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I am completely befuddled by that cover. That Karate Kid is dead (Losh #4).
I would not like to see him retconned back into existence as it would completely ruin the Sensor Girl character that came after.
I loved Jeckie as Sensor Girl and thought that she was one of the strongest characters in the late Levitz run.
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Might not be so bad an adjustment. KK wouldn't be being retconned back into existence if he's from the Legion before his death. He simply wouldn't have died "yet." Similar to reading the ADV "adult legion" stories in which the statues told of someone that was to die. Didn't ruin any of the ADV era characters. Letting the readers know a character's future can be a great plot point and character developer, (as long as the writers don't try an weasel out of it).
I hope they don't try and hit the fanbase with yet another reboot Legion.... I wonder if they lost quite a few more than they reclaimed after the last reboot, even with a name writer and artist.
As much as I love the pre-Crisis, pre-Mordroverse Legion, If they're going to change versions, I agree with at least one other that wrote, using the Legion at the end of DnA's run, neglecting the last four issues before WaK might make for the easiest to understand transition, but they hardly ever go for "easiest to understand." LoL
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From: East Toledo | Registered: Jul 2003
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I have a baaaad feeling about this. The pre-Crisis stories are the only unsullied and sacrosanct things left of the original Legion, now it appears they plan to screw them up, too.
Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy in an old Karate Kid costume doesn't make him the original Karate Kid if a big, important chunk of his pre-Crisis history has been rewritten, overwritten or rewound. I'd rather have a thousand reboots than see something like that happen.
From: Reimagined Trom | Registered: Jul 2003
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One thing is for sure: They will do SOMETHING with the Pre-Crisis Legion because otherwise they would not "easteregg" so many old Legionnaires like Dreamy and Val all over the DCverse.
So the question is no longer "if" but "how" they will bring back the good old times. Right now, comic book buyers - not kids anymore, but mostly twenty- and thirtysomethings with a huge love for the nostalgia part of comics - seem to be very keen on getting "old school" stuff with new school storywriting, see JLA and JSA and Green Lantern. So TPTB obviously try to milk the nostalgia cow, at the same time giving the Legion oldtimers like me what they are clamoring for since 1994 - bring back the old continuity!
Now it is clear that there is no "logical" or "believable" way to do this anyhow, cause the old continuity was very complicated and hard to access for new readers. Still, the old continuity survived for over 30 years whereas the Reboot "Archie" Legion - which was started to solve all continuity trouble - had managed to totally screw up its own continuity AGAIN by doing mindless time travel crossovers and totally crappy Darkseid maneuvers... so certainly there won't be a return to the Reboot Legion.
So how will it all happen? Though I think that the Magic Wars time would be the most logical returning point, it seems that the more "nostalgic" moment to go back would be around #300, with Blok, Witchy and Jacques being the new guys, the costumes being bringht and colourful and the "what happened before" story not being much more than what every comic reader can easily look up in the good old "Secrets of the Legion" mini. So it would be easy to reprint that mini, add some stuff about Darkseid and Computo and jump on the old continuity (with GEORGE PEREZ as the artist ) after playfully hinting at it for maybe some further year, using Countdown, the JSA and JLA to slowly let the idea slip.
I am not totally happy with kind of loosing all the stories after #300 - heck, the Legion of Supervillains storyline of Universo Project are among my alltime favorites - but hey, I have lost them once before and now I'm (MAYBE) getting a lot of those old stories back again? I'm in. But I'm a nostalgic oldtimer. Will this book sell? Legion v.5 or v.6 (how far are we?)? Will it make more money than Waids desperate attempt to tell a story?
Considering the current streams on the market, I think it will - and therefore, DC will do it. Welcome back, you heroes of my childhood - I missed you so much!
From: Bamberg, Germany | Registered: Feb 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Tromium: Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy in an old Karate Kid costume doesn't make him the original Karate Kid if a big, important chunk of his pre-Crisis history has been rewritten, overwritten or rewound.
The "art" is for the cover only. KK has a strong thick neck based on the interior art...see examples in this thread.
Personally, I've always thought the best Legion would be one started from a popular part of Legion history (I picked LSH #300, too.) and going from there. No rewrites. Just ignore the crap since. Having some of the gems (Gates, living Lyle, etc.) be sprinkled into the future adventures to make everyone feel included.
