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Sci Cop Zoe would be cool! Imagine a telekinetic with kickass police training. Before she was terrorformed, Zoe was able to make shields and create glows. Too bad none of those really help against her current opponents :/
Btw, Peebz, after reading your vote in the tournament I got to thinking - I'd totally forgotten about Tyroc's other powers way way back. Now I think of him as a sound manipulator, period. Whoops.
Good point on Andromeda vs. Supergirl, too. I was thinking the same thing - in Adventure, they made a big deal of calling Mon-El the mightiest Legionnaire, so I always thought of him as just a little bit more powerful than Superboy...
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yeah, sci cop zoe was nice in Legion Worlds I think, they had her grow up. It seems like she's basically a powerful telekinetic.
I still go back and forth on that Tyroc battle ... I think Tyroc would beat Lightning Lad still but ... I wonder how much smarter Supergirl is than Andromeda since Supergirl has been shown to do all sorts of cool stunts with her powers.
Andy fought BION though.
If it wasn't the furnace stage, Duplicate Damsel could run rampant!
It would be interesting to do a last individual standing tournament, i think it would be roughly the same ...
Imra Zoe Tyroc Duplicate Damsel Kono
would all get far, it seems they're wining these group battles rather than the Daxxamites or Kryptonians. (from my experience)
It's hard to beat an opponent who could turn you intangible.
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we might need a tie breaker if no one else votes.
for the Andromeda verus Supergirl match.
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For future tournaments, I think a little more of a refresher/specification on what various characters can do might be a good idea.
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That might be a good idea. I want to say that I want to stay away from NuDCU versions of characters until we have enough issues to establish feats. I also need to know how much Pre-Crisis continuity is in the Retroboot, and how much is not canon. I need to know this because it is standard to disallow certain characters/feats because they are Pre-Crisis.
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Maybe for the last round, we can just agree among ourselves which powers/abilities are in play based on the versions of the characters.
PS, who would have thought Chlorophyll Kid would make it to the end? Whoo! Take that, snotty Adventure Era Legionnaires!
Garth vs. Imra would have been cool too, though.
Here are my thoughts...
Final Round
Team One
1) Kono - can shift mass around. Think Star Boy, Light Lass powers + Phantom Girl, except she can also phase others as well. On the other hand, she doesn't seem to be able objects as large as what Thom/Ayla could? Let's say her limit is about the mass of one person.
2) Supergirl - standard Kryptonian powers. Also adept at science.
3) Tyroc - sound manipulation, flight. Current version hasn't demonstrated the reality-warping versions of the old Tyroc.
Team Two
1) Saturn Girl - standard Imra. Extremely skilled telepath. Affect senses, shut down minds, limited control over another's actions.
2) Chlorophyll Kid - can grow plants. Glorithverse version could also control them I believe, but not sure if this one can. I'm leaning towards can't, or at least he only has limited control over their natural abilities (i.e. he can make plants release spores or swing vines around, but can't suddenly make roses shoot their thorns or make coconuts explode)
3) Duplicate Damsel - can make an infinite number of duplicates. I think all her duplicates are identical? Does each duplicate have greater strength or speed than a normal woman would? I think not right?
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Thanks IB, I was thinking along the same lines ...
I think I read before that Kono was limited to a large humanoid, IIRC, and if she has a weakness it's overconfidence, she once shifted Bion into the floor and thought she dealt with him and he nearly got the drop on her because surprise! he can phase like Tinya.
I kinda think that Postboot Imra is way more hardcore than even the badnass Retroboot Imra. She created a long term illusion of Tinya, and was shown to be blasting groups of people.
A couple points, I was confused about what a Retroboot Supergirl was .. but decided it didn't matter in the battle, Kara is still super fast. and I would prefer if Tyroc had at least some of his reality warping tricks, explained somehow, but ... he's still incredibly formidable with just his sound manipulation.
In my opinion, I wish they had said Lu could only create 60 or 100 duplicate ... infinite duplicates is crazy. She could take any team down almost but .. I just figure she needs some time to create duplicates ... it's not like *BAM instant infinite duplicates*
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I agree, Peebz! I've seen Postboot Imra take out way more combatants at a time than Retroboot Imra ever did.
As for Supergirl, I'm not sure if there are any differences. I do know that current Supergirl is said to less likely to hold back, because she's not as used to her powers.
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In terms of versions of characters, I tend to just go with the most consistent/popular iteration of each character, rather than when they were at their most powerful.
This will usually mean their preboot/retroboot version, rather than their postboot or threeboot versions.
So, for example, the Shrinking Violet in my battles will never have her growing power since - a) I hated her with that power; and b) she only had that power for a very short period of her character's history anyway.
For all the characters with inconsistent, deus ex-machina type powers I tend to just use those powers that they are most identified with (i.e. telekenetic manipulation for Kinetix, time-stasis for Kid Quantum II, sound shock-waves for Tyroc, etc).
The other reason I tend to stick with the preboot/retroboot versions of characters is that the postboot (as much as I loved it) unfortunately occurred during a time in history when lots of creators (and fans) seemed to think that characters weren't good enough unless they had their powers amplified.
So suddenly - Invisible Kid can make other people invisible too; Saturn Girl can control whole crowds of people at once; Shadow Lass can use her dark field like a Green Lantern ring; ditto Brainiac 5 with his force-field; Triplicate Girl is strong enough to take down a Daxamite; Kinetix and Kid Quantum II keep having random and unrelated powers added to their arsenals; and so on.
I am definitely not one of those people who think a character needs to be overly-powered to be interesting so I'm not keen on using short-lived, disproportionately powered (in relation to their teammates/opponents) versions of these characters in these games.
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I consider Retroboot Supergirl to be the Supergirl who debuted in Superman/Batman. She is not the same as the Pre-Crisis Supergirl in terms of feats and statistics; in general Pre-Crisis characters are ranked higher than Post-Crisis characters. Characters such as Pre-Crisis Superman are banned from standard Tournaments for that reason.
Should I continue using this thread for LSV Tournament planning or should I make a new one?
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We might as well continue using this thread.
Here's a bunch of villains (which others can probably add to):
Tharok Emerald Empress Mano Persuader Validus Caress Flare Mordecai Neutrax Silver Slasher Titania Lazon Mist Master Magno Lad Esper Lass Micro Lad Chameleon Kid Phantom Lad Calorie Queen Lightning Lord Cosmic King Saturn Queen Chameleon Chief Sun Emperor Beauty Blaze Echo Radiation Roy Spider Girl Nemesis Kid Ron-Karr Zymyr Hunter Tyr Ol-Vir Monster Master Nardo Universo Dr. Regulus Computo Size Lad Blackout Boy Magnetic Kid Alaktor Evillo Apollo Wild Huntsman Sugyn Hag Black Mace Mystelor Quanto Rogarth Shagrek Command Kid Dynamo Boy Mantis Morlo Meglaro Roxxas Satan Girl Starfinger Sun Woman Sunburst Uli Algor Grimbor Charma Dr. Mayavale Lady Memory Vyrkos Grinn Composite Man Tangleweb Repulse Abyss Brainstorm Twine Nadir Cortex Emerita Razorsoul Gangster Pollen Bronto Singularity Devil Canary Lantern Arrow Praetor Lemnos Elysion Gron Kynda Phren Zepha Stasi Earth-Man Eyeful Ethel Tusker Golden Boy Storm Boy
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my favorite Zoe is actually Sci Police Zoe. 
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AND mean guys like Tyr, Tharok. 
