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Oooh oooh oooh, two new questions.

First is, Ok we've had the list of the most powerful LMBPers, how about the list of the most powerful LMBP villains (either including LMBPers gone bad or not as the case may be).

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OK, this one I can kind of bang out really quick, and won’t give it the depth the other list had.

Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you’re worried I’m bored

Tie for #1: Anti-Moderator – Hands down has to be the most powerful (although tied!), and has shown time and time again why. Basically the LMB’s Anti-Moderator is the Anti-Monitor with the personality of a certain loathed moderator on the internet who I won’t mention by name. In the LMB’s past he’s done the following:

a) caused the deaths of at least six LMBers in the first ever “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, which destroyed the L* Board at the close of Year Two.

b) Destroyed the entire universe we knew as “The Remarkable Worlds of Phineas B. Fuddle” and a plethora of Alt IDs that lived there in Year Three.

c) Almost destroyed the LMB itself and the hero community at large during “LMB Lost” in the anti-matter universe, with his evil royal army, the Naturals. By far, this was the LMB at its lowest ever in its history.

d) Murdered the Emerald Empress and started the LMB: Infinite Crisis which led to one more of the greatest and worst LMB epics, including numerous deaths, injuries and scars on the LMB.

Essentially, he’s our biggest and greatest foe. So much so, that we really should not use him again, since he’s become our ‘go to guy’ for the most awful and powerful enemy in the most cosmic of crisis. Not to say these four Crisis have not been great, because they’re all favorites of mine, even the two I was not a part of. But he’s by far the strongest.

We also know he still must live, if our ‘Five Years Later’ continuity exists—since Lardy wrote out his final end! That’s a discussion for another day though…but like Lucy said in the MMB, there’s a big loophole for him to be alive.

Tie for #1: Ekron - Well, that is to say, tied for the strongest. In “Crisis on Earth-4!” EDE came up with the idea for a villain that surprisingly no one has really ever thought of before: Ekron himself! The ramifications were huge! A villain who exists outside the multiverse…so strong that his body parts and clothing were scattered throughout space/time/multiverse to ensure he could not be put back together. In the end of that story it took the cosmic team-up of the LMB and the SMB, as well as careful mystic planning by the Phantom Stranger to create a plan that could possibly stop him.
IMO, a great, great villain for one of my all-time favorite stories, and another villain I’d prefer never used again. When I picture him, I picture the cover to Crisis #12, with all the LMB and SMB fighting a gigantic Ekron, who towers over the universe and the Earths.

2) The Time Mouse Trapper – well, technically if it’s a tie for #1 we should go right to #3, but screw that.

The Time Mouse Trapper, of course, must be #2, given the very nature of his powers and existence, which is still debated by Legion fandom today. Well, at least his DCU counterpart, but the TMT is essentially the Time Trapper with a mouse body. While Lucien Lad slowly reveals the true nature of the Time Mouse Trapper, its apparent that he is much, much more powerful than most things that cross the LMB’s path, and he’s proven that time and time again. He’s battled the LMB countless times, before his most recent downfall in “The Ongoing Tag Thread” in the mini-story “The Great Cogaaad Saga”, where it was revealed that he is the alternate version of Lash that kept the Retcon powers (which Bevis will reveal if true or false). Before that though, he was responsible for rebooting the universe which led to a different timeline that introduced Princess Crujectra and Furball, and then most famously was behind the terrible attack of Year Three which resulted in Crujectra and Stu’s children being undone in continuity, as well as Amber & Beagz, Cobalt & Spacey and Cobalt’s child with the deceased Debauchery Damsel. This last battle ensured that all future battles with the TMT are much more personnel and full of hate on both sides (which is why the LMB left him abandoned alone and powerless at the end of time at the close of the “Great Cogaaad Saga”).

3) Pornis – It’s very hard to tell if Pornis is more powerful than the One Called the One or the other way around, which is the very nature of their struggle for mastery over the universe (similar to Mordru vs. Glorith in TMK). But Pornis is a villain with far-reaching powers, an innumerable army and one that has yet to ever be captured or defeated outright. His true plans for the world (once conquered) have never fully been revealed, as is the exact nature to his connection to Lardy, EDE and Lucifer Lass, although we all now believe they’re the children of Pornis an the One Called the One. If anything, “Hot Summer Nights”, “Doom of the Super-Heroes”, “The Omega Man Gambit” and “Super Jailhouse of Space” reveal that Pornis has enough power to battle all of the LMB—and win.

