m going to answer a question of my own that I recently was wondering: what is the entire, exact list of dead LMBers? It’s more than you think…
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD: Oh! And by the way, just how did Space Ranger and Emerald Empress die? I missed those...was that part of our version of Infinite Crisis? (missed that too) Did I glance somewhere that Faraway died, too? (I'm guessing that was overturned since he's not listed as deceased in the list)
Anyone else of note die recently? If so, who and how?
Both Emerald Empress and Space Ranger recently died in LMB Infinite Crisis. Emerald Empress was killed by the Anti-Moderator as she searched for Varalent, because she held some of the knowledge needed to defeat him. Space Ranger was killed by the Red Bee (an LMB traitor and mastermind behind the “Good, the Dark and the Dead Saga”) after he launched a massive villain attack on Legion World (titled “Villains United”).
In my mind, its really a turning point in the history of the LMB on Legion World. Two falls ago, when I first came to LW, I arrived at a time where certain posters registered within one week of one another: Space Ranger, Emerald Empress, Royal Inquisitor, Kara and myself. All four are alt IDs for those that don’t know. The funny thing is, all of this happened without any of the posters contacting one another, and ironically, the real poster of Kara contacted me and told me he’d probably have her die in the Crisis, but then most not have gotten access to his computer and never got the chance. So there was going to be a forth casualty. Also, Royal Inquisitor has officially turned good and now is in love with Quislet, Esq., which marks a major change of his character. In my mind, certain things that happened during that fall of two years ago marked the beginning of a new era for the LMB on Legion World, and its funny that all of those new characters (and me) were effected this time around, two years later when another change has happened.
Faraway Lad didn’t die during Infinite Crisis, though he came close a few times.
There haven’t been many other recent LMBers to die, although it depends on your view of recent. I’ll answer some more questions and give a complete list, as well as some key LMB allies.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
On ‘Reign of the Dark Lard’ and the Final LMB Story
It’s funny you guys brought all this up, because its something I was thinking about as I wrote the above list. I’ve come to think of “Reign of the Dark Lard” as *thee* final LMB story in the sense that the LMB afterwards will not be the LMB before. However, I also think there *will* be an LMB after, and it would be an LMB that shows hope and promise after a period of sadness and desperation. However, the effects of ‘Reign’ would be deep and would create major change for a variety of characters. The LMB would not be the same again, so really, there could be future LMB stories, but they really wouldn’t be absolutely necessary. The LMB’s story could have its ending there, with the knowledge that it would live on.
What I mean is that essentially Spider-Man could have ended with Amazing Spider-Man #33 back in 1967 and the series would have had a finite ending in the sense that the character had moved so far. However, it of course didn’t and we’ve moved on quite a bit from there. But it really could have reached its conclusion to a very dramatic progression in terms of character. That’s what ‘Reign’ will do to the LMB.
Of course, being a fan of serialized story-telling, I know in my heart that I’d still want to see (and probably write) a post-Reign LMB story.
I’m extremely interested in what the bullet points would be for ‘Reign’. Some months (years?) back, I had begun to imagine Cobalt Kid at that point and created in my mind a set story for him (and Space Tart) in the future, and what would happen to their characters. Needless to say, ‘Reign’ might actually the be-all/end-all of Cobalt Kid and complete his journey. What would become of him after? Would he be there after? I have an idea.
And no worries Lardy, there’s plenty of time to tell it . And, as I’ve offered, I’m always willing to help in some way, without stealing your thunder!
I also like the progression of Lucien Lad and Lash Lad and I can perhaps see the two of them moving on towards the path they take to get to where they are by the end of the multiverse sometime during and/or right after ‘Reign’. The very nature of the two characters power (on the assumption that Lash still has the retcon powers, or if the Lash/TMT connection still exists—we’ll have to see ) could lead them to be instrumental in the story of ‘Reign’, or on a different note, very instrumental in the ‘aftermath of Reign’.
Maybe a list of immortal LMBers is in order? Posted by Gay-lipso on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Now, I have a question for you though: to be honest, I kind of got burnt out on LMB Infinite Crisis and couldn't quite keep up with the end. I'm going to reread the whole thing eventually and sort it out, but you can help me regarding Gay-Lipso. Did Lucien Lad and Gay-Lipso (Earth-4 Glamour Puss) remain two people in one essence? Did Lucien Lad keep the Gay-Lipso powers? From your post, I can see we're already sorting out exactly how to define them.
Actually, you're guess is as good as mine at this point. I was away for a couple of days right in the middle of the Crisis and missed most of the end of it so something else might have happened, but... My intention was that Lucien Lad and Glamour Puss (both in their Gay-lipso indentities) would work together but that they woulnd't actually merge. Then at the end of Crisis Glamour Puss would probably be returned to Earth 4, but with the possibility of a return. Since we already know that Lucien Lad is prone to going evil it sems a little pointless to have another evil alternate version of him runnign around, although the idea of their being one Lucien Lad who is good but prone to evil and one who is evil but prone to doing good, is quite funny. The Gay-lipso powers would be lost though (at least for the time being) because Lucien Lad actually had the Earth 4 black diamond and Glamour Puss had the Earth 1 black diamond and once the dimensional rift was healed the diamonds wouldn't work (unless a later story calls for them to). Thus Lucien Lad is the only version of him left on Earth 1 and while he does have a black diamond that could potentially turn him into Gay-lipso again it doesn't actually work at the moment because it's in the wrong universe. Possibly I need to write some kind of coda to Crisis to that effect, but that's what the plan was. Like I say though I might have missed a different development later on in Crisis though.
Posted by Gay-lipso on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Faraway Lad didn't die during Infinite Crisis, though he came close a few times.
But he did die in an earlier story. he got better though (how's that for summing up an entire story arc? )
Posted by Faraway Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Faraway Lad didn't die during Infinite Crisis, though he came close a few times.
But he did die in an earlier story. he got better though (how's that for summing up an entire story arc? )
Brilliant
Now do a summary of Legion issues 1 to 11 in the same way Posted by Bevis on :
Kids rock. But they also argue. Then it all goes a bit fubar.
Posted by Spellbinder on :
I think that, realistically, any LMBP stories taking place in the future would have to be regarded as probable (but not definite) futures. Who knows what paths our characters might take between now and then? Heck, since year one I've lost my Sani-Fresh powers, become a woman, had babies, had babies retconned out of existence, become twins and gained an array of psionic powers Posted by Bevis on :
tch, yeah, like that hasn't happened to *everyone*. Well, the retconned babies anyway.
Oooh, speaking of which, here's another question for Cobie (just because I don't like to think of him being bored at home with nothing to do), which LMBPers have actually had children and what happened to said offspring? and have any of them actually managed to get away without being retconned out of existence?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Gay-lipso: Oooh oooh oooh, two new questions.
And secondly the LMBp has had a fair few 'celebrity' guest stars over the years (Cher, Elvis, Catherine the Great, Frankie Muniz etc) but who are the most important ones, and were any of them *actually* the real celebs (I'm pretty sure Cher was but I'm not sure about any of the others).
I’ll do the second one first, and see if I can fit the other one in during work throughout the day
The list of celebrities that have helped the LMB is actually pretty long, so I’ll only include the most important. Before I do, I’ll say that there were a plethora of celebrities appearing in “Hot Summer Nights” and even “Doom of the Super-Heroes”, more than I’m going to list below. Some would even be snuck in (most famously was Lardy sneaking in one without anyone noticing). Here’s where we stand:
Catherine the Great – Catherine the Great (and her horse) is actually a full-on recurring LMB villainess that battles them from time to time. She first appears in Year Three (in continuity) and had some fights there, and appeared sparingly since. This stems from the Emessage Board, where you could post under any username without giving an email or password—which caused these types of names to appear repeatedly. Catherine the Great began to appear repeatedly, most often used by Lardy (of course) and almost developed an LMB type persona (horse jokes of course ensued). I added her to my LMB continuity timeline to present a new foe for the era where Seahorse and Stu were leaders, since there was so many new members and so little tag stories, and it fit nicely into the era of the Emessage forum.
Dr. Albert Hoffman – Dr. Hoffman is a real life scientist from the 1930’s, who is most famous for accidentally creating LSD. I found this out in LMB Year Three and created the character as my alt ID for the Phineas Board during that era, which was subsequently one of the ones deleted by the moderator when Lash and I famously went on a rampage. Upon coming to Legion World, I created an origin story for The Pious One and Dark Conan (my other alts) to explain where Cobalt had been throughout the years of his comings and goings, and in doing so, combined the characters of Dr. Albert Hoffman and the Pious One. Thus, Dr. Hoffman is Cobalt Kid’s arch-nemesis, and is responsible for his many disappearances and leaving the LMB, physically mentally torturing Cobalt Kid, ensuring that Cobalt Kid will never live to raise his own children and that most would be demons, robots and future world conquerors, and causing a rift between him and Space Tart. Dr. Hoffman is currently believed to be dead following my own Onevision “The Tale of Dr. Albert Hoffman”.
Elvis/others – many other celebrities were used in “Return of Dev-Em”, and then the Ongoing Tag Story, and then many times since, and almost always they turned out to be none other than Madrox the Multiple Durlan. During the opening parts of “Return of Dev-Em” things got really confusing right away, so I came up with the idea to write it all off as being a bunch of Durlans—but even better, one Durlan who could clone himself, thus creating a villain that could fight the entire LMB. Madrox the Multiple Durlan subsequently appeared in almost every tag story since, usually for a post or two before some kills him off, which makes it even funnier, since he can keep coming back because its easy to write it off as a clone dying. Abin particularly has found this amusing and you can see Everyday Girls’ response in the latest Halloween tag thread regarding Madrox. Madrox also serves to explain away random celebrity appearances that don’t stick for whatever reason.
Frankie Muniz – As I mentioned, many celebrities appeared in ‘Hot Summer Nights’, but one celebrity in particular has made it into LMB lore. He first appeared in Hot Summer Nights, not only as a guest-star but a full-blown LMBer! For a few panels he helped out in a mission, but then he ended up dying, making the ultimate sacrifice (killed by Lucifer Lass and the One Called the One). Normally these things would have been forgotten, but this was not so: Frankie’s statue was shown being seen erected in “Doom of the Super-Heroes” under the name “Explosion Reversal Lad”, which was then given to him as a moniker. Thus, Frankie was an LMBer who died in battle. Now, we’ve decided that all LMBers that are not actually alts but story creations are designated the title ‘Honorary LMBers’ to make sure they are differentiated from actual posters and alts, so that is how he’ll be remembered. His origin and first meeting with the LMB have yet to be revealed, as well as if this was the true Frankie Muniz of one thousand years before.
Gary Coleman – Another LMBer introduced in ‘Hot Summer Nights’ was actually Gary Coleman, and like Frankie, was not only a guest star, but an actual member! Like I said above, this now makes him an ‘Honorary Member’ of the LMB. However, like Frankie, he two was killed in “Hot Summer Nights” by the One Called the One and Lucifer Lass (or at least by things caused by them), and most assuredly has his own statue. He never has received a codename as of yet. Ten points for someone to name him as long as it’s funny!
Cher – One character that’s a bit more fleshed out, despite only a few posts, is Cher. Cher first appeared in “The Day Legion World Stood Still” (Spring 2004) and was revealed to be the actually Cher we know today in our own time. She also exhibited the powers of teleportation, low level spell casting, and wielding a soul sword. Basically, Cher is like Magik of Marvel New Mutants fame, only its Cher who wields the power. She hasn’t appeared since, but its established she’s an ally of the LMB (not an Honorary LMBer).
Dollyputo – I spoke about Dollyputo on page two, but needless to say, she’s the combined personalities of Lucien Lad, Lash Lad and Dolly Parton, in computer form that can materialize as a hologram. She’s the LMB’s computer, and thus an LMB ally (not Honorary Member). First appearance in “Return of Dev-Em” (Fall 2003), and subsequent appearances here and there, most prominently in “The Day Legion World Stood Still”.
Roger Moore, Samantha Fox and Dolly the Sheep – All members of LMB lore, introduced in Numf-El’s Onevision-like story in the “Ongoing Tag Thread”, who met Numf and Harbinger as they traveled through Scotland. After this adventure, LMB Adventures Magazine hired them all as part of their staff, which stems from Abin enjoying these characters so much, he added them to his interludes which involved Eddie Tor, Trixie, etc.
Am I missing more? I feel like I am, but I don’t have time to read through the timeline.
The following note was inserted by Abin, Just becaue he CAN!
(Yep, you forgot Dusty Baker, who was an integral part of the "Stupid Friggen Giant Ants" story and the immortal JSMBP Story in the Ongoing Thread)
[ November 10, 2005, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Abin Quank ]
Posted by Abin Quank on :
Hmmm... I feel like I should contribute something to this discussion but for the life of me I can't come up with anything that you guy haven't already said.
Well, there is one thing. In looking at that top ten list (which is really a top 15 or 20 list) I guess I'm not real comfortable with the fact that I have three personna's (counting Pagan Lass) on that list. So I suppose that's the basic reason Space Ranger had to die.
But, Now that he's dead I really miss using him to needle a few posters around here. And Gary wouldn't let me close the ID, so maybe...
But it would have to be done exactly right...
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: Actually, you're guess is as good as mine at this point. I was away for a couple of days right in the middle of the Crisis and missed most of the end of it so something else might have happened, but... My intention was that Lucien Lad and Glamour Puss (both in their Gay-lipso indentities) would work together but that they woulnd't actually merge. Then at the end of Crisis Glamour Puss would probably be returned to Earth 4, but with the possibility of a return. Since we already know that Lucien Lad is prone to going evil it sems a little pointless to have another evil alternate version of him runnign around, although the idea of their being one Lucien Lad who is good but prone to evil and one who is evil but prone to doing good, is quite funny. The Gay-lipso powers would be lost though (at least for the time being) because Lucien Lad actually had the Earth 4 black diamond and Glamour Puss had the Earth 1 black diamond and once the dimensional rift was healed the diamonds wouldn't work (unless a later story calls for them to). Thus Lucien Lad is the only version of him left on Earth 1 and while he does have a black diamond that could potentially turn him into Gay-lipso again it doesn't actually work at the moment because it's in the wrong universe. Possibly I need to write some kind of coda to Crisis to that effect, but that's what the plan was. Like I say though I might have missed a different development later on in Crisis though.
I like that, especially the part about the Earth-4 evil Lucien Lad having a tendency to do good. And it closes the story but leaves things wide open. Cool!
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: Hmmm... I feel like I should contribute something to this discussion but for the life of me I can't come up with anything that you guy haven't already said.
Well, there is one thing. In looking at that top ten list (which is really a top 15 or 20 list) I guess I'm not real comfortable with the fact that I have three personna's (counting Pagan Lass) on that list. So I suppose that's the basic reason Space Ranger had to die.
But, Now that he's dead I really miss using him to needle a few posters around here. And Gary wouldn't let me close the ID, so maybe...
But it would have to be done exactly right...
I miss Space Ranger too--probably in my top five favorite LMB personnas ever. You always knew it was him
Its' funny how you really didn't mean for it to be that way too...Abin got the Green Lantern ring whether you were willing to have it or not
And jeez, you guy are tough to keep up with! (you know I love it)
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Update
One other bunch of real life people (kinda). Lisp Lass in "Doom of the Super-Heroes" raised the undead cast of the Facts of Life as her underlings. It's fitting this isn't on the official list though, as they were undead and not the real thing Posted by Abin Quank on :
Cobie check the new ending to your Guest Stars post!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
How could I forget Dusty!
Dusty Baker is another Honorary Member of the LMB, and an Honorary Member of the JSMBP! He first appeared in 'The Ongoing Tag Thread', and as an intergral part of the Great Cogaaad Saga and Rody’s trip backwards in time.
Another one:
Time Boy – Listed on the first page of this thread, there is also Time Boy, a young H. G. Wells. The real life author actually discovered how to travel through time and became a heroic time traveler throughout his youth. This actually started on a one-off post by me in “The Ongoing Tag Team Thread”, followed by a post by Abin killing off H.G. Wells by Lucifer Lass dropping a bed on him! Funny enough, this was an older H.G. Wells, and I liked the idea of Wells at the end of his career killed by Lucifer Lass, but only after a length 60+ career of time-traveling adventures. Thus, I had it so that when he was younger, HG Wells helped an older version of the LMB (our current year) under the moniker Time Boy, unaware he would one day be killed by their side in their past!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Don't forget Esther Rolle, revealed to be an alternate version of me!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Now that the clone theory is in question, she might even be our Earth's version!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: Oooh oooh oooh, two new questions.
First is, Ok we've had the list of the most powerful LMBPers, how about the list of the most powerful LMBP villains (either including LMBPers gone bad or not as the case may be).
OK, this one I can kind of bang out really quick, and won’t give it the depth the other list had.
Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you’re worried I’m bored
Tie for #1: Anti-Moderator – Hands down has to be the most powerful (although tied!), and has shown time and time again why. Basically the LMB’s Anti-Moderator is the Anti-Monitor with the personality of a certain loathed moderator on the internet who I won’t mention by name. In the LMB’s past he’s done the following:
a) caused the deaths of at least six LMBers in the first ever “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, which destroyed the L* Board at the close of Year Two.
b) Destroyed the entire universe we knew as “The Remarkable Worlds of Phineas B. Fuddle” and a plethora of Alt IDs that lived there in Year Three.
c) Almost destroyed the LMB itself and the hero community at large during “LMB Lost” in the anti-matter universe, with his evil royal army, the Naturals. By far, this was the LMB at its lowest ever in its history.
d) Murdered the Emerald Empress and started the LMB: Infinite Crisis which led to one more of the greatest and worst LMB epics, including numerous deaths, injuries and scars on the LMB.
Essentially, he’s our biggest and greatest foe. So much so, that we really should not use him again, since he’s become our ‘go to guy’ for the most awful and powerful enemy in the most cosmic of crisis. Not to say these four Crisis have not been great, because they’re all favorites of mine, even the two I was not a part of. But he’s by far the strongest.
We also know he still must live, if our ‘Five Years Later’ continuity exists—since Lardy wrote out his final end! That’s a discussion for another day though…but like Lucy said in the MMB, there’s a big loophole for him to be alive.
Tie for #1: Ekron - Well, that is to say, tied for the strongest. In “Crisis on Earth-4!” EDE came up with the idea for a villain that surprisingly no one has really ever thought of before: Ekron himself! The ramifications were huge! A villain who exists outside the multiverse…so strong that his body parts and clothing were scattered throughout space/time/multiverse to ensure he could not be put back together. In the end of that story it took the cosmic team-up of the LMB and the SMB, as well as careful mystic planning by the Phantom Stranger to create a plan that could possibly stop him. IMO, a great, great villain for one of my all-time favorite stories, and another villain I’d prefer never used again. When I picture him, I picture the cover to Crisis #12, with all the LMB and SMB fighting a gigantic Ekron, who towers over the universe and the Earths.
2) The Time Mouse Trapper – well, technically if it’s a tie for #1 we should go right to #3, but screw that.
The Time Mouse Trapper, of course, must be #2, given the very nature of his powers and existence, which is still debated by Legion fandom today. Well, at least his DCU counterpart, but the TMT is essentially the Time Trapper with a mouse body. While Lucien Lad slowly reveals the true nature of the Time Mouse Trapper, its apparent that he is much, much more powerful than most things that cross the LMB’s path, and he’s proven that time and time again. He’s battled the LMB countless times, before his most recent downfall in “The Ongoing Tag Thread” in the mini-story “The Great Cogaaad Saga”, where it was revealed that he is the alternate version of Lash that kept the Retcon powers (which Bevis will reveal if true or false). Before that though, he was responsible for rebooting the universe which led to a different timeline that introduced Princess Crujectra and Furball, and then most famously was behind the terrible attack of Year Three which resulted in Crujectra and Stu’s children being undone in continuity, as well as Amber & Beagz, Cobalt & Spacey and Cobalt’s child with the deceased Debauchery Damsel. This last battle ensured that all future battles with the TMT are much more personnel and full of hate on both sides (which is why the LMB left him abandoned alone and powerless at the end of time at the close of the “Great Cogaaad Saga”).
3) Pornis – It’s very hard to tell if Pornis is more powerful than the One Called the One or the other way around, which is the very nature of their struggle for mastery over the universe (similar to Mordru vs. Glorith in TMK). But Pornis is a villain with far-reaching powers, an innumerable army and one that has yet to ever be captured or defeated outright. His true plans for the world (once conquered) have never fully been revealed, as is the exact nature to his connection to Lardy, EDE and Lucifer Lass, although we all now believe they’re the children of Pornis an the One Called the One. If anything, “Hot Summer Nights”, “Doom of the Super-Heroes”, “The Omega Man Gambit” and “Super Jailhouse of Space” reveal that Pornis has enough power to battle all of the LMB—and win.
4) The One Called the One – like Pornis, her true power remains immeasurable, vague and mysterious, but its evident that she is extremely powerful. The war with Pornis and her own intentions for the world continue to be revealed to us slowly, all the while her power remains equally mysterious, as does her hold over Lucifer Lass and a plethora of other females willing to help her achieve her goals. Once again, one thing is evident above all else: she has enough power to battle all of the LMB—and win.
5) Entropy Spinach – The Entropy Spinach in and of itself is almost impossible to defeat and what it truly is remains, a common theme here, a mystery. We do know that it is entropy in some form and may have sentience, and that alone is a scary thought.
Hm, as I go through this, it becomes harder to decide where others fit in. Let me stop listing them by number at this point and give you the five next most powerful villains in LMB lore. You’ll notice some might be left out that never really had their personalities/powers explained in depth (i.e. Biegeseid)—that’s because of precisely that.
Whordru Potentially as strong as the LSH Mordru, albeit a female with a beard. As previously mentioned a few times in this thread, Whordru is finally getting the LMB treatment in Lardy’s current Onevision.
The Trumpeter – Virtually Earth-4’s Lex Luthor, the Trumpeter is powerful in the sense that we have no idea who or what is under his control at this point, and just exactly what he can do. Seen in “Crisis on Earth-4!”
Phineas B. Fuddle – Able to induce mass hallucinations and hysteria upon Legion World and turn Stu and the LMB against one another, it takes an immense amount of power that Phineas B. Fuddle must be able to harness.
Elagabolus – Still just a young boy, we know (as authors) that one day he will be the reason the LMB disbands in the first place. He is a nexus for chaotic magical energy that is used for death, decay and destruction, and is a force that arrives in the universe every few thousand years. Immeasurably strong, he is the LMB’s greatest failure, and is still only a 14 year old boy alone and afraid of himself. Seen in “Price of Security”.
The Devourer of Children – A being even the LMB Magic-Users all fear—even when united together. This creature enjoys eating and enjoying the essence of small children, particularly those with strange powers. He too is hard to gage in power, only that he exists in magical realms so strong most LMBers cannot comprehend them. Seen in “Price of Security” and “The Eight Impossible Space-Missions”.
Evilseid and the armies of Botoxalips – The first time Legion World ever stood on the brink of invasion, it was the masterful plot of Evilseid that almost brought it there, as his various warriors infiltrated and captured the LMB, including Ms. Grundy, the Quietly Twins and a host of others that almost brought the LMB to its knees.
The Red Bee – At first you might not think the Bee fits this high up on the list, but as of this point his powers still remain vague. We know he is undetectable through any means, including science and magic, but more importantly, his body uses some type of horrendous pain-inducing fluid that renders most people unable to move. By no means on par with Time Mouse Trapper, Ekron, etc., but possibly more powerful than we suspect. Last seen in ‘Villains United’ and ‘The Good, the Dark & the Dead Saga’ before that.
Lucifer Lass - She can find you anywhere she wants and drop a bed on your head instantly. She has underlings her do her bidding, and she has her own agenda that even the One Called the One and Pornis are unaware of. Is she evil? Does she have good intentions? We still don’t know…all we know is that she can take on masses of LMBers if she wants.
Salad-Tosser Lord – One of the LMB’s oldest enemies (the oldest continuity wise, if not created wise), Salad Tosser Lord isn’t the strongest of LMB villains, but he’s certainly able to hold the entire LMB at bay throughout its history.
Well, you can see that I added a bunch that might not make the top ten most powerful—but to be honest, we have a host of foes that are super-strong a la the Anti-Monitor and the Time Trapper, since, well, there’s like forty of us at all times. But I wanted to give credit to some other villains that have held off the entire LMB. Feel free to add others. I left a bunch off, but as you can see, I lied when I said I wouldn’t add any for being dastardly.
You can see that for almost all of them, there is still a large mystery and ambiguity to who they are what they can actually do, which is probably why we consider most of them so strong.
Posted by Bevis on :
Heh heh, Lucifer Lass has one of the best powers ever.
I think with the villains that the Living Retcon also needs to be mentioned. OK so he's Floyd now (I forget the Living Retcon II's name but I don't think she has her powers any more either since Lash possibly has them) but when he did have his powers he was one of the most powerful villains ever.
I should also mention that Glamour Puss probably *shouldn't* be on that list (OK so he's not already, but you know, if he were...). Even though he had the Gay-lipso powers recently I don't think he has the nostalgia powers. He certainly has never displayed them but I think if he has them and is too like Lucien Lad in terms of his power then it means he's actually less interesting. Him having Glam Force powers (he can certainly manipulate reality to soem extent in the same way as Lucien Lad, but can't actually recreate reality, if you see what i mean) but being a complete psychopathic villain is much more fun than him being a hyper-powerful villain. I think he works better as the kind of villain who normally has to work with others than one who can work on his own.
By the way on my way home from work I had a thought about the nostalgia powers that mean that Lucien Lad could be even more powerful in at least one situation. See, the Living Retcon powers recreate reality so that things have always been the way that they are after the changes have been made. They affect all of time and reality. The nostalgia powers affect *now* and going forward. Lucien Lad can change the present so that it's like it was before but he doesn't actually change the past so that things didn't happen (whether that means he could bring someone back to life I'm not sure. I think that might be taking the powers a step too far). Anyway, with the Living Retcon powers people generally don't seem to remember things have changed, or at least they forget quickly if things aren't changed back. With Lucien Lad's nostalgia powers they do remember what it was like before because he hasn't actually altered the past. The point being though... is Lucien Lad affected by the Living Retcon powers? I'm pretty sure in the past he's known that a retcon has taken place and has reverted himself. So could he do that to everyone? If there is a retcon and Lucien remembers the past can he fix it with his own powers? OK so he'd need complete control of what he's doing adn chances are things wouldn't be exactly the same as before (because of his whole slightly distorted world view as discussed before) but could he do it? In fact could he be the ultimate retcon defence system?
Posted by Bevis on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you're worried I'm bored
*ahem*
Cobie, in your opinion who are the worst villains, the most datardly villains and the villains that most hurt the LMBP?
Oh come one, if it wasn't me it was going to be the very next person to post...
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I’ll get to all the big questions shortly and I think I’m going to answer a question of my own that I recently was wondering: what is the entire, exact list of dead LMBers? It’s more than you think…
LMBers who have made the Ultimate Sacrifice
Year One Food Maker Kid – Dweezil died in the middle of battle by catching on fire, rolling down a hill and then being eaten by a Super Moby Dick of Space. However, his spirit was kept alive and reborn in the body of Donna Troy, and the two beings merged with the Spectre to become the LMBP Spectre! Of course this only happened after Jar Jar Binks and Parallax were also driven out to become Jar Jarallax.
He was actually the first ever retconned in character to LMB lore, and was done so in the very first tag team thread, in a scene where one of the LMB stumbled upon “the statue of a fallen LMBer…FoodMaker Kid!”. After that, the above mentioned death (which I created—the person who created him has been forgotten, though I think it was one of the early year one posters who stopped posting soon after) was established, as well as the idea that he was a mentor to Beagle Boy (who, before having speed, had super-cooking powers). Later, during the Early Year One Road trips, the connection between him, Donna Troy and the Spectre came about on Titans World (see the Yahoo Group for the full details) in almost a surreal way—no one could have ever planned.
Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal – Another early LMB ally, this Honorary LMBer fought with them on a variety of missions before dying in battle early on. His sister, Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II carries on in his name and is also an Honorary LMBer.
KGSR, of course, is another retcon, only done so four years later in “Doom of the Super-Heroes”. The character was so well liked by the then prominent LMB authors (Lardy, Lash, Kippers and Eryk) that KGSR II gained a following among them and others.
Dazzle Lass The one true love of LardLad, she finally became an LMBer after fending off Whordru, only to be killed in secret by Mordra the Harlot, the first LMB traitor. It would be weeks before she was ever recovered, and it would bring only more pain.
Tsarin Kid – The major death of Year One is Tsarin Kid, whose death pretty much puts a close on Year One and starts Year Two (a very vague transition). Tsarin, of course, is Mystery Lad and is still with us today. During this era, he became fed up with DC’s Legion and treatment of Jan and left the boards for a bit, asking his character be retired and deceased. He later returned as Mystery Lad and rejoined the LMB shenanigans.
However, its become part of LMB lore that Founding LMBer Tsarin Lad died at the end of Year One, only to somehow come back as Mystery Lad (in a strangely different way) in Year Two. For the next three years he was an LMB ally until the move to Legion World where he finally rejoined the team. This is the major early death.
Year Two Globe Girl – Previously stated in this thread, Globe Girl’s very existence was in question and her story came to an end in “The Never Ending tag Thread”. Or did it?
Almost all of the Year Two deaths take place in the first “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, which was essentially the end of the L* Board and the retiring of many alt IDs, as the LMB felt they were being kicked out of their home and sent to a new one. The Anti-Moderator was the villain. I know who they are alts of, but I won’t reveal on the off-chance that alts from five years ago still want to remain a secret
Foxy Roxy – a prominent LMBer throughout all of Year Two, Foxy Roxy met her end here in a heroic way. A later Foxy Roxy has appeared since, but we are unsure if this is the same one, a rebooted one or even Foxy Roxy II.
Lexbose – another prominent LMBer throughout Year Two.
Silicon Sandra – A member of the LMB throughout this period, she was also connected to Globe Girl, as above states.
Super Lad Kid – Lesser known member and lurker Super Lad Kid made the ultimate sacrifice here and wasn’t seen again for three whole years! But he was somehow rebooted and is the Super Lad Kid we know today.
Legion of Super-Holograms – Not necessarily members of the LMB, the LoSH were part of the inspiration to rebirth the LMB at the close of Year Two. They were: G. Stallion (hologram of Raging Bull), Piccard’s Sexy Grandson (hologram of Seahorse) and Brad Pitt’s Sexier Brother (hologram of Lost in Lust Lad aka Terrence).
Year Three There are no LMB deaths in Year Three that I can think of. Prove me wrong!
Year Four Cobalt Kid – For a long time, it was believed Cobalt Kid was among the deceased (not just a mission—a whole year). He was actually captured for a long time by Dr. Albert Hoffman, revealed in “The Tale of Dr. Albert Hoffman” and “The Tale of Cobalt and Spacey”.
Explosion Reversal Lad – Frankie Muniz became an LMBer in a yet unrevealed story, and was with them throughout “Hot Summer Nights” battling the One Called the One and Lucifer Lass. Sadly, he was killed during this epic struggle.
Gary Coleman – Gary Coleman too made the ultimate sacrifice battling Lucifer Lass and the One Called the One.
Bowels Bursting Boy – In the ‘Super Jailhouse of Space’ Bowels Bursting Boy, only an LMB applicant joined them and tried to help overcome Odran, Lisp Lass and others, and was able to save many of them by making the ultimate sacrifice. Following this adventure, he was made an Honorary LMBer post-posthumously.
Space Tart – As the LMB found themselves at odds with internal and external threats, Space Tart made the ultimate sacrifice to send the LMB to the anti-matter universe, although it cost her her life. This will be revealed in “Refugees” if EDE ever finishes it. She was saved, by Cobalt going back in time for her, in “Journeys and Destinies”.
Year Five Giant Squid – Also not technically an LMBer, he was a denizen of Legion World and Alt ID that believed in the LMB, and he showed true heroism in the face of danger during “The Dark Stu Saga”, although he was killed by the Royal Inquisitor.
Year Six
High Priestess Viviane – Viviane was killed for a time by the Sorceress Morgause, only to finally be resurrected by her and Abin’s daughter Opal—but only when Opal paid the ultimate price.
Opal Jannel – the daughter of High Priestess Viviane, Opal made the ultimate sacrifice, knowing that if Morgause killed her the energies released would restore her mother to life, and thus did so to bring back The High Priestess Viviane.
Numf-El – Numf has technically at the end of ‘Dragons’, although the Ghost of Numf-El is still very much an active LMBer!
KinetixZoeGreen – A former member of the LMB, KZG had been away for some time, when The Sorceress Morgause attacked her without reason and murdered her during “The Good, The Dark & The Dead”.
Year Seven The Emerald Empress – As stated earlier in this thread, heroic LMBer The Emerald Empress made the ultimate sacrifice in “Infinite Crisis” after showing us that we all have a hero inside.
Space Ranger – One of the noblest LMBers to ever serve, Space Ranger also passed away during Infinite Crisis, killed by the Red Bee, after single-handedly taking down all of the villains he’d assembled.
Other thoughts - I always thought Faraway didn’t actually die in “Good, the Dark & the Dead” but was on the very brink of death for some time, only to be saved at literally the last minute by Pov’s pint?
Am I missing others?
Other noble sacrifices in LMB Lore - Invisible Brainaic of Earth-4, murdered in ‘Crisis of Earth-4!’. Also, Loser Lad, Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad of Earth-4 are all deceased.
- Mean Old Hero, an older hero from a bygone era died in “The Legion of Message Board Super-Villains”.
- Past heroes, such as the LMB Experience and the first JSMBP met their own fates in various tales of their own.
Posted by Bevis on :
Actually I think you might be right about Far not actually dying. IIRC he was held in susepnded animation or something right on the brink of death. He was certainly believed dead by most of the LMBP though and (I think) even had a funeral.
Of course the one LMBper to actually have a burial and a grave but not be dead, or even thought dead, was Jailbait Lass who was buried alive by the Red Bee.
Posted by Lucifer Lass on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: Heh heh, Lucifer Lass has one of the best powers ever.
You got that right!
My whole family kicks ass on the power scale!
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Earth-4 reminds me of another question. I know we added to this in the "Infinite Crisis of Earth-4" story recently, but which LMBPers' Earth-4 duplicates are evil?
Posted by legionadventureman on :
Yours and Tamper Lad's, i think, and mine was hinted at somewhat obliquely...but i got the impression that perhaps Tamper Lad's doppelganger is actually a "good guy" on Earth 4?
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Evil Emperor Penguin (Rockhopper Lad) and Stalker Lad (Tamper Lad) definitely are. But we'll see what the Master (Cobie, that is) has to say about the others.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I'll have to reread the story to be sure (I usually double check all threads before adding to continuity, and haven't checked a single Infinite Crisis one yet), so I'll ask one quick question: Is Stalker [Lad] the same Stalker from the previous tag story. From talking to Tamper in a PM, I believe that's the case actually.
So, Earth-4 counterparts of LMBers that are evil (or at least bad): Glamour Puss (aka Gaylipso) - The Earth-4 Lucien Lad, who, ironically enough, has a penchant for good. Longtime foe of the SMB throughout their history, who first appeared in "Crisis on Earth-4!" and recently became Gaylipso in "Infinite Crisis".
Lard Lord - The Earth-4 LardLad, who was one of the most terrible villains on Earth-4! Like our LardLad, he started out as an ally and member of the SMB, before having a breakdown and going completely bad--and killing the Earth-4 Loser Lad and Cobalt Kid in the process (both are and will remain dead for sure). He first appeared in "Crisis on Earth-4!" as a part of the Trumpeter's united group of villains, although he was betrayed by the Earth-4 Thora, which was actually part of the Trumpeter's plan all along. The Earth-4 Thore, like our Thora, had an affair with Cobalt Kid (daughter was thus Homecoming Queen, the LMBer), but this Thora loved the Earth-4 Cobalt, and became crazed with revenge. Using the Earth-4 Invisible Brainiac, she launched a massive light attack on Lard Lord, killing both the Earth-4 LardLord and Earth-4 Invisible Brainiac.
