quote:Originally posted by Ken Arromdee: Luornu in Countdown/Legion of Three Worlds -- Countdown killed "Una", whose name and lack of powers implies that that was her last body. Legion of Three Worlds later showed a surviving Luornu who said she was Duo Damsel until a body died in the 21st Century (i.e. Countdown) meaning it was not her last body. (Countdown is notorious for mistakes to the extent that it's hardly part of continuity any more and this could just have been fixing a mistake.)
Actually, if I recall correctly, in the Supergirl tie-in to Countdown, Lu tells Kara that her other body is back in the 31st (I recall her telling someone that. Pretty sure it was Kara).
quote:Originally posted by Ken Arromdee: Supergirl -- Supergirl #52 revealed that Brainy still remembers Supergirl's death and probably most of her tenure with the Legion. He assumes the modern Supergirl is her (from before her death but after she joined the Legion) and blames Supergirl's lack of memory on Saturn Girl's post-hypnotic suggestion to forget the future. Whether the modern Supergirl is the same as the one who joined the PB/JB Legion and will die in our future is unknown and may be resolved in Supergirl Annual 2.
Also - Querl mentions (in thoughts) that he is carefully telling Kara only certain things, and behaving a certain way - based upon what she had told him of that very team-up.
that basically clinches that she is the same Kara he knew.
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quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: This may be a fairly minor, easily dealt with thing, but I noticed it when I was reading the issue:
Saturn Girl says something in this issue about never having been religious, but she and Garth baptized Graym on Titan in v3 #16.
that might have been simply bowing to family traditions. plenty of people go through the motions, especially for key life rituals, but don't consider themselves religious.
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As I suggested :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
a) She participates in religious customs, without considering herself particularly religious.
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Fun thread! Although we need someone to start a thread on the character aspects of the new Legion, just to balance the AR aspect of this thread!
On KK and Lu in JLA, JSA and Countdown: I think it was made pretty clear somewhere along the way that these two were somehow snatched out of time immediately prior to their deaths for their mission to the past, which is why, at the end of the Lightning Saga, they are forbidden to return to the future. The why and how of this seems iffy to me, although I guess you could argue that Val, at least, was critical to the Lightning Saga (catching Bart Allen in a bottle...rod) and Brainy wouldn't let a little thing like death get in the way of a mission (and the Legion was overtaxed and short-handed at that time because of the JLE thing).
Also, on the excellent Legion of Substitute Podcasters interview with Levitz, he's clear that we read too much into Imra's TK poses and claims about religion. He noted that he's Jewish but willingly participated in the baptism of his 3 kids into his wife's faith.
More annoying to me at the moment is the status of the Legionnaires' homeworlds and whether they are "aliens" or mutated human colonists. Saturn Girl refers to Titan as a "colony" in Legion #1 when a month earlier it was the resettlement site of the Lanothians.
-------------------- ...but you don't have a moment where you're sitting there staring at a table full of twenty-five characters with little name signs that say, "Hi, my superpower is confusing you!"
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quote:Originally posted by doublechinner: More annoying to me at the moment is the status of the Legionnaires' homeworlds and whether they are "aliens" or mutated human colonists. Saturn Girl refers to Titan as a "colony" in Legion #1 when a month earlier it was the resettlement site of the Lanothians.
I don't sweat stuff like this.
It could be as simple as that J'emm's people never let Titanians forget that they were not indigenous to Titan,
Or
The original Lanothian population was joined by a larger Earth colonist population, and blending over time retained a world-view that traced itslineage more to Earth than to Lanoth (or whatever that world was called),
Or
Within entrenched Lanothian culture, any settlement away from the homeworld is still thought of as a colony, and there is still yearning for an ancestral place that exists only in collective memory,
Or
any number of other things
This is a perfect example of why I myself prefer just to enjoy the story and not worry too much about little things like that. There are bound to be a few inconsistencies.
No character (Imra, or anyone else) is going to think of her own history the way her ancestors experienced it. There is always blurring into mythology over time; details are lost, parts are invented.
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quote:Originally posted by doublechinner: On KK and Lu in JLA, JSA and Countdown: I think it was made pretty clear somewhere along the way that these two were somehow snatched out of time immediately prior to their deaths for their mission to the past
But they died in Lightning Saga. How could they be snatched from before their deaths so that they could die in a different way?
Also, Luornu, at the point where she reveals she can split into a lot of bodies, makes a reference that sounds an awful lot like one of her bodies died in Countdown.
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quote:Originally posted by doublechinner: Also, on the excellent Legion of Substitute Podcasters interview with Levitz, he's clear that we read too much into Imra's TK poses and claims about religion. He noted that he's Jewish but willingly participated in the baptism of his 3 kids into his wife's faith.
More annoying to me at the moment is the status of the Legionnaires' homeworlds and whether they are "aliens" or mutated human colonists. Saturn Girl refers to Titan as a "colony" in Legion #1 when a month earlier it was the resettlement site of the Lanothians.
These two snippets, of course, tie together interestingly.
Winathians are now 'aliens' and not human colonists. Titanians are now 'aliens' and not human colonists.
Which of them is Catholic, again?
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There are any number of fun possibilities to resolve these discrepancies, but I doubt they would be worth a story. One could imagine, for instance, that at some point the Lanothians "convinced" themselves they were an Earth colony--maybe during a period when Earth was aggressive, or just really, really cool. It's not at all unusual for ethnic groups to have completely fictitious origin stories -- like the Romans with Aeneas, Romulus and Remus, the Romanians with the Dacians. And if anyone could pull off such self-deception, it's telepaths. Or, as you all point out, the Titanians may have always thought of themselves as a colony, a people displaced from their true home, and not necessarily welcome to the Saturnians.
As to the Catholicism thing, on word: Evangelism!
And the KK/Lu thing: I didn't mean to imply that the official explanation made ANY sense. I just repeated the official explanation. I gave up on Countdown a few issues in, and don't feel any need to defend it. The Lightning Saga is another matter, since it's important to the new book's backstory.
-------------------- ...but you don't have a moment where you're sitting there staring at a table full of twenty-five characters with little name signs that say, "Hi, my superpower is confusing you!"
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Do you have a reference and a quote for them having been snatched from the past? I don't have any issues of Countdown.
Of course, even with such a quote, it still makes no sense, because then they couldn't be killed off a second time.
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Added a line about Batman not recognizing Karate Kid in Countdown. Note: I don't have the issue myself so other people will need to confirm it.
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Added a reference to Saturn Queen, Echo, and Beauty Blaze being in Lo3W. This technically isn't something that happens offscreen, but it's sort of a special case.
I do need to know if and how we can be sure that those aren't alternate timeline versions, however. If they are, they don't count and Saturn Queen's first appearance is now, while we haven't seen the others at all.
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Changed the paragraph about reboot and threeboot crossovers--Action #864 establishes that at least some of them happened.
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