4) The One Called the One – like Pornis, her true power remains immeasurable, vague and mysterious, but its evident that she is extremely powerful. The war with Pornis and her own intentions for the world continue to be revealed to us slowly, all the while her power remains equally mysterious, as does her hold over Lucifer Lass and a plethora of other females willing to help her achieve her goals. Once again, one thing is evident above all else: she has enough power to battle all of the LMB—and win.

5) Entropy Spinach – The Entropy Spinach in and of itself is almost impossible to defeat and what it truly is remains, a common theme here, a mystery. We do know that it is entropy in some form and may have sentience, and that alone is a scary thought.

Hm, as I go through this, it becomes harder to decide where others fit in. Let me stop listing them by number at this point and give you the five next most powerful villains in LMB lore. You’ll notice some might be left out that never really had their personalities/powers explained in depth (i.e. Biegeseid)—that’s because of precisely that.

Whordru Potentially as strong as the LSH Mordru, albeit a female with a beard. As previously mentioned a few times in this thread, Whordru is finally getting the LMB treatment in Lardy’s current Onevision.

The Trumpeter – Virtually Earth-4’s Lex Luthor, the Trumpeter is powerful in the sense that we have no idea who or what is under his control at this point, and just exactly what he can do. Seen in “Crisis on Earth-4!”

Phineas B. Fuddle – Able to induce mass hallucinations and hysteria upon Legion World and turn Stu and the LMB against one another, it takes an immense amount of power that Phineas B. Fuddle must be able to harness.

Elagabolus – Still just a young boy, we know (as authors) that one day he will be the reason the LMB disbands in the first place. He is a nexus for chaotic magical energy that is used for death, decay and destruction, and is a force that arrives in the universe every few thousand years. Immeasurably strong, he is the LMB’s greatest failure, and is still only a 14 year old boy alone and afraid of himself. Seen in “Price of Security”.

The Devourer of Children – A being even the LMB Magic-Users all fear—even when united together. This creature enjoys eating and enjoying the essence of small children, particularly those with strange powers. He too is hard to gage in power, only that he exists in magical realms so strong most LMBers cannot comprehend them. Seen in “Price of Security” and “The Eight Impossible Space-Missions”.

Evilseid and the armies of Botoxalips – The first time Legion World ever stood on the brink of invasion, it was the masterful plot of Evilseid that almost brought it there, as his various warriors infiltrated and captured the LMB, including Ms. Grundy, the Quietly Twins and a host of others that almost brought the LMB to its knees.

The Red Bee – At first you might not think the Bee fits this high up on the list, but as of this point his powers still remain vague. We know he is undetectable through any means, including science and magic, but more importantly, his body uses some type of horrendous pain-inducing fluid that renders most people unable to move. By no means on par with Time Mouse Trapper, Ekron, etc., but possibly more powerful than we suspect. Last seen in ‘Villains United’ and ‘The Good, the Dark & the Dead Saga’ before that.

Lucifer Lass - She can find you anywhere she wants and drop a bed on your head instantly. She has underlings her do her bidding, and she has her own agenda that even the One Called the One and Pornis are unaware of. Is she evil? Does she have good intentions? We still don’t know…all we know is that she can take on masses of LMBers if she wants.

Salad-Tosser Lord – One of the LMB’s oldest enemies (the oldest continuity wise, if not created wise), Salad Tosser Lord isn’t the strongest of LMB villains, but he’s certainly able to hold the entire LMB at bay throughout its history.

Well, you can see that I added a bunch that might not make the top ten most powerful—but to be honest, we have a host of foes that are super-strong a la the Anti-Monitor and the Time Trapper, since, well, there’s like forty of us at all times. But I wanted to give credit to some other villains that have held off the entire LMB. Feel free to add others. I left a bunch off, but as you can see, I lied when I said I wouldn’t add any for being dastardly.