Thora - Following the above post, I'll mention the Earth-4 Thora. The Earth-1 Thora, of course, is by no means an LMBer or a good guy, but she has not truly shown that's she's evil or even bad, like the Earth-4 Thora, who is a proven killer.
Evil Emperor Penguin - The Earth-4 Rockhopper Lad, who is Emperor of the penguins, unlike ours, who is still a prince (and will most likely one day be an Emperor). First appeared in "Infinite Crisis on Earth-4!"
Stalker Lad - The Earth-4 Tamper Lad, appearing in "Infinite Crisis on Earth-4!". If this is indeed the Stalker from previous continuity, which I believe it is, he first appeared in "Crisis on Earth-4!" as a member of the Trumpeter's squad of villains, who killed fellow villain The Super Bartender of Space. This also implies Tamper Lad is good--which may or may not be the case, since he's shown very antagonistic tendencies towards the LMB thus far.
Not sure if LAM's counts yet, since it hasn't been definite.
Also, this isn't even the Earth with the villainous dopplegangers! So there probably aren't any other evil SMBers, but we'll have to see.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you're worried I'm bored
*ahem*
Cobie, in your opinion who are the worst villains, the most datardly villains and the villains that most hurt the LMBP?
Oh come one, if it wasn't me it was going to be the very next person to post...
Will get to this Posted by Ghost of Numf-El on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
LMBers who have made the Ultimate Sacrifice
Numf-El – Numf has technically at the end of ‘Dragons’, although the Ghost of Numf-El is still very much an active LMBer!
Numfs brother , Sonnie, died in the same thread. I think he's maybe taken it personally, 'cos he hasn't posted since. Posted by Ghost of Numf-El on :
List Of Celebrities
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Roger Moore, Samantha Fox and Dolly the Sheep – All members of LMB lore, introduced in Numf-El’s Onevision-like story in the “Ongoing Tag Thread”, who met Numf and Harbinger as they traveled through Scotland. After this adventure, LMB Adventures Magazine hired them all as part of their staff, which stems from Abin enjoying these characters so much, he added them to his interludes which involved Eddie Tor, Trixie, etc.
Am I missing more? I feel like I am, but I don’t have time to read through the timeline.
Later on in the same thread, when Numf's wandering around the central American jungle he meets up with Wayne Hussey, of '80s goth band The Mission.
Also, in the Dragons Onevision, Harbi, Sonnie & Numf are in the same squad as The A-Team, fool! You ain't gettin' me on no plane!
oops, sorry.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I always thought Wayne Hussey was a character you made up!
And about Sonnie--I didn't realize he's still dead!
Posted by Greybird on :
Able to travel the width of the galaxy in the time it takes Lardy to assimilate a ham sandwich ... and yet I'm out of the top 15, below someone who pulls things out of people's asses?
Tsk tsk.
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Des, could I have a link(s) to the thread(s) that tell this Earth-4 story to save me from digging)? It sounds like something I gotta read!
Posted by Harbinger on :
Des I've just finished reading through this thread - I've been reading two pages a day - and it's great, you're a total stalwart for doing this.
One query - I was a daxamite? I suppose high gravity does explain my height
Thank you Cobie
More!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Has Cobalt Kid ever been changed into living cobalt?
Posted by STU on :
What's a "numf"?
Posted by STU on :
Is Fat Cramer* a cat?
*The LW persona, not the poster, or the cat. If that makes sense.
[ November 14, 2005, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: STU ]
Posted by STU on :
What does the "cobalt" in "Cobalt Kid" refer to?
Posted by STU on :
Why is "LARDLAD" always capitalized? Could it actually be an acronym of some sort?
Posted by legionadventureman on :
Wasn't Richard Simmons supposed to make an appearance to single-handedly wipe out the "manboobies" in the recent LMB "Infinite Crisis"? Those guys definitely needed "downsizing"...
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by STU: Why is "LARDLAD" always capitalized? Could it actually be an acronym of some sort?
Who knows, Stationary Tits-Up man? Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD: Des, could I have a link(s) to the thread(s) that tell this Earth-4 story to save me from digging)? It sounds like something I gotta read!
Here is a breakdown of the SMB, although it might not be as up to date as the Timeline Summary, which is very up to date.
Here is where we began discussing some of the ideas which led to this story.
I suggest reading the Summary first, as that explores the story much more in depth and the ideas that Eryk and myself had for how it would end. You’ll notice some really great ideas that tie up long-standing LMB plotlines that have lasted for years, and maybe even a little something about one of the characters that most people might not get that I feel is very fitting.
quote:Originally posted by Harbinger: Des I've just finished reading through this thread - I've been reading two pages a day - and it's great, you're a total stalwart for doing this.
One query - I was a daxamite? I suppose high gravity does explain my height
Thank you Cobie
More!
B, you’re powers have never really been defined, and this stems from some initial confusion of the LMB authors on what they were (I think mainly Abin and myself). Since you had the Supergirl avatar for the longest time back in the day, we both just assumed you had Supergirl/Andromeda type powers, and were essentially a Daxamite/Kryptonian.
As the years have gone on, and you’ve changed avatars (I love your Nightwind one, BTW), your powers have kind of changed too—but they’ve never been clearly defined what they are. Basically, an LMBer could be in multiple stories for years without ever actually using their powers, given how we write them
So, in effect, we don’t know what they are! We did used to think they were like that, since most writers around here generally look to the avatar for clues to the powers if we don’t know already.
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Has Cobalt Kid ever been changed into living cobalt?
Shockingly, this has never happened! But I know that one day it will have to and fully expect it to happen soon!
quote:Originally posted by STU: What's a "numf"?
I have no idea!
quote:Originally posted by STU: Is Fat Cramer* a cat?
*The LW persona, not the poster, or the cat. If that makes sense.
It makes sense . For those who don’t realize what STU means, Fat Cramer is the name of FC’s cat in real life and how she got her username.
Fat Cramer, in LMB continuity, I’ve always thought was a cat/feline, and was *thee* premier member of the feline community on Legion World. I’ve always pictured her to look like her avatar, and wrote her that way in “Price of Security”.
In recent months, Cru has drawn some great pictures of FC, and other have made subsequent micros and pics based on those designs to show her more human-like, kind of like Tigra or Catspaw.
This leads me to believe that she is indeed a cat/feline, but is able to grow into a human-like form like Tigra/Catspaw if she so desires, so she can interact with the humans better.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by STU: What does the "cobalt" in "Cobalt Kid" refer to?
I first came up with the name “Cobalt Kid” in Fall 1999, when I first went on the boards. Basically, I never had internet access before college, only when using my friends computers, which was more centered on chatting with my friends than surfing the web. I found the DC Boards and started to lurk there, and wanted to sign up and create a name for myself. I knew I wanted it to be a Silver Age-esque name, and I always thought “Kid” sounded much cooler than “Lad”, which itself was cooler than “Boy”.
I had Chemistry that first semester in college and as I was doing my homework one night, I saw a little blurb about how the element cobalt was used to battle cancer and could rid the cancerous cells from the body.
I thought about it for a bit and liked how cobalt was a weapon for a doctor in doing something very heroic—which kind of backed up the notion that there are truly heroes in our world, super or not, like fireman, doctors (well, some ), etc. Since “Cobalt Kid” had a certain ring to it, it kind of fit, and “Cobalt” came to stand for (in my mind) the notion that a super-hero would be ridding the world of the cancerous elements in society.
So even before the LMB I thought of myself as a super-hero
quote:Originally posted by STU: Why is "LARDLAD" always capitalized? Could it actually be an acronym of some sort?
I’m not so sure, and I usually don’t capitalize it myself (hell, I usually just say ‘Lardy’, just like that). Possibly because of his immense power, and because he’s the ‘father of the LMB’, Lardy’s full moniker, like MLLASH or STU, has an emphasis on it.
Anyone got any good acronyms for it?
STU, your powers are not acronymic in a way now too, correct, kinda like in the sense that Captain Marvel’s our by saying SHAZAM?
quote:Originally posted by legionadventureman: Wasn't Richard Simmons supposed to make an appearance to single-handedly wipe out the "manboobies" in the recent LMB "Infinite Crisis"? Those guys definitely needed "downsizing"...
Richard Simmons, along with some other one-off people, showed up in Infinite Crisis during the battle with the Anti-Moderator to battle the Anti-Moderater’s goon-squad (aka the Manboobies). I’ll have to reread for the real story
quote:Originally posted by Greybird: Able to travel the width of the galaxy in the time it takes Lardy to assimilate a ham sandwich ... and yet I'm out of the top 15, below someone who pulls things out of people's asses?
Tsk tsk.
You make a great case, Grey! Like I said, its by no means official, and you know I have great respect for Grey Birdboy’s powers, as “Journeys and Destinies” and your major part in it shows very clearly!
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Bevis:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you're worried I'm bored
*ahem*
Cobie, in your opinion who are the worst villains, the most datardly villains and the villains that most hurt the LMBP?
Oh come one, if it wasn't me it was going to be the very next person to post...
Will get to this
Still will get to this! Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Cobalt is, according to Metamorpho the Element Man, "tougher then steel"!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Cobalt is, according to Metamorpho the Element Man, "tougher then steel"!
I can kick every heroes ass that was ever named Steel!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Especially that wussy grandson of Commander Steel from the Detroit era Justice League!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Especially that wussy grandson of Commander Steel from the Detroit era Justice League!
He (and Vibe) would have easily fallen before my might, and then Gypsy and I would have had a boot knockin' good time!
Posted by STU on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Cobalt is ... "tougher then steel"!
"That's what she said!" Posted by STU on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I’m not so sure, and I usually don’t capitalize it myself (hell, I usually just say ‘Lardy’, just like that). Possibly because of his immense power, and because he’s the ‘father of the LMB’, Lardy’s full moniker, like MLLASH or STU, has an emphasis on it.
Anyone got any good acronyms for it?
STU, your powers are not acronymic in a way now too, correct, kinda like in the sense that Captain Marvel’s our by saying SHAZAM?
Not "STU" itself, but saying "STUDOG," "STUCAT," "STUCHIAELEPHANT," etc. triggers the change to the various animal personae... see here.
[ November 17, 2005, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: STU ]
Posted by LARDLAD on :
LARDLAD has really only ever been capitalized when used as my posting I.D. I've never capitalized it within a story or tag thread. I think that once or twice other posters may have written about him using all caps, but only on a couple occasions.
Interestingly, though, I did use to write the name as one word "Lardlad" until fairly recently. Now, I consider the correct way to refer to the character to be as "Lard Lad". But I will stick with tradition as far as the posting I.D. is concerned. I will always post as LARDLAD!
But just for fun.......
Lusting After Reams of Drinks, Ladies And Dinner
Will that work?
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Des, you said re: Crisis on Earth-4...
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: You’ll notice some really great ideas that tie up long-standing LMB plotlines that have lasted for years, and maybe even a little something about one of the characters that most people might not get that I feel is very fitting.
...having read the summary, I'm wondering precisely which "little something" you were referring to?
---the significance of the nelly cap?
---Umber's continued obliviousness?
---that bit about Lardy in the epilogue?
---something else?
In any case, this was a superb story you guys whipped up! Having browsed the original tag thread you linked, I assume it never ended in tag form?
Also, it seems Earth-1 Lardy played a small part in the story. Does it take place before before he lost his powers and left the LMB for over a year? Or after he returns?
Hmmm...I might have to tell Earth-4 Lardy's full story some day! Posted by Ghost of Numf-El on :
quote:Originally posted by LARDLAD: But just for fun.......
Lusting After Reams of Drinks, Ladies And Dinner
Will that work?
F'n'A, Lardy, F'n' A!
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Posted by Vee on :
Wow! Just finished reading this latest historical/archieval thread from our resident chronicler extraordinaire (that would be Cobie )
1) I never really thought of myself as one of the Top 10 most powerful LMBPers but I see Cobie has given my variable powers more thought than I have. Based on what you wrote there CK, I think you and I could really combine forces for some truly impressive feats.
2) I also need to figure out how I'm going to meld the power that is the Emerald Eye of Ekron into my repertoir. (Fear not, I have no interest in playing out the Emrald Vi storyline! )
3) If it were not already established that Lasher would somedat become the Time Trapper Mouse, I could easily conceive of a story that would show Varalent in that role. After all, he has been developing some sort of time control powers recently. Add the Emerald Eye to that and who knows what might happen. Posted by Vee on :
It's gratifying & humbling to know that I will forever be remembered by Cobie and others for my post (rather short post, I might add) concerning the the Emerald Dildo of Ekron & the Golden Dildo of Taltar and Star 69.
It was fun to write and still makes me smile knowing that you all enjoy it so much. Posted by Bevis on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: 3) If it were not already established that Lasher would somedat become the Time Trapper Mouse, I could easily conceive of a story that would show Varalent in that role. After all, he has been developing some sort of time control powers recently. Add the Emerald Eye to that and who knows what might happen.
Ah, well, see Vee, that's the thing. It's been strongly implied, and in my Lucien Lad origin it's certainly true that a *version* of Lash becomes TTMT *but* that story also deals a lot with alternate worlds and all that gubbins and I'm pretty sure that while it's been implied that Lash will one day become TTMT I'm also pretty sure that there have been hints that that might not actually be true. It sort of depends on whether Lash still has the Living Retcon powers or not.
See, I like the idea that while we have one main suspect to become TTMT we also have other suspects and we never really find out for certain. TTMT could be Lash, it could almost as easily be Lucien Lad (he has sort of time altering powers anyway, so who knows), it could be Glamour Puss (as in the Earth 4 Lucien Lad. That's never been hinted at but it just occured to me...), it could be yourself. The different possibilities make the whole thing much more fun to my mind.
Posted by Reboot on :
Look, let's be pragmatic here... is there anyone the TMT could NOT be? Posted by Abin Quank on :
Well, I don't think Everyday Girl could be the TMT.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
I have a question about how things happen in continuity.
How do characters "join" the LMB? Are there try-outs as in the Legion of yore? Do they just show up and say "I wanna be a part of your groovy group?" Are they recruited?
I'm working on a OneVision with RhL's origin story and I have an idea about his joining, but I want to make sure it jibes with what has gone before.
Thanks! RhL
Posted by Bevis on :
Obviously Cobie is the man to answer this for certain, but I;m pretty sure most of the time people have joined just by saying they want to join. There have been sort of recruiting drives (I guess the road trips might count in that respect) but I don't think there have ever been official try outs or anything, unless of course they were part of a tag team or a One vision or something like that. Heh, it'd be quite funny to read about the try outs though and see, considering who *is* in the LMBP, who got rejected (apart from Lester).
Posted by High Priestess Viviane on :
Cobie, do you still do this?
Let's see if I can stump you.
How many personas have I been and what major parts did they play at Legion World?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Hm...I count three unanswered questions. If I have a minute during work later, I'll get to them...
Posted by Spellbinder on :
I have a question for you, Cobie dear, but perhaps it's best asked... privately Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad: I have a question about how things happen in continuity.
How do characters "join" the LMB? Are there try-outs as in the Legion of yore? Do they just show up and say "I wanna be a part of your groovy group?" Are they recruited?
I'm working on a OneVision with RhL's origin story and I have an idea about his joining, but I want to make sure it jibes with what has gone before.
Thanks! RhL
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: Obviously Cobie is the man to answer this for certain, but I;m pretty sure most of the time people have joined just by saying they want to join. There have been sort of recruiting drives (I guess the road trips might count in that respect) but I don't think there have ever been official try outs or anything, unless of course they were part of a tag team or a One vision or something like that. Heh, it'd be quite funny to read about the try outs though and see, considering who *is* in the LMBP, who got rejected (apart from Lester).
Rockhopper, Bevis is about right. For the most part, its always been a ‘here I am, I’m joining up!’. Usually, something then is reinserted months later into continuity where they became a member. When I wrote the History of the LMB, I often had specific stories show when certain members joined.
One major retcon from back in the day was that the first ten or so members after the initial founders were said to have all been recruited during one large recruitment drive, which included Dev-Em, Looks that Kill Lad, Sketch Lad and a bunch of others.
Another more official recruitment drive (though not ‘try outs’) would be the Road Trips from Year One, which recruited Bevis, Space Tart, Midnight Son and Mighty Fanboy Lad as LMBers (all posters, not made up characters – at least kind of for Spacey).
Then there’s the idea that when the LMB came to Legion World, the already existing ‘Hero Community’ (aka other non-LMB posters), who the LMB had known for months (if not years for some) all joined right there and then to create a much larger community—and that entire story is basically covered in the LMB’s year four (see the history).
However, for the most part, each LMBer has their own origin story which is usually unique to themselves. I’m sure almost every super-hero origin at some point or another has been referenced by an LMBer, or will one day.
Looking forward to yours!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Pizzazz: Cobie, do you still do this?
Let's see if I can stump you.
How many personas have I been and what major parts did they play at Legion World?
Ah, this will be difficult
I’m more apt to rely on your help for this Viv, but I’ll see what I can do! (I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned people trying to stump me…)
1. Kinetiz Zoe Green – your first ID, which joined during the Vee/Quis term and quicklky became a prominent member. I specifically remember you interacting during the “Alt ID Rebellion” a bit with IB and myself. It should be noted that much later, after KZG was retired, that she was killed by Morgause.
2. RavenArcanna – which was your Titans personality during Titans month (by now you had become quite prominent on the MMB), which also was when you first starting exploring the Priestess aspects to a personality.
3. High Priestess Viviane – which in a sense is your ‘main’ personality, which you return to the most (and IMO the one most people identify you with). With Viv, you introduced the Holy Isle of Avalon to LW, became a security officer, and we also met your extended family: Morgause, Igraine and Morgaine.
During this time, among various other relationships, Viv, while under the spell of her goddess, became impregnated with Abin Quank’s baby, who was born Opal Janell. Viv also was romantically linked to Loser Lad, and he was drawn into the Viviane/Morgause War, in ‘Darblieds, Realm of the Dark’ and the ‘Forgotten Forest’ (I know that one is probably off, but you should be proud at how well I’m remembering ).
4. Divine Opal Janell – When Loser Lad was seduced by Morgause, this led to her being able to kill Viviane, but not before her priestess powers were transferred to Opal, who grew to an elder age while Avalon was away in another realm. Opal killed/banished Morgause and assumed Viviane’s place in the LMB, Avalon and the Security Office.
5. High Priestess Viviane – however, the war was not over, and Morgause returned, with much of the LMB drawn into the mix (myself, Future, Outdoor Miner, Lou, Abin, Matlock). In the end, however, it was Opal who now sacrificed herself to stop Morgause and bring back Viviane, and thus restore order. Thus, Divine Opal Janell passed on, and Viviane returned. All of this stemmed from a primal force that Viviane now had to fight back, so she took her family with her, and stripped Legion World of Avalon, leaving it for a time. In the meantime, the Avalon Liaison Office became means of communication for the Avalonians, and this was run by Pizzazz, mistress of Light (and her alies). 6. Pizzazz – Pizzazz became the central identity for a time, and I remember this time being marked by great change on Legion World (and in the LMB), and Pizzazz actually became Eryk Davis Ester’s second in command in his Triumvirate Army while she remained on this plain.
7. Rainmaker – see below
8. Grand High Witch Eva Ernst – see below
9. High Priestess Viviane – after a few more names changes that were brief, High Priestess Viviane returned as your moniker and in continuity, along with the Holy Isle of Avalon and Viv’s extended family. This was how things stayed for a long while, with side stories here and there, and then a very slow period of posting on the MMB, until finally [in the Spring of 2005] things began to pick up again. The Security Office received a new building (re: new thread) and you and I announced that not only were we mutually enamored with one another, we were going to get married.
10. Dark Priestess Viviane – this of course kicked off the eventful and much beloved “the Good, the Dark and the Dead Saga”, as Viviane apparently became evil and dark and was waging war on the LMB and Legion World. For a time, the LMB battled her (re: Viv and Cobie’s wedding didn’t work out), with the Holy Isle of Avalon now being the War Isle of Avalon. It appeared Morgause was actually on our side, but by the end of the whole saga it was revealed that this was a ruse by Morgause, and you (Viviane) were actually still a strong LMB ally and friend. It was during this time that KZG was killed. High Priestess Viviane rejoined the LMB, but an air of mistrust and guilt surrounded her, and she left for awhile, so in her place was…
11. Darcy – who was not a member of the LMB, but an enemy that was trying to create a school of magic that was a centerpoint for controlling the universe, although she and her sister were stopped by High Priestess Viviane who returned to make amends for ‘GD&D’ (with help from Igraine and Morgraine).
12. Luna – however, High Priestess Viviane did not rejoin the LMB or Office of Security, and once more exited Legion World with the Holy Isle of Avalon and her family. This time, the Weird Sisters, led by Luna (re: your ID) arrived, and were around for a time. This was your ID up until you last left (sometime around Infinite Crisis).
13. And NOW – High Priestess Viviane returned recently and resumed her role as an LMBer and Security Office (by this time she had long ago become Lead Officer of Magical Crimes Division), although she once more left quickly (perhaps to gather her affairs in order) and welcomed her old ally and former LMBer Pizzazz to take up her role here.
So basically, there are five LMBers that you’ve had with the main IDs (KZG, Viviane, Opal, Pizzazz and Luna), although Viviane is the lead one. Pizzazz has her own history with the team and KZG and Opal are deceased, while Luna remains largely a mystery.
I know, I’m good Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Bevis:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you're worried I'm bored
*ahem*
Cobie, in your opinion who are the worst villains, the most datardly villains and the villains that most hurt the LMBP?
Oh come one, if it wasn't me it was going to be the very next person to post...
Will get to this
OK, I still will get to this!
This will probably be one of the more opinionated answers (I gotta work some time!)
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Rockhopper, Bevis is about right. For the most part, its always been a ‘here I am, I’m joining up!’. Usually, something then is reinserted months later into continuity where they became a member. When I wrote the History of the LMB, I often had specific stories show when certain members joined.
One major retcon from back in the day was that the first ten or so members after the initial founders were said to have all been recruited during one large recruitment drive, which included Dev-Em, Looks that Kill Lad, Sketch Lad and a bunch of others.
Another more official recruitment drive (though not ‘try outs’) would be the Road Trips from Year One, which recruited Bevis, Space Tart, Midnight Son and Mighty Fanboy Lad as LMBers (all posters, not made up characters – at least kind of for Spacey).
Then there’s the idea that when the LMB came to Legion World, the already existing ‘Hero Community’ (aka other non-LMB posters), who the LMB had known for months (if not years for some) all joined right there and then to create a much larger community—and that entire story is basically covered in the LMB’s year four (see the history).
However, for the most part, each LMBer has their own origin story which is usually unique to themselves. I’m sure almost every super-hero origin at some point or another has been referenced by an LMBer, or will one day.
I did just make an adjustment to it. Since we've established that Tamper Lad didn't officially "join" till sometime in the one-year gap, I've changed the reference to him to Stealth (which is more accurate anyway).
[ March 20, 2006, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Rockhopper Lad ]
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Someday I'll learn the difference between "edit" and "quote".
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
THE VILLAINS
That’s a tough call. We all have our favorites, and mine are definitely not the same as other people’s lists. So, as usual, I’ll brave the fact that I will most likely slight some poster for not mentioning their creation as one of my villains and give you my list of the most dastardly, most hurtful and the worst!
Remember, this isn’t the most powerful, and its not an index of LMB villains! There’s tons I’m not mentioning, but I can only post for so long before I have to go back to work! I know every single LMB villain, so if you feel I left someone out…you’re just not asking the right question
Those that hurt the LMB the Most Disclaimer: This is broken down in 2 ways, which is important. There are those that hurt the ENTIRE LMB the worst, and those that hurt individual LMBers the worst. The ones that hurt individual LMBers usually were creations by a specific poster for a storyline or Onevision involving that poster. While often very potent, and in that story possibly defiling or hurting the entire LMB, I would call these more ‘Nemesis’ villains. I have my own, Dr. Albert Hoffman, who tortured Cobalt Kid on and off for three years, practically leading him on the path his life has taken and magically cursing him so that he never gets to raise his own children. Others include Sorceress Morgause and Mordra the Harlot, who actually both hurt the LMB a lot, but are more the Nemesis of High Priestess Viviane and LardLad respectively. The other kind are more villains of all the LMB as a whole that hurt them the most:
The Time Mouse Trapper – the oldest of all the most dastardly of the LMB’s villains, the TMT has hurt them countless times and tons countless things. But in Year Three, it became much more personal, when he specifically oversaw the creation and then erasure of the LMB’s own children. Princess Crujectra & Stu, Beagle Boy & Amber, Cobalt Kid & Space Tart and Cobalt Kid and Debauchery Damsel’s children were all subjected to sad ends b/c of the TMT and thus left all of the LMB, especially the rest who saw their friends in such pain, with a full-on hatred. This is why the LMB abandoned the TMT, powerless, at the end of time when they last fought him.
The Red Bee – The Red Bee (mainly b/c he was an actual poster and not a fictional creation) actually betrayed the LMB in one of their most major stories, and then killed Space Ranger, a beloved LMBer in another. He’s the only true real villain that posts on Legion World these days IMO.
The Anti-Moderator – who, of course, must be considered the worst. The LMB have watched him almost destroy the universe at the end of Year Two and be responsible for the deaths of Foxy Roxy, Lexbose, Silicon Sandra, the Legion of Super Holograms and others, then in Year Three destroy the Remarkable Worlds of Phineas B. Fuddle. Even worse, in Year Four he put them through the horrible experience of LMB Lost, and then recently, the death of the Emerald Empress and LMB: Infinite Crisis assures that he is the worst foe the LMB have. I also, personally, don’t expect to see him again (which will IMO keep him as forever the worst foe—can’t go to the well one too many times).
The Most Dastardly What does this mean? Why is it different than hurt them the most? Hell if I know!
Pornis – whose goal is to enslave all of the world, and has come close plenty of times. The Pornis wars of the Year Four tag threads are some of the best to read, and he reads like a Mordru for the LMB. He also comes across as just…one of the most dastardly of them all!
The One Called the One – who is the arch-nemesis of Pornis. She has at times seemed more humane and more sympathetic in my eyes, but we can’t forget that she’s the original LMB villain that wanted to cut off all men’s penises across the galaxy. Trend-setter for sure!
The Trumpeter – I get a kick out of this villain. Originally created by EDE in “Crisis on Earth-4!” as a cross b/t the Fiddler and a joke in Harbinger’s sig, the Trumpeter ended up being *the* Lex Luthor of LMB lore IMO. A brilliant plan that killed Lardy and IB of Earth-4 and nearly ended all that there was. And apparently, he’s just a super-genius…but it took all of the LMB and the SMB to stop him.
The most Misunderstood Well, there are a couple (hell, all of ‘em). But these stick out as not the most misunderstood, although still dastardly and hurtful enough to a part of this post
Lucifer Lass – killer. Agent of the One Called the One. One of the scariest and biggest build-ups of an LMB villain ever. And recently…a potential LMB ally? Or at least someone who lives on Legion World? Certainly the classification ‘villain’ can’t be simply applied here…but she certainly is not a force of good!
The Royal Inquisitor – one of *the* originally villains of Legion World, he actually killed Giant Squid (first murder in LW posting history!) and later kicked off the Alt ID rebellion, before coming back to raise hell in ‘GD&D’. But yet…Quis says he had a rough childhood and is misunderstood. More to him that we thought? Probably. But can we forgive him? Hard to say.
Hummer Lass – I wasn’t going to include her, but I felt I had to at least. Her story is far from over, although this once longtime antagonist of the LMB has helped them on more than one occasion over the years…to the point where she’s almost an honorary member—definitely because of her love affair with LardLad. But I fear dark days are in her future…as 5 Year Later it appears she made some horrible decisions…for herself *and* the LMB.
Gay-lipso – Villain? Definitely. Evil? Weeeeell, I wouldn’t go that far. Hero? Ha! Most definitely not. Recurring antagonist to the LMB for the next five years with his own agenda…yeah, that’s a safe bet! The Earth-4 Lucien Lad, who was always a villain has enough power to battle the whole LMB, and I expect we’ll see what a bit of that in the future.
Classic LMB Villains that must be mentioned Whoredru – Ultra-powerful with a hate for the LMB, she’s been fighting them since Year One. The only problem, of course, is that she’s often left forgotten, until Lardy recently restored her to full villainess potential.
Salad-Tosser Lord – Created in the very first LMB tag thread, Salad-Tosser Lord usually appears at least once every tag thread we do. At this point though, he hasn’t really been the mastermind in a long time or even given them too hard of a time, but that’s OK. As his creator (indeed, possibly my first contribution to LMB lore!) I like his history. He certainly once was one of the LMB’s toughest foes!
Phineas B. Fuddle – the true enemy behind the Dark Stu Saga, who must have planned that entire thing for two years, since it was so intricate. For five weeks it looked like the end of Legion World and the LMB as we knew it… The only reason he’s not on the ‘most dastardly’ list is because he’s appeared so little and we didn’t really get to know much about him. Still, a mention must be made for ‘the Dark Stu Saga’.
I’ve left a whole bunch off, because I’m too lazy right now to dig through old threads or count others.
Posted by Pizzazz on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Pizzazz: Cobie, do you still do this?
Let's see if I can stump you.
How many personas have I been and what major parts did they play at Legion World?
Ah, this will be difficult
I’m more apt to rely on your help for this Viv, but I’ll see what I can do! (I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned people trying to stump me…)
1. Kinetiz Zoe Green – your first ID, which joined during the Vee/Quis term and quicklky became a prominent member. I specifically remember you interacting during the “Alt ID Rebellion” a bit with IB and myself. It should be noted that much later, after KZG was retired, that she was killed by Morgause.
2. RavenArcanna – which was your Titans personality during Titans month (by now you had become quite prominent on the MMB), which also was when you first starting exploring the Priestess aspects to a personality.
3. High Priestess Viviane – which in a sense is your ‘main’ personality, which you return to the most (and IMO the one most people identify you with). With Viv, you introduced the Holy Isle of Avalon to LW, became a security officer, and we also met your extended family: Morgause, Igraine and Morgaine.
During this time, among various other relationships, Viv, while under the spell of her goddess, became impregnated with Abin Quank’s baby, who was born Opal Janell. Viv also was romantically linked to Loser Lad, and he was drawn into the Viviane/Morgause War, in ‘Darblieds, Realm of the Dark’ and the ‘Forgotten Forest’ (I know that one is probably off, but you should be proud at how well I’m remembering ).
4. Divine Opal Janell – When Loser Lad was seduced by Morgause, this led to her being able to kill Viviane, but not before her priestess powers were transferred to Opal, who grew to an elder age while Avalon was away in another realm. Opal killed/banished Morgause and assumed Viviane’s place in the LMB, Avalon and the Security Office.
5. High Priestess Viviane – however, the war was not over, and Morgause returned, with much of the LMB drawn into the mix (myself, Future, Outdoor Miner, Lou, Abin, Matlock). In the end, however, it was Opal who now sacrificed herself to stop Morgause and bring back Viviane, and thus restore order. Thus, Divine Opal Janell passed on, and Viviane returned. All of this stemmed from a primal force that Viviane now had to fight back, so she took her family with her, and stripped Legion World of Avalon, leaving it for a time. In the meantime, the Avalon Liaison Office became means of communication for the Avalonians, and this was run by Pizzazz, mistress of Light (and her alies). 6. Pizzazz – Pizzazz became the central identity for a time, and I remember this time being marked by great change on Legion World (and in the LMB), and Pizzazz actually became Eryk Davis Ester’s second in command in his Triumvirate Army while she remained on this plain.
7. Rainmaker – see below
8. Grand High Witch Eva Ernst – see below
9. High Priestess Viviane – after a few more names changes that were brief, High Priestess Viviane returned as your moniker and in continuity, along with the Holy Isle of Avalon and Viv’s extended family. This was how things stayed for a long while, with side stories here and there, and then a very slow period of posting on the MMB, until finally [in the Spring of 2005] things began to pick up again. The Security Office received a new building (re: new thread) and you and I announced that not only were we mutually enamored with one another, we were going to get married.
10. Dark Priestess Viviane – this of course kicked off the eventful and much beloved “the Good, the Dark and the Dead Saga”, as Viviane apparently became evil and dark and was waging war on the LMB and Legion World. For a time, the LMB battled her (re: Viv and Cobie’s wedding didn’t work out), with the Holy Isle of Avalon now being the War Isle of Avalon. It appeared Morgause was actually on our side, but by the end of the whole saga it was revealed that this was a ruse by Morgause, and you (Viviane) were actually still a strong LMB ally and friend. It was during this time that KZG was killed. High Priestess Viviane rejoined the LMB, but an air of mistrust and guilt surrounded her, and she left for awhile, so in her place was…
11. Darcy – who was not a member of the LMB, but an enemy that was trying to create a school of magic that was a centerpoint for controlling the universe, although she and her sister were stopped by High Priestess Viviane who returned to make amends for ‘GD&D’ (with help from Igraine and Morgraine).
12. Luna – however, High Priestess Viviane did not rejoin the LMB or Office of Security, and once more exited Legion World with the Holy Isle of Avalon and her family. This time, the Weird Sisters, led by Luna (re: your ID) arrived, and were around for a time. This was your ID up until you last left (sometime around Infinite Crisis).
13. And NOW – High Priestess Viviane returned recently and resumed her role as an LMBer and Security Office (by this time she had long ago become Lead Officer of Magical Crimes Division), although she once more left quickly (perhaps to gather her affairs in order) and welcomed her old ally and former LMBer Pizzazz to take up her role here.
So basically, there are five LMBers that you’ve had with the main IDs (KZG, Viviane, Opal, Pizzazz and Luna), although Viviane is the lead one. Pizzazz has her own history with the team and KZG and Opal are deceased, while Luna remains largely a mystery.
I know, I’m good
I believe this deserves a damn.
I am currentlt writing a short story to explain all my changes, hopefully very short!
Rainmaker and Grand High Witch Eva Ernst lasted a total of 48 minutes, combined.
Also, I think that once I'm done with my fic, I will stick to one persona, but my problem is I like Luna and Viv equally and cannot choose...
GOOD JOB, I COMMEND YOU!
Posted by Pizzazz on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [QB]THE VILLAINS
That’s a tough call. We all have our favorites, and mine are definitely not the same as other people’s lists. So, as usual, I’ll brave the fact that I will most likely slight some poster for not mentioning their creation as one of my villains and give you my list of the most dastardly, most hurtful and the worst!
Remember, this isn’t the most powerful, and its not an index of LMB villains! There’s tons I’m not mentioning, but I can only post for so long before I have to go back to work! I know every single LMB villain, so if you feel I left someone out…you’re just not asking the right question
Those that hurt the LMB the Most Disclaimer: This is broken down in 2 ways, which is important. There are those that hurt the ENTIRE LMB the worst, and those that hurt individual LMBers the worst. The ones that hurt individual LMBers usually were creations by a specific poster for a storyline or Onevision involving that poster. While often very potent, and in that story possibly defiling or hurting the entire LMB, I would call these more ‘Nemesis’ villains. I have my own, Dr. Albert Hoffman, who tortured Cobalt Kid on and off for three years, practically leading him on the path his life has taken and magically cursing him so that he never gets to raise his own children. Others include Sorceress Morgause and Mordra the Harlot, who actually both hurt the LMB a lot, but are more the Nemesis of High Priestess Viviane and LardLad respectively. The other kind are more villains of all the LMB as a whole that hurt them the most: QB]
This may sound weird, but I think I like it when Cobie talks about me.
Posted by Ghost of Numf El on :
Cobester - Just wondering - what's your favourite quote? I figured that whilst researching the history you must have re-read a line or two that filled you with emotion - whether it be anger, joy, laughter, foreboding, warmth, humility, or whatever.
Would you care to share any that especially stuck with you, please. (And you can put them in context if you want to.)
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Ghost of Numf El: Cobester - Just wondering - what's your favourite quote? I figured that whilst researching the history you must have re-read a line or two that filled you with emotion - whether it be anger, joy, laughter, foreboding, warmth, humility, or whatever.
Would you care to share any that especially stuck with you, please. (And you can put them in context if you want to.)