From: San Diego, CA | Registered: Jul 2003
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Tromium is right. I kinda think all the fans venerate the pre-boot LSH precisely because they couldn't have it.
Once they bring it back the potential to mess it up is so great. And I know Meltzer and Johns love the bronze age DCU. Remember how much Meltzer loved the satellite JLA?
I thought Identity Crisis was a good comic story but just remember the stories that they'll be telling are not from the Bronze Age DCU.
So I don't want to hear any complaints when Zaryan rapes Triplicate Girl in the upside down rocket ship causing Saturn Girl to mindwipe the entire team. Of course this causes Brainiac 5 to become really unhinged so he builds this huge invisible fortress in the sky to spy on and neutralize his teammates if necessary.
Nah what kind of hack story is that, couldn't happen.
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy
You just described every one of Coipel's characters (except Monstress).
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Hmm... I also agree with Tromium that we should be skeptical of what's going to happen in regards to these Legion appearances. Given the direction of the current DCU, I'm not sure I want the classic Legion sullied by being made a part of it. Meltzer and Johns especially scare me, because they seem to be the leaders in the trend of "Let's revert everything back to 1983 but with lots more sex and gore".
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Welp...cat's out of the bag! With KK, Dream Girl & Star Boy in what appears to be the 21st century, and with Dawnstar's fringe making a cameo...color me confused as to how evertything ties together...
By the way, how could Batman's computer figure out that KK's from the 31st century? Tachyons?
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From: Manila, The Philippines | Registered: Jul 2003
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Maybe this *is* the WaK Legion, but it all takes place before Legion of Super-Heroes #1?? The team was already formed when the title started. Maybe the Starboy we know took on the other Starboy's name after he disappeared (are they both named Thom Kallor? Then he second one could be Thom Jr...) , Dawnstar used to be a member and KK used to wear that outfit and had a jaunt in the 31st century. Maybe this team's original inspiration is the JSA?
Questions abound...
From: New York, NY | Registered: Jul 2003
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Can anybody tell me in which exact issues the appearances of Dawny, Dreamy and Star Boy (not Stary) took place? I managed to get JSA ##3-4 via Ebay and the newer issues via my regular shop - what else do I have to get for my AR collection ?
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Dawnstar's arm was in #1. Starman has been in all the issues so far, and I believe he's said or done something Legion-related in all of them except maybe one (and that one is #3 or #4). Dream Girl was in #4, I think.
quote:Maybe this *is* the WaK Legion, but it all takes place before Legion of Super-Heroes #1?? The team was already formed when the title started. Maybe the Starboy we know took on the other Starboy's name after he disappeared (are they both named Thom Kallor? Then he second one could be Thom Jr...) , Dawnstar used to be a member and KK used to wear that outfit and had a jaunt in the 31st century. Maybe this team's original inspiration is the JSA?
I doubt it. There are just too many things that'd have to be explained away. First of all, both Star Boys are named Thom Kallor, but they don't resemble each other. Dream Girl and Dawnstar (and Karate Kid) all look like their Levitz-era versions, and not like the threeboot-era versions. Starman made references to Color Kid and Kenz Nuhor. It's just too much.
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I can't see how this JLA/JSA/Legion crossover is anything but a plan to re-reboot the Legion back to a Levitz era time. It's why I have pretty much lost interest in the current SG & Legion storyline. Just as Gail Simone's four parter at the end of DnA (which I really enjoyed) was rendered insignificant by the Waid reboot, the next final issues of the current Legion will be of no consequence in the next DC/Legion order.
I believe DC has just given up on any strict continuity of stories and characters over a long period of time. While they are indeed reviving elements from stories past (Silver Age gems), they are focused on making quality stories for the here and now, and reviving characters from the dead, contradicting relationships and general histories are secondary to this end (too much work for the editors and writers to keep straight).
Apparently, we readers respond best to the "quick-hitter" stories. It doesn't matter whether five or ten years ago Jeckie was dating T-Wolf or Karate Kid, or whether Karate Kid died or not, or if Jeckie was born a human or snake, or if she became Sensor Girl or not, etc. The writers have license to pick up wherever they deem necessary to sell a comic.
This can make for some good story telling for readers who take it day by day, but could be irritating/confusing for consistency buffs.
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