You can see that for almost all of them, there is still a large mystery and ambiguity to who they are what they can actually do, which is probably why we consider most of them so strong.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you're worried I'm bored

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I’ll get to all the big questions shortly and I think I’m going to answer a question of my own that I recently was wondering: what is the entire, exact list of dead LMBers? It’s more than you think…

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LMBers who have made the Ultimate Sacrifice

Year One
Food Maker Kid – Dweezil died in the middle of battle by catching on fire, rolling down a hill and then being eaten by a Super Moby Dick of Space. However, his spirit was kept alive and reborn in the body of Donna Troy, and the two beings merged with the Spectre to become the LMBP Spectre! Of course this only happened after Jar Jar Binks and Parallax were also driven out to become Jar Jarallax.

He was actually the first ever retconned in character to LMB lore, and was done so in the very first tag team thread, in a scene where one of the LMB stumbled upon “the statue of a fallen LMBer…FoodMaker Kid!”. After that, the above mentioned death (which I created—the person who created him has been forgotten, though I think it was one of the early year one posters who stopped posting soon after) was established, as well as the idea that he was a mentor to Beagle Boy (who, before having speed, had super-cooking powers). Later, during the Early Year One Road trips, the connection between him, Donna Troy and the Spectre came about on Titans World (see the Yahoo Group for the full details) in almost a surreal way—no one could have ever planned.

Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal – Another early LMB ally, this Honorary LMBer fought with them on a variety of missions before dying in battle early on. His sister, Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II carries on in his name and is also an Honorary LMBer.

KGSR, of course, is another retcon, only done so four years later in “Doom of the Super-Heroes”. The character was so well liked by the then prominent LMB authors (Lardy, Lash, Kippers and Eryk) that KGSR II gained a following among them and others.

Dazzle Lass The one true love of LardLad, she finally became an LMBer after fending off Whordru, only to be killed in secret by Mordra the Harlot, the first LMB traitor. It would be weeks before she was ever recovered, and it would bring only more pain.

Tsarin Kid – The major death of Year One is Tsarin Kid, whose death pretty much puts a close on Year One and starts Year Two (a very vague transition). Tsarin, of course, is Mystery Lad and is still with us today. During this era, he became fed up with DC’s Legion and treatment of Jan and left the boards for a bit, asking his character be retired and deceased. He later returned as Mystery Lad and rejoined the LMB shenanigans.

However, its become part of LMB lore that Founding LMBer Tsarin Lad died at the end of Year One, only to somehow come back as Mystery Lad (in a strangely different way) in Year Two. For the next three years he was an LMB ally until the move to Legion World where he finally rejoined the team. This is the major early death.

Year Two
Globe Girl – Previously stated in this thread, Globe Girl’s very existence was in question and her story came to an end in “The Never Ending tag Thread”. Or did it?

Almost all of the Year Two deaths take place in the first “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, which was essentially the end of the L* Board and the retiring of many alt IDs, as the LMB felt they were being kicked out of their home and sent to a new one. The Anti-Moderator was the villain. I know who they are alts of, but I won’t reveal on the off-chance that alts from five years ago still want to remain a secret

Foxy Roxy – a prominent LMBer throughout all of Year Two, Foxy Roxy met her end here in a heroic way. A later Foxy Roxy has appeared since, but we are unsure if this is the same one, a rebooted one or even Foxy Roxy II.

Lexbose – another prominent LMBer throughout Year Two.

Silicon Sandra – A member of the LMB throughout this period, she was also connected to Globe Girl, as above states.

Super Lad Kid – Lesser known member and lurker Super Lad Kid made the ultimate sacrifice here and wasn’t seen again for three whole years! But he was somehow rebooted and is the Super Lad Kid we know today.

Legion of Super-Holograms – Not necessarily members of the LMB, the LoSH were part of the inspiration to rebirth the LMB at the close of Year Two. They were: G. Stallion (hologram of Raging Bull), Piccard’s Sexy Grandson (hologram of Seahorse) and Brad Pitt’s Sexier Brother (hologram of Lost in Lust Lad aka Terrence).

Year Three
There are no LMB deaths in Year Three that I can think of. Prove me wrong!

Year Four
Cobalt Kid – For a long time, it was believed Cobalt Kid was among the deceased (not just a mission—a whole year). He was actually captured for a long time by Dr. Albert Hoffman, revealed in “The Tale of Dr. Albert Hoffman” and “The Tale of Cobalt and Spacey”.