Great question Numf! I’ve actually been giving this one some thought, since I’m much more apt to forget quotes. There have been some great ones over the years though. I tend to put quotes into all of my own stories, although most might not realize that I rip off 2,000 years of fiction most of the time (my entire history of the triumvirate blatantly steals from Herodotus, Plutarch, etc.).
Some good ones:
"Harbi goes bananas” – not a quote, but one from you [Numf-El] referring to the Harbinger sex film in your first onevision (within the Ongoing tag thread). When I reread that recently I literally laughed out loud.
“Oh no! The girls are revolting!” – by Pov, when Thora announced her invasion on Legion World. Lash actually had this as his sig for awhile, which made it even funnier.
“Hey guys! It’s me Lardy! I dressed in drag undercover here on Taltar for the last few months, and since there’s plenty of bearded chicks with dicks, no one even noticed!” – I think that one speaks for itself (the quote might be slightly off).
In any tag thread there’s usually a couple of quotes by Eryk Davis Ester that crack me up, especially ones like “Holy Harbi, we’ve got to…” or “LAM’s sake folks, we need…” But the funniest one is when he had Martian Manhunter say “By the red sands of mars!” For some reason that made me laugh pretty hard.
And Abin has a great quote that I probably shouldn’t repeat, since it came about pre-Rules, during the second ‘All new, not-so-different LMB Tag Thread’ about Giant Robotic Lesbian bursting into the Hootchie Hut to kill Cobalt Kid after he got her drunk and laid. Its so funny, angry and dirty that I’m laughing now about it. I’ll have to find it…(Its like on the top of page four or something).
Hm. There’s hundreds more. The tag threads are full of them…
Posted by LARDLAD on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: “Hey guys! It’s me Lardy! I dressed in drag undercover here on Taltar for the last few months, and since there’s plenty of bearded chicks with dicks, no one even noticed!” – I think that one speaks for itself (the quote might be slightly off).
*heh* Can't believe I made the short list! Hell, 'chicks with dicks' jokes never get old!
Posted by Ghost of Numf El on :
Thanks Cobie.
I'm going to have to go searching for that Abin quote now ......
(top of page 3 - and yes, it does have a certain je ne c'est pas about it)
[ March 29, 2006, 03:19 AM: Message edited by: Ghost of Numf El ]
Posted by Bevis on :
One of my favourite quotes is the one that's still in my sig. It was actually a sig from Space Ranger before his untimely demise and it just amused em so much that I nicked it for myself. Posted by legionadventureman on :
Where's Queen Connie these days? I like her - a lot!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
She is currently on her home planet, tending to affairs of state, where she enjoys the admiration of her entire planet (a planet of cats of course). She shall be returning shortly, I'm sure!
Posted by Stealth on :
Cobie, what's the difference between regular fanfics and Onevision fanfics?
The reason I ask is because if and when I decide to do spin-offs from Imperial Guard: The Series, I'm not sure whether I should start labeling them all Onevision.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Stealth,
A Onevision generally means a fanfic thread where the readers kindly hold off on all comments until the thread is complete, so there is no back and forth talking that might break up the narrative. A more general fanfiction would have comments from readers throughout (usually).
That being said, this 'rule' is largely ignored if not unknown by most people, to where there really is no difference b/t a Onevision and fanfic thread anymore.
A little history on 'Onevisions': When the LMB first began in Spring 2000 (with myself, Lash, Spellbinder and some others), we posted as a group on a variety of topics in a variety of ways. Oddly enough, our discussions not only were about the Legion, but about ourselves as sort of psuedo-super heroes that were a bit bumbling, but lovable and heroic. This really exploded in the advent of Tag Team threads, which still goes on to this day in Bits (one poster continues the story from the last posters post, and eventually the thread goes into all kinds of directions). This was an LMB tradition from probably the second week or so. Being Legion fans and continuity nuts, we quickly adapted to the continuity that was created (as silly as it was) and explored some of these ideas more thoroughly
At the same time, others were posting great fanfic on the Legion and other characters. Still in its infancy, the LMB wanted to be more than just a rag-tag group of online posters, so we took a more focused direction on art during the earliest months of the LMB, and it was the first LMB LardLad that created 'Onevisions'.
His idea was that the poster would start a thread, and then post his story, but no one would comment on it until it was done. The guiding hand of one author, also allowed LMB authors to really focus on LMB-related stories and ideas and take it into a specific direciton, rather than the tag team stories, which could easily be pulled in another direction (which was part of the nature of them, despite some authors getting frustrated). Not to say that Onevisions are purely for LMB fanfic, since the earliest ones were all Legion centered (i.e. Chameleon, Garth & Imra, etc.) and later ones took in all different characters (Marvel Universe, etc.)
As the years have gone on, the Onevision moniker has come and gone in regards to the title of threads, often used by the earliest members of the LMB who remember it. Upon the creation of Legion World (Summer 2003), a resurgence of these was seen, by older posters like myself, and newer posters (newer at the time) like Numf-El. However, the rule of waiting until the story is over has really been forgotten.
So, basically, its your call if you want to use it, and I can wholeheartedly tell you go right ahead if you want, or hold off if you're not feeling it! It might make some posters wait until the story is over before they post (or they might just post in the Critics Corner thread) or it might draw in some posters to read your stuff who normally are too flustered by the sheer amount of reading material in this forum and don't know wehre to start.
(After a long post, I realize I've given no clear answer, but I try )
Posted by Stealth on :
Quite the contrary, it's a very clear answer, and the details are a great help. Thanks, Cobie.
Up until now, I had assumed that "Onevision" was a term to indicate that the fanfic took place in the author's own little universe.
People are welcome to post feedback anytime during my fanfics. Including right now, while Imperial Guard: The Series is on hiatus until later this month. The first story arc ended a couple weeks ago, and I still haven't heard opinions on the ending.
I'm thinking that what I might do instead of labeling it Onevision is designate a particular Marvel Earth for it. I'll come up with a number, and then check marvunapp.com later to see if that number has been used yet.
[ April 03, 2006, 06:27 AM: Message edited by: Stealth ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
So, Cobester, what's the status of Bevruck Jespers and Antequated Forms of Communication Lass after the Ggrgg/Psyonia War?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I actually have a great idea for a Bevruck Jespers, AFC Lass and Cobalt Kid story involving Ggrrgg that I'm dying to write in a Onevision someday.
Following the defeat of Ggrrgg by Cobalt Kid's triumvirate army and the Jectra Twins, the Ggrrggian warlords resumed their centuries old '3 Way War' with their neighboring planets, Kerissia (home of Princess Tarina) and Thynthia (home of the Mind Flayers). This three way war has been at a stalemate for almost a century, but thousands of lives are lost every year. Oh, and I usually end up changing the names and spellings of the two planets at war with Ggrrgg because I can never remember them.
Like Cobalt Kid, Antequated Forms of Communication Lass does not visit Ggrrgg often, although she is not an enemy of the state like Cobalt is. However, she is very anti-war in a planet that is renowned for its warlike culture. Little known fact: at the tender age of 14, ATF Lass was the girl who took Cobalt's virginity!
Bevruck Jespers, beloved movie star, is on much better terms with Ggrrgg and occassionally visits Weber's World (diplomatic center of the universe now that Earth has ceded from the UP) to promote universal peace. He often will state that he wishes there'd be peace in the region housing Ggrrgg, Kerissia and Thynthia, but he has never once declared that he wishes for anything less than a Ggrrggian victory in the centuries old war. Thus, ever the clever movie star charmer, he maintains both a politically correct stance in the UP at large, but also a symbol of a true Ggrrggian among his native people.
As for Cobalt Kid's stance with Ggrrgg, he remains an enemy of the state to be executed on sight and his father has legally disassociated himself with Cobalt. Cobalt Kid's primus pilus (second in command), Scipio Taltarus has informed Ggrrgg that should they ever enter Psyonia space again, the Triumvirate army of Cobalt Kid will attack them.
Both Spellbinder and Cobalt Kid, on the outs with their home planets (having forsaken their native planets out of loyalty to one another and the LMB) enjoyed a long vacation during the missing year following LMB Infinite Crisis, and the tabloids have been full of rumors that the two are much more serious than ever previously thought.
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Who are the Retros and what is their place in LMBP history?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by SharkLad: Who are the Retros and what is their place in LMBP history?
A great question Sharky, as the Retros have a very interesting history!
The Retros are a team of LMB villains created by Shark Lad in the ‘5 Years Later’ tag team story in the early part of the LMB’s first year (May 2000), which makes them older tan 98% of the rest of Legion World. They consist of: Beatnik Belly Dancer Boy, Hippie Hula Girl, Freaky Flapper Chick, the Mod Man, and Leave it to Beaver Larry.
Their first appearance being in the 5YL continuity thus makes their story slightly confusing and thus more interesting. So, I will give the real history version first:
In May 2000, as I’m sure you’ve all heard me say time and time again, the LMB had what is generally considered one of their best tag team stories, ‘Five Years Later’, which is naturally a take-off on the TMK Legion. In it, we actually have the very first appearance of the Retros—but even more, of Shark Lad also! We learn the Retros are a team of villains that have been enemies of the LMB throughout their history (and are co-villains in the story). Thus, we first see them in the future although we have yet to see them in the regular continuity.
As the LMB moved forward, Shark Lad appeared in continuity, and eventually, the Retros resurfaced in the various tag team threads, being mentioned here and there and showing up for group shots, two-post battles, etc. Their origin story and first appearance were never actually mentioned however (since most posters were often confused by the fact that they first appeared in a future continuity), so when I wrote the LMB timeline, I retroactively established their first two appearances, as seen here and here.
As most LMB concepts and villains went, there was a lull throughout year three tag team wise and year four consisted of mainly new enemies and concepts (b/c of new posters) so they were not seen for some time. It was during Year Five, when older posters such as myself, Shark Lad, Dev-Em and Bevis returned to posting (Bevis didn’t really return, but he had been less active) that the Retros returned in ‘The Return of Dev-Em’ storyline. They continue to show up here and there to this day, and I have scattered appearances of them retroactively throughout the timeline.
Thus, the Retros are Sharky’s creation in the very thread that he introduced himself to the LMB, and have been a mainstay villain ever since!
[ May 18, 2006, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Cobalt Kid ]
Posted by The Royal Inquisitor on :
Bah! You wordy sonuvagun! This won't stump you but will give you time to think:
Just who are all the various women that have been in your and what offices have you held in the LMB? Throughout all its history?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Roy, could you make it any more complicated?
Fine, I'll give you a brief breakdown, although it will take me a few posts and probably a few days:
‘The many loves, duties and struggles of Cobalt Kid’
Before the LMB Cobalt Kid, born Desmonius Primus Julianus was born on the planet Ggrrgg, which is renowned in the galaxy as a war-based society that believes it should be actively conquering its neighbors which allows it to seek glory. Ggrrgg was at the time a part of the United Planets but has since had its membership revoked when it would not cease its war with its two neighboring planets Kerissia and Wykrithia (home of the Mind-Flyers), which is known as ‘The Long 3 Way War’, as it has been going on for over a century.
Born into an Equestrian family of long-standing ties to the oligarchic government, Cobalt Kid was trained in the arts of war and prepared for a long life of leading the armies and the Ggrrggian government to continued glory. In his seventh year, his father was named co-counsul for a ten year period. Cobalt Kid enrolled in the elite schools of warfare and prepared for his future life.
At age thirteen, Desmonius lost his virginity with the now famous Antiquated Forms of Communication Lass, a fact that only one other individual (his later friend Eryk Davis Ester) is aware of. This would set him on a path to loving and leaving as many women as he possibly could, which would later cause him to be infamous. The society of Ggrrgg actively encouraged this sort of behavior, especially among the higher classes, so at first this was seen as a good thing. Later, his mother began to worry as Desmonius approached this in a very different manner than usual Ggrrggian sexual debauchery, as he preferred to create and maintain some form of an emotional attachment to his partners. This led to a great deal of heartbreak with the many daughters of Ggrrgg, which led to further problems between Desmonius’ parents and their political allies. This minor notion is believed by a small few to be the reason why his many lovers over the years have looked at him so fondly.
At age sixteen a fourteen, a major change occurred, as Desmonius gained a tutor that was trained in philosophy and science. This was formerly a great man that became a slave to Desmonius’ father, and he began to change the way Desmonius thought about the world. Soon, within a short period of time, Desmonius became more inclined to adhere to such things as philosophy, virtue, science, mathematics and especially history. This is where Desmonius became aware and pleased with the term and element ‘Cobalt’. Even more, he began to see the warlike society of Ggrrgg to be distasteful and a very malicious thing on the universe. Upon speaking of this with his parents, he grew more and more apart from them. Finally, when his father ordered the execution of all the slaves of the city his mentor hailed from, simply as a show of force to quiet a rebellion, Desmonius went into a fury upon learning his mentor was executed. He confronted his father and prepared to kill him, only to be stabbed in the back by his own mother.
Details are skewed and blurry of the next two years of Desmonius’ life, but he eventually ended up at the United Planets Institute of Science and Mathematics, the widely excepted greatest scientific institute in the known universe. His love for science and mathematics allowed him to maintain acceptable grades, but he was never truly enthralled with those ideals as he was with history, philosophy and most importantly, women. Many times he was almost thrown out of the university for ‘subverting the female population’. His roommate and best friend, Todd, was widely excepted to be the greatest scientific mind in the university, and had gained the nickname ‘Tsarin’ because of his Tromium heritage. While Tsarin helped him with his grades, Desmonius helped Tsarin with his love life (which did not include women).
During an experiment with Tsarin, Desmonius accidentally was pulled into an electro-magnetic reactor that caused him to be teleported to a previously undiscovered dimension that poured the energy into him. This energy gave him immense magnetic powers that allowed him to harness the electro-magnetic spectrum in a variety of ways, based solely on his willpower. With Tsarin’s help he began to harness these powers. Though the reason why the experiment went wrong was never discovered, Desmonius later believed it to be the work of a professor at the university, Dr. Albert Hoffman, who had taken an interest in the two students. Dr. Hoffman was widely renowned for his work in the field of hallucinogenics and the creation of a LSD-laced poison for the military, before such things were banned by the Weber’s World Conventions.
It was during this period of time that the LMB formed, very quickly. Within a matter of days, LardLad, Shadowplay in Candlelight Lass and Lash Lad formed the LMB, only to be rounded out by Desmonius and Tsarin when they stopped an assassination attempt on R Engine Joe Brande. Before anyone could figure out what happened, Desmonius and Tsarin helped found the new Legion of Message Board Posters, taking on the names Cobalt Kid and Tsarin Lad respectively.
Year One of the LMB Cobalt Kid, as a founder of the LMB, quickly became influential on all the various things the LMB went through in the early years of its existence, which do not need to be listed here, as they are readily available elsewhere. At this time, the LMB was stationed on Earth. He was on most missions, involved with most tryouts and became fast friends with most LMBers. He was widely known as one of those LMBers that was friends with most of the rest of the membership, and was widely liked. Many of his early friends remained some of his best: LardLad, Lash Lad, Loser Lad, Crusader, Beagle Boy, Grey Birdboy, Rhino, Looks that Kill Lad, Dev-Em, Sketch Lad, Seahorse and slightly later Lucien Lad, Shark Lad and Faraway Lad. Cobalt was the youngest member of the early LMB by at least a year or so, and was often (and still to this day by some) seen as the collective ‘younger brother of the LMB’. Two of his best friends, LardLad and Lash Lad often encouraged and tutored Cobalt in how to have fun and exhibit wild behavior.
During these early months, his sexual debauchery and drinking and crazy ways helped endear him to the rest of the LMB. This, of course, was the early LMB, known most famously for being extremely debaucherous and out of control, before they matured and somewhat calmed down in later years. Cobalt was at the forefront for such things, and as a heterosexual male in a largely homosexual organization, gained a reputation for being a ladies man. During this time he met his first actual girlfriend, named Debauchery Damsel by the press for her own debaucherous ways. They had an ongoing relationship that did not involve commitment, which Cobalt preferred (she had no powers of course and was not a member of the LMB). One other girlfriend Cobalt had during this period was a Carggite Gymnast introduced to him by his good friend Loser Lad, who dated the girl’s sister. Cobalt and her had an on again off again fling for some time during this period, although it ended when Loser Lad ultimately broke out with a case of Carggite crabs, causing a major scare that led many Carggites to leave Earth for a time.
In addition to those two girlfriends, Cobalt was infamous for having flings with females of questionable character, which often caused them to become enemies and nemesis for the LMB later. Examples of this are Dessert Rose, who blamed one of the LMB for fathering her child (year later to be revealed to be Cobalt), the Amazing Cans, the Female Furies, and a host of others. Finally, Lard Lad publicly lamented “will Cobalt’s drinking and whoring ever NOT come back to bite on us on the ass?”. Unfortunately, it would, and thrice fold, as not soon after Lash Lad introduced him to his third girlfriend of this period, Princess Kristina Aguilera, whose infamous distaste for using birth control gave her the moniker (courtesy of the early notoriously distasteful LMB) ‘Princess No-Protection’. Being immune to all sexually transmitted diseases (as Cobalt, as a Ggrrgian is) and not being able to have children until she reached her 40th year (as all natives of her planet), she had no need for it, and her long-term open relationship with Cobalt encouraged him to feel this way too. From here on in, he would often forget to use protection. Also of note was this was the first princess of member of a royal family that Cobalt would date, but would not be the last. Both Princess No-Protection and Debauchery Damsel would be his ‘side girls’ for the next two years.
During this time in the LMB, a variety of other things happened regarding his duties in the LMB:
- The first leadership elections were held and Cobalt Kid was elected co-deputy leader, along with Shady, to LardLad’s first leader.
- In a mission to find the missing Goon Boy, Lash Lad and Cobalt Kid went on a secret espionage mission that led to him being named by the LMB as ‘Leader of the Espionage Squad for life’, which would later be used to justify his role as Chief of Security on Legion World. Cobalt would refer to this office many times throughout his terms as an LMBer.
- Cobalt Kid was approached by his father to return to Ggrrgg, only to learn that his father was attempting to trick him into coming home and being used as a weapon against Ggrrgg’s enemies in the ‘Long 3 Way War’. Cobalt refused and was promptly named an enemy of Ggrrgg and had his citizenship rejected. He then changed his legal name from Desmonius Primus Julianus to ‘Cobaltus Primus Julianus’ (as the first name among Ggrrgians is the family name). Still, many of his old friends still call him ‘Des’. Mostly, fellow LMBers call him ‘Cobie’, ‘Cobalt’, ‘CK’, or some even have special names for him (I’m looking at you Crujeckie ). Unfortunately for Cobalt, during this renewed war on Ggrrgg, his mother was killed during the battle, and he forever retained that guilt of not being there (coupled with the fact that he never spoke to her again after she stabbed him). Secretly and unknown to any other LMBer, he asked his father if he could return to help, but his father said they did not want him anymore. Cobalt remained a citizen of no location for the rest of his lifetime until the creation of Legion World.
- Cobalt began getting approached by two beings: one a barbarian Cobalt jokingly named “Dark Conan” and the other his former professor, Dr. Albert Hoffman, who Cobalt also jokingly called ‘The Pious One’. Cobalt at first was unsure of their intentions, only that it related to his origin and powers.
Space Tart During the infamous road trips that Cobalt instigated, the LMB met Fiona Orange, and she was inducted into their membership as Space Tart.
Immediately, Space Tart became the first true love of Cobalt’s life, and he for hers. She was barely 16 at the time, but the two quickly became inseparable—most notably for their intense love-making and even more intense fighting. They were the first real ‘couple’ of the LMB, and neither could not explain why the other was so important to them. The instantly were a ‘boyfriend/girlfriend’ couple, and for the first time in both their lives, treated a relationship as such. Although mainly based on sex and fun, it turned into a true loving and caring relationship.
However, both were young, attractive and full of energy, and neither had real intentions to be monogamous. In fact, Space Tart was very similar to Cobalt Kid, and they both had a variety of flings on the side. Usually, it appeared that neither truly cared, as it was the early ‘binge-drinking, free-loving LMB’. However, upon a closer examination, it was apparent that both did indeed care.
Space Tart’s effect on Cobalt’s life was so complete, that his other two ‘ladies on the side’ Debauchery Damsel and Princess No-Protection, were seen less and less.
End of Year One Year One of the LMB continued very much according to general history books. Cobalt Kid remained part of the core unit of LMBers, had a famously passionate love affair with Space Tart and continued to build his friendships, as well as the LMB in general. However, at the close of Year One, Dr. Albert Hoffman and Dark Conan made their move. As explained elsewhere, they tricked Cobalt into joining them, to capture him and learn the secrets of his trip to that unexplored dimension. In doing so, they hideously tortured him and mentally broke him down in a way that he never thought possible. For two months this continued, until he finally escaped after a brief battle, and reappeared among the LMB, already in their year two.
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Year Two Cobalt’s return in early year two (during Lash Lad’s term) was met with much joy and happiness among his friends. However a few things occurred while he was away and upon his return:
- Tsarin Lad, his oldest friend, had been killed in battle. Cobalt was devastated and felt guilty about not being there.
- Space Tart was hurt by his disappearance and he refused to talk to her about it, feeling hurt and embarrassed.
- In fact, he refused to talk to anyone, and became different—very distant from the rest of the LMB. Throughout this term and the following (Loser Lad’s), he would begin to miss missions and show up less and less.
- He continued his affairs with Debauchery Damsel and Princess No-Protection, but eventually grew weary of their company and ended the relationships. Both left Earth hurt and heart-broken.
Months go by…
- Occasionally, he would remerge as the old Cobie—the ‘drinking, womanizing stud’, and he had flings with various new members of the LMB: Foxy Roxy, Lexbose, Globe Girl, and various locals living on Earth. This often angered Space Tart.
- It was during this time that a new LMBer joined the fold: the sister of Crusader, Princess Crujectra. Her involvement with the LMB was felt immediately and she became an important part. In regards to Cobalt Kid, however, she and he did not interact much early on, because of his various bouts of depression and missing missions. They had of course heard of each other before, but had never met.
- Cobalt learns Tsarin Lad survived and lived on the form of Mystery Lad, albeit very differently. Mystery Lad did not rejoin the LMB, although Cobalt felt somewhat relieved.
- Cobalt worsened and worsened and fewer and fewer LMBers ever saw him, other than Space Tart, LardLad and Lash Lad.
- Debauchery Damsel reenters Cobalt Kid’s life and looks to rekindle the old flame. However, she has a dark secret, as Cobalt learns that she has been dealing with the Dominion in the past to make money. Cobalt agrees to help her get away from them, but they capture him. In the end, she sacrifices herself to save him, and her body is left mindless because of it. Cobalt Kid is left reeling and Space Tart is angered by this, leaving Cobalt and Spacey’s relationship further deteriorating.
- In the final weeks of Loser Lad's term, Cobalt Kid disappears entirely with no explanation given at all. Many LMBers are concerned, although many don't find this unusual, given Cobalt's sporadic appearances over the last few months. Space Tart is especially angry and sees this as the culmination of her relationship going sour with Cobalt. What actually happened, unbeknownst to the LMB, was that Cobalt was once again kidnapped by Dark Conan and the Pious One (Dr. Albert Hoffman), and would remain kidnapped for some time under heavy torture once more. This time, Cobalt remains a prisoner for months upon months until he finally breaks free. Having previously destroyed the Pious One’s body in their last battle and making him a sentient only living as a body-less entity in the Hallucinogenic dimension, Cobalt is able to trick him into entering the lifeless body of Debauchery Damsel (Hoffman believed he’d entering Cobalt’s body), and afterwards is able to capture them both. He then hands them off to the authorities, although it took him such a long time to do so that the immense toll it took on him weary.
Year Three Cobalt reemerges in the LMB’s Year Three to find a greatly changed LMB. It takes some time at first to get adjusted again, but this time he’s much quicker to get back to normal—in fact, he’s much more like his old ‘early days’ self and gets back to his ‘basics’: super-heroing, drinking and womanizing. His return comes right in the middle of a mission involving their enemy Cali Flower, and the LMB are shocked to find Cobalt has solved the case by seducing her in his old style. As the LMB continues to grow, so does Cobalt, and he becomes fast friends with LMBers Dedman, STU, Ultra Matt, Yellow Kid and Poverty Lad.
At first Space Tart refuses to talk to him and generally ignores him. Knowing her very well and how she’ll react, he does the same.
The new LMBer Homecoming Queen becomes a mystery, and Cobalt Kid and his pal Poverty Lad take it upon themselves to solve the mystery of just who she is. Its during this time that a rumored fling b/t Homecoming Queen and Cobalt occurred, but that remains rumor. At this time, the famous ‘cheerleader outfit/sheep incident occurred’.
Princess Crujectra and Cobalt Kid finally get to know each other more, although Crujectra had a then current boyfriend (STU), and had been fore-warned about Cobalt’s infamous behavior. Still, a steady flirtation arises.
During this time Cobalt Kid also meets a young woman who would become one of his best friends and favorite lovers. Jailbait Lass, Lolita to her friends, is part of a race who age only one year for every four years, starting at age sixteen. When she met Cobalt, she was sixteen (he was twenty) and he rescued her from a band of space-pirates trying to capture and enslave her and her companions. They took an immediately liking to each other and had a fling. Unforunately for her, she is not able to work in much of the UP, as she is too young, despite her mind aging faster than her body. Thus, it was Cobalt Kid who was able to find her a job. Much later, she would come to Legion World and join him, and become his personal assistant at the Security Office and all of his various jobs (working directly for him). The two have a bond most do not understand and are good friends and loyal business partners. She is usually very quiet, and does not speak to most of the LMB besides Cobalt.
Space Tart finally relents and starts talking to Cobalt again, only to find he’s really like his old self. The two become friends again and then quickly lovers. Soon, they are back to their old relationship and are a couple, but as in the old days, they are not monogamous.
One other female LMBer became an important part of Cobalt’s life at this time, although he wouldn’t really know the extent of it until much later. Umber had journeyed to Earth-1 and joined the LMB and Cobalt became friends with her. Guided by the lucklords, he never actually slept with her, although he came close to hitting on her a few times. Thankfully he did not, as it was revealed *years later* that she is actually his daughter, sent back in time. The full extent of her origin, parentage and story will be covered elsewhere. But it was at this time that Umber and Cobalt became familiar with each other.
The End of Year Three It was towards the end of Year Three that things for Cobalt changed dramatically once again. In the mission later called “The Children of the LMB”, we learn that the Time Mouse Trapper has engineered a way to get back the LMB through their children. It is here that its revealed that Cobalt had a child with Debauchery Damsel before her death that became the LMB enemy ‘The Archduke of Time’, who the LMB had fought during Cobalt’s absence. Also, to the absolute horror of Cobalt Kid and Space Tart, Spacey becomes pregnant and carries to term Ulgorth, the Demon, who wreaks hell on the universe until Spacey and Cobalt are forced to destroy him. This was a larger plot by the Time Mouse Trapper, but it is revealed that Cobalt’s arch enemy Dr. Albert Hoffman struck a deal with the Trapper that cursed Cobalt Kid horribly: he would never be able to see his children raised before his own eyes, and if they did, they would become demons, evil robots or future world conquerors. This curse would haunt Cobalt and the LMB for the rest of their existence. It also explains why Cobalt’s baby with Dessert Rose years earlier turned out to be an evil Robot, as the Time Mouse Trapper went back in time to influence it. Many also note that its not only this, but Lash Lad’s introduction to Princess No-Protection years earlier that when combined cause so much grief.
Most importantly this was so devastating to Cobalt and Spacey that they were hurt beyond belief, and truly took refuge in each other’s arms and in each other’s love. For the first time, Cobalt and Spacey put aside all the fun and debauchery and truly committed to each other and started a monogamous relationship based on mutual respect and love.
[ September 01, 2006, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: Cobalt Kid ]
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Year Four Cobalt, at peace with his horrible ordeals and feeling good about his relationship with Spacey ran for LMB leader for the first time, and to his surprise—he won! So it was at the start of Year Four that Cobalt added ‘LMB Leader’ to his growing resume of offices held by the LMB. His term was generally a successful and peaceful term.
Throughout the early months of Year Four, Cobalt and Spacey continue to enjoy a wonderful relationship. It is during this period that things become so good, that as Cobalt’s term as leader ends, he and Spacey slow down their time with the LMB and to the surprise of everyone, become engaged!
The Wedding of Cobalt Kid and Space Tart - Despite all of the possible trouble, the LMB celebrate one of the most exciting times in its history, as two of their most beloved members finally get married! Longtime LMB sweethearts Cobalt Kid and Space Tart their unity with a marriage, per Space Tart’s home tradition. All the LMBers past and present that could be reached attended the wedding, and for one brief week, all seemed right in the universe for the LMB.
All would seem right only briefly however, as the LMB became embroiled in a series of hard times. Dealt with mostly by the rest of the LMB, Cobalt still went on some missions, often quieter ones such as diplomatic ones. It was during this time that Cobalt Kid for the final time was captured by Dark Conan and Dr. Albert Hoffman, who made it look like a bombing. The LMB believed Cobalt Kid to have been killed and honored him so. Space Tart was devastated. For over a year, Cobalt would remain away. He was tortured worse than ever before, but mentally, he would not break. He waited and waited, and bided his time. Finally, when the time was right, he murdered Dark Conan and Dr. Albert Hoffman, and then completely destroyed the uninhabited hallucinogen dimension. Upon his re-emergence, all of his past caught up to him and he became in an almost insane state of mind, unable to get his bearings, traveling through space for a time. It had been over a year.
During Cobalt’s last absence, the LMB changed more than ever before: Earth split from the UP and the LMB abandoned it, LMB on the Run, LMB Lost, the creation of Legion World, major changes in the LMB roster, and most importantly to Cobalt: Space Tart made the ultimate sacrifice and died defending the LMB. Believing she’d see Cobalt once again, she died peacefully.
Year Five While the LMB became immersed in life on Legion World, it took Cobalt many months to make it there. This period in his life is best chronicled in ‘The History of the Triumvirate’. In summary: upon re-entering the galaxy, he found the world at war, and Barbarian Invasions throughout the UP. Slightly going through a period of brief insanity following his torture he began defending these invaded planets and using his magnetism to destroy whole armies. Gathering a group of followers out of nomadic warriors escaping the armies of the barbarians that had taken over their planets, he began building an army, with the help of strategic masters and excellent warriors. In his deranged state, Cobalt harkened back to his Ggrrggian heritage and schooling and used the superior Ggrrggian war tactics and strategies to win many victories. His continual victories caused more warriors to seek him out, as his name was still widely recognized (being a famous LMBer). Other armies challenged him for leadership of a loose band of misfit armies, and Cobalt would then challenge their leader and defeat them in hand to hand combat, until he had amassed a major military force. Eventually, it was two military minds, Scipio and Martyrious that helped him begin organizing a real army. The Army of Cobalt Kid became renowned for its discipline, swiftness and classical style, as well as being loyal to no planet or galaxy, only Cobalt Kid himself. Upon meeting Crusader, his old friend and fellow LMBer, Cobalt took some time to get ahold of himself and work out all the stress and guilt he felt over his torture via Crusader’s telepathy. Finally restored to normal, and aware of recent history of the LMB, Cobalt took his loyal army to Legion World. There he joined Eryk Davis Ester’s Legion World Army in a war against the Naturals, where their second in commands were traded—Cobalt Kid received Faraway Lad, and Eryk Davis Ester received Martyrious, who brought with him the fundamental notion that Eryk’s army was loyal to Eryk, not Legion World (which stuck following Marytrious noble suicide in front of the Naturals leadership). At the close of the war, Grey Birdboy brought his own army of Starhavenites and the three armies decimated the Naturals. Following this, the armies hailed there generals and named them the Legion World Triumvirate. The there then used their personal armies to protect Legion World ever since.
Cobalt Kid finally returns to the LMB, and visits Legion World for the first time. He comes home a hero to a shocked LMB who thought him dead, and is honored by the normal non-LMB citizens of Legion World as a Triumvir. Finally finding time to join his friends, he is quietly told by Lash Lad and Poverty Lad that Space Tart died in his absence. He quickly falls into a depression and removes himself from public life.
Two things finally get Cobalt to re-emerge gain: (1) Then current deputy Leader, Eryk Davis Ester, who was also his fellow Triumvir, visits Cobalt Kid many times to discuss what to do about the Triumvirate and the Barbarian Invasions on the United Planets. These talks ignite a fire in Cobalt again, and they make plans with Greybird to use the Triumvirate to win back the United Planets from the Barbarians (who were no means an allied force). This becomes the main goal of the Triumvirate for the next two years, which they eventually succeed in doing. (2) The most important however, is that Princess Crujectra, then leader of the LMB and co-founder of Legion World, comes to Cobalt with hopes that he not only will end his depression, but might serve Legion World in a way that few could. At this time in Legion World history there were a variety of malcontents on planet, and it was known as a time of great conspiracies. To help stem this, Crujectra asked Cobalt to resume his role as Espionage Squad Leader, which he still maintained and help out the populace. Knowing full well that Cobalt’s greatest occupation is that of ‘super-hero’, she told him to make it a public thing, to help calm the fears of the people.
It was then that Cobalt Kid created the Office of Security to help stem these fears (see the full history for exactly how many subversive elements there were at this time). Princess Crujectra, LMB Leader, backed him, and Nightcrawler, Legion World Founder, showed a public display of support by donating a building for him. Cobalt used his title of “Espionage Squad leader for life” in the LMB to justify his reformed title of “Chief of Security for life” in the LMB and on Legion World. Immediately, that day, Cobalt Kid and Space Ranger helped quell a rising rebellion by Thora of Taltar (more on her in a minute) and saved Super Lad Kid from an attack by Giant Robotic Lesbian. As Super Lad Kid was a student at Tarik the Mute’s subversive academy, Cobalt made him swear to return to the side of good and help bust the academy up, and Super Lad Kid agreed. The Emerald Empress, looking to prove that she too was on the side of good, joined them, and thus the new Office of Security broke up Tarik the Mute’s academy. Thus, the earliest Security Office was formed: Cobalt Kid (Chief of Security), Space Ranger (Deputy Chief of Security), Emerald Empress and Super Lad Kid.
Over the next three years, various other LMBers would join the Office of Security and become great friends with Cobalt Kid.
Cobalt Kid was immediately back in action and virtually everywhere on Legion World. The next few weeks were hectic as various ordeals occurred and the streets were cleaned up.
In keeping up with tradition, Cobalt began a numerous amount of relationships on Legion World:
The Emerald Empress, although there’s was a mutually fun affair. The Empress’ true paramour would be Space Ranger which would grow over time.
Mantis, who worked as a waitress at SHAKES, and was connected to Danny Blaine/Mattropolis (in that they could not share the same space in one reality as the other). She too had a relationship with Space Ranger.
Kara, the cousin of Icefyre, who became Cobalt Kid’s girlfriend for a period of time during this era. Shown here as a pitcher on Cobalt’s mug at SHAKES for a time.
Further, working as Chief of Security with Princess Crujectra (then current leader), Cobalt and Crujeckie found themselves both working together for the first time when neither had a monogamous relationship. A heavy flirtation resumed and passion often led to one thing. Crujectra had many suitors however (Boy with Ultra Powers and later Loser Lad upon his return) and Cobalt many girlfriends, so nothing truly serious came of it yet.
Also during this time, Jailbait Lass became aware of Cobalt Kid’s apparent return from the dead and finally journeyed to Legion World to join him. It was now that she became his administrative assistant.
One female who was not a girlfriend to Cobalt Kid, but became a good friend of his was Arachne. She eventually joined the Security Office (under STU’s recommendation) and after a long term of great duty to Legion World, Cobalt made her his personal body guard, which she still is to this day.
On the male side of things, Cobalt quickly became great friends with many Legion Worlders, who are too numerous to list. This was a time most noted by late nights at SHAKES as Legion World got to know itself.
Thora As noted above, Cobalt Kid and Space Ranger helped lead a charge against the invading Taltarans on the first night of the Security Office. It should be noted that the final negociations came down to Thora of Taltar and Cobalt Kid meeting in his office to discuss the terms. Using his charm to pour it on, Cobalt convinced Thora to leave Legion World. Feeling a mutual attraction, and being one to take what she wants, Thora made the terms more than a simple retreat and the two enjoyed a night of wild passion. Thora left soon after.
