quote:Originally posted by Chemical King: Sacrificing his wife for his "mother figure" probably would Freudian psychiatrists happy, but storywise, it just does not work.
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Well I had a feeling it was going to Spidey. Seems like after OMD Marvel is trying to get big names on Spidey. Congrats Barry.
With that said I can't go there. Not a fan of BND, etc. To be fair I wasn't collecting Spidey before. I would read my buddy's trades every once in a while.
Anyways, congrats again Barry. The preview pic looks great.
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Well, I'll be picking it up, so this is a treat for me. Can't wait to see your Spidey, Barry! The only other franchise that I'm as big a fan of as the Legion (probably more so to be honest) is Spider-Man!
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No serious Spidey-fan should go without reading this. It's an in-depth analysis of the Clone Saga by someone who sincerely thinks it has some worth, but who is not blind to its faults. The icing on the cake is:
- The DVD-style commentary by Glenn Greenberg, a spectator throughout the proceedings.
- The interviews with other people who were involved.
My thanks to Reboot for bringing this to my attention by posting a link to this in another thread.
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Yeah, that's a great link. I have another great Clone Saga link I just have to find (it used to be in my favorites back when I had my laptop, but I haven't taken the time to refind all my Spidey websites).
I just read the latest ASM arc with Zeb Wells and Bachalo, and it was actually pretty good! Definitely something 'different', but all in all a fun Spidey story with limited amounts of angst, which was very welcome. Usually Bachalo's work can be beyond distracting and I've never even heard of Zeb Wells until like two months ago.
All in all, and this is for about 90% of the Brand New Day relaunch, its been pretty fun and pretty well done! The problem of course was getting there with the horror that was 'One More Day' but the thrice-weekly relaunch is probably the best Spidey has been in awhile (probably since JMS first set of stories, though the tone is so different that its hard to really compare).
Still, I have no intentions of converting anyone to remain Spidey-faithful if One More Day caused them to drop Spidey forever. That's Marvel's job. I am enjoying everything so far with some minor complaints (and one major complaint--get Peter the HELL OUT OF AUNT MAY's HOUSE!!!!).
Also, all of this Jonah Jameson subplotting better lead to him being as omni-present as ever in Spidey's stories. He's more essential to Spider-Man than almost any supporting character to any series in comics history (akin to Alfred in Batman I'd argue).
From: If you don't want my peaches, honey... | Registered: Sep 2003
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So I’ve yammered on and on over the years about great links to Spider-Man websites I know about, especially lately with the Mary Jane thing, and I’ve at last taken some time to provide one. “Spider-Man kicks Butt” is a website that is highly opinionated and often I don’t agree with the blogger, but sometimes I find him 100% brilliant and dead-on. He also has an intense knowledge of Spider-Man minutiae that rivals my own.
To restate my own opinions on MJ, the Marriage and Brand New Day (As I feel they were misread by some): (1) I love Mary Jane – I can’t see how any really serious Spider-Man Fan could not. Gwen is my favorite, but I certainly don’t want her brought back—part of what I love about Peter/Gwen and MJ/Peter is the history of their development.
(2) I was not a fan of the Marriage to MJ initially (when I read it of course since it happened when I was like four), and didn’t think it was a good move for the series. But I still loved MJ
(3) I’m going to buy Spider-Man’s comics whether they kept the marriage or did something stupid
(4) I do think “undoing” something is usually a pretty stupid move in comics, even though I agree they backed the series into a corner in the last ten years prior
(5) I believe “One More Day” may be the single worst Spider-Man story ever written, including “Gathering of the Five”, “Maximum Carnage’ and a host of other crap. The one story that could be worse? “Sins Past”, which I’ll never forgive anyone for.
(6) I’m “kind of” enjoying the new series, and if I’m in a good mood can list what I like but if I’m in a bad mood, I can list why I think they have their heads up their asses on certain things. There are a few things that annoy me to no end, far more than the marriage situation (re: Peter as a loser).
[Edit] #7 - The major problem with Mary Jane after a period of time was making her a super-model and celebrity. *That's* where things went wrong in terms of a married Spider-Man.
Warning: these articles are incredibly thorough and long, which I why I personally enjoy them. It takes over a ½ hour to read each one if you really give it the time it deserves. They also appear very fair to me, and I think it’s the single best argument I’ve ever read why Mary Jane is the one for Peter and why the Marriage was so important to keep:
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Somebody at another board asked, "If Norman Osborn doesn't know who Spider-man is, WHO killed Gwen Stacy?"
Now the SPIDEY fans know how the LEGION fans felt all these years. (Thank YOU, Mike Carlin-- and Keith Giffen-- and Mark Waid... etc. etc.)
Maybe we can do this like TV GUIDE did it when Bobby Ewing turned up in the shower. (ALIVE! ALIVE!) They asked several famous writers for explanations. My favorite was from Stephen King, who said, "Bobby is still dead. He was brought back as a zombie..." I laughed, because DARK SHADOWS had actually used that exact plot once... (Maybe more than once, heh)
As new SPIDER-MAN holds no interest for me whatsoever, I think I'll just take a stab at it, for some perverse "fun".
Pete felt guilty about lying to Gwen all this time. He finally wanted to get married, but felt he wanted to be honest with her. So, in his guise as Spidey, he "kidnapped" her (the same way he'd "kidnapped" Peter Parker twice already right in front of Gwen-- heh) and swung around town with her, trying to to convince her "I DIDN'T KILL YOUR FATHER, DAMMIT!" in between her screaming. He got tired of lugging her all over, and finally took a breather... on top of the Brooklyn Bridge. (NOT George Washington Bridge-- somebody PLEASE get Gerry Conway a guide book to NYC!! Gil Kane had already drawn the art-- you CAN'T mistake those two bridges for one another unless your memory is as bad or worse than Stan Lee's.) He figured, up there, she can't get away, and she'll HAVE to listen. "WHY should I believe you???" she screamed. "Because..." He took off the mask. ("...I'm the guy who loves you!" In a state of SHOCK-- she stepped backwards, lost her footing, and FELL OF THE DAMN BRIDGE! Key up Kane-Romita art, exactly as before, "SNAP!" Only this time, it was ENTIRELY his fault. Imagine the GUILT!!! Oh, my-- HORRORS!!!!!
Hey, that can't be anything worse than marvel has actually published over the last 35 years...
"Part of the problem with the controversy behind One More Day is the understanding of what was retconned overstates the extent of what was done. Everything that happened in the last twenty plus years of comic book history happened! The only difference is that Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson weren't married. They still dated. They still lived together. They still love each other. They just weren't married. Judging from the letters and death threats we received, I think some people were confused. It all still happened. Here's my attitude, if anyone is upset about the marriage going away, then they must all be pro gay marriage. Because if you're pro gay marriage, you understand the distinction between a marriage and a civil union -- that a civil union is not equal to a marriage. We downgraded Mary Jane and Peter to a civil union. If that bothers you, then you're pro gay marriage."
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Not a fan of BND, etc. To be fair I wasn't collecting Spidey before. I would read my buddy's trades every once in a while.
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I am enjoying everything so far with some minor complaints (and one major complaint--get Peter the HELL OUT OF AUNT MAY's HOUSE!!!!).![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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