Explosion Reversal Lad – Frankie Muniz became an LMBer in a yet unrevealed story, and was with them throughout “Hot Summer Nights” battling the One Called the One and Lucifer Lass. Sadly, he was killed during this epic struggle.

Gary Coleman – Gary Coleman too made the ultimate sacrifice battling Lucifer Lass and the One Called the One.

Bowels Bursting Boy – In the ‘Super Jailhouse of Space’ Bowels Bursting Boy, only an LMB applicant joined them and tried to help overcome Odran, Lisp Lass and others, and was able to save many of them by making the ultimate sacrifice. Following this adventure, he was made an Honorary LMBer post-posthumously.

Space Tart – As the LMB found themselves at odds with internal and external threats, Space Tart made the ultimate sacrifice to send the LMB to the anti-matter universe, although it cost her her life. This will be revealed in “Refugees” if EDE ever finishes it. She was saved, by Cobalt going back in time for her, in “Journeys and Destinies”.

Year Five
Giant Squid – Also not technically an LMBer, he was a denizen of Legion World and Alt ID that believed in the LMB, and he showed true heroism in the face of danger during “The Dark Stu Saga”, although he was killed by the Royal Inquisitor.

Year Six

High Priestess Viviane – Viviane was killed for a time by the Sorceress Morgause, only to finally be resurrected by her and Abin’s daughter Opal—but only when Opal paid the ultimate price.

Opal Jannel – the daughter of High Priestess Viviane, Opal made the ultimate sacrifice, knowing that if Morgause killed her the energies released would restore her mother to life, and thus did so to bring back The High Priestess Viviane.

Numf-El – Numf has technically at the end of ‘Dragons’, although the Ghost of Numf-El is still very much an active LMBer!

KinetixZoeGreen – A former member of the LMB, KZG had been away for some time, when The Sorceress Morgause attacked her without reason and murdered her during “The Good, The Dark & The Dead”.


Year Seven
The Emerald Empress – As stated earlier in this thread, heroic LMBer The Emerald Empress made the ultimate sacrifice in “Infinite Crisis” after showing us that we all have a hero inside.

Space Ranger – One of the noblest LMBers to ever serve, Space Ranger also passed away during Infinite Crisis, killed by the Red Bee, after single-handedly taking down all of the villains he’d assembled.

Other thoughts
- I always thought Faraway didn’t actually die in “Good, the Dark & the Dead” but was on the very brink of death for some time, only to be saved at literally the last minute by Pov’s pint?

Am I missing others?

Other noble sacrifices in LMB Lore
- Invisible Brainaic of Earth-4, murdered in ‘Crisis of Earth-4!’. Also, Loser Lad, Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad of Earth-4 are all deceased.

- Mean Old Hero, an older hero from a bygone era died in “The Legion of Message Board Super-Villains”.

- Past heroes, such as the LMB Experience and the first JSMBP met their own fates in various tales of their own.

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Heh heh, Lucifer Lass has one of the best powers ever.

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Once again, this is by most powerful, not by worst villain, or most dastardly, or hurt the LMB the worst. I have my own opinions on that and will post that list when one of you request that because you're worried I'm bored

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Cobie, in your opinion who are the worst villains, the most datardly villains and the villains that most hurt the LMBP?

Oh come one, if it wasn't me it was going to be the very next person to post...

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Will get to this

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LMBers who have made the Ultimate Sacrifice

Numf-El – Numf has technically at the end of ‘Dragons’, although the Ghost of Numf-El is still very much an active LMBer!

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Numfs brother , Sonnie, died in the same thread. I think he's maybe taken it personally, 'cos he hasn't posted since.

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Roger Moore, Samantha Fox and Dolly the Sheep – All members of LMB lore, introduced in Numf-El’s Onevision-like story in the “Ongoing Tag Thread”, who met Numf and Harbinger as they traveled through Scotland. After this adventure, LMB Adventures Magazine hired them all as part of their staff, which stems from Abin enjoying these characters so much, he added them to his interludes which involved Eddie Tor, Trixie, etc.

Am I missing more? I feel like I am, but I don’t have time to read through the timeline.

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