However, it was later learned that this night in question caused Thora to be pregnant (and is actually the night LMBer Umber was conceived). Thora returned to Legion World pregnant and demanded they hand over Cobalt Kid or they’d invade (and promised to raise their daughter as a man-hating female or a slave male). Once again, Lash Lad publicly lamented about introducing Cobie to Princess No-Protection so long ago. While Legion World rallied to Cobalt’s defense, Space Ranger appeared to be kidnapped, and suddenly, the LMB were on the move!
An invasion of Taltar ensued, although unknown to any participants Phineas B. Fuddle secretly drugged them all, so its hard to distinguish what truly happened. But we know this: Thora gave birth to a young girl named Umber, and Cobalt was released from being forced to live on Taltar. The Triumvirate got involved in minor skirmish and Cobalt’s general Scipio became Scipio Taltarus.
In later years, it would be revealed that Umber was sent back in time in a freak accident to Earth-4, while her counterpart Amber (Homecoming Queen) was sent to Earth-1, thus Homecoming Queen is the daughter of the Earth-4 Thora and Cobalt Kid. Umber has no clue about her parentage, despite Cobalt trying to tell her many times.
Cobalt’s relationship stayed rocky for a long time, until it became obvious that the two actual started to enjoy each other’s company, though they’d never admit it. A few playful nights of passion followed, but nothing ever came of it.
Finally, the last notable mentions during Year Five: - During the “The Dark Stu Saga”, Cobalt played a major part in defending Legion World, as did the armies of the Triumvirate. The Office of Security was subsequently set-up to depose a leader of the LMB should something similar ever happen again.
- Also during this time, Cobalt Kid made a fateful decision in a mission that may one day have major consequences. He found an opportunity to go through time and rescue Space Tart from death, which he decided to do, playing havoc on the universe. He saved her, but her mind couldn’t handle it, so he had her committed to a nunnery, and would continually check up on her. His sadness eased, but still painful, he knew that Space Tart was alive again. Unfortunately, he may have inadvertently passed on a chance to stop a great future threat to the LMB, Elagabolus.
- Cobalt had a fling with a girl named Anne who worked at Café Cramer. This girl would later have her own tumultuous history, that lead to her becoming Danger Damsel, one of Cobalt’s spies in other sectors of space.
- Following Stu’s term, Cobalt ran for LMB leader once more and actually won, albeit in the famous “Five-Way Tie”. He and the other Leader met and he was one of the three who decided to step down (with Poverty Lad and Icefyre), so Quislet and Varalent would be sole leaders (with Stoopid Cat as the deputy). Thus, however briefly, Cobalt Kid was leader of the LMB for a second time.
Year Six - Now coming soon! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Year Six Year six, in regards to Cobalt’s relationships with various offices of the LMB, started out badly, as he was constantly at odds with Reboot over his role as Chief of Security and Triumvirate, and how he could not lose those positions.
Cobalt Kid also founded the Legion World Bank with Princess Crujectra.
The Triumvirate during this period and the previous year became famous for building statues and created various monuments and parks.
Cobalt was part of the founding the ‘Real Estate Offices of Legion World’, which bought up the majority of available land. This office is known as “The Real Estate Offices of Greybird, Ester, Spiffany, Cobaltus and Jectra”.
It was during this time that Cobalt Kid became friends with, and then later partners as she joined the Security Office, the High Priestess Viviane. The two became especially close and flirtatious, and even may have hooked up on occasion, but that has never been confirmed (although many believe so, as much later, they married).
High Priestess Viviane
Cobalt Kid also was revealed to have had an affair with a woman named Golden Girl, who became embittered and an enemy of the LMB. It was then revealed that she became pregnant with Cobalt’s child (his fifth), and that child ended up being none other than fellow LMBer, Numf-El, sent back in time (and thus not turning evil). It was further revealed that Numf’s origin was much more complicated, and he was the child of many of the greatest warriors in the universe, but one just happened to be Cobalt Kid.
During Early Year Six, Cobalt Kid had a brief relationship with Miss Terious. Following this, his demon spawn combined with her own mystical origins led to her becoming pregnant: and then giving birth to ten children! Dubbed “Miss T’s Legion of Alt IDs”, they all acted on their own and were Cobalt’s children. Later, it would become even more confusing, as they all remerged into one body with Miss T herself to become Myriad—which basically meant they did not exist any longer. Hence, Cobalt often says he has had 6-15 children, as he is not sure if the ten actually counted.
Miss Terious (pre-Myriad)
During this point in time, Space Tart also finally re-emerged, back to her normal self. Cobalt overjoyed and the two quickly resumed their relationship, being still in love. At first, it was passionate and loving. But Cobalt had become too immersed with being Chief of Security, and that had become his life to Space Tart’s chagrin. Also, he had so many lovers and girlfriends on the side that Space Tart couldn’t help but get angry—and often, they were contacts for the Office of Security so he saw it as part of the job! Sparks began to fly and Space Tart herself went back out on the market. However, the two stayed married for quite some time (over another year). Sometimes they’d be loving and monogamous, and sometimes they would have multiple partners. Never again would they recapture what they had right before their apparent ‘deaths’.
It was during this time that Cobalt had a fling with Thora.
Another woman Cobalt dated for a brief period of time was Tiffany Spiffany, the young heiress to the Spiffany Empire. Although only really dating a few times and nothing serious, the two remained friends, separated by her going to Mayavale University far away and he being busy as Chief of Security (especially after an affair with Thora interrupted their date). But there are no ill feelings as they are both business partners at the Real Estate Offices.
Pagan Lass, the wife of Abin Quank was by no means one of Cobalt’s lovers, as the last thing Cobalt wanted was to arouse the fury of the entire House of Quank. However, upon learning of Abin’s terrible behavior with the High Priestess Viviane, she publicly invited Cobalt Kid to Thora’s Sadie Hawkin’s Dance the two were very scandalous that night. She also erected a second statue of Cobalt Kid to inspire Abin’s ire. Interesting enough, Space Tart went with Faraway Lad that night, causing more trouble in people’s marriages (causing a public lament that ‘Cobalt and Space Tart will ruin all of our relationships before the night is out’).
Pagan Lass
It was finally at the end of that summer that things slowed down and the various affairs that Cobalt was maintaining came to a halt. This was also a time of immense LMB activity and missions and they too slowed too. By the end of the summer, most of the relationships Cobalt had were ending, although he still maintained his loving relationship with his wife Space Tart, and flirtatious relationships with Princess Crujectra and High Priestess Viviane, which would continue throughout Year Six.
During this slower period among the LMB, Cobalt Kid helped create the first Supergirl Robot, who quickly fell in love with him. They had a brief human/robot affair, but she eventually became very religious and could no longer date the debaucherous Cobalt.
An annoyed Cobalt Kid went back to the drawing board with Mearl Dox, Master of the Universe, to create a second Supergirl Robot. This one they put in added features: father issues, overly emotionally, unable to communicate rationally in mornings, and horrible in balancing money. This Supergirl Robot turned out to be a huge success and quickly moved in with Cobalt and Spacey, who by this time all lived in Stu’s Mansion.
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Geez, Des--ain't this topic called "LMB FAST Facts"?!?!
(Aw, you know I love this stuff... )
Posted by LARDLAD on :
Don't know whether you're through with Cobalt's romantic history yet <yawn> , but I was wondering if you could tell us all about Captain Lightbulb and the Light Brigade (history, powers, etc.). I also am specifically interested in their post-Hot Summer Nights Trilogy activities that I may've missed out on during my long absence.
Thanks in advance!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Its the weekend, so I'm posting in between pre-gaming and bar-hopping, so I must be brief!
But, in short:
Since those big threads since then, Captain Lightbulb and the Light Brigade have appeared a handful of times. Most notablly are two that I can think of:
1) In the Ongoing tag thread in the portion 'The Great Cogaaad Saga', the Light Brigade and Kid Prime go on a suicide mission to destroy the Consortium of Giant Ants (or something) and it is subsequently known in history as "The Charge of the Light Brigade". They also witnessed Ant-Man (a giant ant that could shrink to the size of a man) die.
2) In Infinite Crisis, we learn (or re-learn) that the once Hypertime Bar is now the circuitry in Captain Lightbulb's speedo, so is forever immune to any retcons whatsoever with the speedo on. It also is the ultimate weapon against crisis/entropy/reality altering attacks (which, yawn, I hope we're done with for the rest of the decade in real life time ).
The Light Brigade hasn't had too many changes since their earliest appearances, and despite the one traitor then, the line-up remained the same (although Eryk has now hinted that its different).
Captain Lightbulb's origin is slightly in question, but can easily be explained. Eryk, of course, could handle this best.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Oh, on the Hypertime Bar thing: I think we've established now that it can never again become the Hypertime Bar, which is good, because if someone is killed there, they die forever. No retcons or author can change it.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
It's been a while since we've given Cobie a challenge, so here goes:
Not counting some of the more promiscuous characters' "hookups", how many in-continuity LMB romances do we know of (including an LMBer and a non-LMBer/Alt/GenChar)?
Posted by SharkLad on :
When was Shadowplay in Candlelight Lass last heard from? Has there been an explanation for her absence?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by SharkLad: When was Shadowplay in Candlelight Lass last heard from? Has there been an explanation for her absence?
Actually Sharky, Shady was recently a major player in our tag team Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis (majority of her parts were written by LardLad). Shady actually still lives on Earth (where the LMB are considered enemies of the state), using her powers to help boost the morale of the conquered people there. She has recently been joined by Hummer Lass, who went through some very difficult times in the above mentioned link. She is currently an in-active LMBer.
In real life, she can occasionally be seen posting on the Legionnaires section of Legion World!
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad: It's been a while since we've given Cobie a challenge, so here goes:
Not counting some of the more promiscuous characters' "hookups", how many in-continuity LMB romances do we know of (including an LMBer and a non-LMBer/Alt/GenChar)?
Now you’re asking a lot Hook-ups, romances and flirtations have long been a tradition among the LMB from about the very first page of the very first thread, most likely between Lardy & Shady, or Lash & just about everyone else!
But if we can limit the definition, to romances, perhaps more to ‘Romantic Relationships’, where the people actually can call the other person ‘boyfriend’ or ‘girlfriend’ or something similar, we can probably get a fairly good list together. You’ll have to note then that some LMBers, such as Hrun the Barbarian, will have no entry since they’ve never been in a real ‘romantic relationship’. I’m not really sure if Lucien Lad, Kid Prime, Beagle Boy, etc.
Note – These will be excruciatingly abbreviated to readers, so feel free to add more if you like… Note two – I’ll never get all of them, so don’t blame me
Lardy Lardy first began his career dating Leelee, LMB academy student Dazzle Lass, who ultimately met her end in battle. Lardy has also had a long time fling with Hummer Lass, though the nature of their relationship, while appearing to be little more than a mutually sexual one to the rest of us, is actually much deeper. Lardy was married briefly to Helen (Girl Girl), though that marriage was annulled. Most recently, Lardy has married Dru the Sorceress, longtime LMB enemy who had turned to the side of good.
Lash Lash has had a long number of flirtations and affairs throughout his days as an LMBer. Just about half the team has indulged this. But actual romantic boyfriends may be limited to (1) Large Handsome, who became Middlefinger II, (2) Matt Damon, who Android Lash ultimately tried to destroy. And (3) Raging Bull, for a time.
Cobalt Kid In brief, Cobalt has had these girlfriends (not flings): Antiquated Forms of Communication Lass, Carrggite Gymnist (unnamed), Sure Lee (Dean Lee’s cousin), Debauchery Damsel, Princess No-Protection, Jailbait Lass, Foxy Roxy, Kara (LW poster), Mantis, Thora (kind of), Danger Damsel, Frio and probably some more. Cobalt has had children with: Debauchery Damsel, Space Tart, Dessert Rose (LMB villain), Golden Girl (LMB villain), Thora and Miss Terious/Myriad Cobalt dated and was married to Space Tart for many years. Cobalt was briefly married to the High Priestess Viviane Cobalt has dated Spellbinder for many years now and the two are soul-linked, which ultimately is the same as marriage.
Spellbinder Spellbinder has had serious relationships with Loser Lad, Ultra Matt and STU, and is now dating and soul-bound to Cobalt Kid.
Crusader Crusader is married to LMB-Reservist Maxx
Loser Lad Carggitte Gymnist’s sister, Spellbinder, the High Priestess Viviane, the Sorceress Morgause
Shark Lad Has had various flings, most specifically Icefyre.
Faraway Lad and Gigglebot Girl Longtime LMBer Faraway Lad married Gigglebot Girl, who also joined the LMB
STU (aka Iron Rat) STU has had many girlfriends over the years as well, including Spellbinder for a time.
Lost in Lust Lad Had a love affair (I believe) with G. Stallion, the Super-Hologram of Raging Bull.
Varalent and Semi-Transparent Fellow Longtime love affair between these two LMBers
Eryk Davis Ester Has often been linked to Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II, Antiquated Forms of Communication Lass, and some others. Longtime rumors persist about a love between Eryk and Leap Year Lass, but to give those rumors any credence makes this poster risk his shins.
Leap Year Lass Lester Spiffany. ‘Nuff said.
Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl Longtime LMB married couple
Icefyre Shark Lad, Italian Boy, many other flings
Danny Blaine/Mattropolis Raging Bull specifically
Matlock Longtime hero is married with nine children. He also traveled back in time on one mission and fathered Hrun with Hrun’s mother.
Abin Quank and Pagan Lass Married couple, grandparents to Everyday Girl (whose actual parents have not been named). Abin strangely was the father of High Priestess Viviane’s daughter Divine Opal Janell, but that story is a bit long and confusing.
Space Ranger Had flings with many, such as Mantis, but the real love of his life was the Emerald Empress. He had a brief relationship with Triplicate Girl, who was an alt ID body of Myriad (very confusing, also Cobalt Kid’s somehow daughter). Space Ranger was also referenced to have had Carggitte wives on his home planet, and may have been a bigamist.
Actor Lad Engaged to Caliente
LMB Spectre Though never seen, its often referenced that the LMB Spectre has a girlfriend.
High Priestess Viviane It should at least be noted that although she never had a real relationship, she did have romances with Cobalt Kid, Loser Lad, Invisible Brainiac and Future.
Disaster Boy Has DB ever really had a romance in LMB lore? I can’t recall now…
Rockhopper Lad The love of Rocky’s life was Blaine Fey, from Earth-4, formerly Closeted Lad who became Opengly Gay Boy. Blaine was sadly killed during the Invasion.
Caliente She is engaged to Actor Lad, but also has been rumored to have been with Tamper Lad. Currently, there are rumors about Lonestar Ranger attempting to force her to marry him that somehow relate to Frio.
Tamper Lad Rumor abound about a possible love affair with Caliente during her initial days on Legion World. He is also oddly linked to Thora.
Frio Briefly dated Cobalt Kid, though that may not be how she sees it.
Kid Marvel Kid Marvel’s current boyfriend has popped up on occasion in LMB stories.
Hm…I’m a little disappointed in my list. I feel like I’ve left many out, but for the life of me can’t remember which. I’m sure someone will let me know Posted by SharkLad on :
Hey Cobie,
How many LMBers have met in real life? Who are they and how did it come about?
SL
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Lardy Lardy first began his career dating Leelee, LMB academy student Dazzle Lass, who ultimately met her end in battle. Lardy has also had a long time fling with Hummer Lass, though the nature of their relationship, while appearing to be little more than a mutually sexual one to the rest of us, is actually much deeper. Lardy was married briefly to Helen (Girl Girl), though that marriage was annulled. Most recently, Lardy has married Dru the Sorceress, longtime LMB enemy who had turned to the side of good.
Cobalt's summary is pretty decent, but Leelee was actually secretly murdered, and later replaced by, a villainess named Mordra, who is actually Dru's sister. Impersonating Leelee, Mordra carried on with Lardy as her while also bedding half the male LMBers. Years later, Mordra returned and bedded Lardy disguised as Hummer Lass, and conceived a child with him. See "Turning Point" Parts One and Two for all the gory details.
Trust me, Lardy's romantic tapestry has not fully played out just because he's married! My upcoming story "Smoke and Mirrors" will certainly add some wrinkles to it...
[ July 04, 2007, 02:32 AM: Message edited by: Lard Lad ]
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Cobie, how many LMBers--and I mean the characters, not the person behind them--have "real" names and how often do they differ from that of their creator? Of course my name is John and Rocky's is Eudyptes, but I'm guessing we're more the exception than the rule.
Also, if an LMBer has the same name as an actual comics character, is that character considered the same person in both continuities? For example, is the LMBer Lightning Lad named Garth or Scott in continuity?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Lardy Lardy first began his career dating Leelee, LMB academy student Dazzle Lass, who ultimately met her end in battle. Lardy has also had a long time fling with Hummer Lass, though the nature of their relationship, while appearing to be little more than a mutually sexual one to the rest of us, is actually much deeper. Lardy was married briefly to Helen (Girl Girl), though that marriage was annulled. Most recently, Lardy has married Dru the Sorceress, longtime LMB enemy who had turned to the side of good.
Cobalt's summary is pretty decent, but Leelee was actually secretly murdered, and later replaced by, a villainess named Mordra, who is actually Dru's sister. Impersonating Leelee, Mordra carried on with Lardy as her while also bedding half the male LMBers. Years later, Mordra returned and bedded Lardy disguised as Hummer Lass, and conceived a child with him. See "Turning Point" Parts One and Two for all the gory details.
Trust me, Lardy's romantic tapestry has not fully played out just because he's married! My upcoming story "Smoke and Mirrors" will certainly add some wrinkles to it...
Update: Lardy is now single again, technically a widower.And, already, he's begun an unholy liaison with Kalla Hryl (now Kalla Hrykos). All of this is shown in the recently-completed "Smoke and Mirrors" Onevision.
As a side note, Cobalt left out Lardy's one night stand with Jada Konti (who is now Bat-Fem II) shown in "Turning Point" Part Two. Of course it was just a one-nighter, but given the significance of her character in LMB lore, worth mentioning.
Which leads me to my next clarification from Cobalt...
Posted by Lard Lad on :
...do you believe Lardy and Space Tart ever had a fling?
It's been implied before, but I know there's no hard evidence. Certainly, it's been shown that she would gravitate to other men (and Cobalt to other women) when the two were on the outs to make him jealous. There's the flashback scene I included in "Hummer Lass: Intervention" to use as an example of that, at least.
What does your gut tell you happened, Des? And if they did, do you think that caused any tension (albeit temporarily) in Lardy and Cobalt's friendship?
[ August 17, 2007, 02:03 AM: Message edited by: Lard Lad ]
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Lardy, my gut tells me know, for a few reasons, though your line of thinking isn't off, and there was definately a longtime friendship/flirting b/t them:
(1) When Spacey did flirt with Lardy, Hummer Lass quickly intervened and a cat-fight broke out.
(2) Besides Cobalt, the other posters who Spacey really went after were Kid Psychout, Mightyfanboy Lad and Loser Lad.
(3) I always assumed that Lardy & Spacey never hooked up and Cobalt & Hummer Lass never hooked up, since there might be an unwritten 'code' among Lardy and Cobalt not to do that. Of course, there were tons and tons of times for either scenario to happen so its not out of he question, and also, there was a very strong sense of 'Roman Bachanalia' back then, so its not completely far-fetched.
In other words, my gut tells me no, but the evidence certainly leaves things at a 50/50 chance. I don't think it would have provided tension at the very beginning, but certainly would have in later years as we proceed along Cobalt's timeline: (1) Year One - that 'Roman Bachanalia' phase (2) Year Two - Cobalt dissapears, reappears, he and Spacey have flings but generally fight with each other constantly and cheat on each other--so maybe here. (3) Year Three - Cobalt returns, his pscyhe is more 'right', he and Spacey have a better, stronger relationship, get engaged--so no at this point. (4) Year Four - They get married--also no, and then no from there on.
I actually think it would cause more tension and animosity right now then in the past, given where Cobalt is in his life.
I wish the poster with Space Tart posted more! It could be good fun and drama!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad: Cobie, how many LMBers--and I mean the characters, not the person behind them--have "real" names and how often do they differ from that of their creator? Of course my name is John and Rocky's is Eudyptes, but I'm guessing we're more the exception than the rule.
Also, if an LMBer has the same name as an actual comics character, is that character considered the same person in both continuities? For example, is the LMBer Lightning Lad named Garth or Scott in continuity?
Hm, I think you're more the exception than the rule John, though its not as limited as one might think.
For example: Eryk Davis Ester is obviously that character's real name. And Crujetra and Mikal are the names for Spellbinder and Crusader. Though my character started off as Desmonius, his real name is now Cobaltus (story behind that).
But many posters have the traditional style like Lucien Lad is Bevis, Lard Lad is Anthony, Faraway Lad is Darden, etc.
You know, as I write this, I think its more 50/50 split.
As for characters like Scott and Caroline, what is established is that in the LMB verse, Lightning Lad is 'Scott', not 'Garth' and Saturn Girl is 'Caroline', not 'Imra', i.e., Nightcrawler = Gary, Kent Shakespeare = Kent, etc.
Their Earth-2 (DC Comics) and Earth-3 (Marvel Comics) counter-parts would have the different names.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
PS - I hope you guys are checking out the History thread!
Answering these questions was no prob. But the minute a hard one comes, I'm letting the thread lie in waiting for weeks and months on end until I"m ready to answer it
(And lets not kid, I know one's coming and I can tell which of two posters* it'll be from )
(*To be clear, not Lardy or Rocky!)
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: PS - I hope you guys are checking out the History thread!
Answering these questions was no prob. But the minute a hard one comes, I'm letting the thread lie in waiting for weeks and months on end until I"m ready to answer it
(And lets not kid, I know one's coming and I can tell which of two posters* it'll be from )
(*To be clear, not Lardy or Rocky!)
Huh? Posted by Pov on :
I think he thinks you can't think of a question to stump him! A challenge, I say! Prove him wrong, Antman!
Posted by Abin Quank on :
Hey Cobie, is Future's Onevision: LMBP the Movie, in continuity or not?
Posted by Pov on :
Depends on whether he wrote me a hot love scene with Cali or not... Posted by Abin Quank on :
Cobie, did we ever write Pov into the "Ongoing" storyline?
Didn't he have a love affair with GRL?
[ August 17, 2007, 10:44 AM: Message edited by: Abin Quank ]
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: Hey Cobie, is Future's Onevision: LMBP the Movie, in continuity or not?
Yes, but only as a script that Future wrote for an LMB movie, so, the events didn't technically happen I don't think.
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: Cobie, did we ever write Pov into the "Ongoing" storyline?
Didn't he have a love affair with GRL?
I'm pretty sure he is, though we definately didn't do enough bad things to him IMO
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: PS - I hope you guys are checking out the History thread!
Answering these questions was no prob. But the minute a hard one comes, I'm letting the thread lie in waiting for weeks and months on end until I"m ready to answer it
(And lets not kid, I know one's coming and I can tell which of two posters* it'll be from )
(*To be clear, not Lardy or Rocky!)
Huh?
Two posters that will ask questions that will cause Cobie to let this thread fall off page one = don't want to reveal them b/c then they'll do it Posted by Lard Lad on :
In your opinion, which death of an LMBer character has had the most impact? Also, which death of a non-LMB character (ally, enemy, supporting character, etc.) was most impactful?
Hey, you know as well as I do that historians decide this kind of thing, so don't be shy!
(I'd qualify this further by sticking to deaths that have been apparently permanent, rather than ones that were undone or revealed not to have happened.)
note: real deaths in real life are a trillion times more important, so I'd prefer we just address the deaths of fictional characters in a thread like this one. Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: In your opinion, which death of an LMBer character has had the most impact?
Hm, this is a good question. There have been a lot of deaths over the years, from the very beginning of the LMB (death of Foodmaker Kid, who we only meet posthumously), to right up until recent times. So I’ll give my most honest answer, which of course is purely my own opinions.
Most powerful death(s) of an LMB To me, this would have to be the death of the Emerald Empress and Space Ranger during LMB Infinite Crisis. In fact, there really isn’t any other deaths in LMB history that carry the same kind of impact. Its too bad you never got to interact with these characters personally Lardy.
When I first came to Legion World, it was almost at the exact time the ALT ID’s ‘Space Ranger’ and the ‘Emerald Empress’ registered. But this was a different time: the alt IDs were posting just as much as the real posters, even moreso at times, which is the case of Space Ranger. Plus, there was such an excitement during that time, and so much activity, that all Alts developed their own personalities and so many crazy storyline and subplots that they really felt like real posters. None more so than these two. Both the Ranger and Emerald Empress were involved in many storylines on the MMB, most notably the Dark STU Saga and the Alt ID Rebellion, and really kind of became LMB mainstays. In essence, they were just as important to the LMB as myself, Eryk, Vee and everyone else posting then. They were highly prominent in all the tag threads of the day, including ‘Ms. Grundy goes to SHAKES’ and many others, the former being Space Ranger’s shining moment. They stopped Thora’s rebellion and the two of them formed the Security Office with me. It was probably that founding of the Security Office which kept them so included in all things LMB. So for over two years they were very prominent accounts on Legion World. It had definitely gotten to the point where the two of them were equally as important to LMB lore as Space Tart and all the other major alts, and you know that’s a big deal when *I* say it.
So, definatley, without question, the deaths of both of them during Infinite Crisis were the most powerful. First, the Empress very tragic death, which really puts a cap on an amazing story of retribution for the character. She came to LW, was under suspicion during a perilous time, had major problems with Space Ranger and myself, won over many, helped defend Legion World, won over other LMBers like Vee, Semi and Arachne, then won over Ranger and me, helped form the Office of Security, was prosecuted by the Royal Inquisitor until Crujectra stood up for her and the rest of the LMB did, had a long-standing romance with Space Ranger, defended Legion World during the Dark STU Saga, ‘The Good, the Dark and the Dead’ saga and others, and had achieved pretty much total retribution for her criminal past—and then gave her life to Legion World. Its actually one of the better, more powerful stories of the LMB.
Space Ranger is no less so. Coming to Legion World he had an air of authority and arrogance to him that rubbed the LMB the wrong way, especially Semi, Vee, Icey and others. However, he proved himself during the invasion of Thora and won them over, and then co-founded the Office of Security. It became a major theme that the Ranger would see things in black and white, in ‘right or wrong’, and he often found himself at odds with new posters who did not agree with this (Cali, Tamper Lad, etc.). But he was always there defending Legion World in every single ‘saga’, which really only about four or five of us can say (myself being one other). His posts were always funny, and he often served as a way to mediate between rival posters like myself and Abin Quank. And very importantly, he became like the ‘Martin Luther King Jr.’ of the Alt IDs, which was a very cool part of continuity. Of course his death would be powerful and it was—dying to defend Legion World and rescue Jailbait Lass from the Red Bee and an army of super-villains, while the rest of the LMB was off battling the Anti-Moderator and doing things on a cosmic scale. Its very fitting when you consider the Ranger constantly had the theme of ‘looking out for the little guy’—the lurkers, the alt IDs, etc. He truly comes off as one of the most heroic of all the LMB characters.
I definitely see these two as the biggest deaths in LMB history. Very powerful stuff!
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Also, which death of a non-LMB character (ally, enemy, supporting character, etc.) was most impactful?
I'll answer later--too busy right now!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Also, which death of a non-LMB character (ally, enemy, supporting character, etc.) was most impactful?
Not lettin' ya forget about that one! And...
Just caught up on your "The Good, the Dark and the Dead" recap--great stuff! Wish I was there! However, two questions:
1) Disaster Boy: Is Morgause really his mother? And has there been a reveal about his father's identity?
2) Lardy: How far away from his return are we? Sometime soon after Infinite Crisis? How soon after GDD is IC?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Also, which death of a non-LMB character (ally, enemy, supporting character, etc.) was most impactful?
Not lettin' ya forget about that one! And...
Just caught up on your "The Good, the Dark and the Dead" recap--great stuff! Wish I was there! However, two questions:
1) Disaster Boy: Is Morgause really his mother? And has there been a reveal about his father's identity?
2) Lardy: How far away from his return are we? Sometime soon after Infinite Crisis? How soon after GDD is IC?
(*) Will get to!
(1) We at this time still don't know. It actually appeared that Banshee, another Avaloninan may be his mother. But later, he reappeared and he seemed to have some kind of knowledge about his origins that caused him great 'emotional pain'. Personally, since all of Avalon was diconnected from LW in 'Infinite Crisis', I would think otherwise. We do have hints that his parents may be LMBers, or at least one is. He may be from an alternate LMB timeline (think Cable or Bishop or Rachel Summers).
(2) We're getting there. There's a section after GDD called 'The All-New, All-Different LMB', which I've pretty much finished. Then 'Infinite Crisis' will have its own mainly b/c its so large, but its really only the event being covered. Up next is a 'OYL/pre-Actor Lad term' era that covers about 6 months of real time, in which Turning Point will take place and close with Lardy's return. Then Actor Lad and Kent's term. So we're close, but not quite there yet. But I'm moving incredibly fast now, so it shouldn't be too long. What will slow me down is IC itself, so we'll see how I can get through this. But I've begun my notes and I'm beginning to recall the general outline of how it went. So you'll see Lardy's gradual return at the close of the section following IC (I'll have a better name for it eventually), which will be a very large section (considering there's no leader, there's no natural split).
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Ok, correction. I've recently done heavy research (days worth) on old Infinite Crisis threads. And I can confirm that Disaster Boy's origins actually lie within those and will be included in future updates on the history.
So I stand corrected (by myself).
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Okay, I took a looooong stroll down memory lane tonight, and I have two questions about things that happened in my long absences:
1) EDE was in my body for a while? What was the story on that one?
2) Forgot about the time I couldn't log on to LW way back when. Was there an in-continuity explanation? Seem to recall it was worked into "Dark Stu" or something?
And don't forget about:
*
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Also, which death of a non-LMB character (ally, enemy, supporting character, etc.) was most impactful?
(*Why's this one so hard? )
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Okay, I took a looooong stroll down memory lane tonight, and I have two questions about things that happened in my long absences:
1) EDE was in my body for a while? What was the story on that one?
The story basically goes that when I first came to Legion World, September 2003, I became immersed in the then-ongoing storylines on Legion World that were taking place. Because I was kind of ‘old school’ and most of the then active posters were very new, there was an interest in old LMB continuity that I would reference. Lash, Cru and Stu, the other main active old school LMBers joked with me that we should make a coherent timeline of LMB continuity, which of course led to my huge project.
During the course of that, Lash told me about the story involving you privately emailing him saying you were EDE, and Lash, myself and EDE laughed about that. I didn’t know EDE at that time, so I was actually curious that he might know you outside the boards, and since I hadn’t talked to you in years, I asked him privately about that, even having a theory that you guys were brothers or cousins or something. EDE told me this wasn’t the case, but must have found it amusing, because a week later he was posting as ‘EDE in LardLad’s Body’ with your avatar. Basically, because of the renewed interest in the EDE/Lardy connection, there was suddenly some Lucifer Lass & One Called the One plots in the ongoing tag thread, and Eryk had fun with that for a week. Nothing was every resolved and there was no real story there.
A few weeks later I posted as ‘Cobalt in EDE’s Body’, and not missing a beat, Vee became ‘Vee in Cobalt’s Body’, and soon Kid Prime and others joined in so for a night on LW, it was that kind of craziness. More ‘goofing off on the MMB stuff’ than ‘relating to LMB Mythos stuff’.
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: 2) Forgot about the time I couldn't log on to LW way back when. Was there an in-continuity explanation? Seem to recall it was worked into "Dark Stu" or something?
Basically the story went that when Phineas B. Fuddle was revealed as the true enemy of the Dark Stu Saga, he specifically was taking his revenge on STU, Pov and myself because were the then-active posters on LW that were the most active during the time the LMB spent on the Phineas Boards. Not wanting to discount yourself or Lash, since you were so major on the Phineas Board, it just so happened that this was about the same week you were trying to log back into Legion World (if you remember both Stu and Arachne tried to help you with me), so Stu added into the story that Phineas was responsible for inability to get back to Legion World. This was around the time you had disappeared after being around briefly, so we worked that into your continuity for a time. Though murky, it would suggest that your continuity went: (1) arrive on LW, (2) do your part in my onevisions Price and Journeys (3) story in tag thread that is retold in ‘Turning Point’, (4) exit LW powerless in search of Mordra, (5) at one point try to return by not allowed by Phineas, (6) eventually return two entire years later.
As for Lash’s part, we implied that Phineas had a crush on Lash, which is why he remained unscathed.
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: And don't forget about:
*
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Also, which death of a non-LMB character (ally, enemy, supporting character, etc.) was most impactful?
(*Why's this one so hard? )
I wanted to give this one some time to think about it, but I’ve just been too busy at work.
But off the top of my head, I’d say the most recent death of Bat-Fem in ‘Omnia’ is possibly it, or at least tied for it (if I can recall any others). Specifically because Omnia was able to build so much story and characterization over the massive amount of posts, that it gave Bat-Fem a very powerful redeeming arc that was so perfectly connected to the death of her husband, Lard Lord. Also, it was the powerful connection with Jada Konti that really played up Bat-Fem’s role.
But most of all, it was the sheer hugeness of Omnia and the stakes on Legion World, and Bat-Fem’s Ferro Lad like death that underlined what it was these supporting characters were risking in order to defend Legion World against enemies that would give the much more powerful LMB trouble. Her death not only underlined her own heroism, but became a more powerful example of the heroism of all the main characters of Omnia.
The other major deaths I can think of are (1) Giant Squid in Dark Stu, which showcased the heroism of a supporting player in light of everything set against him, which then finally rallied the LMB to turn the tide and (2) Blaine Fey’s death in Invasion which showed just how high the stakes were and how far the invasion had come, where Legion World actually had Dark Oval troops in the streets with the LMB and their allies acting as a resistance.
Am I missing any other big ones? I can’t recall off-hand…
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Okay, here's one: How old are the LMBers? Again, this refers to the characters, not the people behind them who range from teens to fifties.
It seems to me that most of them are about the age of the Adult Legion of the late '70s and early '80s comics, but that's a guess, based on that some of the characters are married and in most pictures, they seem to be portrayed as fully-developed adults.
I've established ages for some of my characters. I've made references to Rockhopper Lad and Rockhopper Lass being in their mid-20s and Rockhopper Lad being about a year older, but Pyngwynyy may or may not age at the same rate as humans. Openly Gay Lad/Blaine Fey was 18 when he met Rocky which I guess was about two years ago and Time Teller Lad is under 20.
Has anything else been established?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
This is how I see the ages of the characters. When we started the LMB, it was pretty much established that all the posters were teenagers, because it was part of the 'regrabbing our youth' spirit of the LMB for some of the older posters, and even some of the posters that were then in their late 20's (I was actually 18 years old in real life when the LMB started so not so much me). So almost all the origional LMBers were about 16-18 years old (I would say). It was established that Cobalt Kid was the youngest, so we'd have him at about 15-16 (keeping it somewhat vague purposely). Later, a poster named Mightyfanboy Lad would become the youngest poster at age 14, but he left about a year after he joined (and I miss him still!).
Basically, we've all aged as the timeline has moved forward, which at this point, means were roughly about 8 years into the LMB timeline. So if Lash Lad and Lard Lad started at age 17, they would be 25. Cobalt Kid would be about 23 now, I’d wager, though there definitely many younger LMBers than him now.
For the most part, that is how it would work for most LMBers, but there is a ton of leeway.
For instance (1) A lot depends on where the posters want to have their age when they join. So Poverty Lad joined in the LMB’s third year. But he would have the option of starting at age 17 or he might want to be at age 20, which is what most of the LMB would be at that point. Given the ‘spirit’ of Pov’s posts over the years, I would think he would be about a year older than Cobalt, but probably about the same or just under Lash Lad and the year one LMBers. So I’d put him at around age 19 when he joined, which means he would be about 24-25.
(2) On the other hand, some posters might want to go the root of being at a very young age when they join, similar to the notion that Dawnstar was 18 years old when she became a Legionnaire, despite the Legion having aged for the most part by then. For example, Caliente may say she was 17 when she joined (the exact year up to her).
(3) Then there are the extremes that fall outside of this general assessment. Invisible Brainiac, who was the youngest Legionnaire by far, and still the youngest now, was probably 14 in continuity when he joined, since its part of his story. Faraway Lad has always had the ‘elder statesman’ aspect to his story, and it would fit, given his backstory as an excellent diplomat and military strategist. I would even put him at age 30 at his joining, but really its anywhere ranging from 25 – 35 when he joined in Year Two. Because the LMB would of course not exclude anyone for their age. Yellow Kid too has always seemed to be older (though he may not be) and Dev-Em, who had a history of espionage prior to his joining in year one, would definitely be one of the older Legionnaires during that time period.
But overall, I would say your assessment is right. The majority of the LMB are in their mid-20’s, similar to the 70’s era Legion leading up to the GDS. The LMB now age per the timeline (roughly a year for every real year, though there is room in there that I have built in to allow for what I call the ‘real time/in continuity overlap’). People would just need to keep in mind that there are some outliers that stand outside this general guideline and that the age of a poster does not necessarily begin at 18 when they join, but could be anywhere in sync with the average age of the active membership.
Posted by Caliente on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: For example, Caliente may say she was 17 when she joined (the exact year up to her).
Y'know, I was really only 18 when I joined. (Sound familar, Cobie? ) And I probably would say I was 16/17 (since my birthday's in Ocbober, this would make me almost 19/20, now, which isn't bad for a "married" gal) just because I was oh-so-immature. Thank God I grew out of that!
I'm glad Rocky asked that, though. I never thought about it. Very cool.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Cobalt, I've a vested interest in this next question:
Is Lard Lad really dead?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I don't think so
But hey, I'm an optimist Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Cobalt, I've a vested interest in this next question:
Is Lard Lad really dead?
I just checked the Chicago voter rolls; you're not registered to vote yet. That means you are still alive, my friend!
Posted by Bevis on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: (3) Then there are the extremes that fall outside of this general assessment.
Lucien Lad would probably be one of those exceptions as well. It's always been a bit of a vague thing about how old Lucien Lad actually is (since it's been established that he's bumped around the time/space continumumumumum for a long time before meeting the LMBP) but even when he joined I ahd him pegged as being a little older than a teenager. In fact he was probably about the same age as I was at the time which would have made him about 23 when he joined in Year One, at least physically if not chronologically, so he's now at least in his early 30s. That'd fit with him being slightly closer in age to the likes of Far so even given that he's one of the longest serving members of the LMBP and so one of the oldest simply by virtue of how long he's been around he's probably also one of the older members from when he joined.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
What about Vee, then? Is Vee lost and gone forever?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Don't this so there either Posted by Bevis on :
Cobie
As with the DCU and Marvel alternate realities and parrallel universes play a big part in the LMBP world. Reading stuff again recently with all teh Earth-4 stuff in it got me wondering about which parrallel versions of LMBPers we've met in teh past.
I guess it's two questions really since you've got the alternate realities that over-wrote the LMBPU (like the funny animals LMBP and all the ones created by the Living Retcon and the like) and then you have the actual parrallel realities like Earth-4 that co-exist with the LMBP and can be crossed over into. So who is out there and who are their parrallels in our reality?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Don't this so there either
Uh...was that supposed to make sense? Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Evil spell-check deity strikes again! What I mean is I expect Vee on Legion World eventually, safe and sound. Posted by Spellbinder on :
The Magic Eight Ball isn't always clear Posted by Lard Lad on :
Oh, is that his new nickname? Posted by Lard Lad on :
So Cobalt...who's on your LMB Fantasy Team, and how are you doing in your league?
Posted by Caliente on :
I've been meaning to ask-- what happened to the original Hoochie Hut? Did it just never make it off the DCMB or..? (If it's in the history, I either haven't reached there yet or glossed over it somehow.) I do recall it being destroyed once, but I thought it rebuilty.. yeah. I dunno.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I might be able to answer this one, Cali:
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible? It's not mentioned in the original story, but there was this particular bar centered between the two cities which helped egg on all the hubbub and incite a certain Deity's Wrath! Wanna guess what that bar was called? Anyhow, the original original shared those cities' fate. But it was too late--it was already turned into a franchise!
And the rest is history! Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: I might be able to answer this one, Cali:
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible? It's not mentioned in the original story, but there was this particular bar centered between the two cities which helped egg on all the hubbub and incite a certain Deity's Wrath! Wanna guess what that bar was called? Anyhow, the original original shared those cities' fate. But it was too late--it was already turned into a franchise!
And the rest is history!
So, if you look back at the Hootchie Hut do you get turned into a pillar of salt? Posted by Caliente on :
Now why didn't I see that mentioned in Cobalt's Legion World history, I wonder. Could it be he's slanting things?! Gasp! Shock! Awe!
But, wait! A historian would never do that! I guess he just decided to start the tale in more modern times.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: I might be able to answer this one, Cali:
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible? It's not mentioned in the original story, but there was this particular bar centered between the two cities which helped egg on all the hubbub and incite a certain Deity's Wrath! Wanna guess what that bar was called? Anyhow, the original original shared those cities' fate. But it was too late--it was already turned into a franchise!
And the rest is history!
So, if you look back at the Hootchie Hut do you get turned into a pillar of salt?
Well...not a pillar of salt, exactly.....let's just say that was one of those little details that the Bible guys decided to edit for adult content, and leave it at that!
quote:Originally posted by Caliente:
Now why didn't I see that mentioned in Cobalt's Legion World history, I wonder. Could it be he's slanting things?! Gasp! Shock! Awe!
But, wait! A historian would never do that! I guess he just decided to start the tale in more modern times.
To be fair, Cobalt may simply not have known how far back the HH's history goes! He'll never admit it, but in reality Cobalt really doesn't know everything! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Oh I know
The Hootchie Hut was still a major part of tag team stories as late as 2005 folks! I'll give a summary and provide a link to the story when I get a chance. But up until the latest appearance on LW, it was still where it always was, in a different part of the galaxy, still patronized by traveling LMBers.
Its not strictly an early-LMB thing. Abin, Invisible Brainiac, FC, Arachne and myself all visited it in a tag thread well after we were on Legion World.
So basically, the latest Hootchie Hut implies (unless later suggested otherwise) that its the same bar but somehow moved to a different location.
One can only wonder what will happen there next!
PS - the Hootchie Hut is one of the earlist LMB locations ever created. Often referenced many times before fully explored in a tag team thread by Lardy, Lou, Dev and possibly some others...
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Alright, Mr. Smarty Pants--which poster invented the Hootchie Hut? (Pretty sure it was yours truly, btw)
And is there a relationship between the Hootchie Hut and the Hypertime Bar?
(Note: my post about the Hootchie Hut's biblical origins is now canon! )
[ October 18, 2007, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: Lard Lad ]
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I like the Hootchie Hut's new origin and glady accept it as cannon.
Especially if that thread ever heats up on the MMB, I'll gladly encourage a biblical end to occur in similar fashion
But yeah, I think you created the Hut way back in Spring 2000/Summer 2000 somewhere in those months. Like most things back then, it probalby began as a one-off mention that continued on as an in-joke with yourself, me, Lou, Lash and other posters. It was never actually described at first, but you could infer it was either a bar with 'loose men and women' or an outright strip club.
It didn't really get heavily into cannon until the "Never-Ending Tag Thread" in Fall 2000 (roughly Year Two on the timeline--see the history for an entire section, probably Lou's term). Basically all the LMB stories went in and out of the Hut.
It then became a central part of the only tag thread at the SuperHero Chat with Lardy, Lou, Dev and the new LMBer, Yellow Kid sometime in Early 2001 (roughly Year Three, possibly right before).
It's always stayed a part of LMB stories though, often as a reference or place to stop by.
In Year Five, on Legion World in Early 2005 (when myself and some other longtime LMBers were heavily interacting with Legion Worlders recently introduced to LMB cannon), it was a major part of the 'All-New, Not So Different, LMBP Tag Team Thread') which also can be found in Bits via the search and has its own section in the timeline (under Stu's term).
There is really no relationship with the Hypertime Bar and the Hoothie Hut, given how important the Hypertime Bar is to reality/time/space/continuity and its place in LMB lore in regards to existing outside continuity to instill a sense of order to prevent events like LMB Infinite Crisis. Confused? You should be. The Hypertime Bar is extrememly confusing, and it exists outside 'reality and continuity'. If you die there you can never come back--retcons do not apply. Eryk can maybe sum it up better, but that about covers it (I'm leaving for my flight back to NY/CT now). No real relation to the Hootchie Hut other than its another place frequented by the LMB in their adventures. I'd reccomend reading two stories to get a better idea of it (or at least review them in the timelines): (1) "Hot Summer Nights" which introduced the Hypertime Bar and (2) "LMB: Infinite Crisis" which really explained what it is.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
"canon", Des...not "cannon"! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Bah! Everyone knows people who spell things right are total nerds and should be laughed at accordingly!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Feh! And don't hink I failed to notice you've "overlooked" this question:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: So Cobalt...who's on your LMB Fantasy Team, and how are you doing in your league?
One must assume your LMB fantasy team is the cellar-dweller!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I'm afraid if I reveal that, I may alienate half of the populous who I love and love me equally as much, possibly even more!
So, since all of the LMB roster and every inhabitant, lurker and alt on Legion World are on my roster, I'm doing pretty good. Sure, I've got a missing poster here and a dead on here...(*cough, cough*, raises eyebrow), but overall I'm doing okay
BTW, check out my response about the ages of LMBers a page or two back Lardy and give me your interpretation. It's something I've thought about and may have even talked about with you before. Its one of those 'no real right answer' ones that is pretty interesting.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I think your interpretation is as good as any, Des. You've certainly got my view on Lardy's age down pat. Everything else rings really true also, especially how you incorporate characters like Faraway Lad who've always traditionally been presented as older. In the end it's up to each LMBer, but yours is as good a starting point as any.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Sure, I've got a missing poster here and a dead on here...(*cough, cough*, raises eyebrow), but overall I'm doing okay
What are you trying to imply?
Seriously, though, Lardy's ultimate fate is actually up in the air. What I mean is, there's a decent chance I might actually let him stay dead! I mean, it was a pretty good death, wasn't it? I didn't come in to FFoD with the intent of killing him off, but the idea grew organically as Lardy's story within it developed. In a way it wraps up Lardy's long-term story arc rather nicely (though that would make all the 5YL stuff an Elseworlds).
If I were to bring Lardy back, I know where I'd like it to happen if not when and how. There's a poster out there whom you and I both know has been promising a muthah of a story for quite some time, a Holy Grail of an LMB saga, if you get my drift. And if that story were to ever come about, that would be a perfect place for Lardy to return. But that story may never come to be, so maybe Lardy's return may never either.
That said, FFoD hasn't officially ended yet, and there's something in the epilogue I'd like to drop in there. but it hasn't ended yet!!!! {hint-hint to those who need to finish it!}
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I should also add that part of my motivation for killing Lardy off was to set a precedent: first Primary ID (non-alt-ID, non-gen char) death of an LMBer--and a founder at that! Couldn't resist holding that distinction!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Cobalt Kid! Even though they weren't questions, I demand your comments/thoughts/feelings regarding my last two posts in this topic! Posted by Lard Lad on :
Or was Numf first Primary to die? Why exactly is Numf a ghost? Did I miss something?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Hm. 'Primary ID's that have died':
- Tsarin Kid - though he kind of did become Mystery Lad, so he didn't stay dead.
- Cobalt Kid - though not in 'real time', more like a retcon after my return.
- Sonnie Bloke - he got better
- Numf-El - he didn't . Seriously though, Numf died in 'Dragons' and has been 'The Ghost of Numf-El' ever since. Its actually been that way for about two years now. How about it Numf? Ever coming back to normal?
- Lard Lad - Other than Numf, Lardy is probably the next to actaully die. Hard to tell who has that designation. Still, all very dramatic though!]
I find it cool that Lardy migth be dead! So what's next then? New username, avatar, character? Have you got something in the pipeline?
As for FFOD, just know that the final parts of the roleplay are not coming from me! The poster hasn't been on that much who is supposed to finish it, but it should be soon, I would think. I've pretty much done all that I can for my character(s).
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I will be posting primarily IC and otherwise as another character soon, but that will have to wait until after Rocky delivers a couple of messages from Lardy he composed before his death. That can't really happen 'til FFoD gets to its epilogue, though. So there's always some ideas in the pipeline. Nothing longterm yet, except I'd love to see the "Holy" story I alluded to happen. Desperately! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
One thing FFoD did was give me an opportunity to ‘clean house’ on my alt IDs. I’ve actually given a few away to limit myself to a basic few. Some I had their stories end, some I didn’t. One was scheduled to die but the story convinced me to go in the opposite direction and make this take him somewhere completely new.
I think definitely in the next roleplay I’m going to have very little to do with any plotting of the story. Probably to the point where I don’t even want to know what’s coming, I just want to use Cobalt Kid to react. I probably won’t even use whatever Alts I have left.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
You were gonna kill Roy, weren't you?
Glad you didn't!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
If you were to ask yourself a question in this thread, Des, what would it be? And what's the answer?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Hm. That's kind of tough. Most of questions I would have asked already have been.
I guess the question is: what is it your looking forward to most in the LMB?
And the answer is: (1) follow-ups to subplots from Invasion, Omnia and recent stories, all of which are in the works, but really (2) all new threads in the MMB. LMB-stuff that isn't roleplaying...stuff that doesn't give a sense of urgency to the 'story' but stuff where we get to do crazy stuff in character. Hard to put into words exactly what I mean, but I've been pondering it a lot lately (which is why its the question on my mind now).
Hm. How to give an example. Maybe something like an active thread where things are happening in real time, but once you're not posting, you leave the thread and no one can bother you. So you're off the hook when you're not around, but when you want to dive in you can without any care to an overall larger story. Something a little 'more free' might be interesting. But that would all depend on there being a certain amount of people participating, I guess.
I guess I'm just looking for a more active MMB with 'new threads'. I'm fickle like that . I need new things to keep me interested. But I'm also greedy in that I want more than half of them to be created without my knowledge before-hand, but there for me to join in at my leisure Posted by Lard Lad on :
Two questions I had for you after skimming parts of "The Horn of Undoing" for research on "The Covenant"...
1) Is Geo-Thing dead, and did he/it ever appear before battling Helena and the rest in HoU?
2) What happened with the Cacaphony--was that a deleted scene or did I miss something?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I'll have to recheck, but IIRC:
(1) Geo-Thing was a unnamed character in 'Omnia', one of the 52 that appeared briefly during the end skirmish. Basically I have a visual for the character (Blok/Thing type look) but wasn't all that interested in it. I intended for him to be killed off, but you have the go-ahead to ressurect him if you want and make him your own!
(2) I have plans for the Cacophany (the Trumpeter's ship) but they've sadly been waiting while my focus is on something else (I'm currently writing my 100-issue outline of what I'd do if I was writer for Amazing Spider-Man...maybe one day I'll post it. Its already pretty huge, I'm 70 issues into it). Eventually I want to follow-up on the Arch Duke of Time, Virus, Middlefinger (Princess No-Protection) and, of course, the Khanate. The Cacophany (and ultimately the Trumpeter) would be dealt with during that time in the early part of the story.
I see you posted your first bit of 'the Covenent'. That's great Lardy! Looking forward to it!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I see you posted your first bit of 'the Covenent'. That's great Lardy! Looking forward to it!
Yeah, I had to get something out there on "Covenant" or it would never be written! (Rocky's references to RhLass in his threads helping motivate me) Currently, I'm having trouble finding the time to write more chapters. It's a complicated story in the sense that it takes place over several months and many chapters will take place significant periods of time after the preceding one. In the long run I think that will help in the pacing considering updates to the story will occur irregularly, mirroring the time lapses in the story itself. I hope to post another installment within the next week.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I see you posted your first bit of 'the Covenent'. That's great Lardy! Looking forward to it!
Yeah, I had to get something out there on "Covenant" or it would never be written! (Rocky's references to RhLass in his threads helping motivate me)
Well, it didn't seem quite natural for Rocky (and Tim and Hyvvie) not to mention Adelie's absence.
I'm looking forward to the rest of it too! Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Wild Cobalt: I have plans for the Cacophany (the Trumpeter's ship) but they've sadly been waiting while my focus is on something else (I'm currently writing my 100-issue outline of what I'd do if I was writer for Amazing Spider-Man...maybe one day I'll post it. Its already pretty huge, I'm 70 issues into it). Eventually I want to follow-up on the Arch Duke of Time, Virus, Middlefinger (Princess No-Protection) and, of course, the Khanate. The Cacophany (and ultimately the Trumpeter) would be dealt with during that time in the early part of the story.
Spider-man? SPIDER-MAN?!?!?! WTF? Nothing's more important than LMB continuity, dammit!!! Get it in gear, man!
quote:I see you posted your first bit of 'the Covenent'. That's great Lardy! Looking forward to it!
Yeah and the second bit went up last night! Whaddayathink? Posted by Wild Cobalt on :
Liking it! Especially the inclusion of Grev Mallor! I didn't really see that coming and wonder what you have in mind! I feel he really never got his due and am kind of glad he's in your hands!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Grev didn't come entirely out of left field, Des...do you remember that I used him in Omnia?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
And I saw from "Recent Visitors" that you'd spent some time looking at "Psionic Spear". Could you be boning up in prep for our long-awaited next Onevision instead of wasting time on this Spider-man thingy?!?? Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
More like trying to regain my inspiration for the next part of my epic. More and more its looking like I'll have to break it down to specific parts. And I wanted to be sure I tied up the right stuff and left the right loose ends dangling.
Not sure I'm ready to return to an LMB onevision yet...hopefully soon!
I figure this lull in even my MMB activities can be explained by: Cobalt Kid, following the death of his friend Lard Lad, has stopped appearing publicly on Legion World (which is incredibly odd for him, given his 'celebrity personna'). He is only ever seen working at the Security Office or with his Space Knights Templar. Those closest to him believe he is in a depression, but considering his tendency to put up walls when he has to deal with his emotions, he is burying himself in work. He also spends a lot of time off-planet on secret and mysterious 'projects' that 99% of the LMB are left in the dark on.
That will help set things up further and show the appropriate greiving process for Cobie. Especially since he's had a pretty rough year and a half recently, and now especially with Lardy dead too (after watching his friends, planet, father, etc. die)! I do plan to finally show the emotional side of Cobalt and how these events have effected him (that's one of the main jists of the story), so I want to be sure I'm ready to right it at the right time.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Man! Sounds like you really burned yourself out between Omnia, Spear, Horn, 80PG and FFoD, huh? I thought I was getting burned out, too, but once I just kinda forced myself to dive in to "Covenant", I've really gotten into it! The funnest part is exploring these characters and what makes 'em tick (none of whom is Lard Lad for a change). And I'm really gonna be playing with weaving this story into other things that happened meantime in the LMB mythos (especially "Smoke and Mirrors" and FFoD) in what I hope will be interesting ways.
Interestingly enough, I had to change a story point of "Covenant" because of Helena's appearance in FFoD. Originally, Seth was going to be the one left behind! So I had to leave her on LW because the Covenant crew was still gone. I will be exploring how Helena got to be where we saw her in FFoD, so she'll still be a big part of the story.
I'm excited!
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
To answer a question Lardy posed to me in the Shoutbox the other day, I'm waiting till after "Covenant" is finished before I start anything so I can see where Rockhopper Lass is at the end of it. I'm starting to poke some ideas around though.
I've never really been able to keep my attention to a OneVision beyond a couple of installments, but who knows what the future holds! Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
It's been long enough since we've asked the Cobester a question, so here goes:
The LSH, of course, has the rule forbidding duplication of powers in its members (except for Kryptonian/Daxamite kind). The LMB does not have such a rule. How many LMBers have powers that are similar to those of other members?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Has popular Legion Worlder CJ Taylor ever participated in LMB continuity? If so, brief synopsis, please!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Good questions and I'll get to them when I have a few minutes. CJ has a really interesting history, even if 95% of it isn't written by him.
The duplicate powers rule is probably less than we all think, though some powers (like teleportion) have been overdone.
Posted by CJ Taylor on :
There is no way teleportation can be overdone.
A brief synopsis of my history, post Zero- Hour can be summed up in one word- TRIUMPH ( for you Marvel fans, think SENTRY.)
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Cobester, 2 Ekron-related questions:
1) Wasn't there a particularly memorable encounter between the Emerald Ass and Emerald Schlong of Ekron involving me and a female LMBer?
2) Is Ekron a hermaphrodite or something? Pretty sure we've seen male AND female parts...
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Ekron has a long history I think I may have already covered in this thread, and has a great section in the history of the LMB ("Crisis on Earth-4).
I want to get to your guys questions but after a long past few weeks, my attention span is best served right now for one-off threads. So eventually I'll give a response on it all Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
And by eventually I mean before 2009. Sometime between now and then.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Whenever you have time. I know there's something or other coming up in a few weeks. Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Just a reminder to the Cobester: There are only 48 days left till 2009! Posted by Fat Cramer on :
31 days and another question, but don't let it stress you out:
Is it true that Turns-You-Into-A-State Kid's great grandfather, Turns-You-Into-A-Principality Kid, was royalty?
Posted by Spellbinder on :
I don't have a question, but can I just say that after all these years, I'm still amazed by the level of Cobie's intelligence.
And you can read as much into that statement as you'd like Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Yes, this is indeed true, but he did not have any super powers, just a great amount of authority.
On the Ekron related questions, I'm positive I answered them all earlier in the thread so I'd have to reread the thing to check...
The similar powers question...well, that one I really need a few moments to answer... Posted by Spellbinder on :
Oh Cobie... how cute is it that we posted at the same time?
Nice to know that your marriage and whatnot hasn't broken our flow Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Especially the whatnot!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... Whatknot would be a good LMB villain. I'd suggest he has the ability to alter the topological structure of space to create mathematical knots.
Or he could just be good at tying things up.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Spellbinder: Oh Cobie... how cute is it that we posted at the same time?
Nice to know that your marriage and whatnot hasn't broken our flow
My real life marriage may soon encourage the fictional Cobalt Kid to perhaps consider an LMB marriage Would Legion World be ready, majesty? Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by LardLad: Cobester, 2 Ekron-related questions:
1) Wasn't there a particularly memorable encounter between the Emerald Ass and Emerald Schlong of Ekron involving me and a female LMBer?
2) Is Ekron a hermaphrodite or something? Pretty sure we've seen male AND female parts...
For the full history of Ekron, I'd check out the LMB History Narrative, particularly the "Crisis on Earth-4" chapter during the time Vee & Quis were co-leaders and Stoopid Cat was the deputy (Spring 2004).
The most memorable encounter with the various parts of Ekron IMO is the "Emerald Dildo" of Ekron. Of course, Kid Therod might disagree, after having entered the Emerald Ass to save the universe. For the encounter you are referring to, wasn't that a story with you and Space Tart during year three when the Emerald Ass of Ekron first began to appear?
I don't think I recall any stories of Ekron featuring the entity having female parts, other than Breasts. Which might not be conclusive. While I wouldn't rule out Ekron as a Hermaphrodite, since Ekron is a deity-type figure, perhaps the most powerful entity the LMB has ever battled, I'm not sure I'd commit to Ekron being one quite yet. One must remember that even Ekron's clothes have extreme power, such as his aforementioned dildo, and of course, his most famous piece of clothing, EDE's nelly cap.
I still think there's a post in this thread in which I go into specific detail on Ekron, but I'll have to find it.
I'm too busy these days to get into long posts where people try to stump me . I need easy questions I can answer off the top of my head Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
LMBers with similar powers: Well, knowing full well I couldn’t just let this one sit, Rocky had to ask the question to end all questions The short answer is OH YES there have been many, many instances of LMBers having the same types of powers. In fact, whenever an LMBer shows up with a more unique power set (Nightcrawler, Matlock, Rockhopper Lad), many of us LMB authors jump on the change to use them in stories because it lets us run off in a new direction.
So this post will be both abbreviated and likely long:
(1) The “Superman” archtype powers: there have been several with this type of power set, though with slight differences. For instance, there have been both Daxamites, obviously based on Mon-El's powers, and there have been some Kryptonians, obviously based on Superboy's powers, "Ultra powers" based on Ultra Boy and yes, even those based on Captain Marvel. But we can lump them all in together: Dev-Em (half-Daxamite), Space Ranger (Daxamite), Kara (Supergirl), Kid Marvel (JoeBoy with SHAZAM type powers), Superboymljr (Kryptonian) and Ultra-Matt (ultra powers). At first we thought Harbinger had Supergirl type powers, but her later comments and change in avatar lead me to believe this is not the case. She has never really defined her powers.
(2) Magic: there have been many, many magic users among the LMB. And several of them have been quite prominent. The first is actually one of the initial members, Lev Lad, though he only posted for about the first month of the LMB's existence. Although there were several after, the first to be notably prominent is STU, whose rise to be a major force in the LMB is well documented (just check the LMB history). High Priestess Viviane was a major force in LMB lore during the first few years of the Legion World, and Pagan Lass became an important part of LMB lore, particularly through her role as the matriarch of the House of Quank. Maxx the Sorcerer, the husband of Crusader, has appeared continually for several years, and in the most recent years has become an active part of the LMB roster. There are likely more, and I won't go any further other than saying you can be assured there are many, many magic users in LMB lore. What makes them unique is generally they have some of the more unique personalities: STU is mysterious and once became Dark STU, Maxx is dependable and a calming influence, Pagan Lass's actions often bring her into conflict with members of her own house while serving a higher purpose, and High Priestess Viviane would suffer no fools, often reacting with anger.
(3) Non-powered superheroes: these are often far less than you'd imagine. One might assume that Lash Lad, Matlock and several others have no powers...and one would be wrong. Often they have the most obscure or specific powers of them all. I'd be hard-pressed to find a truly non-powered LMB superhero.
(4) Invisibility - Inspired by Invisible Kid, there are several LMBers who display invisibility, the most famous being Semi-Transparent Fellow. Invisible Brainiac at first appeared to have this power, but its actually only an extension of his very powerful light-powers.
(5) Star Boy Powers - Mattropolis and Star Boy both have this very cool powerset.
(6) Super-Genius - there are quite a few super-geniuses in the LMB. Enough, in fact, that in very large stories, such as Omnia, it serves a purpose to link them all together as an "LMB Brain-Trust". While many LMBers are shown to be extraordinarily smart, the super-geniuses would be: Invisible Brainiac, Tamper Lad, Reboot, Mystery Lad, Mearl Dox, as well as some other Gen-Cars, such as Captain Lightbulb. The difference is often in the personality, such as Mearl Dox being the aloof Ruler of the Universe, Tamper Lad being quasi-antagonist and almost villainous, and Reboot being one of the most unique personalities in LMB history. Of course, many are Coluons too, obviously showcasing a love for Braniac 5.
(7) Pre-Cognition - also an incredibly beloved power to use by the LMB, because of Dream Girl, precognition has always been a big part of it. Often, this is linked to posters looking to capture aspects of Dream Girl's personality and duplicating her powers. Most famous of the pre-cogs were Miss Terious and at times High Priestess Viviane (who used this power occassioanlly). Miss Terious was likely the first major Pre-Cog, but later changed her power set.
(8) Telepathy / Telekinesis - Though there are several telepaths, the LMB is surprisingly not quite on X-Men level yet (thankfully). The most famous are (A) the House of Jectra, specifically Spellbinder and Crusader, and (B) Saturn Girl (who has telepathy only). There may be others, as I wouldn't be surprised, but those are the ones that come to mind for me most often. For whatever reason, I often associate telepathy with Spellbinder and telekinesis with Crusader though both can do both.
I should also mention that several LMBers have bunches of powers. For instance its generally affirmed by the LMB authors that Poverty Lad is a martian (those that know him in real life realize this is actually true, so its not really that fictitious), and thus he has all the powers of Martian Manhunter (Superman meets the Phoenix meets Cham). Blacula is a vampire, and therefore also has Superman level strength with a whole other set of powers.
I also believe several characters might have teleportation, but Outdoor Miner is the only one that comes to mind. Faraway Lad has a similar type power, but its different enough to not really be lumped into the same category. And the cosmic level of each character is different.
There are more duplicated powers, of that I'm quite sure, and I welcome others to chime in. Its interesting that several powers sets are often duplicated (Lyle, Brainy, Imra), while others are not quite. I honestly thought there were more, but rather than actually check, I'm just going off the top of my head
Now...only easy questions until after New Years I'm too busy at work!
I'll say this though Rocky...you might have relit a flame for LMB shenanigans (also helped by the new tag thread). Maybe its time I get to finishing that trilogy of LMB stories I started.
Posted by Spellbinder on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Spellbinder: Oh Cobie... how cute is it that we posted at the same time?
Nice to know that your marriage and whatnot hasn't broken our flow
My real life marriage may soon encourage the fictional Cobalt Kid to perhaps consider an LMB marriage Would Legion World be ready, majesty?
Is the UNIVERSE ready for it? (not to mention my parents) Posted by Bevis on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I also believe several characters might have teleportation,
'm fairly sure that I've got some form of teleportation as well, or at least an ability to use the Palace to jump from point to point instantaeneously.
And of course then there's the much disputed retcon power that has been shown to be used in various different ways by a few of us over the years, ranging from the full retcon powers of the Living Retcon to the slightly less direct Nostalgia powers of myself.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... I'm surprised that more LMBers don't have the ability to utter a magic catch-phrase, thus summoning a probability-altering cosmic being who will fulfil one's wishes in the most mischevious way possible.
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Hmm... I'm surprised that more LMBers don't have the ability to utter a magic catch-phrase, thus summoning a probability-altering cosmic being who will fulfil one's wishes in the most mischevious way possible.
And who did you think Esq. was when the visitor list reads "Quislet, and Esq."?
Posted by Spellbinder on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Hmm... I'm surprised that more LMBers don't have the ability to utter a magic catch-phrase, thus summoning a probability-altering cosmic being who will fulfil one's wishes in the most mischevious way possible.
I think something should happen whenever an LMBPer says "Sweet Ass Sweet". Maybe a keg can magically appear or something Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Cobie, it's interesting that you list Nightcrawler (teleportation) and Rockhopper Lad (cryokinesis) as having unique power sets, since I can think of several others folks for both:
Teleportation: Nightcrawler, Outdoor Miner, Lard Lad, Virgin Lad, CJ Taylor/Enigma (I think), Faraway Lad (kinda sorta).
Cryokinesis: Rockhopper Lad, Frio, Polar Boy, Icefire, Rockhopper Lass (a reserve member, but still a cryokinetic).
Now, there are differences among the cryokinetics: Frio and Polar Boy are Tharrians who slow down molecular movement, thus causing a drop in temperature and cause condensation/water vapor to turn to ice; Icefire creates cold with one hand and heat with the other (a combo of Frio and Caliente, as it were); the Rockhoppers use magic to create ice and snow. For that matter, Rocky once teleported himself and Rockhopper Lass by directing the magic differently, but it was very painful for him and he swore never to use magic in any way other than the ice magic again.
And I quite agree, that more LMB shenanigans are in order! Posted by Bevis on :
Cobie, I know we've had LMBPers die and then come back and LMBPers change their codenames but do we have any legacy heroes? In that I mean any heroes with the same code name as a previous hero but a completely different individual?
Posted by Spellbinder on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: 'm fairly sure that I've got some form of teleportation as well, or at least an ability to use the Palace to jump from point to point instantaeneously.
You should probably jot these things down, Bevis dear. You never know when knowing what powers you have might come in handy Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: Cobie, I know we've had LMBPers die and then come back and LMBPers change their codenames but do we have any legacy heroes? In that I mean any heroes with the same code name as a previous hero but a completely different individual?
We have two Gen-Cars: Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal and Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II that is legacy I recall right away. Really the brain-child of EDE and Kid Prime, KGSR II was the first to appear in the legendary "Doom of the Super-Heroes" tag team and has occurred several times thereafter, basically a tag team mainstay.
KGSR I has never actually appeared in 'real time', being akin to Kid Quantum in TMK. His death was basically retconned into the LMB's earlier history as one of the first LMBers to die. When I did the history of the LMB, I added him in to make it appear as if it had always been this way, even though he did not appear until LMB Year Four.
Beyond that, none that I can recall right off the top of my head. There was a 2nd Space Ranger who was more of a villain than anything and he met a horrific end of being killed by Frio.
Now for legacy villains, there is of course Middlefinger, since that's part of his schtick Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad: Cobie, it's interesting that you list Nightcrawler (teleportation) and Rockhopper Lad (cryokinesis) as having unique power sets, since I can think of several others folks for both:
Teleportation: Nightcrawler, Outdoor Miner, Lard Lad, Virgin Lad, CJ Taylor/Enigma (I think), Faraway Lad (kinda sorta).
Cryokinesis: Rockhopper Lad, Frio, Polar Boy, Icefire, Rockhopper Lass (a reserve member, but still a cryokinetic).
Now, there are differences among the cryokinetics: Frio and Polar Boy are Tharrians who slow down molecular movement, thus causing a drop in temperature and cause condensation/water vapor to turn to ice; Icefire creates cold with one hand and heat with the other (a combo of Frio and Caliente, as it were); the Rockhoppers use magic to create ice and snow. For that matter, Rocky once teleported himself and Rockhopper Lass by directing the magic differently, but it was very painful for him and he swore never to use magic in any way other than the ice magic again.
And I quite agree, that more LMB shenanigans are in order!
Ah, but when I referred to Nighty and yourself, I tried to infer that they have more than just the most famous of their powers, such as the other powers in Nighty's set (blend in shadows) and your other powers (a form of super-breath being my favorite ).
But yeah, thanks for listing those out. I was running out of time in my last post because work is so crazy.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Spellbinder:
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: 'm fairly sure that I've got some form of teleportation as well, or at least an ability to use the Palace to jump from point to point instantaeneously.
You should probably jot these things down, Bevis dear. You never know when knowing what powers you have might come in handy
In the LMB, not knowing what powers you have can be pretty useful as well, as you can pretty much help yourself to whatever you like.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
The LMB needs its own version of Chameleon Chief. That would basically be the most powerful entity in the entire history of literature save One Big One ^^.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Ah, but when I referred to Nighty and yourself, I tried to infer that they have more than just the most famous of their powers, such as the other powers in Nighty's set (blend in shadows) and your other powers (a form of super-breath being my favorite ).
True enough. And it's funny: Rocky gained his super-breath powers the one time he attempted teleportation. He held his breath while he did it and the magic focused itself on his lungs--which we be pretty powerful anyway, seeing as he can hold his breath for an hour. Super-breath was always one of my favorite super-powers.
Of course my Rockhopper Lad nameplate that Gary made for Comic Con lists his power as Super-Cuteness! Posted by Bevis on :
quote:Originally posted by Spellbinder:
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: 'm fairly sure that I've got some form of teleportation as well, or at least an ability to use the Palace to jump from point to point instantaeneously.
You should probably jot these things down, Bevis dear. You never know when knowing what powers you have might come in handy
Oh, I've had so many different powers over the years that I forget which ones I actually have, which ones were an alternate version of myself and which ones I lost. It all gets very confusing...
Posted by Spellbinder on :
quote:Originally posted by Bevis:
quote:Originally posted by Spellbinder:
quote:Originally posted by Bevis: 'm fairly sure that I've got some form of teleportation as well, or at least an ability to use the Palace to jump from point to point instantaeneously.
You should probably jot these things down, Bevis dear. You never know when knowing what powers you have might come in handy
Oh, I've had so many different powers over the years that I forget which ones I actually have, which ones were an alternate version of myself and which ones I lost. It all gets very confusing...
Maybe it's time to bring back the Brads, to offer a small amount of clerical assistance Posted by MLLASH on :
Cobie, odd request here but it will/should enable me to finish a long dormant LMB onevision:
Can you make a list of LMB members who are deceased in continuity? "Real" (as real as we get I guess) deceased, not believed to be deaceased but actually time displaced or something?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: Cobie, odd request here but it will/should enable me to finish a long dormant LMB onevision:
Can you make a list of LMB members who are deceased in continuity? "Real" (as real as we get I guess) deceased, not believed to be deaceased but actually time displaced or something?
Lets see…I have to do this by memory, to update, but the original answer to this question can be found here
LMBers who have made the Ultimate Sacrifice in the order in which they died
Food Maker Kid – Dweezil died in the middle of battle by catching on fire, rolling down a hill and then being eaten by a Super Moby Dick of Space. However, his spirit was kept alive and reborn in the body of Donna Troy, and the two beings merged with the Spectre to become the LMBP Spectre! Of course this only happened after Jar Jar Binks and Parallax were also driven out to become Jar Jarallax. He was actually the first ever retconned in character to LMB lore, and was done so in the very first tag team thread, in a scene where one of the LMB stumbled upon “the statue of a fallen LMBer…FoodMaker Kid!”. After that, the above mentioned death (which I created—the person who created him has been forgotten, though I think it was one of the early year one posters who stopped posting soon after) was established, as well as the idea that he was a mentor to Beagle Boy (who, before having speed, had super-cooking powers). Later, during the Early Year One Road trips, the connection between him, Donna Troy and the Spectre came about on Titans World (see the Yahoo Group for the full details) in almost a surreal way—no one could have ever planned. The LMBP Spectre is currently a member of the LMBP (and poster on LW).
Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal – Another early LMB ally, this Honorary LMBer fought with them on a variety of missions before dying in battle early on. His sister, Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II carries on in his name and is also an Honorary LMBer. KGSR, of course, is another retcon, only done so four years later in “Doom of the Super-Heroes”. The character was so well liked by the then prominent LMB authors (Lardy, Lash, Kippers and Eryk) that KGSR II gained a following among them and others.
Dazzle Lass The one true love of LardLad, she finally became an LMBer after fending off Whordru, only to be killed in secret by Mordra the Harlot, the first LMB traitor. It would be weeks before she was ever recovered, and it would bring only more pain.
Tsarin Kid – The major death of Year One is Tsarin Kid, whose death pretty much puts a close on Year One and starts Year Two (a very vague transition). Tsarin, of course, is Mystery Lad and is still with us today. During this era, he became fed up with DC’s Legion and treatment of Jan and left the boards for a bit, asking his character be retired and deceased. He later returned as Mystery Lad and rejoined the LMB shenanigans. However, its become part of LMB lore that Founding LMBer Tsarin Lad died at the end of Year One, only to somehow come back as Mystery Lad (in a strangely different way) in Year Two. For the next three years he was an LMB ally until the move to Legion World where he finally rejoined the team. This is the major early death.
Globe Girl – Previously stated in this thread, Globe Girl’s very existence was in question and her story came to an end in “The Never Ending tag Thread”. Or did it? Almost all of the Year Two deaths take place in the first “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, which was essentially the end of the L* Board and the retiring of many alt IDs, as the LMB felt they were being kicked out of their home and sent to a new one.
Foxy Roxy – a prominent LMBer throughout all of Year Two, Foxy Roxy met her end here in a heroic way. A later Foxy Roxy has appeared since, but we are unsure if this is the same one, a rebooted one or even Foxy Roxy II.
Lexbose – another prominent LMBer throughout Year Two.
Silicon Sandra – A member of the LMB throughout this period, she was also connected to Globe Girl, as above states.
Super Lad Kid – Lesser known member and lurker Super Lad Kid made the ultimate sacrifice here and wasn’t seen again for three whole years! But he was somehow rebooted and is the Super Lad Kid we know today.
Legion of Super-Holograms – Not necessarily members of the LMB, the LoSH were part of the inspiration to rebirth the LMB at the close of Year Two. They were: G. Stallion (hologram of Raging Bull), Piccard’s Sexy Grandson (hologram of Seahorse) and Brad Pitt’s Sexier Brother (hologram of Lost in Lust Lad aka Terrence).
Cobalt Kid – For a long time, it was believed Cobalt Kid was among the deceased (not just a mission—a whole year). ]He’s since gotten better so doesn’t really count.
Explosion Reversal Lad – Frankie Muniz became an LMBer in a yet unrevealed story, and was with them throughout “Hot Summer Nights” battling the One Called the One and Lucifer Lass. Sadly, he was killed during this epic struggle.
Gary Coleman – Gary Coleman too made the ultimate sacrifice battling Lucifer Lass and the One Called the One.
Bowels Bursting Boy – In the ‘Super Jailhouse of Space’ Bowels Bursting Boy, only an LMB applicant joined them and tried to help overcome Odran, Lisp Lass and others, and was able to save many of them by making the ultimate sacrifice. Following this adventure, he was made an Honorary LMBer post-posthumously.
Space Tart – As the LMB found themselves at odds with internal and external threats, Space Tart made the ultimate sacrifice to send the LMB to the anti-matter universe, although it cost her her life. She’s since gotten better so this doesn’t really count.
Giant Squid – technically not an LMBer, he was a denizen of Legion World and Alt ID that believed in the LMB, and he showed true heroism in the face of danger during “The Dark Stu Saga”, although he was killed by the Royal Inquisitor.
High Priestess Viviane – Viviane was killed for a time by the Sorceress Morgause, only to finally be resurrected by her and Abin’s daughter Opal—but only when Opal paid the ultimate price. Since she got better, doesn’t really count.
Opal Jannel – the daughter of High Priestess Viviane, Opal made the ultimate sacrifice, knowing that if Morgause killed her the energies released would restore her mother to life, and thus did so to bring back The High Priestess Viviane.
Numf-El – Numf has technically at the end of ‘Dragons’, although the Ghost of Numf-El is still an active LMBer! I’m not sure if this would qualify for a statue, though probably.
KinetixZoeGreen – A former member of the LMB, KZG had been away for some time, when The Sorceress Morgause attacked her without reason and murdered her during “The Good, The Dark & The Dead”.
The Emerald Empress – Honestly, this is probably the biggest death the LMBP has ever had. Because its been permanent and is a major LMBer (re: poster or alt ID). As stated earlier in this thread, heroic LMBer The Emerald Empress made the ultimate sacrifice in “Infinite Crisis” after showing us that we all have a hero inside.
Space Ranger – This was also the most major death the LMBP had ever had with the Empress but the Ranger has since gotten better. One of the noblest LMBers to ever serve, Space Ranger also passed away during Infinite Crisis, killed by the Red Bee, after single-handedly taking down all of the villains he’d assembled. ]He’s since gotten better so doesn’t really count.
Lard Lad – Lardy died during “Five Faces of Death” only to be resurrected soon after. ]He’s since gotten better so doesn’t really count.
Virgin Lad – also known as Clive, he was formerly a Lard Lad Robot who gained sentience. Sadly, he was killed in the recent roleplay “Thyme Crime”.
Other thoughts
Faraway Lad - I always thought Faraway didn’t actually die in “Good, the Dark & the Dead” but was on the very brink of death for some time, only to be saved at literally the last minute by Pov’s pint. So essentially, Faraway Lad didn’t die.
Tomahawk & Liberty Monkey likewise didn’t die but were sent backwards in time to live out the rest of their days in the recent “Thyme Crime”.
Other noble sacrifices in LMB Lore - Invisible Brainaic of Earth-4, murdered in ‘Crisis of Earth-4!’. Also, Loser Lad, Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad of Earth-4 are all deceased. - Mean Old Hero, an older hero from a bygone era died in “The Legion of Message Board Super-Villains”. - Big Blue Mutha, one of the Primary Colors Gang, died during “The Good, The Dark and the Dead” - Openly Gad Lad, Rockhopper Lad’s boyfriend, died in “Invasion”. - Danger Damsel, one of Cobalt Kid’s operatives in other space territories died in “Omnia” - Scipio Taltarus the great war hero of the Triumvirate also died during “Omnia” - Bat-Fem, who helped Legion World after the Invasion, died during “Omnia” - Lard Lord, the evil Lard Lad from Earth-4, redeemed himself and died defending LW in “Omnia” - Gary Concord recently died in our last roleplay thread ‘Thyme Crime”
Who am I missing? I feel like there might be one or two I forgot to mention from recent roleplays, tag teams, onevisions and other events. The “Other Notables” are not LMBers, and I put the LMBers who came back in orange, so they wouldn’t have statues anymore.
Posted by SharkLad on :
Psychotic Beaver was killed by Lard Lad but came back to life thanks to the maddenites in her body ...
Posted by LardLad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: - Gary Concord recently died in our last roleplay thread ‘Thyme Crime”
Uh, pretty sure Gary didn't die--he's just trapped in the Banned'Em Zone! Unless I missed something...
Also, I'd probably include Dru the Sorceress as another notable LMB ally who was killed.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
I need information about the geography and economy of the United Planets. I don't need details about various other states, as I don't plan to touch them much in my fiction.
I probably should have asked before I started creating Nasger, but it's created so now I have to somehow have it make sense in the LMBverse. You stated in your recent story that gold isn't desired, but I have been writing exactly the opposite in my stories. I might have to do some editing sense I didn't know how much space was controlled by the major powers. I also thought that the LMBverse=DCUverse.
Wow, Cobie... belated thanks for all that awesome info!!
I've permanently shelved "Night of the Living Dead LMB" in respect to our real-life departed.
Posted by Tempest on :
I've killed myself a few too many times, it seems.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Emily Sivana: I need information about the geography and economy of the United Planets. I don't need details about various other states, as I don't plan to touch them much in my fiction.
I probably should have asked before I started creating Nasger, but it's created so now I have to somehow have it make sense in the LMBverse. You stated in your recent story that gold isn't desired, but I have been writing exactly the opposite in my stories. I might have to do some editing sense I didn't know how much space was controlled by the major powers. I also thought that the LMBverse=DCUverse.
History In terms of LMB Continuity, I suggest you read the massively huge A Written History of the LMBP and then the rest of this thread, which I do realize is a pretty big undertaking. But it will clear up quite a bit.
Also, the history of this universe is quite different than the history of the DCU. There was no JSA, instead there was a LMB type organization (see the history). There was no JLA (likewise). There was no Superman (there was Engine Joe). It goes and on. We actually have explored this a bit over the years but naturally there is plenty of room for untold histories over thousands of years.
There is a true DC Universe, however, which we call Earth-2. If you look on the wiki page, you’ll see an article about Earth-2 (which is the DCU). The Marvel U is Earth-3.
I’d be hesitant to introduce DC heroes en masse to LMB continuity simply because the LMB universe is about the LMB. So if someone introduces the Justice League, I’d probably have Cobalt Kid kick the crap out of them all (including Batman and Martian Manhunter) and then make sweet love to Wonder Woman. Why? Because our universe is about our characters. That being said, introducing a few characters here and there, piecemeal, is absolutely okay. Lardy introduced Karate Kid in his onevision “Smoke and Mirrors”, for example.
Of course, there are some duplicates where there are duplicate characters, such as Lightning Lad existing in both, and we also have a Phantom Stranger and Spectre and others. Same for Marvel, where we have a Nightcrawler and Mantis just like them. The LMB History thread will indicate what the duplicates are.
Geography In terms of the geography of the United Planets, it’s basically the entirety of known space with some borders and exceptions. I see the UP as being a collection of galaxies, not just planets in one galaxy. Let’s not limit the scope of things and be optimistic of technology! Stargates and other things probably have to do with the travel possibilities.
Every planet ever introduced in the Legion is *probably* in our UP, and every planet ever introduced in DC continuity is *probably* in our UP. However, not all DC characters have been introduced. For example, there is no Green Lantern Corps, and Abin Quank is the surviving GL.
There are also thousands of planets in the UP that are unnamed, so there is tons of room to introduce new ones, and then add in their history as you go. They could already be members or just have become members. The idea is that space is constantly being explored and new planets are joining.
Where each planet is located in terms of the others is all pretty open to interpretation. With thousands of planets in the UP, its impossible to figure out, since we could figure it out by Friday and then next week another poster introduced 12 new planets, none of which are next to one another. But basically some of the known geography of the DCU is entrenched (Imsk is near Braal, etc.), and then what we’ve established within our canon enhances that.
Earth is not a part of the UP as its been a major part of LMB lore for a long time, and I just addressed it in the Gold Watch. It may be rejoining shortly (upcoming stories will tell).
The Dark Oval is one of the major sectors of space bordering the UP and that is being addressed in the current Lord of the Oval Novella. The Dark Oval also borders the Khanate.
The Khanate of Sol Invictus is the other major sector; this was once known as the Barbarian Horde, but the barbarian planets there were all conquered and turned into the Khanate. I worked on this quite a bit in Omni, Psionic Spear and Horn of Undoing. It’s a huge mass of space with a long border on the UP. The wiki pages for the Khanate, Black Sun religion, Caracalla, Elagabolus, Barbarian Invasions all give a good history of it. Eventually I plan to continue my stories on this sector of space, likely with additional LMB authors.
There are likely additional borders other than the D.O. and Khanate since space is quite large, there is only one large border with the Khanate and D.O. and the UP is always expanding. I suspect the other far side of the UP not near the D.O. and the Khanate have no firm “border” but are expanding into unexplored areas currently.
There is also the planets that have not joined the UP but all of their surrounding planets have. Therefore, they’re a bit like how an independent city would be in the Middle Ages. Since a planet can be pretty self-sufficient, there may not be a need for them to join the UP.
Economy One can only hope that the economy one thousand years from now is based on an even better system than we have now. I firmly believe capitalism will maintain a strong presence in whatever it is, and that’s certainly been prominent in our stories. But as citizens of 2011, we all understand capitalism so its easier to write about it than some advanced system created in 2458.
We use the currency base as ‘credits’, like DC and Marvel usually have, which makes sense that the Gold Standard and other types of physical metals (or whatever) would be eliminated completely. So some form of credit/debit on a huge universal scale would exist. That isn’t to say though, that gold is useless—in my story, I implied the Gold Watch Cobalt desired was relatively worthless when viewed by a trillionaire.
I’ve always interpreted gold and silver to be valuable in the sense that they are pretty to look at. But they have no real value in terms of backing currency or being essential to the economy. But just because it has aesthetic value doesn’t mean it isn’t any less valuable. So for Cobalt Kid, who was raised on Ggrrgg, there was no gold, because Ggrrggians are a warlike society that had no practical use for gold. They would have valued something like Titanium or Admantium much more.
But I’m sure many planets would adopt the love of gold that has been prominent on Earth for thousands of years and therefore it would be still be quite a valuable item. Not just in jewelry but in adornments for great monuments, etc. In fact, all you would really is a cluster of planets with a huge desire for gold, probably all within the same vicinity of one another, which would keep the Nasger supply extremely valuable. The fact that many other sectors of space may not value gold—meaning, they’ve never considered mining for it, would be beneficial to Nassger, because it would keep the supply of the product relatively limited. So if it became a niche product for a specific customer base, Nasger could control the distribution and in a sense only gradually introduce it as a product to neighboring planets, to manipulate that planet into gaining its own love of gold. If it was a very measured and gradual approach, it would allow Nasger to maintain its monopoly on mining and harnessing the product.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Yes, I've been thinking that Red Arrow spent her adolescence on Earth-3. Though all of the backstory I added to her is on the DCU (I wrote out detailed family trees, you can see them on my facebook pate). I attempt to retcon things in order for them to make sense and it just gets worse! Though it kind of goes with the spirit of the character, she's supposed to represent bad contiunity/writers that often happens in comic books. I will address some of this stuff when I position my characters in "safe" places before I go to China.
Would an LMB villain be more likely to create a robot or clone a person?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Also, the history of this universe is quite different than the history of the DCU. There was no JSA, instead there was a LMB type organization (see the history). There was no JLA (likewise). There was no Superman (there was Engine Joe). It goes and on. We actually have explored this a bit over the years but naturally there is plenty of room for untold histories over thousands of years.
There is a true DC Universe, however, which we call Earth-2. If you look on the wiki page, you’ll see an article about Earth-2 (which is the DCU). The Marvel U is Earth-3.
To be completely fair and honest, I'd say the LMB Universe is remarkably similar to the DCU/Earth-2, certainly more similar to it than to any other fictional universes. There are more analogs to the DCU in the LMBU than any other. It's especially similar to the DCU of the 31st century as its been portrayed with many of the characters and planets shared between them.
If you substitute the LMB for the LSH, the similarities are huge. Though we've added many planets, characters and concepts to the milieu, the 31st Century DCU has always been the blueprint.
I think, however, as the LMBverse has grown, we've done more and more to distinguish the two through our mythology. If you look at the Khanate and the Dark Oval (though the latter is VERY loosely based on LSH's Dark Circle), this is a prime example of our distinguishing our galacti-political landscape from theirs.
So though the LMBverse grows more distinctive and complex as each year goes by, its very fair to say its most similar to the DCU as it appears in LSH comics.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
I've set Nasger up as a place full of magic realism and Spanish/Portuguese proverbs. The people are moderns/post-moderns in every sense of the word. Sebastian's property is in a town called Cervantes and one of his neighbors believes in Eldorado.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Cobie,
What are the different methods of time-travel that have appeared in LMB lore? Is it commonly available throughout the entire universe; is it only availabe to the LMB ala something analagous to Time Bubbles; or is it only something that a select few (via personal powers or devices) have been able to do?
I know that there are beings like the Time Trapper Mouse and Phineas B. Fuddle who are able to intrinsically accomplish it. I'm assuming that those with Kryptonian/Daxamite/Ultra powersets can do it as well (Ultra-Matt, Dev-Em?). Yellow Kid had his spin-vortex thing. I'm assuming that Young H.G. Wells must have had a device similar to the classic "time machine".
But apart from those, how has the LMB gotten around in time?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Cobie,
What has been established about the enigmatic LMBer CJ Taylor who is known as Enigma?
Posted by Dev Em on :
Ex, at his current levels, Dev Em could not manage Time Tracel on his own, but would be able to survive it unaaided if he was thrown through the time stream.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: Cobie,
What are the different methods of time-travel that have appeared in LMB lore? Is it commonly available throughout the entire universe; is it only availabe to the LMB ala something analagous to Time Bubbles; or is it only something that a select few (via personal powers or devices) have been able to do?
I know that there are beings like the Time Trapper Mouse and Phineas B. Fuddle who are able to intrinsically accomplish it. I'm assuming that those with Kryptonian/Daxamite/Ultra powersets can do it as well (Ultra-Matt, Dev-Em?). Yellow Kid had his spin-vortex thing. I'm assuming that Young H.G. Wells must have had a device similar to the classic "time machine".
But apart from those, how has the LMB gotten around in time?
Time travel in LMB lore isn’t something that has been very defined in the past, so there is plenty of room to work with. There have been several LMBers, allies and villains that have time-traveled that help sum it up:
How the LMB time-travels It’s been assumed the LMB has time-travel technology but that has never been clearly defined. Actually, its never been something all that important to LMB lore, and so, there is an argument to be made that the LMB does not have time bubble technology. The LMB’s inspiration, Engine Joe (the “Superman” of the LMB universe from the 20th – 21st century) was the one who time-traveled to the future, not the other way around.
The super-esque powered LMBers (Daxamites, Kryptonians, etc.) also have never shown the ability to time-travel with their powers, so I would say they do not have that ability. So Space Ranger, Ultra Matt, Dev Em, etc, probably can’t time travel on their own.
Yellow Kid has his own ability to time-travel using his powers (the spin-vortex thingy). His most famous usage of this was probably when he tried to recruit Superboy (from another universe) in “The Good, the Dark and the Dead”.
The Faraway Lad’s are like the Flashes of the LMB universe in regard to multiple worlds, being the only beings that can travel between them with their own powers. So there is a case to be made that Faraway Lad could also travel through time (I’ll leave that up to him).
There is also the idea that the magic-using LMBers can time-travel with their powers, but that’s always been something I’m not sold on.
Despite the lack of time-traveling capabilities, LMBers do find themselves traveling through time through odd means. For instance, I believe its canon that Eryk Davis Ester, Shark Lad and Cobalt Kid are all honorary members of Jason’s Argonauts in ancient Greece through a tag team a few years ago. I know I consider it Cobalt Kid canon. It’s also canon that Cobalt Kid often travels to the 41st Century to work with a young teenage superteam (I think that’s a reference by Eryk—it wasn’t by me, so I can’t remember the name of the team).
The LMB have also met the various “past versions” of themselves like the JSMBP (Justice Society of Message Board Posters) and LMB Experience, etc. The LMB History has them all written out (I’m too lazy to check).
LMB Allies The only major LMB ally that travels through time regularly is Time Boy, who is young H.G. Wells. He travels from the 19th century to the 31st century but has all kinds of adventures in between (his wiki page has more info on him). The assumption is he figured out a way to travel from the 19th century to the 31st using 19th century tech, but destroyed it in the process. Once in the 31st Century, the LMBers gave him advanced future tech he used to create his time traveling device.
So the implication is there that the LMBers provided Time Boy with the means to time travel. One could assume this was done by the variety of super-geniuses in the LMB: Tamper Lad, Reboot, Mystery Lad, etc.
LMB Enemies There are three major time traveling enemies of the LMB:
The first is the Time Mouse Trapper, who is like the Time Trapper in his complete mastery over time. The implication is he is so far advanced, we don’t understand how it works.
The second is Phineas B. Fuddle, whose time travel capabilities are actually quite different than just traveling through time, and I think you’ve got quite a good handle on his abilities.
The third is the Arch Duke of Time, who is Cobalt Kid’s son that was taken by the Time Mouse Trapper and raised many centuries later (the 65th Century? I have to check). He’s a bit like the Lord of Time, but its implied that his time traveling abilities come from finding a way to tap into the same methods of the Time Mouse Trapper—in other words, he only travels through time because of the TMT and wouldn’t have been able to do it on his own. I used the Arch Duke a bit in my onevisions “The Psionic Spear” and “The Horn of Undoing” after many years of just referencing him.
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I may have left out some more. I know Pagan Lass and Stoopid Cat, along with Stu, have deep connections to Ancient Pre-Egypt that Abin established, but a lot of that is mainly because Pagan & Stoopid Cat were born then and lived extremely long lives to the present day.
The short answer is, time travel isn’t something easily done even in the 31st century and very few people can do it.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Cobie,
What has been established about the enigmatic LMBer CJ Taylor who is known as Enigma?
The LMBer known as CJ Taylor has long been a mystery on Legion World!
Initially during his earliest days, there were claims that he was a lost clone of Eryk Davis Ester, or an Alt ID of Eryk. These claims were eventually disproven. This caused some long time LMBers with insight into other mysteries (aka, Cobie) to make a connection between CJ and the Lardy / Eryk / Lucy bloodline and theorize a possible connection.
Meanwhile, CJ's origin and powers are even more mysterious. The fact that years later the LMB still doesn't understand these things make the codename given to him, Enigma, all the more appropriate.
One might ask: what, pray tell, is it that keeps CJ such an important part of the LMB then? If no one knows his powers, and no one knows where he comes from, how has he managed to be an important part of the organiation for all these years? The answer to that, I'm afraid, is speculation. There must be at least one or more long time, highly regarded LMBers that have purposely and possibly forcibly kept CJ on the team and dismissed others questions. This high-ranking LMB has by-passed protocol and ensured CJ is well-placed in the time no matter who the leader is at any given moment.
One would think then that this long time, rule-breaking, manipulative LMBer may know something about CJ Taylor that he hasn't told the others, though he clearly has the support of the Legion World Founders and some other imporant LMBers like Spellbinder and Eryk Davis Ester.
Where would this LMBer have gotten information on CJ? If not from CJ himself, either through a high-ranking spy/security position like the Chief of Security, or even through covert operations in other cultures. Or even through an ancient discovery in a far away land by the Space Knights Templar?
Could CJ Taylor be possibly the single most important LMBer of them all?
Yes, there is a dark secret indeed in the LMB. Posted by Emily Sivana on :
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: ...But apart from those, how has the LMB gotten around in time? [/QB]
Red Arrow/some of her family might be able to help your characters out. Like all good comic book scientists, they break the laws of physics. Not always without glitches (Red Arrow's memory problems are a direct result of inter-dimensional travel) but they do exist.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: LMB Enemies There are three major time traveling enemies of the LMB:
The first is the Time Mouse Trapper, who is like the Time Trapper in his complete mastery over time. The implication is he is so far advanced, we don’t understand how it works.
The second is Phineas B. Fuddle, whose time travel capabilities are actually quite different than just traveling through time, and I think you’ve got quite a good handle on his abilities.
The third is the Arch Duke of Time, who is Cobalt Kid’s son that was taken by the Time Mouse Trapper and raised many centuries later (the 65th Century? I have to check). He’s a bit like the Lord of Time, but its implied that his time traveling abilities come from finding a way to tap into the same methods of the Time Mouse Trapper—in other words, he only travels through time because of the TMT and wouldn’t have been able to do it on his own. I used the Arch Duke a bit in my onevisions “The Psionic Spear” and “The Horn of Undoing” after many years of just referencing him.
I'll be damned if a war between these three (with the LMB caught in the middle, of course) wouldn't make for a magnificent roleplay/epic story! We gotta put that on the LMB bucket list!
Posted by Power Boy on :
maybe due to a power vaccum created by the defeat of the Dark Lord of the Oval!
Posted by Power Boy on :
Pb has a mother box that allows him to travel through space/dimensions/time by creating a Boom Tube because of its connection to the 'source' but i prefer 'cosmic energy' or something like that rather than some sort of metaphysical nonsense. He dosn't know how to use the Mother Box, so it only occurs during times of great need like .... escaping to this lovely dimension, or pursuing the red bee.
Eventually, in maturity Pb may be able to travel through space/time on his own through energy manipulation or psionic means. very far away though.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
That's very interesting! When I roleplayed as Little Barda, she became sort of a deus ex machina because of the Mother Box. In some ways it was annoying, but in other ways it was fun because I got pull out Doom Tubes and other obscure Fourth World references.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: LMB Enemies There are three major time traveling enemies of the LMB:
The first is the Time Mouse Trapper, who is like the Time Trapper in his complete mastery over time. The implication is he is so far advanced, we don’t understand how it works.
The second is Phineas B. Fuddle, whose time travel capabilities are actually quite different than just traveling through time, and I think you’ve got quite a good handle on his abilities.
The third is the Arch Duke of Time, who is Cobalt Kid’s son that was taken by the Time Mouse Trapper and raised many centuries later (the 65th Century? I have to check). He’s a bit like the Lord of Time, but its implied that his time traveling abilities come from finding a way to tap into the same methods of the Time Mouse Trapper—in other words, he only travels through time because of the TMT and wouldn’t have been able to do it on his own. I used the Arch Duke a bit in my onevisions “The Psionic Spear” and “The Horn of Undoing” after many years of just referencing him.
I'll be damned if a war between these three (with the LMB caught in the middle, of course) wouldn't make for a magnificent roleplay/epic story! We gotta put that on the LMB bucket list!
That could be a ton of fun! A lighter story arc following the heavy Novella could be a nice chance too.
Really good, fun idea!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Yeah, we could play with alternate timelines a little more like we touched on in Thyme Crime, but more complex and involved than in that scenario. It could be fun! Posted by Power Boy on :
@ CK and LL --> SQUEEEEEEE!!
Posted by Power Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Emily Sivana: That's very interesting! When I roleplayed as Little Barda, she became sort of a deus ex machina because of the Mother Box. In some ways it was annoying, but in other ways it was fun because I got pull out Doom Tubes and other obscure Fourth World references.
exactly, im actually really enjoying the physical aspects of his powers, and don't really understand the tech of the mother box to write it well ... so i've kinda written it out. i like him at the power level he is ... don't want him to become a character that can basically undo everything with a wave of his hands or a pop back in time courtesy of the mother box. it is a get out of jail free card if its needed, but its more fun to try and live without it.
unfortunately, its fairly integral to his origin. Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: @ CK and LL --> SQUEEEEEEE!!
Wow! I don't think I've ever been the object of a *squee*!
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Power Boy: I like the Kirby Machines, it's part of who Power Boy is. Like Question Lad is Ditko-derived, so therefore he is politically aware.
Everyone: As for humor, I am always up for parodying popular culture and fourth wall breaking. My characters suffer tremendously due to my tendency to retcon, so they show a degree of comic awareness. I like Deadpool, Yugioh Abridged, I'm a Marvel I'm A DC, etc.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: maybe due to a power vaccum created by the defeat of the Dark Lord of the Oval!
So...we're gonna win?!?!
Posted by Power Boy on :
well, my second thought was ....
Pb is going to be around after the Dark Oval, right guys? right?
uh .......
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Well, judging by the fiction you are basing the main plot upon, there should be only one/two deaths of a major character if you are more or less following the books exactly (and you seem to be).
As for what I am working on with Abin Quank, I'm hoping to go for something relevant and realistic.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Em, we won't be following the books too closely, just in the thematic sense of the quest.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Oh, there are other definite, deliberate parallels to LotR beyond the Quest themes. I mean we have a Dark Lord, a big firey Eye and a few other things going on. But mostly, this story is its own thing, and that will become more and more apparent.
Posted by Power Boy on :
like ... EVERYBODY dies. for example.
oh and there's that whole destruction of Legion World thing I've got a rough draft for.
..... just kidding.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Or is he? Mwah-ha-ha-ha!
Seriously, don't think we won't set you up to think one thing is gonna happen, then drop a huge TURD on your expectations! Posted by Dev Em on :
Ya'll have no idea...well Cobie does, but I had to tell someone.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Well, 'long as we know who your favorite is, Dev...
That said, it looks like Lucy and I will throw you all a bit of a curveball rilly soonlike! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
There's an awful lot of secrets around here!
All will be revealed though and we'll have to wait and see! I have two nice surprises coming very shortly (not major ones but good ones I think) and many more bigger ones to come.
Posted by Dev Em on :
Oh Lardy...we have our own secrets. Posted by Lard Lad on :
Yeah, I guess we do at that, Dev.... Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Even though I am going to be in China for two weeks, I do not want what I am currently working with Abin Quank on to grind to a halt. I think you can all able to cooperate and we'll have an interesting story. I'm having fun seeing other people write my characters.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Em, I'm sure by the time you come back from China you won't have missed too much and the Novella will still be going full steam ahead. It looks like this is going to take not only many weeks, but several months, which is totally fine by me. There is still *so much* to do on the quest!
So I wouldn't be worried, you're storylines should be moving along at a solid pace for your return.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
That's good to know. The funnest part for me is creating fictional towns, like Charltonburg and Tezukaville. It's fun to research the place names and figure out geography. I'm also hoping to flesh out Britonopolis more in terms of geography. To me a setting is very important.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Cobie,
What is the deal with people named "Helen"?
I'm starting to read the Dark Oval story and not a page in I've got Lardy's daughter, Helena Taylor; her guardian Helen (I think from the wiki that's got to be Hermaphrodite Helen); Lolita's friend, Helena Handbasket; and Weber's World Ambassador Mirenna Helene. Throw in the fact that Shark Lad was created by Dr. Helena Aurelius and I've got to ask:
Is this some old in-joke (30 Helens Agree maybe?), or is "Helen" just the most popular name in the 31st century?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Not to mention the fourway Cobie once had with Helen Mirren, Helen Keller, and Helen of Troy!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I suspect Helen is the 31st century equivalent of Mary / Maria in the middle ages!
What's funny is all of those characters were for the most part created by different people at different times, completely separate (except of course Helen Taylor and her mother, whom she's named after).
I guess the most popular male name is...Michael and it's variations? Surely it is now among children, named after Lash!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Ps - I can't wait for the story where I seduce Helen of Troy and our Bronze Age allies invade the 31st century!
(Eryk and Cobie and Sharky are honorary Argonauts).
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
What in general is the tone of LMB stories?
Posted by Future on :
Dear Cobie,
Am I still in continuity? Or was that all just an imaginary tale?
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Could you talk to me more about what the LMB envisions Earth to be like in a 1000 years? Not just America, but other countries.
Posted by Exnihil on :
OK... I've been trying to figure out the relationships of the "Quank Clan" and the below is what I came up with. The question (for anybody that wants to clarify) is... is this right?:
Pre Egyptian roots:
Numbnuts the Semi-Incomprehensible - ancient Pre-Egyptian mage under whom STU was an apprentice; concubine of the goddess Bast Pagan Lass - Daughter of Bast and Numbnuts; also a Pre-Egyptian mage and Abin's late wife Stoopid Cat - Pagan Lass's familiar
Abin and his family:
Abin Quank - Legion World janitor and Green Lantern, as mentioned above, widowed. Space Ranger - Bart (does he have a last name/is it also "Quank"?) Abin's brother Everyday Girl - Brittney, Abin's adopted grandaughter. Security Officer - armed with 9 mill Berettas
Everyday Girl's background:
- EG was originally the daughter of Faraway Lad - until history was rewritten during the LMB Infinite Crisis
- She then became the daughter of Hrun the Barbarian (himself the son of a time-traveling Matlock) and Princess Diana of Vallhalia (Pagan Lass's daughter from a previous marriage);
-In both scenarios she was placed in the care of Abin and Pagan Lass for protection
My Whee Fem - Everyday Girl's half Korean/half Phillipino former bunkmate at the Legion World Orphanage; Security Office receptionist - deadly with butterfly knives Sam Pureheart - EG's Boyfriend; Medicus Two EMT Nobody and Noone - EG's invisible "Cackles" - demonic sprites that help her out
Other characters:
Slim: Bartender with a vendetta against Cobalt Kid; once imprisoned Stoopid Cat and Pagan Lass Lonestar: Space Ranger's former ranger collegue; now deceased Gary Concord: Also deceased; but I have no idea what his story was
So... questions:
- Is the above correct? - Who else is missing? - What was the deal with Gary Concord? - Is the real-life Abin a genius... a madman... or both?
[ August 03, 2011, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Exnihil ]
Posted by Lard Lad on :
(I know some of these answers, but I love to see Cobie spin his wheels... )
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
In the Dark Opal thread, Everyday Girl (I think this was in response to Emily's pedigree, which I shared with Abin Quank) told Red Arrow about her heritage. I interpreted what was written to mean that she was their biological granddaughter.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Thanks, Emily - I totally overlooked the Dark Oval stuff. I edited my above post to reflect the fact that:
- Numbnuts was the concubine of Bast - Pagan Lass was Numbnuts's daughter - Everyday Girl's mother's actually was Pagan Lass's daughter
So while she is Pagan Lass's biological grandaughter, she isn't Abin's. I'm not sure how the "Orphanage" fits in. Maybe she was briefly there before Abin and PL took custody of her, and that's how she knows My Whee Fem.
All I know is that the more I read about "My"... the more I want to read. She seems like a totally cool, mostly untapped character.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
You are welcome! I hope we can cooperate on stories together soon. I really want to get some LMB stuff out before the next semester begins.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Emily Sivana: What in general is the tone of LMB stories?
It varies story to story, sometimes light-hearted, sometimes serious and often a combo of both that's for some reason seems to work well!
quote:Originally posted by Future: Dear Cobie,
Am I still in continuity? Or was that all just an imaginary tale?
Certainly! The question is--where have you been, on some secret mission? In the future?!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: OK... I've been trying to figure out the relationships of the "Quank Clan" and the below is what I came up with. The question (for anybody that wants to clarify) is... is this right?:
Pre Egyptian roots:
Numbnuts the Semi-Incomprehensible - ancient Pre-Egyptian mage under whom STU was an apprentice; concubine of the goddess Bast Pagan Lass - Daughter of Bast and Numbnuts; also a Pre-Egyptian mage and Abin's late wife Stoopid Cat - Pagan Lass's familiar
Abin and his family:
Abin Quank - Legion World janitor and Green Lantern, as mentioned above, widowed. Space Ranger - Bart (does he have a last name/is it also "Quank"?) Abin's brother Everyday Girl - Brittney, Abin's adopted grandaughter. Security Officer - armed with 9 mill Berettas
Everyday Girl's background:
- EG was originally the daughter of Faraway Lad - until history was rewritten during the LMB Infinite Crisis
- She then became the daughter of Hrun the Barbarian (himself the son of a time-traveling Matlock) and Princess Diana of Vallhalia (Pagan Lass's daughter from a previous marriage);
-In both scenarios she was placed in the care of Abin and Pagan Lass for protection
My Whee Fem - Everyday Girl's half Korean/half Phillipino former bunkmate at the Legion World Orphanage; Security Office receptionist - deadly with butterfly knives Sam Pureheart - EG's Boyfriend; Medicus Two EMT Nobody and Noone - EG's invisible "Cackles" - demonic sprites that help her out
Other characters:
Slim: Bartender with a vendetta against Cobalt Kid; once imprisoned Stoopid Cat and Pagan Lass Lonestar: Space Ranger's former ranger collegue; now deceased Gary Concord: Also deceased; but I have no idea what his story was
So... questions:
- Is the above correct? - Who else is missing? - What was the deal with Gary Concord? - Is the real-life Abin a genius... a madman... or both?
I’ll start with your last question: YES! To both! Abin is both a genius and a madman, chock full of zillions of ideas, often crazy and often brilliant. He’s part-Grant Morrison, part-Jack Kirby and part George Carlin. In real life he looks like a cross between Indiana Jones and his father as played by Sean Connery.
I’ve been writing with Abin for several years now and know him well—and we’ve often trusted each other with our various characters over the years so we both recognize we ‘get’ each other’s characters. We both came to Legion World around the same time. You have a really good handle on his characters so I’ll fill in some gaps for you.
Rather than just list it in an easy to read way, I’ll be a pain in the ass and turn it into a narrative. (Hey, it’s my thread after all).
New Kid & Space Ranger Abin joined LW in the late Summer / Fall 2003 a few months after its formation and hadn’t really interacted with the LMB much before. He joined under the name “New Kid”, since he was basically the new kid on the block. He kind of dove right in. At that point in time, LMB roleplaying was totally rampant on the MMB with probably 30+ posters roleplaying every day, with everyone having an Alt ID. It was a crazy time (as the LMB History thread gets into). The evolution of Abin’s username from “New Kid” to “Abin Quank” is covered earlier in this thread but I’ll get into it as we go.
“New Kid” took on the personality of being a bit of an annoyance, and his power became “super annoyance”. As this started to develop and Abin jumped into roleplaying he also created his first alt ID, Space Ranger. This coincided with what was happening on the MMB at the time, namely the various “conspiracies” that included Winema Wazzo, Tarik the Mute’s Academy and allegations against Crujectra and EDE. Basically, the storyline was New Kid contacted his brother, who was an intergalactic Space Ranger and former protégé of Buck Rogers, to clean up Legion World. Thus Space Ranger showed up and instantly was a hit. In fact, he’s my favorite alt of all-time.
What Chuck did was make Space Ranger totally over the top in his black & white views. He had instant run-ins with the Emerald Empress, who he believed was a villain (she had reformed) and also several other LMBers, like Semi-Transparent Fellow, Vee, Arachne and Icefyre. So he wasn’t an LMBer and wasn’t a bad guy. He was a Daxamite early on. It was also established that he was a polygamist with two Carrgitte wives (ipso facto six wives)—I’m not sure if that bit is still in continuity.
It was at this time that I joined Legion World and in a period of 2-3 crazy nights, which are all explained in the history of the LMB thread, Cobalt Kid and Space Ranger launched the Security Office to combat Thora’s invasion. For Ranger, this meant ultimately coming to an understanding with the LMB and joining the organization. Early on, the Ranger was a bit of a player too, having relationships with Emerald Empress, Mantis and other Alt ID’s (as did Cobie, which gave the Security Office its notorious reputation).
The key Space Ranger story is “Ms. Grundy Comes to SHAKES”. Space Ranger’s kidnapping also spurred “The Assault on Thora”, a major tag thread at the time.
“New Kid” (re: Abin) became “Almost New Kid” for awhile, and then eventually “Almost But Not Quite New Kid”. Tag Threads were rampant during this time period (late 2003 – early 2004) and Abin, myself and others were posting in all of them, so several of us began to shorten it to ABNQNK when we writing his name.
The most important tag thread at the time was the “Ongoing Tag Thread” which ended up being something like a whopping 35 pages or so. The first 10 pages had tons and tons of authors contributing; the main two were probably Abin and myself. During this tag thread Chuck created dozens of characters. These included two that stand out above the rest: Something Amazing, an independent superhero; and Everyday Girl in her first appearance. Much like Jailbait Lass/Lolita, Everyday Girl began her career as a “Gen-Car” (general character), a non-Alt ID member of the LMB that would show up repeatedly in stories. At that time, her family history was not revealed; she actually began as a replacement for Leap Year Lass (note the similarity to names) because I told Chuck that Teeds didn’t like when posters included her in tag team threads without her express permission.
In the Ongoing Tag Thread, the final evolution of Abin’s name took place: Numf-El joined Chuck, Invisible Brainiac and myself as the fourth major author of the thread (it eventually became just the four of posting huge arcs) and was instantly hilarious. He did a bit where his character, who spoke with a crazy Scottish accent, met Almost But Not Quite New Kid and said “ABNQNK? WTF? What’s that, Abin Quank?” or something like that. And instantly, Chuck was rechristened as Abin Quank. I jumped all over it and in the next post established that Abin Quank had a Green Lantern ring as supplied by Cobalt Kid (never explained how I got it); we also established there was only one Green Lantern left in the universe(s).
Chuck also created Golden Girl, a villainess who was the mother of Cobalt’s baby, Numf-El (its complicated).
Stoopid Cat and Pagan Lass With Abin Quank and Space Ranger fully created, Chuck began the next phase of his madness on the MMB. He already had established Abin was the LW Janitor (thus absent mindedly causing LMBers all kinds of grief) and Space Ranger was renowned for busting people’s balls when they stepped over the line. Now he took it one step further and introduced Stoopid Cat, based on his wife’s real life cat, who somehow seemed to cause all sorts of trouble. Little known fact: in the early days, both Stu and I had access to Stoopid Cat as an alt ID.
Stoopid Cat got into all sorts of shenanigans, including having a longtime grudge with Hrun the Barbarian, who also came to Legion World at this time (kicking off the long-standing relationship between the House of Quank with Hrun).
During the Alt ID Rebellion, Abin had a temporary Alt whose name escapes me, but itw as a doctor who was bent on capturing Stoopid Cat. Also noteworthy is Space Ranger was the villain behind the Rebellion and was put on the shelf for a time.
Abin then used that alt to create Pagan Lass for his wife Alice. He then wrote up the backstory with Pagan, Stoopid Cat (her familiar), Numbnuts, Bast and others in the Ongoing Tag thread and elsewhere—all of which you have broken down pretty well. There is also the 1950’s super-team Abin created The Justice Society of Message Board Posters, which included Pagan Lass and Stoopid Cat during their lives in that century (not to be confused with Faraway Lad’s Justice Society of Message Board Posters in the 1940’s). You see, Pagan & Stoopid had lived all the way through to the 31st century every year along the way. Among Abin’s JSMBP is my personal favorite character, Cloned Green Pig.
Pagan Lass was established to be married to Abin Quank, though no one could tell why. It had also been established earlier that Space Ranger was Abin’s adopted brother (and thus, his last name is not Quank).
For a long period of time, the House of Quank was Abin, Space Ranger, Pagan Lass and Stoopid Cat.
Also noteworthy In “The Good, the Dark and the Dead”, an important plot point is Matlock is revealed to be Hrun’s father via time travel. They have a huge knockdown dragout fight at the close.
Everyday Girl EDG, as previously mentioned, was a Gen-Car Abin created in the Ongoing Tag Thread. He also had created the Gen-Car My Whee Fem as the Security Office’s receptionist, though that was about all that was known about her for a long while. Sometime between “The Good, the Dark and the Dead” and “Infinite Crisis”, Abin decided to upgrade Everyday Girl to Alt ID status.
In quintessential Chuck fashion, he made Everyday Girl way over the top in her naïve valley girl personality, purposely “bothering” posters with her. This was hilarious with some of the newer posters at the time, such as Tamper Lad.
EDG was revealed then to be Abin & Pagan’s granddaughter, but that was it. She joined the Security Office and in a twist, her family would try to keep her away from dangerous missions, but Cobalt Kid saw something in her and would give her tough missions despite their protests. She became one of the major mainstays of the OoS.
In “Infinite Crisis”, the House of Quank had a major change as the Red Bee killed Space Ranger. Everyday Girl took it the hardest and brought the Red Bee down and thereafter tried to take on Space Ranger’s role in the OoS. Another major revelation was Everyday Girl’s father was revealed to be Hrun the Barbarian (and ipso facto, her grandfather is Matlock, making her have the best LMB pedigree of us all). I’m not sure about Faraway Lad originally intending to be her father as I can’t recall off the top of my head, but I believe it if you read it in the thread.
Princess Diana of Vallhalia was not mentioned right away and I think it was years before her name was ever revealed. She was the daughter of Pagan through a previous marriage (possibly not even a marriage, as that is also unrevealed) and its unclear how old she is (remember Pagan is thousands of years old). I thought I remembered Numbnuts at one point possibly being the father, though his name suggests otherwise. We’ve never actually “seen” her before; there is certainly a great story to be told there. Hrun has mentioned her in passing a few times but never with any real clarity.
EDG has two ‘cacks’ (a race created by Abin), one who is a mini-EDE and one who is a mini-Cobie. These are Nobody and Noone. This actually ties into a subplot created by Eryk years earlier totally by accident, as he had introduced a mini-EDE called Nobody. It must be fate.
EDG is of great important but its unclear why at this point. Only that there is something of great important in her future.
My Whee Fem, Gary Concord and others Over the next few years some other major changes occurred:
My Whee Fem was upgraded to Alt ID from Gen-Car in one of the Roleplays (possibly Five Faces of Death), at the same time that Jailbait Lass / Lolita was. The three girls, all best friends, then became a trio who worked together. My stopped being the receptionist at the OoS and became a sword-wielding, ass-kicker with a good sense of humor. She was also the most ‘normal’ of the Quank’s in terms of personality.
Much later, My Whee Fem was revealed to be a Cack herself, IIRC. Abin may have to correct me. This came about because Abin was stretched pretty thin with more characters than available Alts and so he took My Whee Fem off the board; this subplot explained why. Eventually she came back during Thyme Crime.
Gary Concord, the Ultra Man was a character Abin created during Space Ranger’s death. He was an antagonist for the LMB though never an outright villain. He entered into an alliance with Lonestar and Frio (when she turned evil) against the LMB but actually sided with the good guys when Frio went on to join the Five Faces of Death, which were true evil enemies of the LMB. So he worked against the LMB but never when it caused harm to anyone but the LMB. He had his own noble code. He and Frio had a brief, doomed romance.
Abin himself can explain Gary’s story better than I can. Ultimately, he was another version of Cobalt Kid which explains their mutual animosity for one another; both saw the other as their worst versions of each other. It relates to Stu’s plotlines (the Banned ‘Em Zone) and some of Abin’s other plots, In the end, Gary made the ultimate sacrifice to save the LMB during Thyme Crime. He was actually an alt on Legion World for quite a number of years so it was a big death for our continuity.
Lonestar Ranger was not an Alt ID of Abin’s, but actually one of mine! After Space Ranger died, I tried to create an opposite type Space Ranger character (this one of the Dark Oval), who was a pure opportunist. He was introduced in Invasion to not be a main villain, but someone to complicate the story and confuse matters, while raising tension. After Invasion he stuck around on Legion World trying to find ways to enrich himself and ultimately was killed by Frio. When Shenu (one of the Five Faces of Death) resurrected a bunch of corpses, I used it as an opportunity to play a zombie Lonestar “The Reanimated Corpse of Lonestar Ranger” but that didn’t last. Ultimately, I traded Lonestar to another poster, who has never used the Alt since.
During Five Faces of Death, Abin also created Slim who had immense cosmic powers via his bar “Club Cobalt in Chains”. He has a huge grudge against Cobalt because his planet was wiped out by a mercenary force who was working with the UP and the Triumvirate years earlier, and blames Cobalt for allowing it to happen (actually claiming Cobalt knew it was going to happen). His entire family was wiped out. Following FFoD, Slim disappeared, unable to capture Cobalt, though he did appear once again briefly, asking Faraway Lad (then leader) to investigate Cobie. Ultimately he disappeared again soon after. There is an unfinished plotline there.
Zardi showed up about two years ago and currently has a giant island floating over Legion World. That plotline is ongoing.
Sam Pureheart is a young paramedic who is also Everyday Girl’s boyfriend (now that she’s gotten older). He appears to be a very lawful and good person; Cobalt has given him a hard time, either because he’s looking out for EDG (as some believe) or actually mistrusts him, which he claims.
Abin Quank also went from janitor to gazillionare during this time.
Space Ranger came back from the grave, ultimately to be revealed as never having died per a secret plan by Cobalt Kid and Doctor One.
Pagan Lass died in 2010 both in real life and in LMB continuity and will be missed.
Following Pagan’s death, Stoopid Cat also left the LMB, as he was her familiar. It appears his departure is permanent.
The House of Quank is now Abin Quank, Space Ranger, Everyday Girl, My Whee Fem, plus Sam Pureheart and Zardi. Abin has dozens (if not more) characters that aren’t alts but Gen-Cars, scattered through almost 10 years of continuity that I’m sure will pop up eventually. The two of us having been working on a subplot for over two years that we keep coming back to, for instance.
Hope that helps. If you have specific questions, let me know!
Posted by Exnihil on :
Thank, Cobie! That is awesomely thorough!
The Faraway/Hrun thing as EDG's father was just a brief bit in the LMB Infinite Crisis where Faraway shows up and says something like, "My daughter... at last we are reunited" and just as EDG goes, "Daddy!" suddenly there is a time blip and Hrun shows up saying the same thing. EDG is then like, "Daddy #2!". It looks like that was the timeline that stuck.
And my total favorite thing about the Quank saga is the creation of My Whee Fem - which is absolutely a testament to Abin's creativity. I think I saw this on the Tag Team thread, but she was actually the result of one of your spelling mistakes.
You meant to say "Help me!" to EDG, but instead mis-typed, "Help my". Without missing a beat, EDG said... "My? You mean My Whee Fem - my long lost Korean-Phillipino friend who doesn't shoot well, but is great with knives? Of course I'll help her!"
Just awesome.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
About Gary Concord, I mentioned this earlier in the thread:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: - Gary Concord recently died in our last roleplay thread ‘Thyme Crime”
Uh, pretty sure Gary didn't die--he's just trapped in the Banned'Em Zone! Unless I missed something...
Also, I'd probably include Dru the Sorceress as another notable LMB ally who was killed.
Pretty sure he's not dead but trapped as I remember it. Am I wrong? Posted by Abin Quank on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: OK... I've been trying to figure out the relationships of the "Quank Clan" and the below is what I came up with. The question (for anybody that wants to clarify) is... is this right?:
Pre Egyptian roots:
Numbnuts the Semi-Incomprehensible - ancient Pre-Egyptian mage under whom STU was an apprentice; concubine of the goddess Bast Pagan Lass - Daughter of Bast and Numbnuts; also a Pre-Egyptian mage and Abin's late wife Stoopid Cat - Pagan Lass's familiar
Abin and his family:
Abin Quank - Legion World janitor and Green Lantern, as mentioned above, widowed. Space Ranger - Bart (does he have a last name/is it also "Quank"?) Abin's brother Everyday Girl - Brittney, Abin's adopted grandaughter. Security Officer - armed with 9 mill Berettas
Everyday Girl's background:
- EG was originally the daughter of Faraway Lad - until history was rewritten during the LMB Infinite Crisis
- She then became the daughter of Hrun the Barbarian (himself the son of a time-traveling Matlock) and Princess Diana of Vallhalia (Pagan Lass's daughter from a previous marriage);
-In both scenarios she was placed in the care of Abin and Pagan Lass for protection
My Whee Fem - Everyday Girl's half Korean/half Phillipino former bunkmate at the Legion World Orphanage; Security Office receptionist - deadly with butterfly knives Sam Pureheart - EG's Boyfriend; Medicus Two EMT Nobody and Noone - EG's invisible "Cackles" - demonic sprites that help her out
Other characters:
Slim: Bartender with a vendetta against Cobalt Kid; once imprisoned Stoopid Cat and Pagan Lass Lonestar: Space Ranger's former ranger collegue; now deceased Gary Concord: Also deceased; but I have no idea what his story was
So... questions:
- Is the above correct? - Who else is missing? - What was the deal with Gary Concord? - Is the real-life Abin a genius... a madman... or both?
I’ll start with your last question: YES! To both! Abin is both a genius and a madman, chock full of zillions of ideas, often crazy and often brilliant. He’s part-Grant Morrison, part-Jack Kirby and part George Carlin. In real life he looks like a cross between Indiana Jones and his father as played by Sean Connery.
I’ve been writing with Abin for several years now and know him well—and we’ve often trusted each other with our various characters over the years so we both recognize we ‘get’ each other’s characters. We both came to Legion World around the same time. You have a really good handle on his characters so I’ll fill in some gaps for you.
Rather than just list it in an easy to read way, I’ll be a pain in the ass and turn it into a narrative. (Hey, it’s my thread after all).
New Kid & Space Ranger Abin joined LW in the late Summer / Fall 2003 a few months after its formation and hadn’t really interacted with the LMB much before. He joined under the name “New Kid”, since he was basically the new kid on the block. He kind of dove right in. At that point in time, LMB roleplaying was totally rampant on the MMB with probably 30+ posters roleplaying every day, with everyone having an Alt ID. It was a crazy time (as the LMB History thread gets into). The evolution of Abin’s username from “New Kid” to “Abin Quank” is covered earlier in this thread but I’ll get into it as we go.
“New Kid” took on the personality of being a bit of an annoyance, and his power became “super annoyance”. As this started to develop and Abin jumped into roleplaying he also created his first alt ID, Space Ranger. This coincided with what was happening on the MMB at the time, namely the various “conspiracies” that included Winema Wazzo, Tarik the Mute’s Academy and allegations against Crujectra and EDE. Basically, the storyline was New Kid contacted his brother, who was an intergalactic Space Ranger and former protégé of Buck Rogers, to clean up Legion World. Thus Space Ranger showed up and instantly was a hit. In fact, he’s my favorite alt of all-time.
What Chuck did was make Space Ranger totally over the top in his black & white views. He had instant run-ins with the Emerald Empress, who he believed was a villain (she had reformed) and also several other LMBers, like Semi-Transparent Fellow, Vee, Arachne and Icefyre. So he wasn’t an LMBer and wasn’t a bad guy. He was a Daxamite early on. It was also established that he was a polygamist with two Carrgitte wives (ipso facto six wives)—I’m not sure if that bit is still in continuity.
It was at this time that I joined Legion World and in a period of 2-3 crazy nights, which are all explained in the history of the LMB thread, Cobalt Kid and Space Ranger launched the Security Office to combat Thora’s invasion. For Ranger, this meant ultimately coming to an understanding with the LMB and joining the organization. Early on, the Ranger was a bit of a player too, having relationships with Emerald Empress, Mantis and other Alt ID’s (as did Cobie, which gave the Security Office its notorious reputation).
The key Space Ranger story is “Ms. Grundy Comes to SHAKES”. Space Ranger’s kidnapping also spurred “The Assault on Thora”, a major tag thread at the time.
“New Kid” (re: Abin) became “Almost New Kid” for awhile, and then eventually “Almost But Not Quite New Kid”. Tag Threads were rampant during this time period (late 2003 – early 2004) and Abin, myself and others were posting in all of them, so several of us began to shorten it to ABNQNK when we writing his name.
The most important tag thread at the time was the “Ongoing Tag Thread” which ended up being something like a whopping 35 pages or so. The first 10 pages had tons and tons of authors contributing; the main two were probably Abin and myself. During this tag thread Chuck created dozens of characters. These included two that stand out above the rest: Something Amazing, an independent superhero; and Everyday Girl in her first appearance. Much like Jailbait Lass/Lolita, Everyday Girl began her career as a “Gen-Car” (general character), a non-Alt ID member of the LMB that would show up repeatedly in stories. At that time, her family history was not revealed; she actually began as a replacement for Leap Year Lass (note the similarity to names) because I told Chuck that Teeds didn’t like when posters included her in tag team threads without her express permission.
In the Ongoing Tag Thread, the final evolution of Abin’s name took place: Numf-El joined Chuck, Invisible Brainiac and myself as the fourth major author of the thread (it eventually became just the four of posting huge arcs) and was instantly hilarious. He did a bit where his character, who spoke with a crazy Scottish accent, met Almost But Not Quite New Kid and said “ABNQNK? WTF? What’s that, Abin Quank?” or something like that. And instantly, Chuck was rechristened as Abin Quank. I jumped all over it and in the next post established that Abin Quank had a Green Lantern ring as supplied by Cobalt Kid (never explained how I got it); we also established there was only one Green Lantern left in the universe(s).
Chuck also created Golden Girl, a villainess who was the mother of Cobalt’s baby, Numf-El (its complicated).
Stoopid Cat and Pagan Lass With Abin Quank and Space Ranger fully created, Chuck began the next phase of his madness on the MMB. He already had established Abin was the LW Janitor (thus absent mindedly causing LMBers all kinds of grief) and Space Ranger was renowned for busting people’s balls when they stepped over the line. Now he took it one step further and introduced Stoopid Cat, based on his wife’s real life cat, who somehow seemed to cause all sorts of trouble. Little known fact: in the early days, both Stu and I had access to Stoopid Cat as an alt ID.
Stoopid Cat got into all sorts of shenanigans, including having a longtime grudge with Hrun the Barbarian, who also came to Legion World at this time (kicking off the long-standing relationship between the House of Quank with Hrun).
During the Alt ID Rebellion, Abin had a temporary Alt whose name escapes me, but itw as a doctor who was bent on capturing Stoopid Cat. Also noteworthy is Space Ranger was the villain behind the Rebellion and was put on the shelf for a time.
Abin then used that alt to create Pagan Lass for his wife Alice. He then wrote up the backstory with Pagan, Stoopid Cat (her familiar), Numbnuts, Bast and others in the Ongoing Tag thread and elsewhere—all of which you have broken down pretty well. There is also the 1950’s super-team Abin created The Justice Society of Message Board Posters, which included Pagan Lass and Stoopid Cat during their lives in that century (not to be confused with Faraway Lad’s Justice Society of Message Board Posters in the 1940’s). You see, Pagan & Stoopid had lived all the way through to the 31st century every year along the way. Among Abin’s JSMBP is my personal favorite character, Cloned Green Pig.
Pagan Lass was established to be married to Abin Quank, though no one could tell why. It had also been established earlier that Space Ranger was Abin’s adopted brother (and thus, his last name is not Quank).
For a long period of time, the House of Quank was Abin, Space Ranger, Pagan Lass and Stoopid Cat.
Also noteworthy In “The Good, the Dark and the Dead”, an important plot point is Matlock is revealed to be Hrun’s father via time travel. They have a huge knockdown dragout fight at the close.
Everyday Girl EDG, as previously mentioned, was a Gen-Car Abin created in the Ongoing Tag Thread. He also had created the Gen-Car My Whee Fem as the Security Office’s receptionist, though that was about all that was known about her for a long while. Sometime between “The Good, the Dark and the Dead” and “Infinite Crisis”, Abin decided to upgrade Everyday Girl to Alt ID status.
In quintessential Chuck fashion, he made Everyday Girl way over the top in her naïve valley girl personality, purposely “bothering” posters with her. This was hilarious with some of the newer posters at the time, such as Tamper Lad.
EDG was revealed then to be Abin & Pagan’s granddaughter, but that was it. She joined the Security Office and in a twist, her family would try to keep her away from dangerous missions, but Cobalt Kid saw something in her and would give her tough missions despite their protests. She became one of the major mainstays of the OoS.
In “Infinite Crisis”, the House of Quank had a major change as the Red Bee killed Space Ranger. Everyday Girl took it the hardest and brought the Red Bee down and thereafter tried to take on Space Ranger’s role in the OoS. Another major revelation was Everyday Girl’s father was revealed to be Hrun the Barbarian (and ipso facto, her grandfather is Matlock, making her have the best LMB pedigree of us all). I’m not sure about Faraway Lad originally intending to be her father as I can’t recall off the top of my head, but I believe it if you read it in the thread.
Princess Diana of Vallhalia was not mentioned right away and I think it was years before her name was ever revealed. She was the daughter of Pagan through a previous marriage (possibly not even a marriage, as that is also unrevealed) and its unclear how old she is (remember Pagan is thousands of years old). I thought I remembered Numbnuts at one point possibly being the father, though his name suggests otherwise. We’ve never actually “seen” her before; there is certainly a great story to be told there. Hrun has mentioned her in passing a few times but never with any real clarity.
EDG has two ‘cacks’ (a race created by Abin), one who is a mini-EDE and one who is a mini-Cobie. These are Nobody and Noone. This actually ties into a subplot created by Eryk years earlier totally by accident, as he had introduced a mini-EDE called Nobody. It must be fate.
EDG is of great important but its unclear why at this point. Only that there is something of great important in her future.
My Whee Fem, Gary Concord and others Over the next few years some other major changes occurred:
My Whee Fem was upgraded to Alt ID from Gen-Car in one of the Roleplays (possibly Five Faces of Death), at the same time that Jailbait Lass / Lolita was. The three girls, all best friends, then became a trio who worked together. My stopped being the receptionist at the OoS and became a sword-wielding, ass-kicker with a good sense of humor. She was also the most ‘normal’ of the Quank’s in terms of personality.
Much later, My Whee Fem was revealed to be a Cack herself, IIRC. Abin may have to correct me. This came about because Abin was stretched pretty thin with more characters than available Alts and so he took My Whee Fem off the board; this subplot explained why. Eventually she came back during Thyme Crime.
Gary Concord, the Ultra Man was a character Abin created during Space Ranger’s death. He was an antagonist for the LMB though never an outright villain. He entered into an alliance with Lonestar and Frio (when she turned evil) against the LMB but actually sided with the good guys when Frio went on to join the Five Faces of Death, which were true evil enemies of the LMB. So he worked against the LMB but never when it caused harm to anyone but the LMB. He had his own noble code. He and Frio had a brief, doomed romance.
Abin himself can explain Gary’s story better than I can. Ultimately, he was another version of Cobalt Kid which explains their mutual animosity for one another; both saw the other as their worst versions of each other. It relates to Stu’s plotlines (the Banned ‘Em Zone) and some of Abin’s other plots, In the end, Gary made the ultimate sacrifice to save the LMB during Thyme Crime. He was actually an alt on Legion World for quite a number of years so it was a big death for our continuity.
Lonestar Ranger was not an Alt ID of Abin’s, but actually one of mine! After Space Ranger died, I tried to create an opposite type Space Ranger character (this one of the Dark Oval), who was a pure opportunist. He was introduced in Invasion to not be a main villain, but someone to complicate the story and confuse matters, while raising tension. After Invasion he stuck around on Legion World trying to find ways to enrich himself and ultimately was killed by Frio. When Shenu (one of the Five Faces of Death) resurrected a bunch of corpses, I used it as an opportunity to play a zombie Lonestar “The Reanimated Corpse of Lonestar Ranger” but that didn’t last. Ultimately, I traded Lonestar to another poster, who has never used the Alt since.
During Five Faces of Death, Abin also created Slim who had immense cosmic powers via his bar “Club Cobalt in Chains”. He has a huge grudge against Cobalt because his planet was wiped out by a mercenary force who was working with the UP and the Triumvirate years earlier, and blames Cobalt for allowing it to happen (actually claiming Cobalt knew it was going to happen). His entire family was wiped out. Following FFoD, Slim disappeared, unable to capture Cobalt, though he did appear once again briefly, asking Faraway Lad (then leader) to investigate Cobie. Ultimately he disappeared again soon after. There is an unfinished plotline there.
Zardi showed up about two years ago and currently has a giant island floating over Legion World. That plotline is ongoing.
Sam Pureheart is a young paramedic who is also Everyday Girl’s boyfriend (now that she’s gotten older). He appears to be a very lawful and good person; Cobalt has given him a hard time, either because he’s looking out for EDG (as some believe) or actually mistrusts him, which he claims.
Abin Quank also went from janitor to gazillionare during this time.
Space Ranger came back from the grave, ultimately to be revealed as never having died per a secret plan by Cobalt Kid and Doctor One.
Pagan Lass died in 2010 both in real life and in LMB continuity and will be missed.
Following Pagan’s death, Stoopid Cat also left the LMB, as he was her familiar. It appears his departure is permanent.
The House of Quank is now Abin Quank, Space Ranger, Everyday Girl, My Whee Fem, plus Sam Pureheart and Zardi. Abin has dozens (if not more) characters that aren’t alts but Gen-Cars, scattered through almost 10 years of continuity that I’m sure will pop up eventually. The two of us having been working on a subplot for over two years that we keep coming back to, for instance.
Hope that helps. If you have specific questions, let me know!
Just a few points of clarification.
I should start off by saying Cobie gives me too much credit for genius and doesn't take nearly enough credit for allowing me to get away with stealing his ideas, filing off the serial numbers, and presenting them as my own. Someting he has in common with both Harbinger (Who gave me the idea for Pagan Lass) and EDE (who actually created Everyday Girl, albiet a very different version of her and never complained when I co-opted her as my own in the On-going Tag Team thread.) Cobie also fails to mention that a large part of the hijinks in the tag team threads was all of us screwing around with each other's ideas.
1. Gary Concord, the Ultra-Man is most definately NOT dead. He made the choice during Thyme Crime to remain behind in the Banned'em Zone and defend the gate to Legion World from the armies of the Light-Walker (an alternate universe version of Nightcrawler, who is both nearly omnipotent and evil incarnate.)
The gate to Legion World from the Banned'en Zone is located in the Legion World Tesseracts.
Gary is an alternate universe version of Cobie who's home version of Legion World was destroyed by the Light-Walker. He blames himself for allowing his pride and arrogence to prevent him from asking for outside assistance (Presumeably from our LMBP) in combating the forces of the Light-Walker. He sees our Cobie as a younger version of himself who hasn't yet learned the lessons he's learned.
2. Everyday Girl was placed in the Legion World Orphanage for a year after she was evaaacuated from her home world of Valhalia by her father Hrun. The Idea was to protect her by hiding her identity and relationship to Pagan Lass. During her stay in that orphanage she met and became best friends with My Whee Fem and Holly Honey (Now, a security office intern working for Cobie).
Nobody (a Cack who looks like a mini version of EDE) and No One (a Cack who looks like a mini version of Cobalt Kid) are EDG's bodyguards.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
What exactly are the Cacks? I used the search engine and found out they are spirits, but nothing that went into detail. And in general, what is the cosmology of the LMBverse? I've played alittle bit with spiritual matters already, so I want to see if what I have been thinking makes sense.
Posted by Abin Quank on :
Okay! I fixed the link, although Cobie's profile does explain a few things about Cacks or Cackles as the case may be...
[ August 31, 2011, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Abin Quank ]
Posted by Abin Quank on :
quote:Originally posted by Abin Quank: This thread is a primer on Cacks (or Cackles). Halloween tag thread
Okay! I fixed the link, although Cobie's profile does explain a few things about Cacks or Cackles as the case may be...
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Thank you very much. I didn't know what to make of them in the Dark Oval thread. I love that Everyday Girl is Fighter/Magic dual-class because it constrasts with Emily's Fighter/Science dual-class.
Posted by Exnihil on :
OK, Cobie, I have a question regarding your thoughts on Legion World social strata...
In the past, there have been events that have referenced the sort of "character" nature of different groups on Legion World (ex: The Alt-ID rebellion; the fact that Stoopid Cat was the first Alt in the LMB leadership ranks; the struggles of the lurking class).
How would you say these concepts translate to "in-story" characteristics. ie - What would you say would designate someone as an "Alt" if they were actually a person on LW?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I love this thread! So many good times...
Question, what's Invisible Brainiac's dating history again? I seem to remember Spelling Bee and Sarah, but I spent most of the time being drunk in the back of Vee's Variable Villa.
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: OK, Cobie, I have a question regarding your thoughts on Legion World social strata...
In the past, there have been events that have referenced the sort of "character" nature of different groups on Legion World (ex: The Alt-ID rebellion; the fact that Stoopid Cat was the first Alt in the LMB leadership ranks; the struggles of the lurking class).
How would you say these concepts translate to "in-story" characteristics. ie - What would you say would designate someone as an "Alt" if they were actually a person on LW?
As a rider to the above question (and actually, the more I think about it, probably itself the primary question), what does the very name of the LMB imply from an in-story perspective? In a world where people are members of the "Legion of Message Board Posters" what is the "Message Board" and in what way are those people "Posters" of it?
Sorry to get all "Grant-Morrison meta" about it, but I just think you'd probably have some really interesting thoughts on the whole thing.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Cobie, in a fair fight, who do you believe would win between Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Cobie, in a fair fight, who do you believe would win between Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad?
Cobie doesn't fight fair fights.
(But he'd win in a fight against any character in or out of LMB continuity )
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: OK, Cobie, I have a question regarding your thoughts on Legion World social strata...
In the past, there have been events that have referenced the sort of "character" nature of different groups on Legion World (ex: The Alt-ID rebellion; the fact that Stoopid Cat was the first Alt in the LMB leadership ranks; the struggles of the lurking class).
How would you say these concepts translate to "in-story" characteristics. ie - What would you say would designate someone as an "Alt" if they were actually a person on LW?
The way I see Alt IDs is they are kind of seen how minority groups were right during and after the Civil Rights movement in the United States. (Not now in the 2010's, but in the 60's & 70's). This is a galaxy wide phenomina that existed long before Legion World was founded. So they have undergone a long struggle over time, and much of that history is unwritten thus far.
On LW and among the LMB, a few stand out. Space Tart is technically an Alt ID and she joined the LMB in their first year. Space Ranger is considered a great hero among the galaxies even before his joining the LMB and so he has become very iconic in the eyes of other Alt IDs. And Stoopid Cat was the first Alt ID to ever achieve a leadership position in the LMB which meant something big to the Alt ID population on LW.
In 3003 we had the Alt ID Rebellion roleplay(essentially a storyline written by Abin, myself, Vee and Quis IIRC) that pitted Space Ranger against the LMB when tensions mounted. During the Myriad era both Eryk and myself used the Alt ID Rebellion tensions as an important theme in resolving the Myriad animosity (which only worked for a time but became a story point). Ever since then the idea is that relations between Alt IDs and main characters has calmed down but it could come up again.
From a meta perspective, however, we've never once said something like "___ is an Alt ID of ___" in-story. That might be taking things a bit too far.
The "lurking class" is basically all of the Legion World posters that do not post on Legion World and therefore are not official members of the LMB. I see them very much as Legion World civilzation's "working class"; the blue collar workers that are the vast majority of the population but do not share the majority of media attention, commerce, etc. They also are the ones who suffer greatest when threats hit Legion World (often dying in the backgrounds).
I guess a case could be made that "Gen-Cars" (a term Abin created to refer to General Characters, which are recurring characters in the LMBverse that are neither LMBers nor Alt IDs) are also part of the lurking class. Beyond that, I'm not sure if a Gen-Car has any distinct characteristics socially. Maybe they are akin to the middle class, or on the upper end of the working class spectrum.
Note, when I refer to these class distinctions, I'm not so much referring to economic distinctions (which is really how we define class now). I'm thinking it extends beyond that, likely in a more social sense.
I'm certainly open to some further ideas on this topic! A key element to me would be to always keep a degree of ambiguity about the whole thing and never answer it definitively.
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil:
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: OK, Cobie, I have a question regarding your thoughts on Legion World social strata...
In the past, there have been events that have referenced the sort of "character" nature of different groups on Legion World (ex: The Alt-ID rebellion; the fact that Stoopid Cat was the first Alt in the LMB leadership ranks; the struggles of the lurking class).
How would you say these concepts translate to "in-story" characteristics. ie - What would you say would designate someone as an "Alt" if they were actually a person on LW?
As a rider to the above question (and actually, the more I think about it, probably itself the primary question), what does the very name of the LMB imply from an in-story perspective? In a world where people are members of the "Legion of Message Board Posters" what is the "Message Board" and in what way are those people "Posters" of it?
Sorry to get all "Grant-Morrison meta" about it, but I just think you'd probably have some really interesting thoughts on the whole thing.
When we created the term "LMB" it was short hand for "Legion of Message Board Posters". The very earliest Year (1) LMBers used the term "LMB" regularly.
Somewhere along the way, in about Year (2), posters began calling themselves the "LMBP" because that made more sense. By then, posters like STU had joined and he used exclusively that term.
However, many of the Year (1) LMBers, like Lardy and myself, never stopped using "LMB", leaving out the "P". So STU came up with the idea that it stands for "Legion of the Message Board", which I've always kind of liked.
Somewhere further along the line, after we were on Legion World, the vast majority of newer posters (from probably Kent Shakespeare's era onward) stuck to the original "LMB", so the "LMBP" use has kind of gone away.
Getting more towards your actual question, the "Message Board" could mean a variety of things. I once discussed this with some posters here (Lardy, do you remember this conversation? Eryk may have been involved). "Message Board" might refer to the "Mission Monitor Board", which is an essentially part of the LMB--monitoring problems around the galaxy and addressing them. So in a way, it really means Legion of the Mission Monitor Board.
In fact, in our very earliest days on the DCMB's in 2000-2001, we had an ongoing thread called "Mission Monitor Board" that was continually in use among the LMBers, often serving as a roleplaying home or just a place to chat amongst ourselves (it was also where we checked in when we were on a official 'road trip'). When Gary designated the Legion World forums and the Mission Monitor Board forum became the forum most tuned into LMB shenanigans, I know it wasn't on purpose but the similarity to that old thread always made me smile. Perhaps that was the Meta playing in.
Having it so 'on the nose' kind of fits when thinking about an organization like the Knights Templar, which basically is short-hand for the Knights of the Temple Mount, referring to what they thought was King Solomon's Temple. There are, of course, scores of examples of similar organization names deriving from something very clear and uncomplicated.
So maybe that's what the Message Board element means? I think we should establish in continuity that when non-LMBers, like the lurkers, ask them what a message board is, there is some kind of in-joke response like "I'm still waiting for them to tell me," as if they also don't understand. Because after all these years its become a commonly asked question.
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: I love this thread! So many good times...
Question, what's Invisible Brainiac's dating history again? I seem to remember Spelling Bee and Sarah, but I spent most of the time being drunk in the back of Vee's Variable Villa.
Invisible Brainiac burst on the scene in 3003 as the youngest LMBer ever to join at age 15. Quickly taken under Cobalt Kid's wing, he was quite the hot commodity and girls came out of the woodwork to try to get his attention.
Spelling Bee was a quasi-villain who became smitten with him.
A girl working at Cafe Cramer named Sara briefly dated Ibby (in my "Price of Security" onevision).
Yourself, myself, Condo & Magnetic Kid and one other used to through massive parties at the Variable Villa that often had many sensual misunderstandings. This was an ongoing in-joke in the Vee's Villa thread throughout 2003-2004. Condo & Pol were dating (both men).
Ibby had a crush on Lolita and though he didn't know it, she shared it back a little but never said anything.
Everday Girl had (and still has) a huge crush on Invisible Brainiac.
I'm not sure about others. The way we played it left lots of room for 'untold stories' where IB may have dated a bit (either sleeping around or perhaps not going that far--that too was ambiguous).
Posted by Timber Wolf on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Cobie, in a fair fight, who do you believe would win between Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad?
Cobie doesn't fight fair fights.
(But he'd win in a fight against any character in or out of LMB continuity )
Cobie,
Have you taken to drinking? I tend to disagree with your assessment of your abilities here...bub.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Love the discussion about Alt IDs, lurkers etc.
I agree that we should maintain some ambiguity about it - it helps give Legion World its own "flavor" apart from the real world. These classes aren't intended to be quite the same as the real world.
Alt IDs, perhaps, could be a class defined by how they are created.
Lurkers could be a class defined by their choices - deciding not to participate as much as other classes.
Gen-cars... well... I'm not quite sure about that. Most of the gen-cars seem to be LMBPers or allies...
And thanks for the recap about IB's love life I remember the villa parties, and one running joke was that IB would be snuck in invisibly since he was underage, only to promptly get wasted and fall asleep at the very first sip.
There was a lot of invisible snoring at the villa.
I can't believe you know more about "my" dating history than I do. Thanks Posted by Exnihil on :
Thanks for the LMB/LMBP discussion. That's really a very satisfying explanation for the meaning of the name.
On the topic of social strata... it's just fascinating to me to try to imagine, and very much falls into the "world-building" that you guys have been engaged in for over a decade.
I think I tend to agree with IB on the division lines between class based on position versus those of birth.
It would seem that a "lurker" could always improve his or her standing by becoming more engaged, while the division between "Primaries" - for lack of a better term - and "Alts" is something more inherent, like no matter what they do, an Alt would always be an Alt. A Gen Char simply seems like it would be a lower substrata within the "Alt" community.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Something else: the act of "posting" would be akin to logging into the monitor board and being on duty. So essentially, posting is the time spent being a hero, saving lives and going on adventures
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
The class divisions are an interesting topic, no doubt. What's unsaid and a big question is how in the world can someone tell if you're an Alt? Is it a physical characteristic? Is it like Marvel's mutants where some are obvious and some can hide it easily?
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
I'm having a hard time understanding this system. How could all the characters know they are fictional characters without it being unrealistic?
Logically, if we went by that system than that means all cameo characters and a majority of supporting characters would be Alt-IDs or Gen-Chars, which means they would not be a minority.
I joined after making alternate identities became against the rules of this forum so therefore I cannot have Alt-IDs.
Posted by Angdar Fel on :
I never put any real thought into it...
Posted by Timber Wolf on :
...it just always seemed to be...
Posted by Dev - Em on :
...pretty self explanatory.
As far as I am concerned...it's what it is, and the alts were just other characters controlled by a main poster. I try to give mine different personalities, and their own 'voice'.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
What if it was "Legion of the Monitor Board" and said Board was the most comprehensive, state-of-the-art computer of its kind, so much so that a superhero team would name itself in relation to it? Maybe, their benefactor, Engine Joe Brande patented the device and named them after it to get his creation's brand recognition out there?
I know it sounds a little too much like how corporate sponsorship is in our day and age, but it would make sense. And over time, the LMB outgrew their initial impression of being corporate shills after they proved their worth but kept the name anyway, though generally only using the abbreviation (like KFC).
Just a thought, anyway.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Getting more towards your actual question, the "Message Board" could mean a variety of things. I once discussed this with some posters here (Lardy, do you remember this conversation? Eryk may have been involved).
I believe you refer to this topic I started. (It didn't really go anywhere.)
The question of "what does the LMB stand for?" has bothered me for many years as it regards our shared universe. My previous post is my latest, spontaneous thought on the matter.
My bottom line scenario is this: if the "LMB" was an actual comic book or movie or whatever, its abbreviation would have to make sense to its audience. The concept, as it is now, just wouldn't. To me, that's pretty much the only imperfection in a fictional universe to which I take great pride in being one of its chroniclers. The "Gen-char", "lurker" and "Alt-ID" stuff is just in-jokes that could be explained away or just discarded, but the abbreviation is the core group's identity and just can't be explained as it exists now within its own continuity!
I'll shut up now. Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
FYI, in my mind only Lash Lad realizes he's a fictional character, though even that has only ever been very subtly hinted at.
No other characters even consider it. So "Alt ID" as we think of it cannot mean the same thing to the characters.
I'm more concerned about the group's social struggles instead of what actually makes them different.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that those folks were aware of a fictional nature, just that the "meta" titles applied to them (Alt, Gen Char, lurker, etc.) would have an entirely different in-story meaning that what we (meaning the "real life" we) would traditionally use those terms to mean.
Like, for instance, the very word, "Alt", in a fictional world would seem, to me, to have a sense of "otherness" about it. As if, by its application, the implication is that they are an "alternate" type of person from a "non-alt". Not that I'm saying that the word would necessarily be a slur, mind you, but perhaps something that it's not really polite to use in mixed company.
(Dude... not cool... take it easy with the "A" word... Timber Wolf and Angdar are right above you... )
I don't know... I might be getting into some dangerous waters here.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Well, it might turn out to be more helpful than harmful for my story-telling purposes. I have been toying quite a bit with how the average non-LMBer views LW's government and super-villain attacks. If this is the way residents of LW see themselves and others, it could even explain a lot about the structure of Legion World and why Question Lad is kind of bitter about it.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I agree with Emily; if you'll check her Question Lad thread, she raises some interesting questions.
With the Alts and lurkers, I agree their social struggles are more important. But I think it would help if we figured out how they became Alts. Perhaps Alts can be born with... something... like they're clones, or alternate universe versions of Earth-1 counterparts that were displaced in some past crisis?
That would explain the slight stigma - they're not "really" from here. There would be no way to tell for sure whether someone is an alt, though...
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Getting more towards your actual question, the "Message Board" could mean a variety of things. I once discussed this with some posters here (Lardy, do you remember this conversation? Eryk may have been involved).
I believe you refer to this topic I started. (It didn't really go anywhere.)
The question of "what does the LMB stand for?" has bothered me for many years as it regards our shared universe. My previous post is my latest, spontaneous thought on the matter.
My bottom line scenario is this: if the "LMB" was an actual comic book or movie or whatever, its abbreviation would have to make sense to its audience. The concept, as it is now, just wouldn't. To me, that's pretty much the only imperfection in a fictional universe to which I take great pride in being one of its chroniclers.
I only remember one time in my years that the full name "Legion of Message Board Posters" was used in-story, which was my post where Kid Marvel and Rockhopper Lad were sworn in as Leader and Deputy Leader, respectively. I'm sure there have been others, but usually it's just "LMB" or "LMBP", the latter of which seems to be used less than it once was.
Legion of Mighty Beings, perhaps? Posted by Exnihil on :
This is actually a question for Lardy (but if Cobie sees it first and knows, feel free).
I haven't kept up on the whole "Lord of the Oval' story, so if this is answered there, apologies in advance, but is Kalla Hrykos blood related to your earlier character, Damyen Hrykos and, if so, in what way?
(I'm working on something you're going to dig - not a story, but something pretty cool).
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Damyen was Kalla's half-brother, Ex. He and his brother Collus were the legitimate offspring of the head of Clan Hrykos and his wife. Kalla was conceived by Damyen and Collus' father and a peasant woman. She was not recognized as a legitimate heir because of this, and even was disallowed from using her father's name. Hence, in her earliest appearances she was known as Kalla Hryl.
Damyen married Lardy's arch-enemy Mordra, and Mordra tricked Lardy into sleeping with her. A spell she used caused his powers to transfer to her thru the sexual act. She also became pregnant (as planned) since Damyen was unable to conceive. Mordra then transferred Lardy's powers to Damyen. Later, Lardy tracked down and killed both of them.
When Damyen died, Collus inherited leadership of Clan Hrykos and sought revenge for his brother's death by spearheading the "Invasion!" of Legion World. After the invasion failed, the other Dark Oval powers disapproved of Collus' failure and their inability to control him and eventually supported Kalla taking his place. She murdered Collus herself and used her father's will to legally take her brother's place.
Hope that helps! Damyen appeared in my Onevision "Turning Point". Kalla first appeared during the collaborative novella "Omnia...", and her ascension was detailed in some key scenes in my Onevision "Smoke and Mirrors" (all easily searchable right here in Bits!).
Can't wait to see whatcha got in mind!
Posted by Exnihil on :
Hey... quick question for Cobie/Lardy/whoever...
Are there any good "intrepid reporter" types in the LMB mythos that I could use as minor supporting character? It's nothing that would change their status quo, I just need a foil in my story to pester the Security Office for details about the case.
I came across Clark Marlowe (whose name I, of course, love) in the 80-page giant... but I wasn't sure whether he was already involved in any Lord of the Oval plotlines.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
(1) The first great 'intrepid reporter' in the LMB mythos was Giant Squid, an alt ID on Legion World. He was killed by the Royal Inquisitor during the Dark Stu Saga, and thus became a bit of a legendary character on Legion World. (Actually had the entire user ID wiped away--a process so time-consuming, Nightcrawler vowed never to do it again!). Therefore, the Alt ID Center is named the "Giant Squid Memorial Alt ID Cultural Center" in his honor. His murder came about because he refused to give in to the demands of Dark Stu and stop broadcasting, even refusing Vee's offer to use the Villa as a safe haven because he would not leave his position outside Stu's Mansion.
(2) I'll let Lardy give the overview of Clark Marlowe, whose become a more rounded out character in LMB lore. Clark was a star in the Lord of the Oval story...and if you haven't read it, I'm not sure I want to spoil what's happened with him. Let's just say its status-altering and you need to know about it before even referencing him.
(3) I think there has been occassional references to a Marella Tao in the LMB mythos, though she's never actually appeared on-screen.
So you may need to create a new character, or use Marella...
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: I came across Clark Marlowe (whose name I, of course, love) in the 80-page giant... but I wasn't sure whether he was already involved in any Lord of the Oval plotlines.
Clark is a character who I created and who I dearly love, but surely you know that phrase about what you sometimes have to do with your darlings...
Clark's story began in Omnia, then his background/origin was clarified in the 80PG story you mentioned. Afterwards, he played a significant role in "The Covenant" which lead to a pivotal moment for him during the Earth-4 sequences in Book 2 of "Lord of the Oval"---a life-altering moment, if you catch my drift.
Howevs, reading your post makes me realize just this very moment that Clark may just have a younger brother named Phil who is a cub reporter trying to break out of his Galactic Pulitzer-winning brother's shadow. Phil, however, wouldn't know of his brother's fate and hasn't seen him in nearly two years.
Work your magic if you'd like to flesh Phil out for me. You have my blessing!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I think Phil should have had a previous career as an amateur space-boxer!
Posted by Power Boy on :
Is there currently a Reflecto character running around Legion World. I am thinking of introducing a Reflecto knock off.
I have a thing for these barely used uber powerful characters.
Posted by Power Boy on :
Although, I'm trying to brainstorm obvious "reflecto" derivative names ... but with little success.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I dont think we've ever had one before, actually. Glad to see it'll be rectified!
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
Mirror Mistress would be a cool name if you want the character to be female.
Posted by Power Boy on :
We do need more females in action.
I was thinking "Mirror Mirror" before ... but wasn't sure.
hmmm, I will proceed! thanks CK and ES!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Love the idea of Mirror Mistress! Awesome name and always good to have a kickass female!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: I came across Clark Marlowe (whose name I, of course, love) in the 80-page giant... but I wasn't sure whether he was already involved in any Lord of the Oval plotlines.
Clark is a character who I created and who I dearly love, but surely you know that phrase about what you sometimes have to do with your darlings...
Clark's story began in Omnia, then his background/origin was clarified in the 80PG story you mentioned. Afterwards, he played a significant role in "The Covenant" which lead to a pivotal moment for him during the Earth-4 sequences in Book 2 of "Lord of the Oval"---a life-altering moment, if you catch my drift.
Howevs, reading your post makes me realize just this very moment that Clark may just have a younger brother named Phil who is a cub reporter trying to break out of his Galactic Pulitzer-winning brother's shadow. Phil, however, wouldn't know of his brother's fate and hasn't seen him in nearly two years.
Work your magic if you'd like to flesh Phil out for me. You have my blessing!
So, Ex...is Phil Marlowe gonna make it into "Klordny"?
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: So, Ex...is Phil Marlowe gonna make it into "Klordny"?
In the very next chapter, actually.
This story has turned out way longer than I anticipated, but I think the plot sort of demands it.
They don't call it the "long" Klordny for nothing. Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
And Mirror Mistress (if that's the name she will choose) has joined the Dark Oval story! Whoo! This is awesome. We really do need more females, as the list of female LMBers is really short. That's one reason I brought back Spelling Bee and Sara (as Danger Damsel II), plus added Kinetix and Kairos (an LMB version of Kid Quantum II) into the mix.
PS, Ex, haven't read much of your Long Klordny story but it looks really good so far!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: PS, Ex, haven't read much of your Long Klordny story but it looks really good so far!
It's FUCKING AWESOME!!!! Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [QUOTE]
Invisible Brainiac, myself, Condo & Magnetic Kid and one other used to through massive parties at the Variable Villa that often had many sensual misunderstandings. This was an ongoing in-joke in the Vee's Villa thread throughout 2003-2004. Condo & Pol were dating (both men).
Cobie, did we ever name the fifth member of the Festive Five? I've been looking through the original Villa thread here and I can't figure out who it is.
Was it Stu?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
PS - are Hummer Lass, Globe Girl and Princess No-Protection still alive?
And do they have any powers, if so? Posted by Viridis Lament on :
Based on my encounters with her, Globe Girl has the superpower to make my drool
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: PS - are Hummer Lass, Globe Girl and Princess No-Protection still alive?
And do they have any powers, if so?
Hummer Lass is alive. She was last seen in the "Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis" collaborative story which served as the blueprint for how we are writing "The Lord of the Oval". She was mind-controlled by Wyandotte and actually murdered HUGEMANBREASTS while under his influence. His control was broken, and she helped the characters who would become known as the Covenant defeat Kalla Hrykos and her Church of the Eternal Void in the same story. In an epilogue she stated she would go to earth and seek therapy for her guilt and personal issues and hasn't been seen since.
Hummer Lass previously had no powers but developed sonic powers similar to Marvel's Banshee and Siryn characters in Omnia.
(Ibby, please don't use Hummer Lass in LotO. When and if she reappears, I'll be writing that.)
Globe Girl saved the world, IIRC, but was wiped out of existence somehow as a consequence. I believe she had the power to grow her boobs as large as planets! (Maybe Cobie can remember more specifically?)
Princess No-Protection is dead. See her LMB Wiki article for more info about her story and powers.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Thanks for the info, Lardy. Those three always intrigued me - their codenames alone are worth a hoot.
And thanks for the name of the story. I'm gonna go check it out, sounds like an awesome read.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Bevis' Boutique Cafe Cramer Cobie's Midnight Lounge EDE's Playground of Space IB and Blaze's Flirt House (to be changed ) Office of Security Rockhopper's Rookery Quis' Law Firm SHAKES Vee's Villa
Thanks much
Edit -
added the ff. too!
Kid Prime's Room Lardy's Lair matlock's attic Outdoor Miner's Off-hand Manor EDE's Room A Faraway Room
Posted by Power Boy on :
What up!
I am thinking of introducing a pair of "Time-Space Twins" in the tradition of:
and a bit of Kid Quantums ...
Are there similar characters already ? I don't want to be redundant.
I figure they will be about 11 years old, looking, but possibly much older like a coluan.
One will control time, one will control space giving them similar powers but slightly different. They'd both be able to put someone in stasis (by holding someone in space or time respectively) but they'd need to hold hands to be able to create a teleportation portal!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [QUOTE]
Invisible Brainiac, myself, Condo & Magnetic Kid and one other used to through massive parties at the Variable Villa that often had many sensual misunderstandings. This was an ongoing in-joke in the Vee's Villa thread throughout 2003-2004. Condo & Pol were dating (both men).
Cobie, did we ever name the fifth member of the Festive Five? I've been looking through the original Villa thread here and I can't figure out who it is.
Was it Stu?
You know, I could swear I remembered it eventually but have forgotten again. It wasn't Stu. Maybe Super Lad Kid? He was prolific then.
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: PS - are Hummer Lass, Globe Girl and Princess No-Protection still alive?
And do they have any powers, if so?
Lardy, answered Hummer Lass so I'll add that Princess No-Protection is a character I have big long term plans for and ask no one use.
She's actually alive. And actually a villain now. I think Lardy has her confused with Debauchery Damsel who is 100% dead.
Globe Girl is, as Lardy says, gone. She was never actual real, but a Dean Lee created "forgery" based on Silicon Sandra (who is also dead). Neither will be coming back anytime soon.
FYI, I saw Omega Man in the story. I think in continuity he's actually still France! And has been since 3003.
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Cobie, I'm making a Directory for LW Establishments. Do you know of any that I missed? I have the ff.:
Bevis' Boutique Cafe Cramer Cobie's Midnight Lounge EDE's Playground of Space IB and Blaze's Flirt House (to be changed ) Office of Security Rockhopper's Rookery Quis' Law Firm SHAKES Vee's Villa
Thanks much
Edit -
added the ff. too!
Kid Prime's Room Lardy's Lair matlock's attic Outdoor Miner's Off-hand Manor EDE's Room A Faraway Room
As you probably realized, you're missing a ton. I estimate at least 50 establishments. For instance, I know Cobie has a travel agency too and even I can't remember the exact name of it. Lash has a Weenie Hut; Eryk has a Milliner'a Shop; Vu has his Vudoo Lounge. It's a MAJOR project to find them all!
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: What up!
I am thinking of introducing a pair of "Time-Space Twins" in the tradition of:
and a bit of Kid Quantums ...
Are there similar characters already ? I don't want to be redundant.
I figure they will be about 11 years old, looking, but possibly much older like a coluan.
One will control time, one will control space giving them similar powers but slightly different. They'd both be able to put someone in stasis (by holding someone in space or time respectively) but they'd need to hold hands to be able to create a teleportation portal!
We have a bunch of time powered type heroes but no Wonder Twin analogies I can think of!
The big question: will the Minotaur get a code name? Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: You know, I could swear I remembered it eventually but have forgotten again. It wasn't Stu. Maybe Super Lad Kid? He was prolific then.
As you probably realized, you're missing a ton. I estimate at least 50 establishments. For instance, I know Cobie has a travel agency too and even I can't remember the exact name of it. Lash has a Weenie Hut; Eryk has a Milliner'a Shop; Vu has his Vudoo Lounge. It's a MAJOR project to find them all!
I'll see if I can find any reference in the thread, but so far zilch
For the establishments, I'm limiting myself to those which have their own thread. But it's still a nightmare to find them all!
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Lardy, answered Hummer Lass so I'll add that Princess No-Protection is a character I have big long term plans for and ask no one use.
She's actually alive. And actually a villain now. I think Lardy has her confused with Debauchery Damsel who is 100% dead.
Globe Girl is, as Lardy says, gone. She was never actual real, but a Dean Lee created "forgery" based on Silicon Sandra (who is also dead). Neither will be coming back anytime soon.
FYI, I saw Omega Man in the story. I think in continuity he's actually still France! And has been since 3003.
Noted on all counts. Removed Omega Man from the story.
I actually wanted to use some of the sillier characters like Salad-Tosser Lord and Turns-You-Into-A-Country Fred, but decided to hold off since it's a) hard to find updated references on them, and b) they're almost certainly "owned" by other posters!
Posted by Power Boy on :
Lash has a Weenie Hut .... tee hee.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
All the ones I named have their own threads!
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: Lash has a Weenie Hut .... tee hee.
And he can give you ANY weenie you want
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: All the ones I named have their own threads!
Gosh, thanks! I found the vudoo lounge and the weenie hut. I shall go a-hunting for the rest!
Posted by Power Boy on :
Is there a Vrykos equivalent in the LMB?
I'm thinking of making one up but ... would he be too similar to Titus ?
[ August 21, 2012, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Power Boy ]
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [qb]You know, I could swear I remembered it eventually but have forgotten again. It wasn't Stu. Maybe Super Lad Kid? He was prolific then.
You're right; it WAS Super Lad Kid! Found the reference in your History of the LMBP.
So the Festive Five were Magnetic Kid, Condo, Cobalt Kid, myself and Super Lad Kid.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: Is there a Vrykos equivalent in the LMB?
I'm thinking of making one up but ... would he be too similar to Titus ?
I don't know who Vrykos is, but I created an unnamed telepath in 'Truth and Perfection'. He is extremely powerful when pressed, so he's perfect if you want a generic good and powerful telepath. I would like him alive for a future Halloween special, but other than that I would loan him to you.
Posted by Power Boy on :
vrykos was a deadly vampire from the five year leap Legion ... a lackey of Mordru. He was a villain but ... I might have plans ...
Posted by Power Boy on :
and he's scary looking ...
... very little was done with him, which BEGS for PB to write him into LOTO!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
As far I a recall, Vykros has never made it into LMB lore! He's a favorite of mine, personally, so I'd love to see him do so.
Perhaps for our next big saga, he'll play a part? "Next big saga?" you ask? Stay tuned, my friends. Stay tuned...
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [qb]You know, I could swear I remembered it eventually but have forgotten again. It wasn't Stu. Maybe Super Lad Kid? He was prolific then.
You're right; it WAS Super Lad Kid! Found the reference in your History of the LMBP.
So the Festive Five were Magnetic Kid, Condo, Cobalt Kid, myself and Super Lad Kid.
Aha! Those binge drinking nights didn't kill all those memories. Yet...
Posted by Power Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Perhaps for our next big saga, he'll play a part? "Next big saga?" you ask? Stay tuned, my friends. Stay tuned...
The resurrection of Lard Lad and Cobalt Kid with lightning rods and a few Proteans ? Posted by Viridis Lament on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: As far I a recall, Vykros has never made it into LMB lore! He's a favorite of mine, personally, so I'd love to see him do so.
Perhaps for our next big saga, he'll play a part? "Next big saga?" you ask? Stay tuned, my friends. Stay tuned...
Actually he did... Back in the Phineas B Fuddle days I had a Vykros alt-id for letting loose with my evil side.
I don't actually remember him doing anything significant however and I have no plans for hime so he is up for grabs.
Posted by Power Boy on :
Thanks Viridis!
I have just introduced a Kid Vykros characters ... but Its unclear whether he will grow up to be Vykros or not.
maybe V.L. would like to collaborate on a future LMB story!?!
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [qb]
Perhaps for our next big saga, he'll play a part? "Next big saga?" you ask? Stay tuned, my friends. Stay tuned...
All the LMBers get turned into little babies?
Oh wait, already happened.
Um, imprisoned in the Super Stalag of Space?
Oh, that too?
Everyone infected with gender-reversal disease?
What, that happened too???
Ah, why don't we just invade Earth and get rid of the Corporations currently ruling it?
Hmm, Blaze and IB always HAVE wanted to see Earth...
Posted by Dev - Em on :
^That happened as well.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: So, Des...how would you rank the LMBers in terms of raw power? (You don't need to rank all of them---maybe the top ten, with some explanations)
Hope this doesn't stump ya!
Seven years and a whole lot of continuity later, what would the answer be?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I know Cobie once said that Invisible Brainiac was the most powerful LMBer, but with new entrants like Rockhopper Lad and Power Boy...
quote:Originally posted by Dev - Em: ^That happened as well.
Really? Must have missed that. Do you know which story it occured in? I always assumed the Earth Corporations fell apart after the Dark Oval war.
Posted by Dev - Em on :
It took Cobie and Lon, plus a few friends. There are a lot of untold tales from after this that I will get to one day...
quote:Originally posted by Power Boy: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: [qb]
Perhaps for our next big saga, he'll play a part? "Next big saga?" you ask? Stay tuned, my friends. Stay tuned...
All the LMBers get turned into little babies?
Oh wait, already happened.
Um, imprisoned in the Super Stalag of Space?
Oh, that too?
Everyone infected with gender-reversal disease?
What, that happened too???
Ah, why don't we just invade Earth and get rid of the Corporations currently ruling it?
Hmm, Blaze and IB always HAVE wanted to see Earth...
Where can I pick up the archives?????
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Whoa, thanks for the link, Dev. Aweosme story Blaze and I can have a lot of fun when we do our next story - we're planning a world tour of Earth
Peebz, I'd have to do some digging. I think most of those happened during various tag team threads Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Glad you read it IB! I worked long and hard on that story and am real proud of it. The only ones who ever commented on it were Dev and Abin, for which I'm super thankful.
Dev, awesome to hear you plan on filling in some of the gaps between Lon staying behind and showing up on LW several months later.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I have to agree, it shows that you worked hard on it. The way they brought down Earthgov was sheer genius!
I love how you've left Earth's fate somewhat vague - that is, we know they have a fighting chance but we also know they're gonna have to work hard to win.
And Dev, I'd love to see more adventures of Timber Wolf. I find him a really interesting character, and you've given him a certain charm that sets him apart from other anti-heroes like Wolverine or Green Arrow...
Posted by Dev - Em on :
Cobie - YEah, I have some ideas for some things that happened while he was still there, vut the Oval has taken up a lot of time for all of us lately.
IB - Thanks. I try and make him stand alone. He's of a certain mold, but I don't want him to fall into the same tropes as others like him.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Dev, you're "transforming" Furball into Timberwolf is one of the key factors in kick starting this recent wave of LMB revitalization and greatness! I love the complexity of the character and his various relationships. Naturally, I absolutely love the dynamic we've set up with him and Cobie, and I'm chomping at the bit to get to what we have planned next.
(Yes that's a tease to everyone )
Posted by Dev - Em on :
His genesis is kinda complex in my mind, there's a lot that went into the why and how he shifted from Fyrball to Timberwolf.
The overall explanation is simple enough though. I had been writing Dev into a corner of sorts and had some things planned for him that have played out...and will continue after his sacrifice. Having Lon re-imagined allowed me to have someon to play with and still accomplish what I wanted to with Dev.
The fact that he took on such a life of his own surprised me. The sheer amount of material that has been birthed because of who he is now (and who he is becoming) amazed me and still continues to.
...and yes folks...wait till you see what is coming up next.
Posted by Dev - Em on :
I was talking with someone else about Kar Em as well. Talk about a character taking on a life of his own. I had "plans" for him during the Oval, but he insisted on another route that has led to an interesting future for him.,.,whereas I thought he's be gone by now.
I love the dichotomy that we all bring to this shared universe. No matter what I have planned for one of my characters, it can be totally thrown off the rails by one comment someone else makes. Which is a great thing to be involved with.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
That's what happened with Kinetix. I'd just intended for her to be a source of tension between IB and Blaze (plus, since she's my favoritest Legionnaire ever...) Then when Dev commented on me foisting her off on Angdar to keep Blaze from getting jealous, BOOM!
Wow, maybe we should save the rest of this for the post-Oval "making of" thread Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
We should really do that! Lots of behind the scenes tidbits have gone on that are pretty fascinating!
The collaborative aspect has been so strong on LotO. So many tweaks, adjustments and character beats came from one of us suggesting thing to others.
It'd be cool to almost do an anecdotal post by post thing even.
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: The collaborative aspect has been so strong on LotO. So many tweaks, adjustments and character beats came from one of us suggesting thing to others.
Such as this line from Lardy: "Wouldn't it be great if Rocky were wearing a cowboy hat?".
And just so we're sure you saw this post, Cobie:
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: So, Des...how would you rank the LMBers in terms of raw power? (You don't need to rank all of them---maybe the top ten, with some explanations)
Hope this doesn't stump ya!
Seven years and a whole lot of continuity later, what would the answer be?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
(and if Rocky ain't in the top ten, you got some explaining to do!)
Posted by Dev - Em on :
The whole Lon and Kalla thing just threw things into a total tizzy. Things have been full tilt since then.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
You know, at this point, I'd rather not rank the LMB in terms of raw power. I know it's not the same as being skilled or effective, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
(Last time I did it, at least 2 people were unhappy.)
Basically, I'm more inclined to list those who spend more time playing in the LMB verse anyway.
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
I would be interested in doing a ranking. I have a lot of Tournaments in my background because of other comic book sites I visit (that is the reason Tournaments are a part of Sebastian's origin, kind of a homage).
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Cobie has a good point. It makes sense not to do one right now, I think.
So, as they used to say on the old Hollywood Squares, back to a Cobalt Kid-type question:
In how many storylines has the entire (or most of) the LMB's cast of thousands (as it was at the time of writing) appeared? Pretty much everyone has appeared in Lord of the Oval at this point, for example.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
... and if anyone hasn't appeared, I'll be sure to sneak in a reference!
Based on Cobie's history of the LMB, it seems the entire LMB has appeared in:
Refugees thread, for example, only shows one post.
Posted by Dev - Em on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: You know, at this point, I'd rather not rank the LMB in terms of raw power. I know it's not the same as being skilled or effective, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
(Last time I did it, at least 2 people were unhappy.)
Basically, I'm more inclined to list those who spend more time playing in the LMB verse anyway.
Yeah, even though Dev made it last time...things are constantly fluctuating here in the LMB.
Timberwolf for example is nowhere near the strongest character in the LMB, but could probably take down all but a select handful of members. Hard to rank that.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
It's very hard to consider skill in using powers, too. Blaze can be very powerful but I've written him as just learning to control his powers... Disaster Boy didn't have fine-motor control either, and Reflekto's just learning the full extent of hers.
Invisible Brainiac is powerful, but his creativity in using his powers might make him seem more powerful than he really is, as well.
Posted by Dev - Em on :
Exactly.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Just to clarify, but Pornis and Priapus are the same entity right?
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Just to clarify, but Pornis and Priapus are the same entity right?
Correct! 'Priapus' is his proper name, but at some point it got reinterpreted as 'Pornis' along the way, possibly intentionally to disguise his true history.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Thanks Lardy! Just got done reading your latest post. Now I'm really scared for our heroes!
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Gotta build the tension, Ibby! Posted by Lard Lad on :
I really didn't want to alternate between referring to him as 'Priapus' and 'Pornis' in these latest posts. So as steeped as these posts are in historical events and people who knew him by that name, I've stuck to 'Priapus' for the moment.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
It was clear enough from your posts, anyway Posted by Emily Sivana on :
I would like to know about the state of genetics in the 31st century. I know we have examples of cloning and splicing, but how common is that? Would genetic changes in human offspring (reducing/eliminating the chance of inheriting recessive genetic diseases) be approved of by society?
Posted by Everyday Girl on :
Ohmygod! So like Mr Cobie, is it like true that like you're a man of loose moral character when it comes to farm animals, women, and other junk like that? BUT, that you can be absolutely trusted when the fate of the like universe is on the line?
Cuz I say you're a slut and Gramps says you're a man of your word who puts the safety and security of others before his own.
We can't like both be right can we?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Yes. Yes you both can be right. Posted by Power Boy on :
What's the name of the Hykraisian (General? of the UP) during the 5YL?
any additional info on this guy?
Anyone? <crickets>
Tellus 2?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Hm. Sounds like a question for the Legion reference thread over in 'Long Live the Legion!'. Surely one of the LW gurus will know!
Posted by Future on :
Randomly, I think the Hykrian general was named Darios or something close to that.
Posted by Future on :
Admiral Darios! Ta da. Just looked it up, Peebs.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
:applause:
Posted by Power Boy on :
Thanks Future. It has been bugging me not knowing!
Posted by Viridis Lament on :
Question for anyone to answer for a little something I'm trying to work on....
Who, in your opinion, are the 10 most dastardly villians the LMB has ever faced?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I'd add that in recent years the worst of the worst villains have been:
The Red Bee (mega powerful villain with Joker personality) Phineas B. Fuddle (time manipulating genius) The Dark Lord / Pornis (Sauron meets the Emperor) Wyandotte (master manipulator) The Hive Queen The Evil Emperor Penguin (Rocky's evil Earth-4 dupcliate) Romaltus & Mala Elagabolus (evil Messiah-King of the Khanate, younger than most LMBers) Caracalla (the Pope meets master manipulater meets mega powerful) Angra Metternich (Chameleon Chief as a diplomat / cultist) Computer Tyrant (Computo but the amped up super-evil LMB version)
[ November 02, 2012, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Cobalt Kid ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Future: Admiral Darios! Ta da. Just looked it up, Peebs.
Fun fact: I always imagine him with Admiral Ackbar's voice!
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Wyandotte (mater manipulator)
Does this mean Wyandotte attacks us by manipulating our mothers... or manipulates us via mating?
Either way... shudder! Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Hm. All three interpretations are correct!
Posted by Viridis Lament on :
Excellent, thanks Cobie. Your list is pretty close to what I came up with of the top of my head. Anyone else who wants to chime in go ahead, it will be a bit before I can do this project, if I can even get it to work at all
Posted by Emily Sivana on :
The Tyrian hasn't faced the LMB as a whole yet, but I hope to make him into a major villain someday. The Tyrian would be a good villain to use. He uses pheromones to control people (like the Purple Man). He's a gangster who could rule the world if he wanted to, but he believes in his heart that money is the most powerful thing in the universe.
Posted by Everyday Girl on :
Ohmygod! I was like studying my Legion World History cuz there's a like big test next week and I like was wondering; is Loser Lad still married to Eric the Blue Moose?
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